Last night I had a dream that I lived in a boarding house with my wife while she was going back to college. One of the other lodgers was a sentient gorilla, and every time we had a group dinner he would uncomfortably make everything a reference to poaching and how his species is endangered because of human hunting.
Like someone was all "yeah, it's getting cold soon, do you have a sweater?" And he was all "No, I don't. Also generally your people take the sweater we were born with when they hunt us for our pelts."
And we would all uncomfortably laugh and get silent.
Also in the dream the sentient gorilla was describing how yes, gorillas do sweat and I was sitting there thinking "that's complete bullshit" but I wasn't about to argue with a social justice gorilla, so I kept my mouth shut.
But then I looked it up and apparently gorillas do sweat so uh
I'm sorry Harambe
sounds like sitcom material
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I'd let someone play an atheist in my campaign.
Oh they'd be smitten the first time their character mentioned it out loud. Yes for reals.
Last night I had a dream that I lived in a boarding house with my wife while she was going back to college. One of the other lodgers was a sentient gorilla, and every time we had a group dinner he would uncomfortably make everything a reference to poaching and how his species is endangered because of human hunting.
Like someone was all "yeah, it's getting cold soon, do you have a sweater?" And he was all "No, I don't. Also generally your people take the sweater we were born with when they hunt us for our pelts."
And we would all uncomfortably laugh and get silent.
Also in the dream the sentient gorilla was describing how yes, gorillas do sweat and I was sitting there thinking "that's complete bullshit" but I wasn't about to argue with a social justice gorilla, so I kept my mouth shut.
But then I looked it up and apparently gorillas do sweat so uh
I'm sorry Harambe
Please, God, let a dream analyst visit chat and unpack this for the group.
at the risk of painting a bad picture of myself and my wife
I told her this story this morning and she just said "See, this is why I don't like white feminism"
We all agree that the massive outcry over shooting the gorilla is a little racist, right?
wat
the boy who fell in was black i believe, and there was a ton of "mother should bear all the responsibility for the gorillas death, how dare she not pay attention to her kid for 5 seconds, what a terrible mother, send her to jail, etc etc etc"
there was considerable backlash
The same thing happened with that white kid eaten by a croc at Disneyland
There certainly were people saying that, but at no point did the zeitgeist become about the crocodile. There is absolutely a racial component to the harambe shit.
I'm gonna lean towards "but not really tho"
Tav, I appreciate that racial tension and stuff like that may not be part of your reality, but you do not live in the states.
Really, tho. You just don't have the same perspective. Period.
I get that you're super enlightened now but take it down a notch, yeah?
I don't pretend to understand tensions between catholics and protestants like you do.
Do you think I'm pretending to understand a meme and how it was perceieved by the Internet and people outside of the south?
Have you considered you're overcompensating for living in a racist shithole by being vocal about how progressive you are?
On tensions between catholics and protestants, the manager of my local Tesco has 1688 and 1745 tattooed in his arms
I can picture him being a Rangers hooligan some twenty years ago, ever ready to beat the ever living crap out of those Catholic Celtic scum
Id take Celtic vs Rangers a lot more seriously if they weren't both shit and suffering from big fish in a small pond syndrome.
i think the alignment mechanic makes sense in the context of, say, a cleric and their relationship to their god, and how they can't just go on a murder spree if that's not the teaching of their god or whatever
but for most characters i don't think alignment really matters and if you wanted it to matter i think it would make more sense to have some sort of reputation mechanic where word of your deeds gets round so people think you're a monster if you just go on murder sprees all the time or they think you're a nice fellow if you save people from dungeons or whatever
It's just a storybuilding shortcut. It does have some (easily altered) implications in the mechanics like the Detect X or Protection from X spells, but ultimately it only matters how much the DM and the players want it to matter.
For a group of experienced, adult roleplayers, nah, it probably doesn't matter. The character can have a more nuanced ideology than just being slotted into one of nine viewpoints, the DM and the player can decide how to work within that nuanced and ideology and determine when someone is starting to act too much out of character.
Of course, D&D is meant for kids, too. And for a group of kids who want to get started roleplaying and don't have any experience, alignments can be a guiding hand in creating a cohesive character.
Clerics all "I am literally channeling the divine power of my god. Who was hanging out, in person, at our main shine last month." and you're all "nuh uh you're all frauds!"
it's kind of hard to be an atheist when someone can just go "hey pelor, show this infidel what's what" and pelor literally shows up like bam, checkmate loser
I think it'd be just as easy as in real life.
