My view of the republican party at this point is very low. Even before Trump sundered them further, the whole Tea Party thing split them into "People who care only about money and don't care about anyone else" and "People who only care about religion and don't care about anyone else" that might be a bit oversimplified but its how they seem to act to me.
Marty: The future, it's where you're going? Doc: That's right, twenty five years into the future. I've always dreamed on seeing the future, looking beyond my years, seeing the progress of mankind. I'll also be able to see who wins the next twenty-five world series.
Have you guys seen these videos of groups of people going into Target with bibles and walking around the store yelling about how shopping there is supporting sin? I kind of wish one would happen out here so I can follow behind them with a bell shouting "SHAME" as they go.
For the last two months Sanders' campaign has become increasingly nasty to the point it's now actively fueling paranoia through peddling falsehoods, demonizing others, and refusing to take responsibility for its actions. In the meantime Hillary's basically pivoted to the general and left Sanders to his own devices so there isn't much if anything her campaign is actively doing to incite shitty behavior like his is. Feeling broken and disillusioned by having the person you support(ed) choose to take the low road makes perfect sense, especially if part of the reason why you supported him in the first place was due to him taking the high road early in the primary.
Arguing to not vote for Sanders on potential cases of really poor behavior isn't really great coming from Clinton supporters, of which I am one, cause occasionally she makes really terrible decisions. I understand that Sanders' personal integrity is like half of his whole thing but, you know, important to look at this one particular instant in a larger context. Sanders still seems like a pretty alright guy who's either personally made some poor decisions or trusts people who are making some really poor decisions in regards to running his campaign.
@Bucketman I'm sorry to say but this is what happens in any competitive primary season. Clinton supporters insulting Sanders supporters, Sanders supporters insulting Clinton supporters... both campaigns mixing both legitimate complains with often fraudulent accusations... that's politics! The only time you don't get really nasty primaries is when you have a sitting president or one clearly overwhelmingly strong contender. (Which comes with its own problems.)
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After the bullshit in Nevada and how the Sanders campaign blatantly lied in their response about it while ignoring the death threats their supporters are issuing I'd question someone still supporting him at this point.
Oh cool. That's really super rad.
I'm sorry when his campaign lies to their delegates, lies about why those delegates were disqualified, and then doesn't say anything about the death threats his supporters are making toward a DNC chair that's crap and if you support that well you either aren't paying attention or your willing to ignore some shitty behavior in a lost cause campaign. Bernie can't win, but his group sure as hell wants to damage the democratic brand.
Cool cool cool.
If you would, please point out where the political ideology I hold states that I support the actions being undertaken by those idiots.
Obviously I am disappointed that the Sanders campaign is not doing more to distance itself from and rebuke those shitstains, but that doesn't change what I believe in.
Apparently that is cause to question my morals and ethics?
After the bullshit in Nevada and how the Sanders campaign blatantly lied in their response about it while ignoring the death threats their supporters are issuing I'd question someone still supporting him at this point.
Oh cool. That's really super rad.
I'm sorry when his campaign lies to their delegates, lies about why those delegates were disqualified, and then doesn't say anything about the death threats his supporters are making toward a DNC chair that's crap and if you support that well you either aren't paying attention or your willing to ignore some shitty behavior in a lost cause campaign. Bernie can't win, but his group sure as hell wants to damage the democratic brand.
Cool cool cool.
If you would, please point out where the political ideology I hold states that I support the actions being undertaken by those idiots.
Obviously I am disappointed that the Sanders campaign is not doing more to distance itself from and rebuke those shitstains, but that doesn't change what I believe in.
Apparently that is cause to question my morals and ethics?
Awesome.
I didn't realize that Bernie Sanders was an ideology. I thought he was a man.
I don't see where I questioned your moral or ethics? I question supporting Sanders with how he's running. If you have to invent a reason to be upset than you aren't arguing honestly.
I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
Someone could 100% agree with 100% of Bernie's policy positions as originally stated and refuse to continue supporting him. One argument for doing that would be that his recent campaign decisions are doing more harm than good, tainting those positions and making them harder to achieve. Another would be that while your ideology has remained the same, Sanders's has shifted in the past months to no longer align with yours.
After the bullshit in Nevada and how the Sanders campaign blatantly lied in their response about it while ignoring the death threats their supporters are issuing I'd question someone still supporting him at this point.
