I can't help but assume the worst out of every relaunch
Take the Cap title away from Sam, give Thor back to Odinson, Hulk back to Bruce, Wolverine's alive again
I mean
Every relaunch/line addition they have had since the original Marvel Now has been pretty great for the most part?
All-New Marvel introduced Ms. Marvel and Loki: Agent of Asgard and Inhuman
And Avengers Now had FalCap and Jane Thor
And ANAD Marvel has been largely excellent
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OH MY GOD YOU GUYS
This week's Ms. Marvel is a tri-state science fair, with Kamala and Bruno leading the team from New Jersey, and Miles and Ganke leading the team from New York
This week's Ms. Marvel is a tri-state science fair, with Kamala and Bruno leading the team from New Jersey, and Miles and Ganke leading the team from New York
oh my god
What's the third state and are they just completely screwed then?
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This week's Ms. Marvel is a tri-state science fair, with Kamala and Bruno leading the team from New Jersey, and Miles and Ganke leading the team from New York
oh my god
What's the third state and are they just completely screwed then?
Connecticut and they're trying to rules lawyer their way to victory
This week's Ms. Marvel is a tri-state science fair, with Kamala and Bruno leading the team from New Jersey, and Miles and Ganke leading the team from New York
oh my god
What's the third state and are they just completely screwed then?
Connecticut and they're trying to rules lawyer their way to victory
Boo!
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“Issue 2 will lay a lot of our cards on the table in terms of what the new status quo is, but the one thing we can say unequivocally is: This is not a clone, not an imposter, not mind control, not someone else acting through Steve. This really is Steve Rogers, Captain America himself.”
“His mission is to further the goals and beliefs of Hydra. If that involves taking down the Marvel universe, sure. (But) it may not be as simple as that. It’s not like he’s exchanged his white hat for a black hat — it’s a green hat."
He also confirms Steve is an undercover operative and has been for years and that the next issue will go to some "scary and shocking places".
This week's Ms. Marvel is a tri-state science fair, with Kamala and Bruno leading the team from New Jersey, and Miles and Ganke leading the team from New York
oh my god
What's the third state and are they just completely screwed then?
Connecticut and they're trying to rules lawyer their way to victory
I haven't read the comic yet either so like Ed I have no clue what everyone is yelling about until I click the spoiler above. I'm tempted not to as at the moment this is really amusing and I'm sure as soon as I click on the spoiler I'll go into Ragemode since Cap is one of my favourite superheroes.
If Steve is apparently willing to bring down the Marvel Universe to further his Hydra's goals then I have a hard time buying killing a dude he barely knows in a very easily deniable way is a bridge too far for him
I'd just like to remind everyone that Brevoort loves to say things that are technically true but are extremely misleading, and sometimes he just outright lies.
Remember how he said that Age of Ultron was absolutely not an alternate future story?
I'd just like to remind everyone that Brevoort loves to say things that are technically true but are extremely misleading, and sometimes he just outright lies.
Remember how he said that Age of Ultron was absolutely not an alternate future story?
Spencer is saying the same exact things though.
Like they absolutely could be lying through their teeth (because he already did about what this book is really about and admits that) but why should we assume they are when this is a being treated like a big huge shocker that deserves EW and USA Today interviews.
Either they're total assholes and going for cheap controversy buys in a way Marvel hasn't done in a while or they are telling the truth and everything that Spencer says sounds like the latter.
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But Steve Rogers is a Very Important Character to me, on a personal level, and short of Brevoort and Spencer lying out the ass and the whole premise being bullshit, which I wouldn't Like anyways because that is sloppy storytelling and cheap, even if the story is well written it is such a fundamental change to what I love and find important about Steve Rogers that I don't care.
Like I've said, anyone else who is into it and interested, more power to you, I am strictly speaking about my personal views.
I dunno, while "wait and see where this goes" is certainly a valid approach to take, it's not the only valid one. There is absolutely nothing wrong with being sold a premise and saying "no sir I am not buying that and I frankly can't believe you thought that was a good product to sell or that I would be interested in it". No one should have to use the damn thing for a thirty day trial before deciding whether they like it and no one should have to read multiple issues of a story whose premise is unappealing before deciding they don't like it. It's the job of the pitch to convince people to read a thing and if people decide they don't like it, well, that's either on the pitch or the story, not them.
Brevoort says this adds a Hitchcockian element to the series whenever Steve is with other heroes as you know he is Hydra and has his own agenda but they don't and that covers are somewhat misleading.
Steve is shown trying to be a mediator in Civil War 2 between Tony and Carol
He is totally secretly instigating shit and making it worse between them so Hydra can gain a more stable foothold or something in the chaos
Well, they already lied by saying it was a simple fun adventure comic
Yeah, which is why I said they could totally be lying again now
But lying about the premise of the book and then lying again to national media about the real premise just seems so convoluted and stupid that I have a hard time seeing either of them do it.
Brevoort says this adds a Hitchcockian element to the series whenever Steve is with other heroes as you know he is Hydra and has his own agenda but they don't and that covers are somewhat misleading.
