Patriots did get lucky on matchups. Didnt they have the lowest QB matchups all year. And in this game the best RB in the league right now got hurt in the 1st quarter. It is not a draw back if it is a truth. And they keep winning it doesnt matter anyway.
Superbowl will be Butler on Jones.
That will be the matchup, and honestly it could go either way. Jones is the real deal but Butler ain't no slouch either.
There isn't a CB in the league that can cover Jones if Malcolm doesn't get help Jones will dominate.
I'm glad I picked all Falcon and Patriots players for my playoff fantasy team.
Jones will be double covered all night, Butler and a safety at all times.
I will admit tho... Jones is a scary motherfucker.
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Patriots did get lucky on matchups. Didnt they have the lowest QB matchups all year. And in this game the best RB in the league right now got hurt in the 1st quarter. It is not a draw back if it is a truth. And they keep winning it doesnt matter anyway.
Superbowl will be Butler on Jones.
That will be the matchup, and honestly it could go either way. Jones is the real deal but Butler ain't no slouch either.
There isn't a CB in the league that can cover Jones if Malcolm doesn't get help Jones will dominate.
I'm glad I picked all Falcon and Patriots players for my playoff fantasy team.
Jones will be double covered all night, Butler and a safety at all times.
I will admit tho... Jones is a scary motherfucker.
9 catches, 180 yards, 2 TDs...
Oh wait, that was chris hogan
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Patriots did get lucky on matchups. Didnt they have the lowest QB matchups all year. And in this game the best RB in the league right now got hurt in the 1st quarter. It is not a draw back if it is a truth. And they keep winning it doesnt matter anyway.
Superbowl will be Butler on Jones.
That will be the matchup, and honestly it could go either way. Jones is the real deal but Butler ain't no slouch either.
There isn't a CB in the league that can cover Jones if Malcolm doesn't get help Jones will dominate.
I'm glad I picked all Falcon and Patriots players for my playoff fantasy team.
Jones will be double covered all night, Butler and a safety at all times.
I will admit tho... Jones is a scary motherfucker.
9 catches, 180 yards, 2 TDs...
Oh wait, that was chris hogan
Just saying.
Yeah, we've got some damn good secondary players. Consistent.
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Patriots did get lucky on matchups. Didnt they have the lowest QB matchups all year. And in this game the best RB in the league right now got hurt in the 1st quarter. It is not a draw back if it is a truth. And they keep winning it doesnt matter anyway.
Superbowl will be Butler on Jones.
That will be the matchup, and honestly it could go either way. Jones is the real deal but Butler ain't no slouch either.
There isn't a CB in the league that can cover Jones if Malcolm doesn't get help Jones will dominate.
I'm glad I picked all Falcon and Patriots players for my playoff fantasy team.
Jones will be double covered all night, Butler and a safety at all times.
I will admit tho... Jones is a scary motherfucker.
9 catches, 180 yards, 2 TDs...
Oh wait, that was chris hogan
Just saying.
Yeah, we've got some damn good secondary players tho. Consistent.
Haha yeah, jones is just a liiiittle more likely than hogan to duplicate that line in two weeks
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Patriots did get lucky on matchups. Didnt they have the lowest QB matchups all year. And in this game the best RB in the league right now got hurt in the 1st quarter. It is not a draw back if it is a truth. And they keep winning it doesnt matter anyway.
Superbowl will be Butler on Jones.
That will be the matchup, and honestly it could go either way. Jones is the real deal but Butler ain't no slouch either.
There isn't a CB in the league that can cover Jones if Malcolm doesn't get help Jones will dominate.
I'm glad I picked all Falcon and Patriots players for my playoff fantasy team.
Jones will be double covered all night, Butler and a safety at all times.
I will admit tho... Jones is a scary motherfucker.
9 catches, 180 yards, 2 TDs...
Oh wait, that was chris hogan
Just saying.
Yeah, we've got some damn good secondary players tho. Consistent.
Haha yeah, jones is just a liiiittle more likely than hogan to duplicate that line in two weeks
I think we're gonna see ground game vs Atlanta.
If they have an achilles heel, that would be it.
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Oh good.
Luke Bryan is singing the national anthem at the Super Bowl.
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Tom Brady is down with the ATL tho
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I have never seen a more awkward picture in my life.
I've watched football for 16 seasons and I'm about to see my 7th pats super bowl
Cray
I've watched football for over 30 seasons. And I'm about to avoid seeing an eighth Patriots Super Bowl.
Yeah, first Super Bowl I can remember seeing was the '85 Bears making Eason and the Pats their bitch, and now I'll be not watching the 7th TB12 appearance in an SB.
May Giselle catch him cheating and cut him off from her $300+ million.
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What, exactly, do the New England Patriots do to people that are rational otherwise that makes them turn into conspiracy theorists?
Isn't this the same league that battled them for 2 years, removed a 1st round pick, and suspended their QB for 4 games for something they couldn't prove?
Well, they filmed my team in practice against the rules before their super bowl and stole signals, and then the NFL covered for them by destroying the tapes. So, it goes both ways.
I don't think the ending would have changed much, but I very much would have liked watching the AFC game with a fully healthy Bell. I actually think we missed him more in the passing game than the running game. Looking across the whole season, it was great to have our entire line healthy for the better part of the season. I hope that Pouncey's injury issues are behind him. Now, I want to trade for his brother so we can have the Pouncey Plows (yes, I'm stealing from the Williams Wall, Vikings fans).
Also, I only went one page back. Was Bob Kraft drunk when he addressed the fans? Because he was clearly slurring (heh). Either that, or he had an undocumented stroke. Also also, what was he trying to get the fans to say?