Oh cool. That's really super rad.
I'm sorry when his campaign lies to their delegates, lies about why those delegates were disqualified, and then doesn't say anything about the death threats his supporters are making toward a DNC chair that's crap and if you support that well you either aren't paying attention or your willing to ignore some shitty behavior in a lost cause campaign. Bernie can't win, but his group sure as hell wants to damage the democratic brand.
Cool cool cool.
If you would, please point out where the political ideology I hold states that I support the actions being undertaken by those idiots.
Obviously I am disappointed that the Sanders campaign is not doing more to distance itself from and rebuke those shitstains, but that doesn't change what I believe in.
Apparently that is cause to question my morals and ethics?
Awesome.
I didn't realize that Bernie Sanders was an ideology. I thought he was a man.
That's what separates him and Trump
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After the bullshit in Nevada and how the Sanders campaign blatantly lied in their response about it while ignoring the death threats their supporters are issuing I'd question someone still supporting him at this point.
Oh cool. That's really super rad.
I'm sorry when his campaign lies to their delegates, lies about why those delegates were disqualified, and then doesn't say anything about the death threats his supporters are making toward a DNC chair that's crap and if you support that well you either aren't paying attention or your willing to ignore some shitty behavior in a lost cause campaign. Bernie can't win, but his group sure as hell wants to damage the democratic brand.
Cool cool cool.
If you would, please point out where the political ideology I hold states that I support the actions being undertaken by those idiots.
Obviously I am disappointed that the Sanders campaign is not doing more to distance itself from and rebuke those shitstains, but that doesn't change what I believe in.
Apparently that is cause to question my morals and ethics?
Awesome.
I didn't realize that Bernie Sanders was an ideology. I thought he was a man.
That's what separates him and Trump
That and the tiny, baby fingers.
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My community college history teacher was pretty amazing. At the start of the class he told us if by the end if anyone could guess his political affiliation by the end of the class and support the claim with evidence we would get extra credit. By the end of the class I didn't have the foggiest what his personal beliefs were.
The entire class was looking at historical events, and then looking and firsthand and secondhand accounts of the events, and then us putting forth conclusions and supporting them with those accounts. If we could support our claims we'd get good marks, otherwise, not so much. It was a fantastic class.
My one stand-up memory of any history teacher was when in high school the teacher had the class do a mock trial of the My Lai Massacre, and the jury in that class aquitted Calley of all charges
I don't think I heard anyone yell that loud for a long time afterqards
okay more details needed
Little more than 11 years ago so the details escape me, but it boiled down to:
Class of privileged white kids + general deferment to Authority + a very particular emphasis of those two traits in the jury + healthy does of teenage apathy and ignorance of general history = a rational, patient, kindly old man of a teacher getting the angriest i have seen a teacher get in my life
What made it even more odd was the previous trial - the Pullman case against Eugene Debs - went really well!
late, but
I once got a classroom full of Hampshire College students to vote "guilty" during a mock trial of the Rosenbergs
After the bullshit in Nevada and how the Sanders campaign blatantly lied in their response about it while ignoring the death threats their supporters are issuing I'd question someone still supporting him at this point.
Oh cool. That's really super rad.
I'm sorry when his campaign lies to their delegates, lies about why those delegates were disqualified, and then doesn't say anything about the death threats his supporters are making toward a DNC chair that's crap and if you support that well you either aren't paying attention or your willing to ignore some shitty behavior in a lost cause campaign. Bernie can't win, but his group sure as hell wants to damage the democratic brand.
Cool cool cool.
If you would, please point out where the political ideology I hold states that I support the actions being undertaken by those idiots.
Obviously I am disappointed that the Sanders campaign is not doing more to distance itself from and rebuke those shitstains, but that doesn't change what I believe in.
Apparently that is cause to question my morals and ethics?
Awesome.
The campaign fomented what happened in Nevada. They did this by consistently lying to their supporters about how the campaign was being attacked by the "corrupt establishment" rigging things to deny them a fair vote - which was especially ridiculous in Nevada, where they were angry that their attempt to subvert the actual caucus vote was being disrupted. And in response, Nevada Democratic officials have been receiving death threats, and having their workplaces attacked. And when asked about his supporters doing this, Sanders left a question and answer session rather than respond, and then his campaign released an incredibly offensive response that regurgitated many of the lies that provoked the matter in the first place while not addressing the incredibly poor response by his followers.
