*"Handy chart" used here as a marketing term, actual chart is incredibly hard to navigate
forgive me for bringing Doctor Who into a star wars thread; but my favourite thing about this chart is that if the TARDIS was on it, it would simultaneously be the smallest and biggest ship on the chart.
Would it though?
I mean, sure, it's got a dying star inside of it for a power source, but with the Time Lords tech, that might just be a very small star.
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I'm on the episode of Star Wars Oxygen where they're talking about "Yub Nub" and I hate it. I haaaaate it! The special edition song is so much better.
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*"Handy chart" used here as a marketing term, actual chart is incredibly hard to navigate
forgive me for bringing Doctor Who into a star wars thread; but my favourite thing about this chart is that if the TARDIS was on it, it would simultaneously be the smallest and biggest ship on the chart.
Would it though?
I mean, sure, it's got a dying star inside of it for a power source, but with the Time Lords tech, that might just be a very small star.
It changes from Doctor to Doctor and it's bigger on the inside than the outside. When something can be bigger on the inside than the outside, there aren't really any limits aside from budget for those internal dimensions. Maybe the War Doctor's TARDIS basically was an Eclipse-class Star Destroyer on the inside.
Rian Johnson on his inspirations for The Last Jedi in an interview with Empire (how fitting):
“Twelve O’Clock High was a big touchstone, for the feel and look of the aerial combat as well as the dynamic between the pilots,” Johnson told Empire when asked about the films he watched in preparation for The Last Jedi. “Three Outlaw Samurai for the feel of the sword-fighting, and the general sense of pulpy fun. And To Catch a Thief was a great film to rewatch, for the romantic scale and grandeur.”
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No, you can't tell the Empire all your secrets! This is Jedi survival 101!
Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
But man, a sequel that's as good, or close to as good, as this one is with all its DLC, would be very welcome
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(spoilred for spoilers, and length, because it really is a goddamn long post)
I didn't expect a Maul/Savage ep to have such enjoyable dialog, nor for the two of them to have such a complicated dynamic...and then Hondo made his appearance, and I realized, "Of course it has good dialog, it's actually a Hondo ep." "We are not Jedi! We are Lords! ...crime lords." "Traitors! Scum! I'm so proud." "I am...semi-speechless." "Leave you alone with the two crazies?1 Yeah, okay." And then the music during the duels seemed particularly epic. Also, what the fuck is Savage, anyway? To a friend, I referred to the process he went throug on Dathomir as "Captain Americafication", but it seems decidedly less wholesome than that (which, I shouldn't be surprised, Dathomir witchrcraft, etc). And then Sidious finds out Maul's alive and this shit gon' get gud.
Onderon is a world name I'm familiar with from the old EU...which Clone Wars was originally made under the auspices of, so I knew this had the potential to get weird from the start, though it was largely limited to using the wildlife as air support.s Anakin's coming along nicely towards Sithdom, although he couches his ideas in such reasonable rhetoric. And ooh Saw Gerrera! He's delightfully sketchy. And Lux is back, looks like he grew a brain stem. The king wears very Caesar-ish clothes and behaves in a properly PG-Caligulan way, paranoid and decadent. The first episode is a little derivative plot- and setting-wise, but some important character moments. Also Ahsoka walking around in a hood is kind of...hilarious, because even the battle droids started spotting the Togruta-shaped hood in the area before each incident. Given how Saw ended up I kind of expected Steela to die, but not that he was partly responsible for it; small wonder he's half-mad by Rogue One. Also Hondo! Yay Hondo.