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That Belichick was missing his best player for four games, his second best player missed half of the season and wasn't at full strength in the games he did play, finished the season with the best scoring defense, finished the season with the third best scoring offense, had a final point differential (+191) that was 54 points above the #2 team (Atlanta, +134) - a margin of victory of about 12 points per game, went 14-2, and that wasn't enough to win COTY?
Belichick is graded on one hell of a curve. "The Patriots are good every year" is somehow something that works against him in COTY voting.
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That Belichick was missing his best player for four games, his second best player missed half of the season and wasn't at full strength in the games he did play, finished the season with the best scoring defense, finished the season with the third best scoring offense, had a final point differential (+191) that was 54 points above the #2 team (Atlanta, +134) - a margin of victory of about 12 points per game, went 14-2, and that wasn't enough to win COTY?
Belichick is graded on one hell of a curve. "The Patriots are good every year" is somehow something that works against him in COTY voting.
COTY always goes to coach who most outperforms expectations, and voter fatigue also sets in. otherwise it would be bill and gregg popovich every year. plus 13-3 and a 1 seed with a rookie QB and rookie RB is pretty impressive in its own right
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That Belichick was missing his best player for four games, his second best player missed half of the season and wasn't at full strength in the games he did play, finished the season with the best scoring defense, finished the season with the third best scoring offense, had a final point differential (+191) that was 54 points above the #2 team (Atlanta, +134) - a margin of victory of about 12 points per game, went 14-2, and that wasn't enough to win COTY?
Belichick is graded on one hell of a curve. "The Patriots are good every year" is somehow something that works against him in COTY voting.
COTY always goes to coach who most outperforms expectations, and voter fatigue also sets in. otherwise it would be bill and gregg popovich every year. plus 13-3 and a 1 seed with a rookie QB and rookie RB is pretty impressive in its own right
Yea, it's not like there's any actual meaning to the award. It's kinda used just for PR for people that don't really follow the game in and out to bring lesser known, and slightly lesser successes to the fore for a bit. At least, in basketball and football.
Another thing for why I could see voting for another coach, most of the differential related stats are directly correlated to strength of schedule/defense opposed and the Patriots schedule definitely was a little heavy on the buttercups this season. What was the final differential count for their 6 against the Bills/Jets/(and somehow playoff caliber) Dolphins? If they didn't draw the short straw and have to face the NFC East or AFC West, you can lock the best team in the AFC East for a top 4 differential every year.
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That Belichick was missing his best player for four games, his second best player missed half of the season and wasn't at full strength in the games he did play, finished the season with the best scoring defense, finished the season with the third best scoring offense, had a final point differential (+191) that was 54 points above the #2 team (Atlanta, +134) - a margin of victory of about 12 points per game, went 14-2, and that wasn't enough to win COTY?
Belichick is graded on one hell of a curve. "The Patriots are good every year" is somehow something that works against him in COTY voting.
COTY always goes to coach who most outperforms expectations, and voter fatigue also sets in. otherwise it would be bill and gregg popovich every year. plus 13-3 and a 1 seed with a rookie QB and rookie RB is pretty impressive in its own right
Yea, it's not like there's any actual meaning to the award. It's kinda used just for PR for people that don't really follow the game in and out to bring lesser known, and slightly lesser successes to the fore for a bit. At least, in basketball and football.
Another thing for why I could see voting for another coach, most of the differential related stats are directly correlated to strength of schedule/defense opposed and the Patriots schedule definitely was a little heavy on the buttercups this season. What was the final differential count for their 6 against the Bills/Jets/(and somehow playoff caliber) Dolphins? If they didn't draw the short straw and have to face the NFC East or AFC West, you can lock the best team in the AFC East for a top 4 differential every year.
I keep hearing the Pats had an easy schedule.
They were 9th in the league, and the win pct differential between the Pats and Falcons was like .022
The Packers had the easiest schedule in the league and nobody brings that up.
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That Belichick was missing his best player for four games, his second best player missed half of the season and wasn't at full strength in the games he did play, finished the season with the best scoring defense, finished the season with the third best scoring offense, had a final point differential (+191) that was 54 points above the #2 team (Atlanta, +134) - a margin of victory of about 12 points per game, went 14-2, and that wasn't enough to win COTY?
Belichick is graded on one hell of a curve. "The Patriots are good every year" is somehow something that works against him in COTY voting.
COTY always goes to coach who most outperforms expectations, and voter fatigue also sets in. otherwise it would be bill and gregg popovich every year. plus 13-3 and a 1 seed with a rookie QB and rookie RB is pretty impressive in its own right
Yea, it's not like there's any actual meaning to the award. It's kinda used just for PR for people that don't really follow the game in and out to bring lesser known, and slightly lesser successes to the fore for a bit. At least, in basketball and football.
Another thing for why I could see voting for another coach, most of the differential related stats are directly correlated to strength of schedule/defense opposed and the Patriots schedule definitely was a little heavy on the buttercups this season. What was the final differential count for their 6 against the Bills/Jets/(and somehow playoff caliber) Dolphins? If they didn't draw the short straw and have to face the NFC East or AFC West, you can lock the best team in the AFC East for a top 4 differential every year.
I keep hearing the Pats had an easy schedule.
