She's the one who decided to sell our nice xerox printer that never failed for a brother that's broken down 3 times because the toner for the xerox was like $150 a pop instead of $50 (it also lasted 3 times as long).
So we've easily lost money on that decision, but I was overridden after I crunched the numbers and brought up the report.
If MS was smart they'd do like they did with Apple and make a Nix version of Office.
Man, those Apple people sure snatched that Office shit up quick after years of saying it wasn't that good.
That's because for a long time Office on Mac was atrocious. It was a pure second class citizen to Windows Office. They fixed that with 2016, and parity does wonderful things.
I've often wondered about that.
Most of the Apple software on PC is garbo as well, most notably iTunes (They stopped making that for PC, right?)
Wouldn't surprise me if it were some kind of ass-backwards pissing contest.
iTunes on Mac is also garbage. It isn't just on windows. Basically, iTunes is a piece of trash.
If MS was smart they'd do like they did with Apple and make a Nix version of Office.
Man, those Apple people sure snatched that Office shit up quick after years of saying it wasn't that good.
That's because for a long time Office on Mac was atrocious. It was a pure second class citizen to Windows Office. They fixed that with 2016, and parity does wonderful things.
I've often wondered about that.
Most of the Apple software on PC is garbo as well, most notably iTunes (They stopped making that for PC, right?)
Wouldn't surprise me if it were some kind of ass-backwards pissing contest.
iTunes on Mac is also garbage. It isn't just on windows. Basically, iTunes is a piece of trash.
The state of media players is odd.
I actually went back to WMP because it's really not that bad anymore... but I wish there were better things.
I feel like most of the people who champion linux are wearing a dev hat at least part time.
Eh
Linux just earns some malice because everyone's like "YEAH BUT I WANT TO USE A UI NOT SIT IN CONSOLE" which is fair.
But you don't need to in linux, you can, of course, do that, if you choose. The best part about linux is, if some shit hits the fan I can do that without loading up some UI software or go into work. I can SSH from my fucking phone, hit some scripts or some commands and I'm on my way with my day. Doing that level of work with RDP remotely is annoying. Adding users? A single command, takes a few seconds to do. DNS entries? Just as easy, use vim or pico or emacs, whatever floats your boat.
not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
The Powershell scripting language gives me migraines.
Could they possibly have made it any more convoluted?
you guys are killing me
life's a game that you're bound to lose / like using a hammer to pound in screws
fuck up once and you break your thumb / if you're happy at all then you're god damn dumb
that's right we're on a fucked up cruise / God is dead but at least we have booze
bad things happen, no one knows why / the sun burns out and everyone dies
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microsoft would've been better off taking cygwin and tying .NET into it
bash doesn't do remotely the same thing that powershell does
life's a game that you're bound to lose / like using a hammer to pound in screws
fuck up once and you break your thumb / if you're happy at all then you're god damn dumb
that's right we're on a fucked up cruise / God is dead but at least we have booze
bad things happen, no one knows why / the sun burns out and everyone dies
life's a game that you're bound to lose / like using a hammer to pound in screws
fuck up once and you break your thumb / if you're happy at all then you're god damn dumb
that's right we're on a fucked up cruise / God is dead but at least we have booze
bad things happen, no one knows why / the sun burns out and everyone dies
Powershell 1.0 wasn't that great when it came out in 2008. There was also the fact that it wasn't super well integrated, and in true microsoft fashion they annoyed people with the 2007/2010 generation of products where there were some functions that you could *only* do in powershell and not the UI, and some functions that you could *only* do in the UI and not in powershell. They've evolved/fixed a lot of that over time and it's pretty great now.
then you also have the fact that since powershell only came out in 2008 you had basically every sysadmin who had never had it before look at it and say "this is terrible and I hate it." While kids these days(tm) now are learning powershell in school as they're learning windows server so they're more pre-disposed to using it because they're learning it at the base level.
While there are always exceptions to the rule, I generally find that people who have the biggest disdain for powershell are the old/old school sysadmins who didn't "grow up" with it, while people who did like it a lot more. I finished my schooling a couple years before powershell was a thing, but I fall closer to the camp who grew up with it as it was evolving and I really do like it.
