I've been thinking about that video game / addiction article ever since desc posted it and I haven't had time to catch up with chat but I did see some refutation of it as a generalization
which, ok fine
but after having spent all day yesterday playing a f2p ARPG while on opiates and then after they wore off I had a few beers
it's making me reconsider things
(granted the opiates were because I was in a ton of pain most of the day)
the marriage of opiates + anything with grinding is fucking nuts
and I'm sure adderall I just have less experience
not that I'm breaking new ground here
edit - what game?
also by grinding I guess I mean leveling up at all, in case that's not clear. be it the skill/worker leveling the article describes or just simply button clicking to move numbers up.
give me just enough cake that the frosting has something to smash into while I chew it
yeah
just like that
I'm all for weight loss and good health but I legit roll my eyes when people say they don't like sweet things. you hate frosting SURE BRO!.
to be clear, I both believe you and roll my eyes. the former is because I know people are different, the latter is a defense of my own tastes and impulses. I know this. but the eyes still roll.
I am, God help me, in agreement with Spool here. F frosting. I remove it from any cake served to me. I cannot, in my adult/teen life, remember thinking "my, this frosting made this cake more enjoyable!" Hell, my favorite kind of cake is probably yellow-cake with cinnamon-sugar sprinkled on top.
:whistle: some folks like icing, some folks like cake :whistle:
Now God help me for remembering a line from a Jimmy Buffet song... :?
Too late, you're obligated to write in ghost-Reagan in Nov now
<looks at current Republican field>
<looks at Reagan's tomb @ his library>
<looks back at the current R field one more time>
<shrug>
I feel like this could be worse. Reagan's Ghost it is.
the argument it is hiding information for the sake of hiding information is an unpersuasive one, since it applies to not having your opponents cooldowns displayed or other information that you could conceivably have access to
My argument is hidden information is hidden information, and should not be displayed, but information which is not hidden should be displayed in the most user friendly way possible. Enemy mana in DOTA 2 fulfills neither of those goals.
It's the equivalent of people concealing their hand sizes in card games where that is public information, except in this case it is bad UI doing it, and not a specific human at a specific time.
but you could have a cooldown tracker - it isn't hidden information.
i'm not always sure when something is off cooldown (because they could have used it in fog) but if I see them use it, i know it's on cooldown for however many seconds, and the game could display that for me.
likewise, the game could have a big UI thing tracking whether or not an enemy is in lane or fog of war (maybe even tracking last known location!), but instead the game expects you to use the minimap
the game could have a big indicator come up whenever an opponent comes into vision with a new item in their inventory, but instead that information is tucked away on some other screen and they expect you to track it
the game could put in networth/GPM trackers but instead expects you to eyeball it from the available information you have...
one of the skills the game asks of you is paying attention to and tracking information.
My point is mana is treated differently than cooldowns. The game will tell you the mana of any enemy you can see at any time, with no guesswork on your part at all, you just need to go through unnecessary and cumbersome clicking to get it. Cooldowns are never displayed at all.
Half of those are bad UI design, though. The item one in particular. If enemy inventory is public information, it should be easy to access and use. If it is private information, it should be truly hidden.
DOTA2 consistently fails to give players the information they are entitled to have in a good format. Again, just like people stacking their hand in a single pile in a game where hand size is public information, so you have to ask 20 times in a game, "How many cards do you have in your hand?" Compare this to Blizzard's Hearthstone UI, which is just excellent. A player's actions might surprise you, but you'll never have a case where you say, "Oh, I didn't think they had 6 mana and 4 cards in their hands!"
entitled to have....good one...nerds
Heh. It gets deep in the weeds of design, but it matters a lot what information you decide to communicate, and how. I think there's magnitudes of order better and worse implementations in video games in that regard. Things like character silhouettes, indicating debuffs visually, 1:1 equipment display (i.e. you can visually tell how powerful someone is by looking at their in-game sword), UI design, etc, etc.
I think a surprising number of video games actually have kinda shitty design, it's just that they are inherently fun base concepts so they get away with it. Warframe, which I mentioned positively, is a brilliant example of god awful design in many ways. The mod system is super fun in some ways, but there's not even a modest correlation between costs and benefits, and a substantial portion of all mods are useless, and some are outright worse than nothing at all if you aren't careful, and it's not because they are trying to reward "good decisions" but because they have 3 years of content and do large passes to infrequently and generally to only a single system at once. Every iteration of the game is better, which is awesome, but it still has Speed Holster (increase holster/unholster speed for weapons, which will never, ever matter in any circumstances) vs. Rifle Amp (+27% damage to all primary weapons in your party. Stacks with itself), for example.
