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The other destroyers could have been Victory class, which are considerably smaller than Imperial class destroyers.
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The other destroyers could have been Victory class, which are considerably smaller than Imperial class destroyers.
Nah those have visual distinctions and haven't actually been brought back into canon as far as I am aware. They were just Imperial-I Class that were far away.
Wow, I thought the Nebulon-B class was a lot larger than it actually is.
There are massive discrepancies in lots of ship sizes and the Nebulon-B is hit hard. Mainly because of the shot of the window Luke and Leia stand in and the Falcon docked to it.
The Star Destroyer also makes no sense due to the Falcon clamping onto the back of the bridge tower. If you base it off the known Falcon's length, they are way smaller than the given size.
Also there is some MASSIVE GR-75 rebel transport in the battle of Endor. Bigger than several other capital ships.
Mainly this is just because of the matting for the special effects and because they generally only had one model for each ship and none were in scale to each other so all the scaling was done with the mats by hand.
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The visual distinction should are the engines, yeah? And, I mean, they still could be Victory class ships since nothing was ever directly referred to as such in the movies.
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The visual distinction should are the engines, yeah? And, I mean, they still could be Victory class ships since nothing was ever directly referred to as such in the movies.
Victories have big wing extensions on the sides, a big sensor spar sticking out straight from the bridge and a long antenna on top as well as a bump out in the center of the bridge tower.
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Huh. I only have Victory class memories from the TCG and I don't recall any of those features on the card.
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The main reason they aren't Victories is that the people on the message board for the Star Wars Armada miniatures game would have been freaking the fuck out at a massive rate since the movie release. It is the only current thing to make use of them.
I wonder if that scene influenced the design or if the design influenced the scene. Because it looks like a dagger.
Well it first appeared in ESB so I'd guess the latter.
While I think you're right, weren't ESB and RotJ filmed back to back, Lord of the Rings style?
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I wonder if that scene influenced the design or if the design influenced the scene. Because it looks like a dagger.
Well it first appeared in ESB so I'd guess the latter.
While I think you're right, weren't ESB and RotJ filmed back to back, Lord of the Rings style?
Yes and no.
There are lots of elements that are indicative that RotJ was more rushed than planned out, and possibly took ideas from the latter trilogy and mashed them up into the big climax. Things like the Emperor suddenly showing up in person or Leia suddenly being the lost Skywalker.
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So I just did the trench run in Battlefront from start to finish in one life
That game can be pretty good
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Took a day off. But now, SEASON 4 MOTHERFUCKA (thpoilerth)
...so is it just me or do a lot of planets in this Republic still get ruled by a semi-hereditary monarchy? Especially on Mon Calamari, of all planets, which I always interpreted as a combination of the Peacekeepers and University from Alpha Centauri. I know a big thing about the reason the Empire was able to take control is that the Republic really was something of a garbage fire of corruption even before the Clone Wars broke out (so completely unlike the real world, haha), but I have to wonder if the presence of so many planetary governments that weren't actually elected by the people contributed to either people's resentment of them, or to their willingness to knuckle under to an Emperor's authority. Liked the episodes, and maybe it's just me but kind of like playing them in video games, undersea battles in movies and TV always feel like either tryhard space battles or just a lot less epic and a lot more annoying to watch/play than the concept sounds. The first battle is far more the former than the latter; the underwater propulsion things are cool and based, presumably, on similar devices in the real world (but far more powerful and with blasters on them), but it makes them look a bit silly. I will also add that for once the Gungans got used well. Pretty good set of eps.
...and Jesus Christ I think they've learned their lesson but then they make an episode that's 95% Gungan and holy shit who didn't realize the fact that they're a species-wide minstrel show? And as if Grievous weren't enough of a pathetic douchebag in episode 3, all the good work Clone Wars has done building him back up is undone when he's beaten by Gungans.Gungans. Tarpals got a proper death scene, I suppose, but at least you could believe the Ewoks as vicious little bastards. Maybe I'm being unfair--the Gungans aren't complete clowns (they just sound like their dialog was written and performed by racists), just Jar Jar is, and the evidence is they beat Grievous. Still, it's grating.