The main problem I have with the Gathering storyline is the time-limit aspect. If the sun only rises every 19 days, that means a day on Ilum is nine and a half standard days. At the very least, the rotation of the plaent would be slow enough that should should have more than the few hours implied. They should have had a few days to find their crystal before the sun went down and the entrance to the cave froze over. I like Huyang; his speech patterns made me think of Yoda, a bit, and based on the revelation at the end of the arc I can see him teaching an impatient Yoda how to build his first saber (maybe Yoda's speech patterns are just archaic, not based on any sort of grammatical hiccup). And then Hondo! Yay Hondo, even if he was in bastard mode at first. He's very prominent this season. And oh look people being thrown into a vacuum in the happy cool-down-from-the-war episodes. They survived, so you don't have children complicit in murders (and despite copious action sequences the kids don't "kill" anything but droids, so that bullet remains dodged). And it only took a season and change but they finally made Grievous dangerous again. We know Ahsoka is a grade-A badass by this point so the fact that she had to run is impressive...and Hondo was delightfully pragmatic again. For a split second I was thinking, "They're in a ship with gigantic guns, and there's one dramatically in the foreground shot, and they're not going to shoot him, are they?" But no. Hondo. Hondo makes everything better.
Droids episode. Oddly delightful this time, possibly helped by Colonel Froggington (even when he was still a douchebag, the concept of his character was funny), or possibly the absence of 3P0, or maybe how even the most annoying character in the group reminded me of Wheatley and wasn't completely incompetent. Oh, and have I mentioned Clone Wars throws dark sometimes? Because the next episode we get to see someone lose they goddamn mind. The next episode starts off in a bit of a holding pattern but is full-on epic by the end. The episode after that answers a very important question I had from the last one, and has a very good and tense storyline all throughout with a good payoff, and I yet again found myself getting misty over a fucking droid. I ended up liking this arc a lot more than I thought I would at the start.
And then we get back to the Brothers Sith, who've joined up with Deathwatch. I was at first sad when I saw the return of our bounty hunter friends from earlier episodes on Nal Hutta, because I figured they'd die. But they're just there to look badass if outmatched and add flavor, so they escape; hooray! It's clear Maul was more than just Palpatine's pet animal; he thinks like a Sith, with far-reaching and complex plans. And then it becomes apparent that while evil triumphs because good is dumb, but good triumphs because evil are just a bunch of diiiicks. The Mandos, being Mandos, have just enough honor to fuck themselves up but not enough to actually be good people. Rebelling against Maul's rule, they force his hand, and then some side with Maul and some with their homeworld, and by my count now there are at least four factions on the dark side of the conflict. Or, at least, there were. Because Darth Sidious does not fuck around with this shit. He eliminates one of the dark side factions, or at least seriously cripples it, in a single night. And I was honestly surprised by a character death in the show.
And now we dive into darkness as the fifth season comes to a close. Anti-Jedi terrorism, people accused of using their own loved ones as living bombs, witnesses murdered, Jedi falsely accused and put on trial...I confess I was broadly spoiled for the ending shortly after the show originally aired. Like the whole thing, not just one part of it. It's still a gut punch. These episodes felt like, if episode 3 were a different kind of movie, they would be the absolute nadir of the Jedi Order. But they're not. There's still so much farther to fall. Chaos and corruption and death and they don't know what's going to happen next but you can tell they all know it's all gone wrong. No idea why that speaks to me right now. No idea at all.
So all that remains are the lost missions. I have a feeling I am going to has a sad when I'm done with them.
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I really wish naratively star destroyers couldn't enter the atmosphere. I think the idea of this huge powerful thing being unable to go somewhere makes the ideas of the rebels being effective so much more believeable.
I mean look at the effectiveness of having a destroyer in atmosphere in rogue one. Any time a destroyer shows up everything is fucking gone.
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I really wish naratively star destroyers couldn't enter the atmosphere. I think the idea of this huge powerful thing being unable to go somewhere makes the ideas of the rebels being effective so much more believeable.
I mean look at the effectiveness of having a destroyer in atmosphere in rogue one. Any time a destroyer shows up everything is fucking gone.
I took the Destroyer in Rogue One to have been specially fitted in order to 'dock' there for long periods, essentially.