After all that, a number of us are questioning why you'd support a candidate who would be willing to lie to his followers about this in such a way to get them genuinely angry in such a way that it would provoke them to violence and death threats.
After the bullshit in Nevada and how the Sanders campaign blatantly lied in their response about it while ignoring the death threats their supporters are issuing I'd question someone still supporting him at this point.
Oh cool. That's really super rad.
I'm sorry when his campaign lies to their delegates, lies about why those delegates were disqualified, and then doesn't say anything about the death threats his supporters are making toward a DNC chair that's crap and if you support that well you either aren't paying attention or your willing to ignore some shitty behavior in a lost cause campaign. Bernie can't win, but his group sure as hell wants to damage the democratic brand.
Cool cool cool.
If you would, please point out where the political ideology I hold states that I support the actions being undertaken by those idiots.
Obviously I am disappointed that the Sanders campaign is not doing more to distance itself from and rebuke those shitstains, but that doesn't change what I believe in.
Apparently that is cause to question my morals and ethics?
Awesome.
The campaign fomented what happened in Nevada. They did this by consistently lying to their supporters about how the campaign was being attacked by the "corrupt establishment" rigging things to deny them a fair vote - which was especially ridiculous in Nevada, where they were angry that their attempt to subvert the actual caucus vote was being disrupted. And in response, Nevada Democratic officials have been receiving death threats, and having their workplaces attacked. And when asked about his supporters doing this, Sanders left a question and answer session rather than respond, and then his campaign released an incredibly offensive response that regurgitated many of the lies that provoked the matter in the first place while not addressing the incredibly poor response by his followers.
After all that, a number of us are questioning why you'd support a candidate who would be willing to lie to his followers about this in such a way to get them genuinely angry in such a way that it would provoke them to violence and death threats.
I don't feel at all provoked to violence and death threats. Am I doing it wrong?
Marty: The future, it's where you're going? Doc: That's right, twenty five years into the future. I've always dreamed on seeing the future, looking beyond my years, seeing the progress of mankind. I'll also be able to see who wins the next twenty-five world series.
After the bullshit in Nevada and how the Sanders campaign blatantly lied in their response about it while ignoring the death threats their supporters are issuing I'd question someone still supporting him at this point.
Oh cool. That's really super rad.
I'm sorry when his campaign lies to their delegates, lies about why those delegates were disqualified, and then doesn't say anything about the death threats his supporters are making toward a DNC chair that's crap and if you support that well you either aren't paying attention or your willing to ignore some shitty behavior in a lost cause campaign. Bernie can't win, but his group sure as hell wants to damage the democratic brand.
Cool cool cool.
If you would, please point out where the political ideology I hold states that I support the actions being undertaken by those idiots.
Obviously I am disappointed that the Sanders campaign is not doing more to distance itself from and rebuke those shitstains, but that doesn't change what I believe in.
Apparently that is cause to question my morals and ethics?
Awesome.
The campaign fomented what happened in Nevada. They did this by consistently lying to their supporters about how the campaign was being attacked by the "corrupt establishment" rigging things to deny them a fair vote - which was especially ridiculous in Nevada, where they were angry that their attempt to subvert the actual caucus vote was being disrupted. And in response, Nevada Democratic officials have been receiving death threats, and having their workplaces attacked. And when asked about his supporters doing this, Sanders left a question and answer session rather than respond, and then his campaign released an incredibly offensive response that regurgitated many of the lies that provoked the matter in the first place while not addressing the incredibly poor response by his followers.
After all that, a number of us are questioning why you'd support a candidate who would be willing to lie to his followers about this in such a way to get them genuinely angry in such a way that it would provoke them to violence and death threats.
I don't feel at all provoked to violence and death threats. Am I doing it wrong?
I'll give it a week or so, and if Sanders doesn't tell his crazypants constituents to knock it off, I guess I'll break a window or something
Marty: The future, it's where you're going? Doc: That's right, twenty five years into the future. I've always dreamed on seeing the future, looking beyond my years, seeing the progress of mankind. I'll also be able to see who wins the next twenty-five world series.