Magic exists. If someone prays to Pelor and then a lightning bolt strikes some non-believer, who's to say it's actually a prayer fulfilled by the gods rather than a spell?
Maybe the cleric is a fraud, trying to use magic to con people into joining his church so he can gain temporal power. Or maybe he's been conned himself, and Pelor is just a very powerful wizard. The line is blurred further in certain settings and storylines. Forgotten Realms has huge events whenever a new D&D iteration comes out, so they can "reset" the world to match the new ruleset; one of these big events involved the gods returning to Toril and becoming very powerful mortals. Some gods died (which led to the plot of Baldur's Gate), and some mortal became gods. When that's the biggest and most personal interaction with the gods that Toril has ever seen, why should a resident assume there is anything truly special about the divine?
I think it'd depend a lot on implementation of the magic system and divinity, too. In some settings, the church itself might admit that the god they worship is just a powerful magic user, and the concept of actual divinity doesn't exist. It wouldn't make sense to distinguish between atheism and theism in those settings. In other settings, we might see powerful examples of divinity as its own thing, like an all-powerful monotheistic entity (like Ao in the Forgotten Realms, although Ao keeps himself hidden and most mortals don't know he exists). It would still be possible to be an atheist in that setting, but much harder, because you might have specific examples setting the divine apart from more typical wizards.
well, that's kind of the thing
in a setting where the gods are actually present, it's kind of hard to be like "you frauds, there are no gods!"
um yes there are, one is standing right over there
I think the thing is in most settings clerics arent really calling down the actual god himself for a chat, just kinda channeling power. Atheism seems fully possible in such a system unless you encounter a high level cleric, especially if you yourself are channeling divine energy without a god.
Last night I had a dream that I lived in a boarding house with my wife while she was going back to college. One of the other lodgers was a sentient gorilla, and every time we had a group dinner he would uncomfortably make everything a reference to poaching and how his species is endangered because of human hunting.
Like someone was all "yeah, it's getting cold soon, do you have a sweater?" And he was all "No, I don't. Also generally your people take the sweater we were born with when they hunt us for our pelts."
And we would all uncomfortably laugh and get silent.
Also in the dream the sentient gorilla was describing how yes, gorillas do sweat and I was sitting there thinking "that's complete bullshit" but I wasn't about to argue with a social justice gorilla, so I kept my mouth shut.
But then I looked it up and apparently gorillas do sweat so uh
I'm sorry Harambe
God bless this valiant dream gorilla for making you interrogate your anti-sentient gorilla prejudices
Oh they'd be smitten the first time their character mentioned it out loud. Yes for reals.
Because that's funny as shit to me.
"Yeah, Erythnul smites you."
"What?"
"Yeah you're dead."
"...Really?"
"Erythnul doesn't take shit. Sorry."
ugh
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Honestly, shitting on the mom is more class based than anything. Had she been a physically fit soccer mom with an open bottle of coconut water in the cup holder of her high end stroller, totally distraught that her little Ulysses had fallen into the enclosure, the media and public would have right away taken the side.
If the lady had a butterfly tattoo on her arm, smoking a cigarette, and a bad bleach job on her hair, then opened her mouth and honked in a trailer park accent that that Jimmy done climbed up the wall when she wasn't lookin, then we'd see probably and even harsher reaction than we did.
Race and class are intertwined obviously, so the mom being black automatically signals class to some degree, but I think we shouldn't over look class.
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I always feel like it's more about worship than belief. Like in Dragonlance, followers of Paladine are aware of Takhesis, but it's basically like "fuck you, Takhesis". And vice versa.
Last night I had a dream that I lived in a boarding house with my wife while she was going back to college. One of the other lodgers was a sentient gorilla, and every time we had a group dinner he would uncomfortably make everything a reference to poaching and how his species is endangered because of human hunting.
Like someone was all "yeah, it's getting cold soon, do you have a sweater?" And he was all "No, I don't. Also generally your people take the sweater we were born with when they hunt us for our pelts."
And we would all uncomfortably laugh and get silent.
Also in the dream the sentient gorilla was describing how yes, gorillas do sweat and I was sitting there thinking "that's complete bullshit" but I wasn't about to argue with a social justice gorilla, so I kept my mouth shut.