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I never even thought Jake Lloyd did poorly. He was about on par for any child actor. Especially given the stupid dialog he had to work with, and that is 100% not Jake Lloyd's fault. *squints at George Lucas*
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yeah he sucked but nobody came out of that movie looking like a good actor, it's not his fault
He didn't look out of place in scenes with Liam Neeson, Natalie Portman, and Ewan McGregor. Those are perfectly fine actors and he fit right in with them in the movie. That's not saying they all did poorly or great, just that they all had the same material and direction to work with and those two things are what sucked.
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To be fair, a Star Destroyer could probably still bombard a target from orbit.
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To be fair, a Star Destroyer could probably still bombard a target from orbit.
in the old EU this was actually their primary purpose
Unless that target was primarily suns, that's some massive false advertising on the part of the Empire.
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I was in the uh....Seventh grade when Episode I came out so I still saw it about three times in theaters. I would have been only a year or two older than Jake Lloyd anyway. And my young as hell cousin who has seen all the Star Wars movies loves the shit out of the prequels.
Kids don't really care about the bad acting.
Damn manchildren though...
Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
To be fair, a Star Destroyer could probably still bombard a target from orbit.
in the old EU this was actually their primary purpose
Unless that target was primarily suns, that's some massive false advertising on the part of the Empire.
No, you're just reading it wrong. It's not a destroyer of stars, its a destroyer in the stars, as opposed to a destroyer in the sea, it's a descriptor of where you can find this particular destroyer.
Why not Space Destroyer then? Because the Empire likes to get poetic with their massive weapons. Otherwise it would have been a Death Dwarf Planet, which doesn't roll off the tongue at all.
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Yeah, considering how much Star Wars steals from WWII material to make itself great, the Star Destroyer title is clearly supposed to evoke both of dread about "That thing can destroy a star?" while actually referring to a Naval Destroyer adapted for the Stars.
EDIT: Though to be fair, Star Destroyers certainly act more like a hybrid between Carriers and Destroyers based on their ridiculous artillery and capacity for dumping massive amounts of ancillary dogfighters.
And also I guess a B-52 since they have the capacity to fire on a planet from orbit.
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I really wish naratively star destroyers couldn't enter the atmosphere. I think the idea of this huge powerful thing being unable to go somewhere makes the ideas of the rebels being effective so much more believeable.
I mean look at the effectiveness of having a destroyer in atmosphere in rogue one. Any time a destroyer shows up everything is fucking gone.
Did the SD in R1 actually do anything other than hover menacingly?
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I really wish naratively star destroyers couldn't enter the atmosphere. I think the idea of this huge powerful thing being unable to go somewhere makes the ideas of the rebels being effective so much more believeable.
I mean look at the effectiveness of having a destroyer in atmosphere in rogue one. Any time a destroyer shows up everything is fucking gone.
Did the SD in R1 actually do anything other than hover menacingly?
It held TIE Fighters and troopers, then left right before the Death Star blew up half the planet.
I think.
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I'm sure the people way more into flight physics than I could probably whip up an excuse
but I can't imagine that a Star Destroyer in atmosphere doesn't have much in the way of maneuverability
of course, if you park it in a good spot you essentially have carpet bombing with all those turbolasers
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Star Destroyers are more Dreadnoughts than Destroyers, honestly.
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Star Destroyers are more Dreadnoughts than Destroyers, honestly.
Can you explain this for me? I don't quite get the distinction.
Destroyers are designed around being fast and maneuverable. Dreadnaughts are designed around having the biggest guns.
But again, Star Dreadnaught doesn't sound as poetic.
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I'm sure the people way more into flight physics than I could probably whip up an excuse
but I can't imagine that a Star Destroyer in atmosphere doesn't have much in the way of maneuverability
of course, if you park it in a good spot you essentially have carpet bombing with all those turbolasers
If flight physics mattered, the Star Destroyer would never be in atmosphere in the first place.
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Star Destroyers are more Dreadnoughts than Destroyers, honestly.
Can you explain this for me? I don't quite get the distinction.
Destroyers are designed around being fast and maneuverable. Dreadnaughts are designed around having the biggest guns.
But again, Star Dreadnaught doesn't sound as poetic.