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Reagan was terrible
don't forget that the Iran Contra was technically high treason
give me just enough cake that the frosting has something to smash into while I chew it
yeah
just like that
I'm all for weight loss and good health but I legit roll my eyes when people say they don't like sweet things. you hate frosting SURE BRO!.
to be clear, I both believe you and roll my eyes. the former is because I know people are different, the latter is a defense of my own tastes and impulses. I know this. but the eyes still roll.
I am, God help me, in agreement with Spool here. F frosting. I remove it from any cake served to me. I cannot, in my adult/teen life, remember thinking "my, this frosting made this cake more enjoyable!" Hell, my favorite kind of cake is probably yellow-cake with cinnamon-sugar sprinkled on top.
:whistle: some folks like icing, some folks like cake :whistle:
Now God help me for remembering a line from a Jimmy Buffet song... :?
Too late, you're obligated to write in ghost-Reagan in Nov now
<looks at current Republican field>
<looks at Reagan's tomb @ his library>
<looks back at the current R field one more time>
<shrug>
I feel like this could be worse. Reagan's Ghost it is.
That was literally my thought process making the joke, it's not like Spool is going to vote for Trump
Some days Blue wonders why anyone ever bothered making numbers so small; other days she supposes even infinity needs to start somewhere.
chocolate is fine if it's dark, 70-75% cacao is best. sea salt or chile chocolate are even better
I only like sweet potato fries if they're nice and crispy, most places fuck them up. Park Burger does them right. sweet potato tots are terrible since they have an insufficient surface ratio
the only time I like added sugar in pretty much anything is with alcohol, and even then it's just a little bit
but every now and then I will demolish some kind of decadent dessert and really enjoy it. every couple of months, maybe
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I would just like to say that I had a great personal success.
A lady at work had a little kid with her. He immediately gravitated towards my desk and shelf with its gundams and justice leagues. He was fascinated. And I totally did good. Like I talked with him about robots and shit and it was ok.
I'm worse than Captain Picard when it comes to kids, so this was a great accomplishment for me.
butthurt used to mean like being all mad because you lost a match or whatever
now it's more like you're all mad because things aren't going your way
but that original meaning is why it's relating to having your butt kicked
you don't think it's important that the game means nothing? like, stop being mad at something silly and/or get better noob. but either way I feel like the fact taht it's not really an important thing you're getting mad at is part of it.
I've been thinking about that video game / addiction article ever since desc posted it and I haven't had time to catch up with chat but I did see some refutation of it as a generalization
which, ok fine
but after having spent all day yesterday playing a f2p ARPG while on opiates and then after they wore off I had a few beers
it's making me reconsider things
(granted the opiates were because I was in a ton of pain most of the day)
Chat has moved on
Grab your musket and choose a side in the sweet potato fry civil war
chocolate is fine if it's dark, 70-75% cacao is best. sea salt or chile chocolate are even better
I only like sweet potato fries if they're nice and crispy, most places fuck them up. Park Burger does them right. sweet potato tots are terrible since they have an insufficient surface ratio
the only time I like added sugar in pretty much anything is with alcohol, and even then it's just a little bit
but every now and then I will demolish some kind of decadent dessert and really enjoy it. every couple of months, maybe
I've got like....a nega sweet tooth. I hate sweet desserts but love sweet-tasting dinners and stuff. bonus points if its someting spicy and sweet. Jalpeno pineapple is perfection
I would just like to say that I had a great personal success.
A lady at work had a little kid with her. He immediately gravitated towards my desk and shelf with its gundams and justice leagues. He was fascinated. And I totally did good. Like I talked with him about robots and shit and it was ok.
I'm worse than Captain Picard when it comes to kids, so this was a great accomplishment for me.
yes but captain picard was never a kid. He came out of the womb fully grown
don't forget that the Iran Contra was technically high treason
Yes, yes, but if I'm now obligated to vote for his ghost...