But then I looked it up and apparently gorillas do sweat so uh
Last night I had a dream that I lived in a boarding house with my wife while she was going back to college. One of the other lodgers was a sentient gorilla, and every time we had a group dinner he would uncomfortably make everything a reference to poaching and how his species is endangered because of human hunting.
Like someone was all "yeah, it's getting cold soon, do you have a sweater?" And he was all "No, I don't. Also generally your people take the sweater we were born with when they hunt us for our pelts."
And we would all uncomfortably laugh and get silent.
Also in the dream the sentient gorilla was describing how yes, gorillas do sweat and I was sitting there thinking "that's complete bullshit" but I wasn't about to argue with a social justice gorilla, so I kept my mouth shut.
But then I looked it up and apparently gorillas do sweat so uh
I'm sorry Harambe
Humans are cooler because we have so much more than most animals so it's used as thermoregulation versus panting and shit.
not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
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Also for real though shit was pretty fukin racist when a lot of people are like "yes we should have risked the kids life to tranquilize the gorilla, if the kid dies its the mothers fault. Also its the mothers fault that the gorilla died" even when zookeepers and behavior experts were like "yeah shit like this happens. that gorilla was gonna rip that kid apart. Male gorillas dont fuck around with children that aren't theirs, my dudes"
also we got sexism in our racism because everything was this mother's fault lol
chelleyeah I just ordered you 16gb of ram and a new 500gb samsung evo SSD
I didn't ask you because you self flagellate over money spent on you so get over it. I can install the ram when it gets here tomorrow. I will upgrade your hdd and reinstall windows this weekend.
True love
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Alternately you could easily be a theist for a non-existent god and be like 'yeah my arcane powers definitely come from Bob, the wizard god' and people would be like 'are you sure though cause I also can cast magic missile and I've never prayed to Bob' and you're like 'yeah Bob is super-tolerant though and found you worthy anyway'.
in a setting where the gods are actually present, it's kind of hard to be like "you frauds, there are no gods!"
um yes there are, one is standing right over there
I love this though
just like nope, that's just a wizard pulling one over on y'all
dude just last week we stopped asmodeus from opening the gates to the nine hells
that was all smoke and mirrors and you know it!
that time when the overgod visited and spoke to literally every mortal on the plane tho?
filmed on a greenscreen
okay but yesterday, you held the chalice of the all-thing and the voice of Gaia spoke through you, reshaping the very mountain on which we stood
that was an earthquake that released hallucinogenic spores from underground
life's a game that you're bound to lose / like using a hammer to pound in screws
fuck up once and you break your thumb / if you're happy at all then you're god damn dumb
that's right we're on a fucked up cruise / God is dead but at least we have booze
bad things happen, no one knows why / the sun burns out and everyone dies
Also for real though shit was pretty fukin racist when a lot of people are like "yes we should have risked the kids life to tranquilize the gorilla, if the kid dies its the mothers fault. Also its the mothers fault that the gorilla died" even when zookeepers and behavior experts were like "yeah shit like this happens. that gorilla was gonna rip that kid apart. Male gorillas dont fuck around with children that aren't theirs, my dudes"
also we got sexism in our racism because everything was this mother's fault lol
Counterpoint: A Silverback gorilla protected a young child that fell into the gorilla enclosure in UK(Jersey) way back in the day
bowen on
not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
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Arch I especially appreciate that your dream-brain apparently knew something you thought you knew the opposite of
That's some trippy brain shit right there
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I should clean my apartment just in case some big breasted Romanian milf is also taking calc 2 and urgently needs to study with me after the first day of school
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Also for real though shit was pretty fukin racist when a lot of people are like "yes we should have risked the kids life to tranquilize the gorilla, if the kid dies its the mothers fault. Also its the mothers fault that the gorilla died" even when zookeepers and behavior experts were like "yeah shit like this happens. that gorilla was gonna rip that kid apart. Male gorillas dont fuck around with children that aren't theirs, my dudes"
also we got sexism in our racism because everything was this mother's fault lol
Counterpoint: A Silverback gorilla protected a young child that fell into the gorilla enclosure in UK(Jersey) way back in the day
male?
that's the important distinction
Allegedly a voice of reason.
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if a flight from italy is getting in at 2:20 what time should I expect to actually be able to pick up a person who's on it? takes like a hour to get bags/go through customs and shit?
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I'm supposed to be working all today with an engineer in a factory in Vietnam. He is nonresponsive, Skype lists him as away, and the PC I need to remote into is off.