I feel like most of the people who champion linux are wearing a dev hat at least part time.
Eh
Linux just earns some malice because everyone's like "YEAH BUT I WANT TO USE A UI NOT SIT IN CONSOLE" which is fair.
But you don't need to in linux, you can, of course, do that, if you choose. The best part about linux is, if some shit hits the fan I can do that without loading up some UI software or go into work. I can SSH from my fucking phone, hit some scripts or some commands and I'm on my way with my day. Doing that level of work with RDP remotely is annoying. Adding users? A single command, takes a few seconds to do. DNS entries? Just as easy, use vim or pico or emacs, whatever floats your boat.
Man, I dunno. Like, the whole purpose of linux, to me, is how straightforward working in bash is (ONCE I KNOW WHAT I'M DOING AND WHAT COMMANDS GET ME THERE.) And ultimately, that's the difference. If I want to be highly efficient at a task, so much so that a GUI comes between me and what I'm trying to do, oh my god doing it through a terminal in nix is so much better. But if I'm not sure exactly what needs to be done, a GUI is better, and if I'm GUIing then Windows is better.
Nix is better for admining, windows is better for workerbeeing, (and mac is better for deving). Straight up. And only the most masochistic nerds (so everyone in this thread) are going to spend all their time at work AND home mastering so many different things.
I feel like most of the people who champion linux are wearing a dev hat at least part time.
Eh
Linux just earns some malice because everyone's like "YEAH BUT I WANT TO USE A UI NOT SIT IN CONSOLE" which is fair.
But you don't need to in linux, you can, of course, do that, if you choose. The best part about linux is, if some shit hits the fan I can do that without loading up some UI software or go into work. I can SSH from my fucking phone, hit some scripts or some commands and I'm on my way with my day. Doing that level of work with RDP remotely is annoying. Adding users? A single command, takes a few seconds to do. DNS entries? Just as easy, use vim or pico or emacs, whatever floats your boat.
Man, I dunno. Like, the whole purpose of linux, to me, is how straightforward working in bash is (ONCE I KNOW WHAT I'M DOING AND WHAT COMMANDS GET ME THERE.) And ultimately, that's the difference. If I want to be highly efficient at a task, so much so that a GUI comes between me and what I'm trying to do, oh my god doing it through a terminal in nix is so much better. But if I'm not sure exactly what needs to be done, a GUI is better, and if I'm GUIing then Windows is better.
Nix is better for admining, windows is better for workerbeeing, (and mac is better for deving). Straight up. And only the most masochistic nerds (so everyone in this thread) are going to spend all their time at work AND home mastering so many different things.
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not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
That's what perl is for, vowels. Gosh do you even linux bro?
This is ultimately why programming langauges came about. The OS' shell wasn't really the right place to start scripting larger scale things like this.
it's backporting useful features that were created for programming into the shell in a way that makes a lot of sense
I mean, as an example, if I had ran some kind of reporting program (users, running processes, things like that) in bash it's going to give me a bunch of strings as output, maybe a csv or xml, right? Then if I want to narrow or search those I'm using grep or some third application designed to parse and search the file.
whereas in powershell you get back objects with structures
run get-process to get a report of all running processes, save it to a variable, and now you can play and filter it using the same set of tools you can use for anything else in the system. Filter for properties with where-object. Drill down using dot notation if you already know what the structure is. View the structure with select-object if you don't know it.
it makes the shell more than "enter command: receive text". It allows you to functionally interact with the outputs of the shell within the shell.
life's a game that you're bound to lose / like using a hammer to pound in screws
fuck up once and you break your thumb / if you're happy at all then you're god damn dumb
that's right we're on a fucked up cruise / God is dead but at least we have booze
bad things happen, no one knows why / the sun burns out and everyone dies
That's what perl is for, vowels. Gosh do you even linux bro?