Han calls them Cruisers as well.
Names as designations have no relationship to earth terms.
Lucas probably picked up the names from watching movies and stuff only tangentially related to the subject and said "That's a cool name. Destroyer! But it doesn't sound space enough. Star Destroyer!".
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I mean, Luke's original last name was Starkiller.
So you're not wrong.
Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
If they have the technology for tractor beams then it wouldn't be too much of a reach to assume they use a similar technology to allow vehicles to repulse a planet's gravity. We saw very little in-atmo movement from the Star Destroyer in Rogue One, it kind of handled like a blimp.
EU-wise they were called replusors. It's why nothing has wheels and ships that are aerodynamically stupid can lift off.
Before following any advice, opinions, or thoughts I may have expressed in the above post, be warned: I found Keven Costners "Waterworld" to be a very entertaining film.
EU-wise they were called replusors. It's why nothing has wheels and ships that are aerodynamically stupid can lift off.
The mouse droids have wheels
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Would it though?
I mean, sure, it's got a dying star inside of it for a power source, but with the Time Lords tech, that might just be a very small star.
It changes from Doctor to Doctor and it's bigger on the inside than the outside. When something can be bigger on the inside than the outside, there aren't really any limits aside from budget for those internal dimensions. Maybe the War Doctor's TARDIS basically was an Eclipse-class Star Destroyer on the inside.
Well they did some backstory for him in Rebels and I am sure they will use him more as a sideline character or cleaning up the mess after
But man, a sequel that's as good, or close to as good, as this one is with all its DLC, would be very welcome
(spoilred for spoilers, and length, because it really is a goddamn long post)
Onderon is a world name I'm familiar with from the old EU...which Clone Wars was originally made under the auspices of, so I knew this had the potential to get weird from the start, though it was largely limited to using the wildlife as air support.s Anakin's coming along nicely towards Sithdom, although he couches his ideas in such reasonable rhetoric. And ooh Saw Gerrera! He's delightfully sketchy. And Lux is back, looks like he grew a brain stem. The king wears very Caesar-ish clothes and behaves in a properly PG-Caligulan way, paranoid and decadent. The first episode is a little derivative plot- and setting-wise, but some important character moments. Also Ahsoka walking around in a hood is kind of...hilarious, because even the battle droids started spotting the Togruta-shaped hood in the area before each incident. Given how Saw ended up I kind of expected Steela to die, but not that he was partly responsible for it; small wonder he's half-mad by Rogue One. Also Hondo! Yay Hondo.
The main problem I have with the Gathering storyline is the time-limit aspect. If the sun only rises every 19 days, that means a day on Ilum is nine and a half standard days. At the very least, the rotation of the plaent would be slow enough that should should have more than the few hours implied. They should have had a few days to find their crystal before the sun went down and the entrance to the cave froze over. I like Huyang; his speech patterns made me think of Yoda, a bit, and based on the revelation at the end of the arc I can see him teaching an impatient Yoda how to build his first saber (maybe Yoda's speech patterns are just archaic, not based on any sort of grammatical hiccup). And then Hondo! Yay Hondo, even if he was in bastard mode at first. He's very prominent this season. And oh look people being thrown into a vacuum in the happy cool-down-from-the-war episodes. They survived, so you don't have children complicit in murders (and despite copious action sequences the kids don't "kill" anything but droids, so that bullet remains dodged). And it only took a season and change but they finally made Grievous dangerous again. We know Ahsoka is a grade-A badass by this point so the fact that she had to run is impressive...and Hondo was delightfully pragmatic again. For a split second I was thinking, "They're in a ship with gigantic guns, and there's one dramatically in the foreground shot, and they're not going to shoot him, are they?" But no. Hondo. Hondo makes everything better.