R2 and 3P0...I dunno, maybe I'm getting a bit old and curmudgeonly, but I'm utterly bored of 3P0 Mr. Magooing his way through trouble and R2 helping him out when he gets stuck in a long-suffering sort of way. Utterly forgettable and entirely pointless. Their power-down scene even felt more moving when it was in the fucking Spongebob Squarepants movie.
After that, back to the war proper. Umbara: pretty cool. General Krell: diiiiiiick. I'm kinda annoyed that the biggest dick in the series thus far--possibly bigger than even Dooku or Sidious--is not just a coldhearted bastard who sees clones as disposable (and there are probably plenty of generals in real life who have had such a callous attitude about their troops) but a traitor to the Republic.
An aside: as the series progresses I have come to a conclusion--Dee Bradley Baker never winning some sort of award for Clone Wars is a cryin' shame.
The "friendly fire" sequence was genuinely heartrending. Was that engineered by Sidious, I wonder? Part of a plan to drive a wedge between the clones and any Jedi but Anakin? Was it really just Krell's idea to get himself in with the Separatists? Whatever the reason, he's pretty badass in a fight, and I'm annoyed that it always seems to be the one-off bad guys who get the cool and unique fighting styles. Still, good riddance, and he deserved worse.
I expected Anakin to flip out in the first episode of the Zygerrian arc; him keeping control as long as he did impressed me. He's clearly not to Vader levels of internalized rage yet. But I have to admit, I've never understood the presence of slavery in the Star Wars galaxy, at least not for manual labor---they have droids. As a political punishment, sure, as well as...other reasons that can only be alluded to on a kid's show, it makes a twisted amount of sense, but it's not something to hang an economy on when you have cheap and endlessly replaceable machines that are just as if not more capable of doing any menial task. This is not to say I didn't like the arc, and for some reason cat-people with quasi-Russian accents having a culture of slavery makes a weird sort of sense, but it always struck me as evil shitheads being evil shitheads for the sake of being evil shitheads. And then the past year happened in the real world and welp.
Surprise Deathwatch episode! Though I shouldn't be surprised, this is like the third Mandalore episode since the last time the Deathwatch appeared. It's also good to see a follow up from Padme's I-suddenly-got-a-mentor-oops-she's-suddenly-dead episode, even if Padme barely featured. Also the Darksaber is growing on me. And it's always good to see it hammered home that Mandalore's glorious past was in fact a bunch of violent thugs being violent thugs and then seeing the atavistic throwbacks to said violent thugs getting smacked around a bit.
Clever as it was, it was quite shortsighted--as Yoda noted--for them to take such a deceptive turn. I could hear the faintest strains of the Imperial March at Obi-Wan's "funeral", and the rest of the story wouldn't have set my mind at ease on that score even if I'd never seen heard of episode 3 or the original trilogy. Obi-Wan impersonating the bounty hunter...interesting, as well as the underworld double-crosses (THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE NICE HAT), and un-double-crosses, and reverse-triple-crosses. I do love honor-among-thieves stories. And it's amusing how many of Palpatine's plans involve him getting kidnapped. I'm honestly wondering if the dude was just really jonesing to get his Sith on when no one was looking.
And so we come to the end of season 4, and the big reveal that I had spoiled for me a while go: Drider Maul (who soon turns to be just RoboMaul). It's kind of surprising that the extermination of the Nightsisters happened almost entirely offscreen, but it's understandable that might be a bit too much for a kids' show beyond a few flashes. I liked that Asajj, Anakin, and Dooku all sensed what was happening (and Anakin and Dooku even used the same word for it; and when Dooku calls something sinister you know shit's about to go down). This was the first season finale to really feel like one, and I'm impressed (though I should be more unimpressed with Lucas, I suppose) that a kid's show managed to give Maul more characterization than the movie. That was probably because relatively little happened plotwise after the first part where Ventress does a job with Boba's crew; it was almost all character development, aside from the action beats: the advantages of a serial TV show. Which, making it feel like a proper season finale despite there being only one major plot development is quite an impressive feat.