They were 9th in the league, and the win pct differential between the Pats and Falcons was like .022
The Packers had the easiest schedule in the league and nobody brings that up.
we did have the easiest schedule vs opposing pass offenses by DVOA, but overall, the schedule wasn't super easy
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oh wait nvm it was the easiest by total DVOA too
we did have an easy schedule
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It is kind of disheartening how samey the post season has began to feel. I mean, for all the talk about parity and any given Sunday, when it comes post season there generally only about four teams each year that are truly competitive with a shot at the Super Bowl, especially without getting lucky in injury roulette or playoff seeding. As the Raiders proved this season, even if you're fairly deep at every position on the roster, and have competent coaching, lose your all star QB and you go crashing to the bottom, better luck next year. I can only think of the Cowboys and Patriots as playoff caliber teams that wouldn't be completely decimated and title hopes written off in that instance. It's these sorts of observations that make me wonder about the health of sport in football. How truly competitive is the game, and how much of that is just marketing and built narratives. Does the addictive nature of gambling/fantasy blind us to the lopsided competition, the meaningless games with very real health implications for the players and the rules imbalances; salve the taint of the fact most of the league is propped up by the profit sharing of the true dynasties, to keep them around for the appearance of competition, to be brushed aside when it really matters and utilized as an aide to further their own mythos building.
Is it realistic to expect more? Is this the nature of the game, or did this train fall off the tracks at some point?
I have my opinions on these things, especially when you broaden the sample size to compare to other sporting endeavors (Soccer/Horses/F1), but I'm curious as to how you all feel about the current health of sport in football.
The Patriots didn't play many good offenses. They played Pittsburgh without Big Ben and then without Bell, they played Buffalo twice and split the games. And after that, the offenses they played were pretty bad for the most part. The Patriots defense did its job against those offenses, and a typical end game would involve the other team getting a garbage time TD after a six or seven minute drive while the Patriots played their "go ahead, trade 7 yards for 35 seconds off of the clock" shell defense. With that said, the Patriots played a lot of great defenses. They beat the #1 defense by DVOA (Denver), the #3 defense (Houston, twice), the #4 defense (Pittsburgh, twice), the #5 defense (Arizona), and the #11 defense (Baltimore). The Patriots ended up with the third best scoring offense this season.
Here's SOS by opponent win/loss. Note that the Falcons and the 49ers are tied for #1 most difficult schedule. As Jungleroomx noted, the Patriots are #9. The Packers had it easiest, but even the Steelers are down there at #23. Also note the Seahawks were tied for 5th - they did pretty good against a pretty touch schedule.
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That Belichick was missing his best player for four games, his second best player missed half of the season and wasn't at full strength in the games he did play, finished the season with the best scoring defense, finished the season with the third best scoring offense, had a final point differential (+191) that was 54 points above the #2 team (Atlanta, +134) - a margin of victory of about 12 points per game, went 14-2, and that wasn't enough to win COTY?
Belichick is graded on one hell of a curve. "The Patriots are good every year" is somehow something that works against him in COTY voting.
COTY always goes to coach who most outperforms expectations, and voter fatigue also sets in. otherwise it would be bill and gregg popovich every year. plus 13-3 and a 1 seed with a rookie QB and rookie RB is pretty impressive in its own right
Yea, it's not like there's any actual meaning to the award. It's kinda used just for PR for people that don't really follow the game in and out to bring lesser known, and slightly lesser successes to the fore for a bit. At least, in basketball and football.
Another thing for why I could see voting for another coach, most of the differential related stats are directly correlated to strength of schedule/defense opposed and the Patriots schedule definitely was a little heavy on the buttercups this season. What was the final differential count for their 6 against the Bills/Jets/(and somehow playoff caliber) Dolphins? If they didn't draw the short straw and have to face the NFC East or AFC West, you can lock the best team in the AFC East for a top 4 differential every year.
I keep hearing the Pats had an easy schedule.
They were 9th in the league, and the win pct differential between the Pats and Falcons was like .022
The Packers had the easiest schedule in the league and nobody brings that up.
I was bearish on the Packers all season long, and booked many Packers to win futures, so you're using that argument with the wrong guy . Rodgers defied my expectations in Dallas, but I was confident that Packers defense wasn't gonna be able to do much against the best in league Falcons. I've ridden the Patriots to this point (wrongly taking the 15.5 with the Texans), but I just don't see the same brilliance with them on the field as the Falcons. The fact I'm getting laid a price just strengthens the side for me to be on, albeit the price is not enough to make it a monster play and probably a game I'd skip wagering on if it weren't the Super Bowl. I just think the fact the Falcons had a tougher schedule, and still were a full touchdown better than the next best offense during the regular season is a pretty strong signal for prognosticating efforts.
My statement above was directly related to how differential gets gamed by SoS, and can't really be used in a vacuum. When I write up my class rankings, margin of victory and SoS are very important attributes for my maths.
I don't think the ending would have changed much, but I very much would have liked watching the AFC game with a fully healthy Bell. I actually think we missed him more in the passing game than the running game. Looking across the whole season, it was great to have our entire line healthy for the better part of the season. I hope that Pouncey's injury issues are behind him. Now, I want to trade for his brother so we can have the Pouncey Plows (yes, I'm stealing from the Williams Wall, Vikings fans).
Also, I only went one page back. Was Bob Kraft drunk when he addressed the fans? Because he was clearly slurring (heh). Either that, or he had an undocumented stroke. Also also, what was he trying to get the fans to say?
He was definitely drunk. He usually is at least tipsy for these things
He was going for Win "One More" which is the playoff slogan for the Patriots this year. It definitely has me paranoid that Brady might retire
That Belichick was missing his best player for four games, his second best player missed half of the season and wasn't at full strength in the games he did play, finished the season with the best scoring defense, finished the season with the third best scoring offense, had a final point differential (+191) that was 54 points above the #2 team (Atlanta, +134) - a margin of victory of about 12 points per game, went 14-2, and that wasn't enough to win COTY?