Ya know, I am a Bernie supporter but I have always said if it was between Hillary and Trump I would vote Hillary in a heartbeat because she might be a liar, a cheat, and well...a politician ass politician but at least thats normal, thats the system and I can handle us being in a stalemate for 8 years I guess. But I am starting to get messages on Tumblr and Facebook from Hillary supporters saying that if I continue to support Bernie I am betraying america and blah blah blah and arguing with Trump supporting family...I honestly just don't care anymore. This Election cycle has broken me.
would bernie somehow break the stalemate if he was president?
If he had a congress backing him up sure. Even if we got a fully democrat congress I don't feel Hillary would move on much that would really effect the sphere of my life, except maybe and hopefully better rights for LGBT folks.
I'm just burned out, no pun intended, because somehow just for supporting someone I believe in I am suddenly a bad guy from both Democrats and Republicans. I'm "entitled" and "whiney" and "live in a dream world". And it exhausts me. I got really excited about politics back in 2008, the first presidential election I could vote in, I got excited by politics, I got into local and state elections and started reading up on it. But this election has exhausted me. I can't get excited by more of the same, or biggots or the guy I support making dumb decisions. I can see the link between Trump and his supporters since he eggs them on, or at least did. I don't see Bernie or Hillary egging their supporters into the shitty behavior they are exhibiting but they, mostly Sanders, are being held responsible. I dunno its weird this is the straw that breaks me but it is. I am suddenly more and more exhaused every time I hear about the election now.
look, it's a democracy
but you're only allowed to vote for the candidate I like
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Tommy2Handswhat is this where am iRegistered Userregular
Ya know, I am a Bernie supporter but I have always said if it was between Hillary and Trump I would vote Hillary in a heartbeat because she might be a liar, a cheat, and well...a politician ass politician but at least thats normal, thats the system and I can handle us being in a stalemate for 8 years I guess. But I am starting to get messages on Tumblr and Facebook from Hillary supporters saying that if I continue to support Bernie I am betraying america and blah blah blah and arguing with Trump supporting family...I honestly just don't care anymore. This Election cycle has broken me.
would bernie somehow break the stalemate if he was president?
If he had a congress backing him up sure. Even if we got a fully democrat congress I don't feel Hillary would move on much that would really effect the sphere of my life, except maybe and hopefully better rights for LGBT folks.
I'm just burned out, no pun intended, because somehow just for supporting someone I believe in I am suddenly a bad guy from both Democrats and Republicans. I'm "entitled" and "whiney" and "live in a dream world". And it exhausts me. I got really excited about politics back in 2008, the first presidential election I could vote in, I got excited by politics, I got into local and state elections and started reading up on it. But this election has exhausted me. I can't get excited by more of the same, or biggots or the guy I support making dumb decisions. I can see the link between Trump and his supporters since he eggs them on, or at least did. I don't see Bernie or Hillary egging their supporters into the shitty behavior they are exhibiting but they, mostly Sanders, are being held responsible. I dunno its weird this is the straw that breaks me but it is. I am suddenly more and more exhaused every time I hear about the election now.
look, it's a democracy
but you're only allowed to vote for the candidate I like
whatever just gimme the sticker
Marty: The future, it's where you're going? Doc: That's right, twenty five years into the future. I've always dreamed on seeing the future, looking beyond my years, seeing the progress of mankind. I'll also be able to see who wins the next twenty-five world series.
Ya know, I am a Bernie supporter but I have always said if it was between Hillary and Trump I would vote Hillary in a heartbeat because she might be a liar, a cheat, and well...a politician ass politician but at least thats normal, thats the system and I can handle us being in a stalemate for 8 years I guess. But I am starting to get messages on Tumblr and Facebook from Hillary supporters saying that if I continue to support Bernie I am betraying america and blah blah blah and arguing with Trump supporting family...I honestly just don't care anymore. This Election cycle has broken me.
would bernie somehow break the stalemate if he was president?
If he had a congress backing him up sure. Even if we got a fully democrat congress I don't feel Hillary would move on much that would really effect the sphere of my life, except maybe and hopefully better rights for LGBT folks.