Season 5 ahoy! Hopefully I finish before my roommate's Netflix trial runs out!
After that, back to the war proper. Umbara: pretty cool. General Krell: diiiiiiick. I'm kinda annoyed that the biggest dick in the series thus far--possibly bigger than even Dooku or Sidious--is not just a coldhearted bastard who sees clones as disposable (and there are probably plenty of generals in real life who have had such a callous attitude about their troops) but a traitor to the Republic.
It really felt like the show WANTED Krell to just be an asshole, and then at some point someone told them nono, if he's bad he has to be a secret Sith.
I really liked the deception involved in Obi-wan's fake death. The Jedi council is cool with not telling Anakin about it because A) they've never particularly trusted him anyway, and hey it's all for the greater good, the jedi are all about the greater good, so he'll be fine once he eventually is told Obi-Wan is alive. But of course Clone Wars has shown multiple times that Anakin's heroic flaw is making connections to people and not wanting to let go of them, and Anakin's ensuing bitterness at being used as a grieving prop by the council is not just going to go away. Anakin's getting angrier and angrier.
A trap is for fish: when you've got the fish, you can forget the trap. A snare is for rabbits: when you've got the rabbit, you can forget the snare. Words are for meaning: when you've got the meaning, you can forget the words.
I wonder if that scene influenced the design or if the design influenced the scene. Because it looks like a dagger.
I bet it was way more fun to plan out the space battles in the OT compared to now with all the CGI. ( Tho I hope they still go old school for the planning at least!)
I'm just picturing it all being planned by a bunch of folks running around with all the models going Ptew ptew !
For the space shots of Rouge one they built the whole environment with the ships in it up to a reasonably rendered degree and then synced that digital model with a camera so Gareth Edwards could move the camera in realtime throughout the space during the battles and other space scenes.
I did a bit of research and just assumed that it was
2 victory class star destroyers at the end, then Vader's Imperial class Star Destroyer jumps in and wastes everyone because YOLO, I'm Darth Vader and of course I get a bigger ship.
Was the Star Destroyer above jedha an Imperial class Star Destroyer. Could have sworn those couldn't do atmospheric flight?
A bit slow to get off the ground but by the final act it was hella tense.
Also fair play to the director for having the conviction to go with
Everyone dies, there's no happy ending here.
Also, the Vader as Sith terminator scene was equal parts brilliant to watch and fucking brutal.
My favorite aspect of this movie is that the narrative figuratively and literally creates a mountain of bodies that are climbed until the very peak where the final one reaches through a crack in a door to get the plans through.
When I was thinking back on it, I was disappointed that we didn't get more characterization from the main cast, but whether or not this was intended, I actually think it fits thematically that you don't. At the end of the day, the main crew are no different from that final corridor of nameless rebel soldiers. They're just more bodies to the pile to try and stop this tyrannical, overpowering force. I just, really liked it.
I did a bit of research and just assumed that it was
2 victory class star destroyers at the end, then Vader's Imperial class Star Destroyer jumps in and wastes everyone because YOLO, I'm Darth Vader and of course I get a bigger ship.
Was the Star Destroyer above jedha an Imperial class Star Destroyer. Could have sworn those couldn't do atmospheric flight?
Star Destroyers
not being able to do atmospheric flight might be something from the Eu that got kicked out? There are als STs that do that in Rebels.
I would prefer a universe where enormous ships like the Star Destroyer couldn't easily hover in-atmosphere like it wasn't a big deal and that wingless ion-engine-powered fighters like the TIEs had much less range, speed, and maneuverability when fighting gravity and air resistance. Star Wars has decided that it is not that kind of universe and I accept that.