Belichick is graded on one hell of a curve. "The Patriots are good every year" is somehow something that works against him in COTY voting.
COTY always goes to coach who most outperforms expectations, and voter fatigue also sets in. otherwise it would be bill and gregg popovich every year. plus 13-3 and a 1 seed with a rookie QB and rookie RB is pretty impressive in its own right
Yea, it's not like there's any actual meaning to the award. It's kinda used just for PR for people that don't really follow the game in and out to bring lesser known, and slightly lesser successes to the fore for a bit. At least, in basketball and football.
Another thing for why I could see voting for another coach, most of the differential related stats are directly correlated to strength of schedule/defense opposed and the Patriots schedule definitely was a little heavy on the buttercups this season. What was the final differential count for their 6 against the Bills/Jets/(and somehow playoff caliber) Dolphins? If they didn't draw the short straw and have to face the NFC East or AFC West, you can lock the best team in the AFC East for a top 4 differential every year.
I keep hearing the Pats had an easy schedule.
They were 9th in the league, and the win pct differential between the Pats and Falcons was like .022
The Packers had the easiest schedule in the league and nobody brings that up.
I was bearish on the Packers all season long, and booked many Packers to win futures, so you're using that argument with the wrong guy . Rodgers defied my expectations in Dallas, but I was confident that Packers defense wasn't gonna be able to do much against the best in league Falcons. I've ridden the Patriots to this point (wrongly taking the 15.5 with the Texans), but I just don't see the same brilliance with them on the field as the Falcons. The fact I'm getting laid a price just strengthens the side for me to be on, albeit the price is not enough to make it a monster play and probably a game I'd skip wagering on if it weren't the Super Bowl. I just think the fact the Falcons had a tougher schedule, and still were a full touchdown better than the next best offense during the regular season is a pretty strong signal for prognosticating efforts.
My statement above was directly related to how differential gets gamed by SoS, and can't really be used in a vacuum. When I write up my class rankings, margin of victory and SoS are very important attributes for my maths.
The Patriots don't play like any other team in the league and haven't for almost 2 decades.
They're actually kind of utilitarian and spartan, to be honest. But they've shut down the best receivers and runningbacks in the league time and time again, week after week, year after year. They have the 2nd best ranked secondary in the league behind the Broncos, despite not having any standout superstars.
And just like that, they'll do a flea-flicker and get a 40 yd td on your ass when you ain't looking.
No, they don't have the flash-bang brilliance of the Falcons, and yeah this is easily the hardest team the Pats have faced all year. But I also firmly believe the opposite to be true.
The Patriots didn't play many good offenses. They played Pittsburgh without Big Ben and then without Bell, they played Buffalo twice and split the games. And after that, the offenses they played were pretty bad for the most part. The Patriots defense did its job against those offenses, and a typical end game would involve the other team getting a garbage time TD after a six or seven minute drive while the Patriots played their "go ahead, trade 7 yards for 35 seconds off of the clock" shell defense. With that said, the Patriots played a lot of great defenses. They beat the #1 defense by DVOA (Denver), the #3 defense (Houston, twice), the #4 defense (Pittsburgh, twice), the #5 defense (Arizona), and the #11 defense (Baltimore). The Patriots ended up with the third best scoring offense this season.
Here's SOS by opponent win/loss. Note that the Falcons and the 49ers are tied for #1 most difficult schedule. As Jungleroomx noted, the Patriots are #9. The Packers had it easiest, but even the Steelers are down there at #23. Also note the Seahawks were tied for 5th - they did pretty good against a pretty touch schedule.
I actually did the SoS stuff a couple months back to see if the Browns could Browns themselves out of the #1 pick(they could have but didn't). And basically now that the season is over looking at preseason SoS calculations is pointless. The 49s had the hardest SoS mostly because Arizona was 13-3(7-8-1), Seattle was 10-6(10-5-1), the Rams were 7-9(4-12) in 2015 (2016), and they had a game against the 15-1(6-10) Panthers.
Clearly the teams they actually played in their division this year, were substantially worse than the teams people thought they would be playing. Just the difference in performance by their divisional opponents, drops 18 wins off their opponents, putting them down in like 19th Panthers drop another 9 off putting them in last. Obviously some other teams they played gained wins, but since you play your division twice that drop off had a huge effect..
That Belichick was missing his best player for four games, his second best player missed half of the season and wasn't at full strength in the games he did play, finished the season with the best scoring defense, finished the season with the third best scoring offense, had a final point differential (+191) that was 54 points above the #2 team (Atlanta, +134) - a margin of victory of about 12 points per game, went 14-2, and that wasn't enough to win COTY?
Belichick is graded on one hell of a curve. "The Patriots are good every year" is somehow something that works against him in COTY voting.
COTY always goes to coach who most outperforms expectations, and voter fatigue also sets in. otherwise it would be bill and gregg popovich every year. plus 13-3 and a 1 seed with a rookie QB and rookie RB is pretty impressive in its own right
Yea, it's not like there's any actual meaning to the award. It's kinda used just for PR for people that don't really follow the game in and out to bring lesser known, and slightly lesser successes to the fore for a bit. At least, in basketball and football.
Another thing for why I could see voting for another coach, most of the differential related stats are directly correlated to strength of schedule/defense opposed and the Patriots schedule definitely was a little heavy on the buttercups this season. What was the final differential count for their 6 against the Bills/Jets/(and somehow playoff caliber) Dolphins? If they didn't draw the short straw and have to face the NFC East or AFC West, you can lock the best team in the AFC East for a top 4 differential every year.