Droids episode. Oddly delightful this time, possibly helped by Colonel Froggington (even when he was still a douchebag, the concept of his character was funny), or possibly the absence of 3P0, or maybe how even the most annoying character in the group reminded me of Wheatley and wasn't completely incompetent. Oh, and have I mentioned Clone Wars throws dark sometimes? Because the next episode we get to see someone lose they goddamn mind. The next episode starts off in a bit of a holding pattern but is full-on epic by the end. The episode after that answers a very important question I had from the last one, and has a very good and tense storyline all throughout with a good payoff, and I yet again found myself getting misty over a fucking droid. I ended up liking this arc a lot more than I thought I would at the start.
And then we get back to the Brothers Sith, who've joined up with Deathwatch. I was at first sad when I saw the return of our bounty hunter friends from earlier episodes on Nal Hutta, because I figured they'd die. But they're just there to look badass if outmatched and add flavor, so they escape; hooray! It's clear Maul was more than just Palpatine's pet animal; he thinks like a Sith, with far-reaching and complex plans. And then it becomes apparent that while evil triumphs because good is dumb, but good triumphs because evil are just a bunch of diiiicks. The Mandos, being Mandos, have just enough honor to fuck themselves up but not enough to actually be good people. Rebelling against Maul's rule, they force his hand, and then some side with Maul and some with their homeworld, and by my count now there are at least four factions on the dark side of the conflict. Or, at least, there were. Because Darth Sidious does not fuck around with this shit. He eliminates one of the dark side factions, or at least seriously cripples it, in a single night. And I was honestly surprised by a character death in the show.
And now we dive into darkness as the fifth season comes to a close. Anti-Jedi terrorism, people accused of using their own loved ones as living bombs, witnesses murdered, Jedi falsely accused and put on trial...I confess I was broadly spoiled for the ending shortly after the show originally aired. Like the whole thing, not just one part of it. It's still a gut punch. These episodes felt like, if episode 3 were a different kind of movie, they would be the absolute nadir of the Jedi Order. But they're not. There's still so much farther to fall. Chaos and corruption and death and they don't know what's going to happen next but you can tell they all know it's all gone wrong. No idea why that speaks to me right now. No idea at all.
So all that remains are the lost missions. I have a feeling I am going to has a sad when I'm done with them.
Satans..... hints.....
This is nice
People really were vicious to a little kid just cause he was bad in a movie
in the old EU this was actually their primary purpose
Unless that target was primarily suns, that's some massive false advertising on the part of the Empire.
Kids don't really care about the bad acting.
Damn manchildren though...
No, you're just reading it wrong. It's not a destroyer of stars, its a destroyer in the stars, as opposed to a destroyer in the sea, it's a descriptor of where you can find this particular destroyer.
Why not Space Destroyer then? Because the Empire likes to get poetic with their massive weapons. Otherwise it would have been a Death Dwarf Planet, which doesn't roll off the tongue at all.
EDIT: Though to be fair, Star Destroyers certainly act more like a hybrid between Carriers and Destroyers based on their ridiculous artillery and capacity for dumping massive amounts of ancillary dogfighters.
And also I guess a B-52 since they have the capacity to fire on a planet from orbit.
I think.
but I can't imagine that a Star Destroyer in atmosphere doesn't have much in the way of maneuverability
of course, if you park it in a good spot you essentially have carpet bombing with all those turbolasers
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Can you explain this for me? I don't quite get the distinction.
Destroyers are designed around being fast and maneuverable. Dreadnaughts are designed around having the biggest guns.
But again, Star Dreadnaught doesn't sound as poetic.
If flight physics mattered, the Star Destroyer would never be in atmosphere in the first place.
Thanks! One reason why I asked is because there is a Dreadnought Class ship in the Star Wars EU, and it's an Imperial ship:
I used to build them in Star Wars: Rebellion before I had the materials/research to build Star Destroyers of my own.
Han calls them Cruisers as well.
Names as designations have no relationship to earth terms.
Lucas probably picked up the names from watching movies and stuff only tangentially related to the subject and said "That's a cool name. Destroyer! But it doesn't sound space enough. Star Destroyer!".
So you're not wrong.
The mouse droids have wheels
As does Artoo! And almost every Astromech droid!