Yeah I keep forgetting that they jettisoned the EU and are just keeping what works.
As much as nerd me loves all the different variants of Star Destroyer, it would be confusing for a lot of people. So a few variants of star destroyer and they all work in atmosphere is much simpler.
I would prefer a universe where enormous ships like the Star Destroyer couldn't easily hover in-atmosphere like it wasn't a big deal and that wingless ion-engine-powered fighters like the TIEs had much less range, speed, and maneuverability when fighting gravity and air resistance. Star Wars has decided that it is not that kind of universe and I accept that.
Oh for sure, I'm not mad about it or anything, but it was my first thought when I saw it and although I accept it, I can't stop thinking about it.
So, I finally saw Rogue One this afternoon. (Long story.)
To say that the movie's message, about the need to have hope and to resist tyranny, has taken on some additional significance since its release - particularly in just the last week or so - would be an understatement. One about the size of a small moon.
It was great seeing Red and Gold (and Blue!) in action again, for the first time. And early on, when that Imperial transport rolled on screen and right off the pages of a West End Games sourcebook, I was grinning ear to ear. (As many others have noted, the whole thing felt very much like one of those classic adventures/campaigns.)
Including the part where one PC buys it due to an unlucky (for them) grenade toss. Or, earlier, on Eadu, when the split-up PCs all decide to do their own thing without informing each other.
The CGI character with the most screentime - no, not K2 - was quite convincing, to me. The one right at the end... not so much. Ah well.
*"Handy chart" used here as a marketing term, actual chart is incredibly hard to navigate
forgive me for bringing Doctor Who into a star wars thread; but my favourite thing about this chart is that if the TARDIS was on it, it would simultaneously be the smallest and biggest ship on the chart.
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Nah those have visual distinctions and haven't actually been brought back into canon as far as I am aware. They were just Imperial-I Class that were far away.
This will help explain it in a humorous manner.
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There are massive discrepancies in lots of ship sizes and the Nebulon-B is hit hard. Mainly because of the shot of the window Luke and Leia stand in and the Falcon docked to it.
The Star Destroyer also makes no sense due to the Falcon clamping onto the back of the bridge tower. If you base it off the known Falcon's length, they are way smaller than the given size.
Also there is some MASSIVE GR-75 rebel transport in the battle of Endor. Bigger than several other capital ships.
Mainly this is just because of the matting for the special effects and because they generally only had one model for each ship and none were in scale to each other so all the scaling was done with the mats by hand.
Victories have big wing extensions on the sides, a big sensor spar sticking out straight from the bridge and a long antenna on top as well as a bump out in the center of the bridge tower.
Those were for sure Imperial-I's same as Vader's.
Well it first appeared in ESB so I'd guess the latter.
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While I think you're right, weren't ESB and RotJ filmed back to back, Lord of the Rings style?
Yes and no.
There are lots of elements that are indicative that RotJ was more rushed than planned out, and possibly took ideas from the latter trilogy and mashed them up into the big climax. Things like the Emperor suddenly showing up in person or Leia suddenly being the lost Skywalker.
I know my general attitude and life going to shit did not help it
That game can be pretty good
...so is it just me or do a lot of planets in this Republic still get ruled by a semi-hereditary monarchy? Especially on Mon Calamari, of all planets, which I always interpreted as a combination of the Peacekeepers and University from Alpha Centauri. I know a big thing about the reason the Empire was able to take control is that the Republic really was something of a garbage fire of corruption even before the Clone Wars broke out (so completely unlike the real world, haha), but I have to wonder if the presence of so many planetary governments that weren't actually elected by the people contributed to either people's resentment of them, or to their willingness to knuckle under to an Emperor's authority. Liked the episodes, and maybe it's just me but kind of like playing them in video games, undersea battles in movies and TV always feel like either tryhard space battles or just a lot less epic and a lot more annoying to watch/play than the concept sounds. The first battle is far more the former than the latter; the underwater propulsion things are cool and based, presumably, on similar devices in the real world (but far more powerful and with blasters on them), but it makes them look a bit silly. I will also add that for once the Gungans got used well. Pretty good set of eps.