I mean, I'll vote for the thing that ain't happenin' (zombies!) over Ted "I'm Only Here Until Jesus Fucks All You Sinners Up" Cruz or Donald "Lil' Hands Mussolini" Trump.
butthurt used to mean like being all mad because you lost a match or whatever
now it's more like you're all mad because things aren't going your way
but that original meaning is why it's relating to having your butt kicked
you don't think it's important that the game means nothing? like, stop being mad at something silly and/or get better noob. but either way I feel like the fact taht it's not really an important thing you're getting mad at is part of it.
idk vari u seem p butthurt about this
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butthurt used to mean like being all mad because you lost a match or whatever
now it's more like you're all mad because things aren't going your way
but that original meaning is why it's relating to having your butt kicked
you don't think it's important that the game means nothing? like, stop being mad at something silly and/or get better noob. but either way I feel like the fact taht it's not really an important thing you're getting mad at is part of it.
I've been thinking about that video game / addiction article ever since desc posted it and I haven't had time to catch up with chat but I did see some refutation of it as a generalization
which, ok fine
but after having spent all day yesterday playing a f2p ARPG while on opiates and then after they wore off I had a few beers
it's making me reconsider things
(granted the opiates were because I was in a ton of pain most of the day)
the marriage of opiates + anything with grinding is fucking nuts
and I'm sure adderall I just have less experience
not that I'm breaking new ground here
edit - what game?
also by grinding I guess I mean leveling up at all, in case that's not clear. be it the skill/worker leveling the article describes or just simply button clicking to move numbers up.
Path of Exile. it's the best ARPG I've ever played and also the best f2p game I've ever played.
It's a difficult game but once you've played it enough you can kind of zone out while leveling up. hardcore mode keeps it interesting.
@Fuzzy Cumulonimbus Cloud
Yes after some thought I want a subject matter expert to 'consult' and lend credibility and then another industry-ish partner to make a device for us that we could deliver as a prototype instead of just an algorithm that would go into the device. TOO BAD IT IS MARCH 28TH AND THE NIH SBIR DEADLINE IS APRIL 4th SO HOW AM I SUPPOSED TO GET THESE PEOPLE.
--it's also way weird that you need these consultants even on SBIRs as opposed to like R01 grants or whatever, but I totally believe it.
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I've been thinking about that video game / addiction article ever since desc posted it and I haven't had time to catch up with chat but I did see some refutation of it as a generalization
which, ok fine
but after having spent all day yesterday playing a f2p ARPG while on opiates and then after they wore off I had a few beers
it's making me reconsider things
(granted the opiates were because I was in a ton of pain most of the day)
Chat has moved on
Grab your musket and choose a side in the sweet potato fry civil war
I'm on team sweet potato fries
anyone who is not on team sweet potato fries is an animal, and a freak, and marked for death
The idea of making Inject Larva an auto-cast makes me scoff with such derision that the masochist in the office across the street got an erection and doesn't know why.
Filthy fucking casuals.
It should be, though. It's a non-decision. Might as well make workers only do a single ore run and then stop for further instructions.
I've been thinking about that video game / addiction article ever since desc posted it and I haven't had time to catch up with chat but I did see some refutation of it as a generalization
which, ok fine
but after having spent all day yesterday playing a f2p ARPG while on opiates and then after they wore off I had a few beers
it's making me reconsider things
(granted the opiates were because I was in a ton of pain most of the day)
Chat has moved on
Grab your musket and choose a side in the sweet potato fry civil war
Sw..eet potatoes dipped in ketchup or horseradish mayonnaise
I mostly get onion rings now because most places make fries super matchstick thin or the sweet potato fries the cross hatch style, both shapes I dislike.
Because also, the stuff that some guy would consult on is exactly the sort of stuff that I'm actually trained to do as a structural biology/biophysics PhD, and is not very important to the project's outcome. But my credibility is low cause I've never gotten fellowships and only have one paper, so I can't go on the grant.
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the marriage of opiates + anything with grinding is fucking nuts
and I'm sure adderall I just have less experience
not that I'm breaking new ground here
edit - what game?
also by grinding I guess I mean leveling up at all, in case that's not clear. be it the skill/worker leveling the article describes or just simply button clicking to move numbers up.
Actually upon reflection, the most infuriating insults are the ones where you are fabulous and you flip your hair around.
Based entirely off of GF's ability to enrage motorists
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1OLcAGbXhWIVcl5IziVpG0eKFJS3xi_Sac9kYMkRFvD8/edit?usp=sharing
Two chocolate chip cookies with a half inch of buttercream between them
<looks at current Republican field>
<looks at Reagan's tomb @ his library>
<looks back at the current R field one more time>
<shrug>
I feel like this could be worse. Reagan's Ghost it is.