I'm just burned out, no pun intended, because somehow just for supporting someone I believe in I am suddenly a bad guy from both Democrats and Republicans. I'm "entitled" and "whiney" and "live in a dream world". And it exhausts me. I got really excited about politics back in 2008, the first presidential election I could vote in, I got excited by politics, I got into local and state elections and started reading up on it. But this election has exhausted me. I can't get excited by more of the same, or biggots or the guy I support making dumb decisions. I can see the link between Trump and his supporters since he eggs them on, or at least did. I don't see Bernie or Hillary egging their supporters into the shitty behavior they are exhibiting but they, mostly Sanders, are being held responsible. I dunno its weird this is the straw that breaks me but it is. I am suddenly more and more exhaused every time I hear about the election now.
look, it's a democracy
but you're only allowed to vote for the candidate I like
After the bullshit in Nevada and how the Sanders campaign blatantly lied in their response about it while ignoring the death threats their supporters are issuing I'd question someone still supporting him at this point.
Oh cool. That's really super rad.
I'm sorry when his campaign lies to their delegates, lies about why those delegates were disqualified, and then doesn't say anything about the death threats his supporters are making toward a DNC chair that's crap and if you support that well you either aren't paying attention or your willing to ignore some shitty behavior in a lost cause campaign. Bernie can't win, but his group sure as hell wants to damage the democratic brand.
Cool cool cool.
If you would, please point out where the political ideology I hold states that I support the actions being undertaken by those idiots.
Obviously I am disappointed that the Sanders campaign is not doing more to distance itself from and rebuke those shitstains, but that doesn't change what I believe in.
Apparently that is cause to question my morals and ethics?
Awesome.
I didn't realize that Bernie Sanders was an ideology. I thought he was a man.
Please point out where I stated that my political ideology is Bernie Sanders, instead of democratic socialism.
I support Sanders because his policies align most closely with my ideology out of all the candidates, not because I like his supporters more than other candidates supporters.
Which is apparently enough to call my principles into question?
Ya know, I am a Bernie supporter but I have always said if it was between Hillary and Trump I would vote Hillary in a heartbeat because she might be a liar, a cheat, and well...a politician ass politician but at least thats normal, thats the system and I can handle us being in a stalemate for 8 years I guess. But I am starting to get messages on Tumblr and Facebook from Hillary supporters saying that if I continue to support Bernie I am betraying america and blah blah blah and arguing with Trump supporting family...I honestly just don't care anymore. This Election cycle has broken me.
would bernie somehow break the stalemate if he was president?
If he had a congress backing him up sure. Even if we got a fully democrat congress I don't feel Hillary would move on much that would really effect the sphere of my life, except maybe and hopefully better rights for LGBT folks.
I'm just burned out, no pun intended, because somehow just for supporting someone I believe in I am suddenly a bad guy from both Democrats and Republicans. I'm "entitled" and "whiney" and "live in a dream world". And it exhausts me. I got really excited about politics back in 2008, the first presidential election I could vote in, I got excited by politics, I got into local and state elections and started reading up on it. But this election has exhausted me. I can't get excited by more of the same, or biggots or the guy I support making dumb decisions. I can see the link between Trump and his supporters since he eggs them on, or at least did. I don't see Bernie or Hillary egging their supporters into the shitty behavior they are exhibiting but they, mostly Sanders, are being held responsible. I dunno its weird this is the straw that breaks me but it is. I am suddenly more and more exhaused every time I hear about the election now.
look, it's a democracy
but you're only allowed to vote for the candidate I like
whatever just gimme the sticker
When I voted in the Primary they had so many stickers. And when the girl handed my my clipboard and said where to go I just looked and the roll and she sighed and said "You just want a sticker don't you?" 'Yes Mam'
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Well the echo-chamber grown story that Sanders isn't denouncing these doxxers hard enough (which, sure) so therefore CLEARLY the most liberal senator in the country endorses sexist harassment and all the supporters who share his views do too going on in here sure is gross and disappointing.
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I would tell stories of my high-school history teacher but you've likely heard them.
And ya know, him being an Almost Sunny in Philadelphia kind of monster-person.