...and Jesus Christ I think they've learned their lesson but then they make an episode that's 95% Gungan and holy shit who didn't realize the fact that they're a species-wide minstrel show? And as if Grievous weren't enough of a pathetic douchebag in episode 3, all the good work Clone Wars has done building him back up is undone when he's beaten by Gungans. Gungans. Tarpals got a proper death scene, I suppose, but at least you could believe the Ewoks as vicious little bastards. Maybe I'm being unfair--the Gungans aren't complete clowns (they just sound like their dialog was written and performed by racists), just Jar Jar is, and the evidence is they beat Grievous. Still, it's grating.
R2 and 3P0...I dunno, maybe I'm getting a bit old and curmudgeonly, but I'm utterly bored of 3P0 Mr. Magooing his way through trouble and R2 helping him out when he gets stuck in a long-suffering sort of way. Utterly forgettable and entirely pointless. Their power-down scene even felt more moving when it was in the fucking Spongebob Squarepants movie.
After that, back to the war proper. Umbara: pretty cool. General Krell: diiiiiiick. I'm kinda annoyed that the biggest dick in the series thus far--possibly bigger than even Dooku or Sidious--is not just a coldhearted bastard who sees clones as disposable (and there are probably plenty of generals in real life who have had such a callous attitude about their troops) but a traitor to the Republic.
An aside: as the series progresses I have come to a conclusion--Dee Bradley Baker never winning some sort of award for Clone Wars is a cryin' shame.
The "friendly fire" sequence was genuinely heartrending. Was that engineered by Sidious, I wonder? Part of a plan to drive a wedge between the clones and any Jedi but Anakin? Was it really just Krell's idea to get himself in with the Separatists? Whatever the reason, he's pretty badass in a fight, and I'm annoyed that it always seems to be the one-off bad guys who get the cool and unique fighting styles. Still, good riddance, and he deserved worse.
I expected Anakin to flip out in the first episode of the Zygerrian arc; him keeping control as long as he did impressed me. He's clearly not to Vader levels of internalized rage yet. But I have to admit, I've never understood the presence of slavery in the Star Wars galaxy, at least not for manual labor---they have droids. As a political punishment, sure, as well as...other reasons that can only be alluded to on a kid's show, it makes a twisted amount of sense, but it's not something to hang an economy on when you have cheap and endlessly replaceable machines that are just as if not more capable of doing any menial task. This is not to say I didn't like the arc, and for some reason cat-people with quasi-Russian accents having a culture of slavery makes a weird sort of sense, but it always struck me as evil shitheads being evil shitheads for the sake of being evil shitheads. And then the past year happened in the real world and welp.
Surprise Deathwatch episode! Though I shouldn't be surprised, this is like the third Mandalore episode since the last time the Deathwatch appeared. It's also good to see a follow up from Padme's I-suddenly-got-a-mentor-oops-she's-suddenly-dead episode, even if Padme barely featured. Also the Darksaber is growing on me. And it's always good to see it hammered home that Mandalore's glorious past was in fact a bunch of violent thugs being violent thugs and then seeing the atavistic throwbacks to said violent thugs getting smacked around a bit.
Clever as it was, it was quite shortsighted--as Yoda noted--for them to take such a deceptive turn. I could hear the faintest strains of the Imperial March at Obi-Wan's "funeral", and the rest of the story wouldn't have set my mind at ease on that score even if I'd never seen heard of episode 3 or the original trilogy. Obi-Wan impersonating the bounty hunter...interesting, as well as the underworld double-crosses (THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE NICE HAT), and un-double-crosses, and reverse-triple-crosses. I do love honor-among-thieves stories. And it's amusing how many of Palpatine's plans involve him getting kidnapped. I'm honestly wondering if the dude was just really jonesing to get his Sith on when no one was looking.