I keep hearing the Pats had an easy schedule.
They were 9th in the league, and the win pct differential between the Pats and Falcons was like .022
The Packers had the easiest schedule in the league and nobody brings that up.
I was bearish on the Packers all season long, and booked many Packers to win futures, so you're using that argument with the wrong guy . Rodgers defied my expectations in Dallas, but I was confident that Packers defense wasn't gonna be able to do much against the best in league Falcons. I've ridden the Patriots to this point (wrongly taking the 15.5 with the Texans), but I just don't see the same brilliance with them on the field as the Falcons. The fact I'm getting laid a price just strengthens the side for me to be on, albeit the price is not enough to make it a monster play and probably a game I'd skip wagering on if it weren't the Super Bowl. I just think the fact the Falcons had a tougher schedule, and still were a full touchdown better than the next best offense during the regular season is a pretty strong signal for prognosticating efforts.
My statement above was directly related to how differential gets gamed by SoS, and can't really be used in a vacuum. When I write up my class rankings, margin of victory and SoS are very important attributes for my maths.
The Patriots don't play like any other team in the league and haven't for almost 2 decades.
They're actually kind of utilitarian and spartan, to be honest. But they've shut down the best receivers and runningbacks in the league time and time again, week after week, year after year. They have the 2nd best ranked secondary in the league behind the Broncos, despite not having any standout superstars.
And just like that, they'll do a flea-flicker and get a 40 yd td on your ass when you ain't looking.
No, they don't have the flash-bang brilliance of the Falcons, and yeah this is easily the hardest team the Pats have faced all year. But I also firmly believe the opposite to be true.
I've mentioned it before, but not sure if I stated this fact:
You can better predict a teams defensive output by looking at coaches averages than players. Defense is where coaching has tremendous impact. So your statement above is very true and a causative indicator of this would be how much better the Patriots defensive coordination and preparedness is. Signal stealing never hurts a defenses output either.
I'm not gonna argue that the Patriots have the best front office and coaching staff in the game. That's a fools errand. What I'm interested in talking about is why, and how come all of the prodigal sons of Belichick have had such poor track records after leaving the team. It really is bizarre how dominant the Patriots have been with Belichick. It's why I won't argue with him being the GOAT in the most skilled position in football, I just am impatient for the post retirement revelations on HOW. And how much truth and rules bending it took.
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That Belichick was missing his best player for four games, his second best player missed half of the season and wasn't at full strength in the games he did play, finished the season with the best scoring defense, finished the season with the third best scoring offense, had a final point differential (+191) that was 54 points above the #2 team (Atlanta, +134) - a margin of victory of about 12 points per game, went 14-2, and that wasn't enough to win COTY?
Belichick is graded on one hell of a curve. "The Patriots are good every year" is somehow something that works against him in COTY voting.
COTY always goes to coach who most outperforms expectations, and voter fatigue also sets in. otherwise it would be bill and gregg popovich every year. plus 13-3 and a 1 seed with a rookie QB and rookie RB is pretty impressive in its own right
Yea, it's not like there's any actual meaning to the award. It's kinda used just for PR for people that don't really follow the game in and out to bring lesser known, and slightly lesser successes to the fore for a bit. At least, in basketball and football.
Another thing for why I could see voting for another coach, most of the differential related stats are directly correlated to strength of schedule/defense opposed and the Patriots schedule definitely was a little heavy on the buttercups this season. What was the final differential count for their 6 against the Bills/Jets/(and somehow playoff caliber) Dolphins? If they didn't draw the short straw and have to face the NFC East or AFC West, you can lock the best team in the AFC East for a top 4 differential every year.
I keep hearing the Pats had an easy schedule.
They were 9th in the league, and the win pct differential between the Pats and Falcons was like .022
The Packers had the easiest schedule in the league and nobody brings that up.
I was bearish on the Packers all season long, and booked many Packers to win futures, so you're using that argument with the wrong guy . Rodgers defied my expectations in Dallas, but I was confident that Packers defense wasn't gonna be able to do much against the best in league Falcons. I've ridden the Patriots to this point (wrongly taking the 15.5 with the Texans), but I just don't see the same brilliance with them on the field as the Falcons. The fact I'm getting laid a price just strengthens the side for me to be on, albeit the price is not enough to make it a monster play and probably a game I'd skip wagering on if it weren't the Super Bowl. I just think the fact the Falcons had a tougher schedule, and still were a full touchdown better than the next best offense during the regular season is a pretty strong signal for prognosticating efforts.
My statement above was directly related to how differential gets gamed by SoS, and can't really be used in a vacuum. When I write up my class rankings, margin of victory and SoS are very important attributes for my maths.
The Patriots don't play like any other team in the league and haven't for almost 2 decades.
They're actually kind of utilitarian and spartan, to be honest. But they've shut down the best receivers and runningbacks in the league time and time again, week after week, year after year. They have the 2nd best ranked secondary in the league behind the Broncos, despite not having any standout superstars.
And just like that, they'll do a flea-flicker and get a 40 yd td on your ass when you ain't looking.
No, they don't have the flash-bang brilliance of the Falcons, and yeah this is easily the hardest team the Pats have faced all year. But I also firmly believe the opposite to be true.
I've mentioned it before, but not sure if I stated this fact:
You can better predict a teams defensive output by looking at coaches averages than players. Defense is where coaching has tremendous impact. So your statement above is very true and a causative indicator of this would be how much better the Patriots defensive coordination and preparedness is. Signal stealing never hurts a defenses output either.