Boss even said I could work from home but I didn't because I wanted to make an appearance at the office. Fucking... I could be honoring Harambe and playing no man's sky right now.
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Arch I especially appreciate that your dream-brain apparently knew something you thought you knew the opposite of
That's some trippy brain shit right there
the other thing my wife said about that conversation was "Dude you know this is just Gorilla Grodd just testing the waters to see if you'd work for him"
Also for real though shit was pretty fukin racist when a lot of people are like "yes we should have risked the kids life to tranquilize the gorilla, if the kid dies its the mothers fault. Also its the mothers fault that the gorilla died" even when zookeepers and behavior experts were like "yeah shit like this happens. that gorilla was gonna rip that kid apart. Male gorillas dont fuck around with children that aren't theirs, my dudes"
also we got sexism in our racism because everything was this mother's fault lol
Counterpoint: A Silverback gorilla protected a young child that fell into the gorilla enclosure in UK(Jersey) way back in the day
would you like to wager a child's life on the fact that a gorilla didn't immediately murder a kid once
maybe i'm streaming terrible dj right now if i am its here
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sounds like sitcom material
Oh they'd be smitten the first time their character mentioned it out loud. Yes for reals.
Because that's funny as shit to me.
"Yeah, Erythnul smites you."
"What?"
"Yeah you're dead."
"...Really?"
"Erythnul doesn't take shit. Sorry."
Lighting strikes people all the time.
Tide goes in tide goes out....
at the risk of painting a bad picture of myself and my wife
I told her this story this morning and she just said "See, this is why I don't like white feminism"
I've tried watching Scottish football
The situation here is dire
The comparison with police shootings was hard to miss tho
I think the thing is in most settings clerics arent really calling down the actual god himself for a chat, just kinda channeling power. Atheism seems fully possible in such a system unless you encounter a high level cleric, especially if you yourself are channeling divine energy without a god.
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God bless this valiant dream gorilla for making you interrogate your anti-sentient gorilla prejudices
Getting gorilla woke is a painful process Arch
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that time when the overgod visited and spoke to literally every mortal on the plane tho?
filmed on a greenscreen
ugh
If the lady had a butterfly tattoo on her arm, smoking a cigarette, and a bad bleach job on her hair, then opened her mouth and honked in a trailer park accent that that Jimmy done climbed up the wall when she wasn't lookin, then we'd see probably and even harsher reaction than we did.
Race and class are intertwined obviously, so the mom being black automatically signals class to some degree, but I think we shouldn't over look class.
So glad I checked out chat this afternoon.
\o/
Humans are cooler because we have so much more than most animals so it's used as thermoregulation versus panting and shit.
you can see his cloak waving like there's wind
there's no wind on the astral plane!
also we got sexism in our racism because everything was this mother's fault lol
Propaganda like "of course we have the moral high ground--we're uplifted."
True love
okay but yesterday, you held the chalice of the all-thing and the voice of Gaia spoke through you, reshaping the very mountain on which we stood
that was an earthquake that released hallucinogenic spores from underground
fuck up once and you break your thumb / if you're happy at all then you're god damn dumb
that's right we're on a fucked up cruise / God is dead but at least we have booze
bad things happen, no one knows why / the sun burns out and everyone dies
I would also accept Jurassic park shoot "hair"
Every time I've tried to watch/listen I'm just not feeling it.
Counterpoint: A Silverback gorilla protected a young child that fell into the gorilla enclosure in UK(Jersey) way back in the day
That's some trippy brain shit right there
In my last Stellaris game the octopi conquerors of the galaxy did not uplift the gorillas
The gorillas all died of natural causes
Death being the natural result of being purged, I guess
If it makes you feel any better I would never actually DM.
I won't even let myself be party leader in a multiplayer game of any sort.
Fuuuuuck responsibility
male?
that's the important distinction
It's for protection. From Gorillas
Boss even said I could work from home but I didn't because I wanted to make an appearance at the office. Fucking... I could be honoring Harambe and playing no man's sky right now.
the other thing my wife said about that conversation was "Dude you know this is just Gorilla Grodd just testing the waters to see if you'd work for him"
and i was like OF COURSE ID WORK FOR GRODD
would you like to wager a child's life on the fact that a gorilla didn't immediately murder a kid once
maybe i'm streaming terrible dj right now if i am its here
gorillas bad
humans good