And so we come to the end of season 4, and the big reveal that I had spoiled for me a while go: Drider Maul (who soon turns to be just RoboMaul). It's kind of surprising that the extermination of the Nightsisters happened almost entirely offscreen, but it's understandable that might be a bit too much for a kids' show beyond a few flashes. I liked that Asajj, Anakin, and Dooku all sensed what was happening (and Anakin and Dooku even used the same word for it; and when Dooku calls something sinister you know shit's about to go down). This was the first season finale to really feel like one, and I'm impressed (though I should be more unimpressed with Lucas, I suppose) that a kid's show managed to give Maul more characterization than the movie. That was probably because relatively little happened plotwise after the first part where Ventress does a job with Boba's crew; it was almost all character development, aside from the action beats: the advantages of a serial TV show. Which, making it feel like a proper season finale despite there being only one major plot development is quite an impressive feat.
Season 5 ahoy! Hopefully I finish before my roommate's Netflix trial runs out!
It really felt like the show WANTED Krell to just be an asshole, and then at some point someone told them nono, if he's bad he has to be a secret Sith.
I really liked the deception involved in Obi-wan's fake death. The Jedi council is cool with not telling Anakin about it because A) they've never particularly trusted him anyway, and
For the space shots of Rouge one they built the whole environment with the ships in it up to a reasonably rendered degree and then synced that digital model with a camera so Gareth Edwards could move the camera in realtime throughout the space during the battles and other space scenes.
It sounds and looks super fun:
https://filmschoolrejects.com/rogue-one-camera-technology
ew.com/article/2016/12/07/rogue-one-gareth-edwards-first-person-space-battle-x-wing-cockpit/
It really was.
A bit slow to get off the ground but by the final act it was hella tense.
Also fair play to the director for having the conviction to go with
Also, the Vader as Sith terminator scene was equal parts brilliant to watch and fucking brutal.
I did a bit of research and just assumed that it was
Was the Star Destroyer above jedha an Imperial class Star Destroyer. Could have sworn those couldn't do atmospheric flight?
When I was thinking back on it, I was disappointed that we didn't get more characterization from the main cast, but whether or not this was intended, I actually think it fits thematically that you don't. At the end of the day, the main crew are no different from that final corridor of nameless rebel soldiers. They're just more bodies to the pile to try and stop this tyrannical, overpowering force. I just, really liked it.
I'm making that up, fuck knows
Star Destroyers
As much as nerd me loves all the different variants of Star Destroyer, it would be confusing for a lot of people. So a few variants of star destroyer and they all work in atmosphere is much simpler.
Oh for sure, I'm not mad about it or anything, but it was my first thought when I saw it and although I accept it, I can't stop thinking about it.
6K res, I see. Very nice.
Only 24 fps though? Maybe they need to rethink their graphics settings.
I might die from that pun
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Missed the opportunity to say "Han Shot (First)"
24 fps is cinema standard unless you're doing entirely digital work.
Gaming joke.
I liked it.
To say that the movie's message, about the need to have hope and to resist tyranny, has taken on some additional significance since its release - particularly in just the last week or so - would be an understatement. One about the size of a small moon.
It was great seeing Red and Gold (and Blue!) in action again, for the first time. And early on, when that Imperial transport rolled on screen and right off the pages of a West End Games sourcebook, I was grinning ear to ear. (As many others have noted, the whole thing felt very much like one of those classic adventures/campaigns.)
The CGI character with the most screentime - no, not K2 - was quite convincing, to me. The one right at the end... not so much. Ah well.
forgive me for bringing Doctor Who into a star wars thread; but my favourite thing about this chart is that if the TARDIS was on it, it would simultaneously be the smallest and biggest ship on the chart.