This is ultimately why programming langauges came about. The OS' shell wasn't really the right place to start scripting larger scale things like this.
it's backporting useful features that were created for programming into the shell in a way that makes a lot of sense
I mean, as an example, if I had ran some kind of reporting program (users, running processes, things like that) in bash it's going to give me a bunch of strings as output, maybe a csv or xml, right? Then if I want to narrow or search those I'm using grep or some third application designed to parse and search the file.
whereas in powershell you get back objects with structures
run get-process to get a report of all running processes, save it to a variable, and now you can play and filter it using the same set of tools you can use for anything else in the system. Filter for properties with where-object. Drill down using dot notation if you already know what the structure is. View the structure with select-object if you don't know it.
it makes the shell more than "enter command: receive text". It allows you to functionally interact with the outputs of the shell within the shell.
YEAH BUT I COULDN'T START A PROGRAM REMOTELY VOWELS
not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
That's what perl is for, vowels. Gosh do you even linux bro?
This is ultimately why programming langauges came about. The OS' shell wasn't really the right place to start scripting larger scale things like this.
it's backporting useful features that were created for programming into the shell in a way that makes a lot of sense
I mean, as an example, if I had ran some kind of reporting program (users, running processes, things like that) in bash it's going to give me a bunch of strings as output, maybe a csv or xml, right? Then if I want to narrow or search those I'm using grep or some third application designed to parse and search the file.
whereas in powershell you get back objects with structures
run get-process to get a report of all running processes, save it to a variable, and now you can play and filter it using the same set of tools you can use for anything else in the system. Filter for properties with where-object. Drill down using dot notation if you already know what the structure is. View the structure with select-object if you don't know it.
it makes the shell more than "enter command: receive text". It allows you to functionally interact with the outputs of the shell within the shell.
YEAH BUT I COULDN'T START A PROGRAM REMOTELY VOWELS
yeah because that program should have been a service and not a program
don't blame powershell because you wanted to break window's security model and it wouldn't let you
life's a game that you're bound to lose / like using a hammer to pound in screws
fuck up once and you break your thumb / if you're happy at all then you're god damn dumb
that's right we're on a fucked up cruise / God is dead but at least we have booze
bad things happen, no one knows why / the sun burns out and everyone dies
That's what perl is for, vowels. Gosh do you even linux bro?
This is ultimately why programming langauges came about. The OS' shell wasn't really the right place to start scripting larger scale things like this.
it's backporting useful features that were created for programming into the shell in a way that makes a lot of sense
I mean, as an example, if I had ran some kind of reporting program (users, running processes, things like that) in bash it's going to give me a bunch of strings as output, maybe a csv or xml, right? Then if I want to narrow or search those I'm using grep or some third application designed to parse and search the file.
whereas in powershell you get back objects with structures
run get-process to get a report of all running processes, save it to a variable, and now you can play and filter it using the same set of tools you can use for anything else in the system. Filter for properties with where-object. Drill down using dot notation if you already know what the structure is. View the structure with select-object if you don't know it.
it makes the shell more than "enter command: receive text". It allows you to functionally interact with the outputs of the shell within the shell.
YEAH BUT I COULDN'T START A PROGRAM REMOTELY VOWELS
yeah because that program should have been a service and not a program
don't blame powershell because you wanted to break window's security model and it wouldn't let you
That's more a problem with the Windows security model then it is a pro for powershell.
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Mostly just huntin' monsters.
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This is why Windows 8 got shit on, much to the chagrin of literally all the babby system admins the tried pretending it wasn't the worst shit that was ever dumped onto consumers ever.
Amazing fucking tablet experience.
Shitty fucking desktop experience. Even linux is better.
bowen on
not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
but integrating objects and .net into it was bizarre as fuck
just like
make managing windows suck less, not a hard concept
can you add users from the command line?
can you make groups?
add DNS?
edit text files
that's like the barest minimum you need to shoot for and it still sucks in powershell
yes
yes
yes (probably? I've never messed with that tbh)
there's a version of nano for windows
life's a game that you're bound to lose / like using a hammer to pound in screws
fuck up once and you break your thumb / if you're happy at all then you're god damn dumb
that's right we're on a fucked up cruise / God is dead but at least we have booze
bad things happen, no one knows why / the sun burns out and everyone dies
PowerShell has a lot of utility. I've personally just not had much opportunity to play with it since being introduced to it briefly in a Windows Admin class in college.