I'm not gonna argue that the Patriots have the best front office and coaching staff in the game. That's a fools errand. What I'm interested in talking about is why, and how come all of the prodigal sons of Belichick have had such poor track records after leaving the team. It really is bizarre how dominant the Patriots have been with Belichick. It's why I won't argue with him being the GOAT in the most skilled position in football, I just am impatient for the post retirement revelations on HOW. And how much truth and rules bending it took.
The signal stealing didn't do the Jets any favors.
I can't answer as to why they didn't do as well outside of his coaching umbrella, but if we're going to speculate on conspiracy theories and ufo stories then I think I'll see myself out.
That Belichick was missing his best player for four games, his second best player missed half of the season and wasn't at full strength in the games he did play, finished the season with the best scoring defense, finished the season with the third best scoring offense, had a final point differential (+191) that was 54 points above the #2 team (Atlanta, +134) - a margin of victory of about 12 points per game, went 14-2, and that wasn't enough to win COTY?
Belichick is graded on one hell of a curve. "The Patriots are good every year" is somehow something that works against him in COTY voting.
COTY always goes to coach who most outperforms expectations, and voter fatigue also sets in. otherwise it would be bill and gregg popovich every year. plus 13-3 and a 1 seed with a rookie QB and rookie RB is pretty impressive in its own right
Yea, it's not like there's any actual meaning to the award. It's kinda used just for PR for people that don't really follow the game in and out to bring lesser known, and slightly lesser successes to the fore for a bit. At least, in basketball and football.
Another thing for why I could see voting for another coach, most of the differential related stats are directly correlated to strength of schedule/defense opposed and the Patriots schedule definitely was a little heavy on the buttercups this season. What was the final differential count for their 6 against the Bills/Jets/(and somehow playoff caliber) Dolphins? If they didn't draw the short straw and have to face the NFC East or AFC West, you can lock the best team in the AFC East for a top 4 differential every year.
I keep hearing the Pats had an easy schedule.
They were 9th in the league, and the win pct differential between the Pats and Falcons was like .022
The Packers had the easiest schedule in the league and nobody brings that up.
I was bearish on the Packers all season long, and booked many Packers to win futures, so you're using that argument with the wrong guy . Rodgers defied my expectations in Dallas, but I was confident that Packers defense wasn't gonna be able to do much against the best in league Falcons. I've ridden the Patriots to this point (wrongly taking the 15.5 with the Texans), but I just don't see the same brilliance with them on the field as the Falcons. The fact I'm getting laid a price just strengthens the side for me to be on, albeit the price is not enough to make it a monster play and probably a game I'd skip wagering on if it weren't the Super Bowl. I just think the fact the Falcons had a tougher schedule, and still were a full touchdown better than the next best offense during the regular season is a pretty strong signal for prognosticating efforts.
My statement above was directly related to how differential gets gamed by SoS, and can't really be used in a vacuum. When I write up my class rankings, margin of victory and SoS are very important attributes for my maths.
The Patriots don't play like any other team in the league and haven't for almost 2 decades.
They're actually kind of utilitarian and spartan, to be honest. But they've shut down the best receivers and runningbacks in the league time and time again, week after week, year after year. They have the 2nd best ranked secondary in the league behind the Broncos, despite not having any standout superstars.
And just like that, they'll do a flea-flicker and get a 40 yd td on your ass when you ain't looking.
No, they don't have the flash-bang brilliance of the Falcons, and yeah this is easily the hardest team the Pats have faced all year. But I also firmly believe the opposite to be true.
I've mentioned it before, but not sure if I stated this fact:
You can better predict a teams defensive output by looking at coaches averages than players. Defense is where coaching has tremendous impact. So your statement above is very true and a causative indicator of this would be how much better the Patriots defensive coordination and preparedness is. Signal stealing never hurts a defenses output either.
I'm not gonna argue that the Patriots have the best front office and coaching staff in the game. That's a fools errand. What I'm interested in talking about is why, and how come all of the prodigal sons of Belichick have had such poor track records after leaving the team. It really is bizarre how dominant the Patriots have been with Belichick. It's why I won't argue with him being the GOAT in the most skilled position in football, I just am impatient for the post retirement revelations on HOW. And how much truth and rules bending it took.
The signal stealing didn't do the Jets any favors.
I can't answer as to why they didn't do as well outside of his coaching umbrella, but if we're going to speculate on conspiracy theories and ufo stories then I think I'll see myself out.
Dude, you make it entirely too fun for people to bash the Patriots, you're just gonna keep getting taunted about the rule bending the Patriots very much have done with reactions like that. It isn't even technically against the rules to signal steal, depending on what degree of espionage/action is taken to intercept said signals. It's why every coordinating coach on the sidelines has their clipboard and covers their lips when they're talking playcalls or strategy.
That Belichick was missing his best player for four games, his second best player missed half of the season and wasn't at full strength in the games he did play, finished the season with the best scoring defense, finished the season with the third best scoring offense, had a final point differential (+191) that was 54 points above the #2 team (Atlanta, +134) - a margin of victory of about 12 points per game, went 14-2, and that wasn't enough to win COTY?
Belichick is graded on one hell of a curve. "The Patriots are good every year" is somehow something that works against him in COTY voting.
COTY always goes to coach who most outperforms expectations, and voter fatigue also sets in. otherwise it would be bill and gregg popovich every year. plus 13-3 and a 1 seed with a rookie QB and rookie RB is pretty impressive in its own right
Yea, it's not like there's any actual meaning to the award. It's kinda used just for PR for people that don't really follow the game in and out to bring lesser known, and slightly lesser successes to the fore for a bit. At least, in basketball and football.