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Der Waffle MousBlame this on the misfortune of your birth.New Yark, New Yark.Registered Userregular
Well the echo-chamber grown story that Sanders isn't denouncing these doxxers hard enough (which, sure) so therefore CLEARLY the most liberal senator in the country endorses sexist harassment and all the supporters who share his views do too going on in here sure is gross and disappointing.
what does being "the most liberal senator in the country" have to do with any of that, though
Well the echo-chamber grown story that Sanders isn't denouncing these doxxers hard enough (which, sure) so therefore CLEARLY the most liberal senator in the country endorses sexist harassment and all the supporters who share his views do too going on in here sure is gross and disappointing.
Yeah that's what this is, we just can't see the truth about a man whose campaign lies to his supporters and refuses to denounce what they are doing to the Nevada chair of the party he's vying for the nomination of. I mean he totally didn't run away from that question today during a presser. Nope he's bravely standing on the sidelines while his supporters harass a woman over his own campaigns lies.
But we're the ones in an echo chamber. Right.
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I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
Well the echo-chamber grown story that Sanders isn't denouncing these doxxers hard enough (which, sure) so therefore CLEARLY the most liberal senator in the country endorses sexist harassment and all the supporters who share his views do too going on in here sure is gross and disappointing.
So, have you read his campaign response to what happened? He started off with his stump speech, barely touched on the threats made by his supporters to the Nevada Democratic Party chair, immediately pivoted to a completely unrelated incident that happened to his office, and then immediately regurgitated the lies that helped foment the whole thing, like the 58 delegates removed "unjustly", who weren't even in attendance. In comparison, here's the response by Lucy Flores, the Nevada Congressional candidate that Sanders supports:
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE:
May 16, 2016 Contact: 702-437-0587 | info@lucyflores.com
STATEMENT ON NEVADA DEMOCRATIC CONVENTION
LAS VEGAS, NV –“I understand and share the frustration that many progressives in Nevada feel, but there were actions over the weekend and at the Democratic convention that very clearly crossed the line. Progressives need to speak out against those: making threats against someone’s life, defacing private property, and hurling vulgar language at our female leaders. Regardless of whether you agree with the leadership of our Chairwoman Roberta Lange, under NO CIRCUMSTANCES do her actions warrant being harassed, insulted with misogynistic vulgarities and or threatened in any way.
So yes, the fact that Sanders has not only not clearly and unambiguously denounced the threats and attacks on Lange, but continues to support the lies that fomented them has a lot of us disgusted with him. It is "gross and disappointing" that Sanders refuses to take responsibility now that the fire he's been playing with has gotten people burnt.
Well the echo-chamber grown story that Sanders isn't denouncing these doxxers hard enough (which, sure) so therefore CLEARLY the most liberal senator in the country endorses sexist harassment and all the supporters who share his views do too going on in here sure is gross and disappointing.
Yeah that's what this is, we just can't see the truth about a man whose campaign lies to his supporters and refuses to denounce what they are doing to the Nevada chair of the party he's vying for the nomination of. I mean he totally didn't run away from that question today during a presser. Nope he's bravely standing on the sidelines while his supporters harass a woman over his own campaigns lies.
But we're the ones in an echo chamber. Right.
I feel like you miiiiiight not be arguing in good faith.
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Did Sanders supporters personally do something to you
As a uninvolved onlooker to this conversation you seem to have an unmitigated amount of vitriol on this subject
i'm not preacher, but i did have a sanders supporter vaguebook in my direction this weekend. they suggested that i didn't care about the country and that i should just renounce my citizenship because i support Hillary.
I'm not vitriolic as Preacher, but i'm kind of done with that person at the least.
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I absolutely agree with this. Its an awful practice that ruins lives.
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@Bucketman I'm sorry to say but this is what happens in any competitive primary season. Clinton supporters insulting Sanders supporters, Sanders supporters insulting Clinton supporters... both campaigns mixing both legitimate complains with often fraudulent accusations... that's politics! The only time you don't get really nasty primaries is when you have a sitting president or one clearly overwhelmingly strong contender. (Which comes with its own problems.)
Cool cool cool.
If you would, please point out where the political ideology I hold states that I support the actions being undertaken by those idiots.
Obviously I am disappointed that the Sanders campaign is not doing more to distance itself from and rebuke those shitstains, but that doesn't change what I believe in.
Apparently that is cause to question my morals and ethics?
Awesome.
I didn't realize that Bernie Sanders was an ideology. I thought he was a man.