Steve is shown trying to be a mediator in Civil War 2 between Tony and Carol
He is totally secretly instigating shit and making it worse between them so Hydra can gain a more stable foothold or something in the chaos
Just what I want from comics. Every time Steve Rogers is in the room, worrying about whose lives he's going to fuck up. Fear and mistrust: Captain America!
I think the reason this rubs me so violently the wrong way when I can usually roll with the retcon/shocking reveal punches and have when it comes to stuff like OMD or Dum Dum Duggan being an LMD or Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch not being mutants or Magnetos kids is
It completely recontextualizes basically every Steve Rogers story
Like those other changes range from significant to minor but for the most part they don't change the core of the character and fuck up their existing history. Wanda and Pietro thought they were mutants and thought Erik was their dad, realizing he wasn't doesn't change those stories. Duggan being an LMD doesn't change those stories because he thought he was Duggan and had no idea he was an LMD so his actions are no different. Tony Stark being adopted and having a brother doesn't change anything about him because he didn't know that When his parents were alive so it only affects him going forward.
Having Steve be an undercover Hydra agent for years, possibly even his whole hero career, changes basically every story he has had because he IS a Hydra Agent and even if THE stories don't reflect that, it is now established that he has secretly been that in the background during them.
Obviously I can, and will, go back and read Captain America stuff and completely ignore it with very little effort but the fact that it is now a part of Marvel Universe history makes me really frustrated.
Like I said I don't expect Steve to suddenly be secretly super evil or anything but if he is willing to "bring down" the Marvel Universe and, potentially, kill another hero, he is not the man we thought we knew and loved.
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My assumption with how this Captain America stuff works is that
Part of it has to do with him being de-aged. Like, those Hydra affiliations were buried deep within his psyche, and he never really acted on any of that previously or acknowledged them or whatever. He was loyal to Hydra as young man, but when Hydra became literal Nazis, he was more loyal to his country and he fought against Hydra as a result. And then just, you know, kept fighting against Hydra.
But the de-aging process put him back in the mental state he was in before he went to war, and his loyalty to Hydra no longer seems like, well, the big problem that it would have been back when they were literal Nazis.
It's bullshit pseudoscience and doesn't really make me much happier about it, but that's what I'm thinkin'
My assumption with how this Captain America stuff works is that
Part of it has to do with him being de-aged. Like, those Hydra affiliations were buried deep within his psyche, and he never really acted on any of that previously or acknowledged them or whatever. He was loyal to Hydra as young man, but when Hydra became literal Nazis, he was more loyal to his country and he fought against Hydra as a result. And then just, you know, kept fighting against Hydra.
But the de-aging process put him back in the mental state he was in before he went to war, and his loyalty to Hydra no longer seems like, well, the big problem that it would have been back when they were literal Nazis.
It's bullshit pseudoscience and doesn't really make me much happier about it, but that's what I'm thinkin'
Brevoort says he has been an undercover operative and Spencer describes him as Hydra's most valuable asset so unless he has only recently been doing that that, sadly, seems unlikely.
My assumption with how this Captain America stuff works is that
Part of it has to do with him being de-aged. Like, those Hydra affiliations were buried deep within his psyche, and he never really acted on any of that previously or acknowledged them or whatever. He was loyal to Hydra as young man, but when Hydra became literal Nazis, he was more loyal to his country and he fought against Hydra as a result. And then just, you know, kept fighting against Hydra.
But the de-aging process put him back in the mental state he was in before he went to war, and his loyalty to Hydra no longer seems like, well, the big problem that it would have been back when they were literal Nazis.
It's bullshit pseudoscience and doesn't really make me much happier about it, but that's what I'm thinkin'
Brevoort says he has been an undercover operative so unless he has only recently been doing that that, sadly, seems unlikely.
It certainly could be that he was under some sort of mentally-programmed cover that never got activated, which would save them from having to explain all the previous stuff. Something about him getting de-aged somehow triggered his activation or whatever. Still don't really like that though.
My assumption with how this Captain America stuff works is that
Part of it has to do with him being de-aged. Like, those Hydra affiliations were buried deep within his psyche, and he never really acted on any of that previously or acknowledged them or whatever. He was loyal to Hydra as young man, but when Hydra became literal Nazis, he was more loyal to his country and he fought against Hydra as a result. And then just, you know, kept fighting against Hydra.
But the de-aging process put him back in the mental state he was in before he went to war, and his loyalty to Hydra no longer seems like, well, the big problem that it would have been back when they were literal Nazis.
It's bullshit pseudoscience and doesn't really make me much happier about it, but that's what I'm thinkin'
Brevoort says he has been an undercover operative so unless he has only recently been doing that that, sadly, seems unlikely.
It certainly could be that he was under some sort of mentally-programmed cover that never got activated, which would save them from having to explain all the previous stuff. Something about him getting de-aged somehow triggered his activation or whatever. Still don't really like that though.
That would go against the but where they straight up say "This is Steve Rogers acting as himself." he's not being controlled or influenced by anyone according to Brevoort and Spencer. They go out of their way to clarify it isn't any fuckery and is the real deal Steve Rogers.