Another thing for why I could see voting for another coach, most of the differential related stats are directly correlated to strength of schedule/defense opposed and the Patriots schedule definitely was a little heavy on the buttercups this season. What was the final differential count for their 6 against the Bills/Jets/(and somehow playoff caliber) Dolphins? If they didn't draw the short straw and have to face the NFC East or AFC West, you can lock the best team in the AFC East for a top 4 differential every year.
I keep hearing the Pats had an easy schedule.
They were 9th in the league, and the win pct differential between the Pats and Falcons was like .022
The Packers had the easiest schedule in the league and nobody brings that up.
I was bearish on the Packers all season long, and booked many Packers to win futures, so you're using that argument with the wrong guy . Rodgers defied my expectations in Dallas, but I was confident that Packers defense wasn't gonna be able to do much against the best in league Falcons. I've ridden the Patriots to this point (wrongly taking the 15.5 with the Texans), but I just don't see the same brilliance with them on the field as the Falcons. The fact I'm getting laid a price just strengthens the side for me to be on, albeit the price is not enough to make it a monster play and probably a game I'd skip wagering on if it weren't the Super Bowl. I just think the fact the Falcons had a tougher schedule, and still were a full touchdown better than the next best offense during the regular season is a pretty strong signal for prognosticating efforts.
My statement above was directly related to how differential gets gamed by SoS, and can't really be used in a vacuum. When I write up my class rankings, margin of victory and SoS are very important attributes for my maths.
The Patriots don't play like any other team in the league and haven't for almost 2 decades.
They're actually kind of utilitarian and spartan, to be honest. But they've shut down the best receivers and runningbacks in the league time and time again, week after week, year after year. They have the 2nd best ranked secondary in the league behind the Broncos, despite not having any standout superstars.
And just like that, they'll do a flea-flicker and get a 40 yd td on your ass when you ain't looking.
No, they don't have the flash-bang brilliance of the Falcons, and yeah this is easily the hardest team the Pats have faced all year. But I also firmly believe the opposite to be true.
I've mentioned it before, but not sure if I stated this fact:
You can better predict a teams defensive output by looking at coaches averages than players. Defense is where coaching has tremendous impact. So your statement above is very true and a causative indicator of this would be how much better the Patriots defensive coordination and preparedness is. Signal stealing never hurts a defenses output either.
I'm not gonna argue that the Patriots have the best front office and coaching staff in the game. That's a fools errand. What I'm interested in talking about is why, and how come all of the prodigal sons of Belichick have had such poor track records after leaving the team. It really is bizarre how dominant the Patriots have been with Belichick. It's why I won't argue with him being the GOAT in the most skilled position in football, I just am impatient for the post retirement revelations on HOW. And how much truth and rules bending it took.
Bill OBrian has been doing a fine job in Houston. 3rd year coaching, made play offs 2 years in a row....
I mean, Texans arent great, but not bad either.
Does the addictive nature of gambling/fantasy blind us to the lopsided competition,
Since I do neither, no.
And it doesn't seem like you're too invested in the game either.
Really not sure where you're getting that from.
Because I haven't seen you post much in this thread recently or engage with the conversation I was trying to have about the game, rather then some semantical tangent.
With the statement you edited to quote from context was rhetorical, I was wondering if the vested interests in the league has let the NFL coast in recent times, and offered those as possible reasons for why. The league is very heavily invested in fantasy sports, and the appearance of impartiality that suits gambling endeavors, even if you personally are not.
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Jones will be double covered all night, Butler and a safety at all times.
I will admit tho... Jones is a scary motherfucker.
9 catches, 180 yards, 2 TDs...
Oh wait, that was chris hogan
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Just saying.
Yeah, we've got some damn good secondary players. Consistent.
Haha yeah, jones is just a liiiittle more likely than hogan to duplicate that line in two weeks
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I think we're gonna see ground game vs Atlanta.
If they have an achilles heel, that would be it.
Luke Bryan is singing the national anthem at the Super Bowl.
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Yeah, first Super Bowl I can remember seeing was the '85 Bears making Eason and the Pats their bitch, and now I'll be not watching the 7th TB12 appearance in an SB.
May Giselle catch him cheating and cut him off from her $300+ million.
~ Buckaroo Banzai
Literally no evidence
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Oh, right. The late '90s are a blur for me.
Also, I only went one page back. Was Bob Kraft drunk when he addressed the fans? Because he was clearly slurring (heh). Either that, or he had an undocumented stroke. Also also, what was he trying to get the fans to say?
Absolutely ridiculous.
Kraft tried to go shot-for-shot with Gronk.
"Hey Mr. Kraft, how about we take a shot every time we make a third down stop and every time we score?"
That Belichick was missing his best player for four games, his second best player missed half of the season and wasn't at full strength in the games he did play, finished the season with the best scoring defense, finished the season with the third best scoring offense, had a final point differential (+191) that was 54 points above the #2 team (Atlanta, +134) - a margin of victory of about 12 points per game, went 14-2, and that wasn't enough to win COTY?
Belichick is graded on one hell of a curve. "The Patriots are good every year" is somehow something that works against him in COTY voting.
COTY always goes to coach who most outperforms expectations, and voter fatigue also sets in. otherwise it would be bill and gregg popovich every year. plus 13-3 and a 1 seed with a rookie QB and rookie RB is pretty impressive in its own right
maybe i'm streaming terrible dj right now if i am its here
Yea, it's not like there's any actual meaning to the award. It's kinda used just for PR for people that don't really follow the game in and out to bring lesser known, and slightly lesser successes to the fore for a bit. At least, in basketball and football.