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That's what separates him and Trump
Doc: That's right, twenty five years into the future. I've always dreamed on seeing the future, looking beyond my years, seeing the progress of mankind. I'll also be able to see who wins the next twenty-five world series.
That and the tiny, baby fingers.
late, but
I once got a classroom full of Hampshire College students to vote "guilty" during a mock trial of the Rosenbergs
that felt....
Good... But, bad.
He now needs to win each remaining state by 35%
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The campaign fomented what happened in Nevada. They did this by consistently lying to their supporters about how the campaign was being attacked by the "corrupt establishment" rigging things to deny them a fair vote - which was especially ridiculous in Nevada, where they were angry that their attempt to subvert the actual caucus vote was being disrupted. And in response, Nevada Democratic officials have been receiving death threats, and having their workplaces attacked. And when asked about his supporters doing this, Sanders left a question and answer session rather than respond, and then his campaign released an incredibly offensive response that regurgitated many of the lies that provoked the matter in the first place while not addressing the incredibly poor response by his followers.
After all that, a number of us are questioning why you'd support a candidate who would be willing to lie to his followers about this in such a way to get them genuinely angry in such a way that it would provoke them to violence and death threats.
I don't feel at all provoked to violence and death threats. Am I doing it wrong?
Doc: That's right, twenty five years into the future. I've always dreamed on seeing the future, looking beyond my years, seeing the progress of mankind. I'll also be able to see who wins the next twenty-five world series.
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Doc: That's right, twenty five years into the future. I've always dreamed on seeing the future, looking beyond my years, seeing the progress of mankind. I'll also be able to see who wins the next twenty-five world series.
look, it's a democracy
but you're only allowed to vote for the candidate I like
Twitch (I stream most days of the week)
Twitter (mean leftist discourse)
whatever just gimme the sticker
Doc: That's right, twenty five years into the future. I've always dreamed on seeing the future, looking beyond my years, seeing the progress of mankind. I'll also be able to see who wins the next twenty-five world series.
with a government! and voting!
you know what, scrap the voting.
Please point out where I stated that my political ideology is Bernie Sanders, instead of democratic socialism.
I support Sanders because his policies align most closely with my ideology out of all the candidates, not because I like his supporters more than other candidates supporters.
Which is apparently enough to call my principles into question?
That is what I was responding to.
When I voted in the Primary they had so many stickers. And when the girl handed my my clipboard and said where to go I just looked and the roll and she sighed and said "You just want a sticker don't you?" 'Yes Mam'
I love that sticker.
And ya know, him being an Almost Sunny in Philadelphia kind of monster-person.
what does being "the most liberal senator in the country" have to do with any of that, though
Yeah that's what this is, we just can't see the truth about a man whose campaign lies to his supporters and refuses to denounce what they are doing to the Nevada chair of the party he's vying for the nomination of. I mean he totally didn't run away from that question today during a presser. Nope he's bravely standing on the sidelines while his supporters harass a woman over his own campaigns lies.
But we're the ones in an echo chamber. Right.
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Did Sanders supporters personally do something to you
As a uninvolved onlooker to this conversation you seem to have an unmitigated amount of vitriol on this subject
I don't think I got through
Twitch (I stream most days of the week)
Twitter (mean leftist discourse)
my google-fu is, apparently, not up to snuff
So, have you read his campaign response to what happened? He started off with his stump speech, barely touched on the threats made by his supporters to the Nevada Democratic Party chair, immediately pivoted to a completely unrelated incident that happened to his office, and then immediately regurgitated the lies that helped foment the whole thing, like the 58 delegates removed "unjustly", who weren't even in attendance. In comparison, here's the response by Lucy Flores, the Nevada Congressional candidate that Sanders supports:
So yes, the fact that Sanders has not only not clearly and unambiguously denounced the threats and attacks on Lange, but continues to support the lies that fomented them has a lot of us disgusted with him. It is "gross and disappointing" that Sanders refuses to take responsibility now that the fire he's been playing with has gotten people burnt.
I feel like you miiiiiight not be arguing in good faith.
i'm not preacher, but i did have a sanders supporter vaguebook in my direction this weekend. they suggested that i didn't care about the country and that i should just renounce my citizenship because i support Hillary.
I'm not vitriolic as Preacher, but i'm kind of done with that person at the least.
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