The more I think about it, the more I think it has to be
Kobik
It totally could be!
But then the whole story is basically pointless.
There is basically no way I can think of them pulling this off in a way I would enjoy.
Playing it straight and nopenopenope
Steve is a double Agent and okay then you just lied about everything twice that's some shitty storytelling and marketing
Steve is altered by Kobik and it gets undone, you lied again and also this is basically a Dark Steve Rogers book that you're pretending it isn't which is not something I am interested in
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Every relaunch/line addition they have had since the original Marvel Now has been pretty great for the most part?
All-New Marvel introduced Ms. Marvel and Loki: Agent of Asgard and Inhuman
And Avengers Now had FalCap and Jane Thor
And ANAD Marvel has been largely excellent
This week's Ms. Marvel is a tri-state science fair, with Kamala and Bruno leading the team from New Jersey, and Miles and Ganke leading the team from New York
oh my god
What's the third state and are they just completely screwed then?
Connecticut and they're trying to rules lawyer their way to victory
Boo!
“His mission is to further the goals and beliefs of Hydra. If that involves taking down the Marvel universe, sure. (But) it may not be as simple as that. It’s not like he’s exchanged his white hat for a black hat — it’s a green hat."
He also confirms Steve is an undercover operative and has been for years and that the next issue will go to some "scary and shocking places".
FUUUUUCK THAAAAAAT
The worst villains, ugh! Also that shark is clearly smiling.
Accurate.
You did something dumber than DC did during their whole new 52 fiasco
This makes the joker cutting his face off look downright brilliant
always put salt in your eyes
If Steve is apparently willing to bring down the Marvel Universe to further his Hydra's goals then I have a hard time buying killing a dude he barely knows in a very easily deniable way is a bridge too far for him
(Cap)
Yeah, this looks legit. I might go. Bring your kids!
Remember how he said that Age of Ultron was absolutely not an alternate future story?
Like they absolutely could be lying through their teeth (because he already did about what this book is really about and admits that) but why should we assume they are when this is a being treated like a big huge shocker that deserves EW and USA Today interviews.
Either they're total assholes and going for cheap controversy buys in a way Marvel hasn't done in a while or they are telling the truth and everything that Spencer says sounds like the latter.
But Steve Rogers is a Very Important Character to me, on a personal level, and short of Brevoort and Spencer lying out the ass and the whole premise being bullshit, which I wouldn't Like anyways because that is sloppy storytelling and cheap, even if the story is well written it is such a fundamental change to what I love and find important about Steve Rogers that I don't care.
Like I've said, anyone else who is into it and interested, more power to you, I am strictly speaking about my personal views.
The amount of friends texting me asking me if this will be in the movies is insane.
This is a huge, huge mistake.
I just realized something
Steve is shown trying to be a mediator in Civil War 2 between Tony and Carol
He is totally secretly instigating shit and making it worse between them so Hydra can gain a more stable foothold or something in the chaos
But lying about the premise of the book and then lying again to national media about the real premise just seems so convoluted and stupid that I have a hard time seeing either of them do it.
Like those other changes range from significant to minor but for the most part they don't change the core of the character and fuck up their existing history. Wanda and Pietro thought they were mutants and thought Erik was their dad, realizing he wasn't doesn't change those stories. Duggan being an LMD doesn't change those stories because he thought he was Duggan and had no idea he was an LMD so his actions are no different. Tony Stark being adopted and having a brother doesn't change anything about him because he didn't know that When his parents were alive so it only affects him going forward.
Having Steve be an undercover Hydra agent for years, possibly even his whole hero career, changes basically every story he has had because he IS a Hydra Agent and even if THE stories don't reflect that, it is now established that he has secretly been that in the background during them.
Obviously I can, and will, go back and read Captain America stuff and completely ignore it with very little effort but the fact that it is now a part of Marvel Universe history makes me really frustrated.
Like I said I don't expect Steve to suddenly be secretly super evil or anything but if he is willing to "bring down" the Marvel Universe and, potentially, kill another hero, he is not the man we thought we knew and loved.
But the de-aging process put him back in the mental state he was in before he went to war, and his loyalty to Hydra no longer seems like, well, the big problem that it would have been back when they were literal Nazis.
It's bullshit pseudoscience and doesn't really make me much happier about it, but that's what I'm thinkin'
My Let's Play Channel: https://youtube.com/channel/UC2go70QLfwGq-hW4nvUqmog
Which again, could be a lie!
But for now it is more likely to be the truth
My Let's Play Channel: https://youtube.com/channel/UC2go70QLfwGq-hW4nvUqmog
But then the whole story is basically pointless.
There is basically no way I can think of them pulling this off in a way I would enjoy.
Playing it straight and nopenopenope
Steve is a double Agent and okay then you just lied about everything twice that's some shitty storytelling and marketing
Steve is altered by Kobik and it gets undone, you lied again and also this is basically a Dark Steve Rogers book that you're pretending it isn't which is not something I am interested in