Heh. It gets deep in the weeds of design, but it matters a lot what information you decide to communicate, and how. I think there's magnitudes of order better and worse implementations in video games in that regard. Things like character silhouettes, indicating debuffs visually, 1:1 equipment display (i.e. you can visually tell how powerful someone is by looking at their in-game sword), UI design, etc, etc.
I think a surprising number of video games actually have kinda shitty design, it's just that they are inherently fun base concepts so they get away with it. Warframe, which I mentioned positively, is a brilliant example of god awful design in many ways. The mod system is super fun in some ways, but there's not even a modest correlation between costs and benefits, and a substantial portion of all mods are useless, and some are outright worse than nothing at all if you aren't careful, and it's not because they are trying to reward "good decisions" but because they have 3 years of content and do large passes to infrequently and generally to only a single system at once. Every iteration of the game is better, which is awesome, but it still has Speed Holster (increase holster/unholster speed for weapons, which will never, ever matter in any circumstances) vs. Rifle Amp (+27% damage to all primary weapons in your party. Stacks with itself), for example.
don't forget that the Iran Contra was technically high treason
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i already solved the mystery
i'm old enough to remember a time when people didn't use the word butthurt yet
That was literally my thought process making the joke, it's not like Spool is going to vote for Trump
chocolate is fine if it's dark, 70-75% cacao is best. sea salt or chile chocolate are even better
I only like sweet potato fries if they're nice and crispy, most places fuck them up. Park Burger does them right. sweet potato tots are terrible since they have an insufficient surface ratio
the only time I like added sugar in pretty much anything is with alcohol, and even then it's just a little bit
but every now and then I will demolish some kind of decadent dessert and really enjoy it. every couple of months, maybe
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don't push so hard
i keep trying to tell you guys
OH-PEE-ATES
OH-PEE-ATES
yeahhhhhhhh
A lady at work had a little kid with her. He immediately gravitated towards my desk and shelf with its gundams and justice leagues. He was fascinated. And I totally did good. Like I talked with him about robots and shit and it was ok.
I'm worse than Captain Picard when it comes to kids, so this was a great accomplishment for me.
you don't think it's important that the game means nothing? like, stop being mad at something silly and/or get better noob. but either way I feel like the fact taht it's not really an important thing you're getting mad at is part of it.
Chat has moved on
Grab your musket and choose a side in the sweet potato fry civil war
I've got like....a nega sweet tooth. I hate sweet desserts but love sweet-tasting dinners and stuff. bonus points if its someting spicy and sweet. Jalpeno pineapple is perfection
yes but captain picard was never a kid. He came out of the womb fully grown
Yes, yes, but if I'm now obligated to vote for his ghost...
I mean, I'll vote for the thing that ain't happenin' (zombies!) over Ted "I'm Only Here Until Jesus Fucks All You Sinners Up" Cruz or Donald "Lil' Hands Mussolini" Trump.
idk vari u seem p butthurt about this
it's been an evolving definition
it does sort of imply that now, yeah
Path of Exile. it's the best ARPG I've ever played and also the best f2p game I've ever played.
It's a difficult game but once you've played it enough you can kind of zone out while leveling up. hardcore mode keeps it interesting.
In particular the very nice presenter nodding politely as he explains the construction of the bike he's using in a torrent of broad Yorkshire
I've only ever heard it in Training Day
Yes after some thought I want a subject matter expert to 'consult' and lend credibility and then another industry-ish partner to make a device for us that we could deliver as a prototype instead of just an algorithm that would go into the device. TOO BAD IT IS MARCH 28TH AND THE NIH SBIR DEADLINE IS APRIL 4th SO HOW AM I SUPPOSED TO GET THESE PEOPLE.
--it's also way weird that you need these consultants even on SBIRs as opposed to like R01 grants or whatever, but I totally believe it.
I'm on team sweet potato fries
anyone who is not on team sweet potato fries is an animal, and a freak, and marked for death
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It should be, though. It's a non-decision. Might as well make workers only do a single ore run and then stop for further instructions.
Sw..eet potatoes dipped in ketchup or horseradish mayonnaise
or just anything
actually
sweet potato fries-chan
i've been out of the game too long
ugh yeah that one's terrible
Listen
Someone get me a tub of icing, and no one is going to get hurt
I'm not saying someone WILL get hurt if I DON'T get icing
But I can't predict a future that doesn't include me being given a tub of icing
Okay
my mom only buys thin, butt-sandpaper toilet paper
When I went home this weekend it was just like
maman
maman y
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but how else will i let out my impotent rage
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