Most of the time people just use Excel around here to make lists in table format.
Because tables in Word are just too hard.
Personally, I use Excel for tables because I don't feel like wasting time on creating the columns in Word when Excel already has them since I'm not going to be printing it anyway. Still stupid easy to use Word, though.
If MS was smart they'd do like they did with Apple and make a Nix version of Office.
Man, those Apple people sure snatched that Office shit up quick after years of saying it wasn't that good.
That's because for a long time Office on Mac was atrocious. It was a pure second class citizen to Windows Office. They fixed that with 2016, and parity does wonderful things.
I've often wondered about that.
Most of the Apple software on PC is garbo as well, most notably iTunes (They stopped making that for PC, right?)
Wouldn't surprise me if it were some kind of ass-backwards pissing contest.
iTunes on Mac is also garbage. It isn't just on windows. Basically, iTunes is a piece of trash.
The state of media players is odd.
I actually went back to WMP because it's really not that bad anymore... but I wish there were better things.
Maybe there are and I just don't know about them.
VLC Media Player. Not all that easy to use for end users for more advanced features, but I've successfully taught several of our users the basics and it went very smoothly, and our users like that it plays videos better than WMP, which makes it fantastic for presentations to the board.
Also I guess there's no proper music library management in VLC, either. But I've not really needed that.
Ultimately I am asking the shell for information. I then can decide what to do with that info and there are a lot of ways for me to use it.
With Powershell you are constrained to the objects they decided for you. It bothers me.
as opposed to the text it decides for you?
it's the same arbitrary information just packaged in a way that makes it easier to use
life's a game that you're bound to lose / like using a hammer to pound in screws
fuck up once and you break your thumb / if you're happy at all then you're god damn dumb
that's right we're on a fucked up cruise / God is dead but at least we have booze
bad things happen, no one knows why / the sun burns out and everyone dies
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This is p much it in a nutshell.
I am not a dev.
I love Linux. I've been using it since 96 on a personal level and my personal PC only runs Linux.
I'm an outlier though and am just a huge nerd.
Hasn't translated to any job stuff though. I need a cert for that I guess.
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iTunes on Mac is also garbage. It isn't just on windows. Basically, iTunes is a piece of trash.
Well you're a fucking weirdo and you don't count.
The state of media players is odd.
I actually went back to WMP because it's really not that bad anymore... but I wish there were better things.
Maybe there are and I just don't know about them.
Eh
Linux just earns some malice because everyone's like "YEAH BUT I WANT TO USE A UI NOT SIT IN CONSOLE" which is fair.
But you don't need to in linux, you can, of course, do that, if you choose. The best part about linux is, if some shit hits the fan I can do that without loading up some UI software or go into work. I can SSH from my fucking phone, hit some scripts or some commands and I'm on my way with my day. Doing that level of work with RDP remotely is annoying. Adding users? A single command, takes a few seconds to do. DNS entries? Just as easy, use vim or pico or emacs, whatever floats your boat.
I also bought a used server(and a rack of cisco equipment) to virtualize out more Linux machines on demand.
edit: I like computing as a concept. If I'd not been an idiot kid I'd be in comp sci research right now.
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Thunderbird with IMAP is a much better outlook than outlook could ever hope to be.
you guys are killing me
fuck up once and you break your thumb / if you're happy at all then you're god damn dumb
that's right we're on a fucked up cruise / God is dead but at least we have booze
bad things happen, no one knows why / the sun burns out and everyone dies
Thats because Outlook sucks.
Low bar, my dude.
I like using it.
I do not like scripting with it. It has a lot of potential and power, especially if you can link it up with VBA.
But it is a right bitch to learn that fucking syntax.
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I'm not a dev.
Most devs I know are Mac users.
bash doesn't do remotely the same thing that powershell does
fuck up once and you break your thumb / if you're happy at all then you're god damn dumb
that's right we're on a fucked up cruise / God is dead but at least we have booze
bad things happen, no one knows why / the sun burns out and everyone dies
no, it does CMD better
bash is still based on piping strings around
powershell pipes actual objects around
fuck up once and you break your thumb / if you're happy at all then you're god damn dumb
that's right we're on a fucked up cruise / God is dead but at least we have booze
bad things happen, no one knows why / the sun burns out and everyone dies
That's what perl is for, vowels. Gosh do you even linux bro?