Another thing for why I could see voting for another coach, most of the differential related stats are directly correlated to strength of schedule/defense opposed and the Patriots schedule definitely was a little heavy on the buttercups this season. What was the final differential count for their 6 against the Bills/Jets/(and somehow playoff caliber) Dolphins? If they didn't draw the short straw and have to face the NFC East or AFC West, you can lock the best team in the AFC East for a top 4 differential every year.
I keep hearing the Pats had an easy schedule.
They were 9th in the league, and the win pct differential between the Pats and Falcons was like .022
The Packers had the easiest schedule in the league and nobody brings that up.
we did have the easiest schedule vs opposing pass offenses by DVOA, but overall, the schedule wasn't super easy
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we did have an easy schedule
maybe i'm streaming terrible dj right now if i am its here
Half the teams we faced were good last year.
Dunno what happened.
Is it realistic to expect more? Is this the nature of the game, or did this train fall off the tracks at some point?
I have my opinions on these things, especially when you broaden the sample size to compare to other sporting endeavors (Soccer/Horses/F1), but I'm curious as to how you all feel about the current health of sport in football.
Here's SOS by opponent win/loss. Note that the Falcons and the 49ers are tied for #1 most difficult schedule. As Jungleroomx noted, the Patriots are #9. The Packers had it easiest, but even the Steelers are down there at #23. Also note the Seahawks were tied for 5th - they did pretty good against a pretty touch schedule.
I was bearish on the Packers all season long, and booked many Packers to win futures, so you're using that argument with the wrong guy
My statement above was directly related to how differential gets gamed by SoS, and can't really be used in a vacuum. When I write up my class rankings, margin of victory and SoS are very important attributes for my maths.
Since I do neither, no.
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He was definitely drunk. He usually is at least tipsy for these things
He was going for Win "One More" which is the playoff slogan for the Patriots this year. It definitely has me paranoid that Brady might retire
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The Patriots don't play like any other team in the league and haven't for almost 2 decades.
They're actually kind of utilitarian and spartan, to be honest. But they've shut down the best receivers and runningbacks in the league time and time again, week after week, year after year. They have the 2nd best ranked secondary in the league behind the Broncos, despite not having any standout superstars.
And just like that, they'll do a flea-flicker and get a 40 yd td on your ass when you ain't looking.
No, they don't have the flash-bang brilliance of the Falcons, and yeah this is easily the hardest team the Pats have faced all year. But I also firmly believe the opposite to be true.
Clearly the teams they actually played in their division this year, were substantially worse than the teams people thought they would be playing. Just the difference in performance by their divisional opponents, drops 18 wins off their opponents, putting them down in like 19th Panthers drop another 9 off putting them in last. Obviously some other teams they played gained wins, but since you play your division twice that drop off had a huge effect..
http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2017/1/2/14147148/2017-nfl-strength-of-schedule-for-all-32-nfl-teams
Has the final numbers.
Team Rank Opp Win %
Oakland(#2) 0.576
KC(#4) 0.564
MIA(#6) 0.547
NYG(#9) 0.535
Dal(#10) 0.531
NE(#12) 0.527
ATL(#16) 0.494
SEA(#19) 0.482
GB(#20) 0.480
DET(#23) 0.469
PIT (#27) 0.453
HOU(#30) 0.439
SF was #14 at .502 Opp winning % the last team playing against over 500 competition, Denver was #1(0.578), Indy was #32(0.424).
And it doesn't seem like you're too invested in the game either. Or as invested as the league would like you to be! Football!
I've mentioned it before, but not sure if I stated this fact:
You can better predict a teams defensive output by looking at coaches averages than players. Defense is where coaching has tremendous impact. So your statement above is very true and a causative indicator of this would be how much better the Patriots defensive coordination and preparedness is. Signal stealing never hurts a defenses output either.
I'm not gonna argue that the Patriots have the best front office and coaching staff in the game. That's a fools errand. What I'm interested in talking about is why, and how come all of the prodigal sons of Belichick have had such poor track records after leaving the team. It really is bizarre how dominant the Patriots have been with Belichick. It's why I won't argue with him being the GOAT in the most skilled position in football, I just am impatient for the post retirement revelations on HOW. And how much truth and rules bending it took.
The signal stealing didn't do the Jets any favors.
I can't answer as to why they didn't do as well outside of his coaching umbrella, but if we're going to speculate on conspiracy theories and ufo stories then I think I'll see myself out.
Dude, you make it entirely too fun for people to bash the Patriots, you're just gonna keep getting taunted about the rule bending the Patriots very much have done with reactions like that. It isn't even technically against the rules to signal steal, depending on what degree of espionage/action is taken to intercept said signals. It's why every coordinating coach on the sidelines has their clipboard and covers their lips when they're talking playcalls or strategy.
Really not sure where you're getting that from.
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Bill OBrian has been doing a fine job in Houston. 3rd year coaching, made play offs 2 years in a row....
I mean, Texans arent great, but not bad either.
Because I haven't seen you post much in this thread recently or engage with the conversation I was trying to have about the game, rather then some semantical tangent.
With the statement you edited to quote from context was rhetorical, I was wondering if the vested interests in the league has let the NFL coast in recent times, and offered those as possible reasons for why. The league is very heavily invested in fantasy sports, and the appearance of impartiality that suits gambling endeavors, even if you personally are not.