This is ultimately why programming langauges came about. The OS' shell wasn't really the right place to start scripting larger scale things like this.
I would rather have the responsibility for interpretation of data in my hands and not the shell's.
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then you also have the fact that since powershell only came out in 2008 you had basically every sysadmin who had never had it before look at it and say "this is terrible and I hate it." While kids these days(tm) now are learning powershell in school as they're learning windows server so they're more pre-disposed to using it because they're learning it at the base level.
While there are always exceptions to the rule, I generally find that people who have the biggest disdain for powershell are the old/old school sysadmins who didn't "grow up" with it, while people who did like it a lot more. I finished my schooling a couple years before powershell was a thing, but I fall closer to the camp who grew up with it as it was evolving and I really do like it.
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Man, I dunno. Like, the whole purpose of linux, to me, is how straightforward working in bash is (ONCE I KNOW WHAT I'M DOING AND WHAT COMMANDS GET ME THERE.) And ultimately, that's the difference. If I want to be highly efficient at a task, so much so that a GUI comes between me and what I'm trying to do, oh my god doing it through a terminal in nix is so much better. But if I'm not sure exactly what needs to be done, a GUI is better, and if I'm GUIing then Windows is better.
Nix is better for admining, windows is better for workerbeeing, (and mac is better for deving). Straight up. And only the most masochistic nerds (so everyone in this thread) are going to spend all their time at work AND home mastering so many different things.
but integrating objects and .net into it was bizarre as fuck
just like
make managing windows suck less, not a hard concept
can you add users from the command line?
can you make groups?
add DNS?
edit text files
that's like the barest minimum you need to shoot for and it still sucks in powershell
Pft, visual studio 2017 best for devving 2017 5ever
it's backporting useful features that were created for programming into the shell in a way that makes a lot of sense
I mean, as an example, if I had ran some kind of reporting program (users, running processes, things like that) in bash it's going to give me a bunch of strings as output, maybe a csv or xml, right? Then if I want to narrow or search those I'm using grep or some third application designed to parse and search the file.
whereas in powershell you get back objects with structures
run get-process to get a report of all running processes, save it to a variable, and now you can play and filter it using the same set of tools you can use for anything else in the system. Filter for properties with where-object. Drill down using dot notation if you already know what the structure is. View the structure with select-object if you don't know it.
it makes the shell more than "enter command: receive text". It allows you to functionally interact with the outputs of the shell within the shell.
fuck up once and you break your thumb / if you're happy at all then you're god damn dumb
that's right we're on a fucked up cruise / God is dead but at least we have booze
bad things happen, no one knows why / the sun burns out and everyone dies
YEAH BUT I COULDN'T START A PROGRAM REMOTELY VOWELS
yeah because that program should have been a service and not a program
don't blame powershell because you wanted to break window's security model and it wouldn't let you
fuck up once and you break your thumb / if you're happy at all then you're god damn dumb
that's right we're on a fucked up cruise / God is dead but at least we have booze
bad things happen, no one knows why / the sun burns out and everyone dies
Ultimately I am asking the shell for information. I then can decide what to do with that info and there are a lot of ways for me to use it.
With Powershell you are constrained to the objects they decided for you. It bothers me.
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That's more a problem with the Windows security model then it is a pro for powershell.
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Fuck bad change.
This is why Windows 8 got shit on, much to the chagrin of literally all the babby system admins the tried pretending it wasn't the worst shit that was ever dumped onto consumers ever.
Amazing fucking tablet experience.
Shitty fucking desktop experience. Even linux is better.
yes
yes
yes (probably? I've never messed with that tbh)
there's a version of nano for windows
fuck up once and you break your thumb / if you're happy at all then you're god damn dumb
that's right we're on a fucked up cruise / God is dead but at least we have booze
bad things happen, no one knows why / the sun burns out and everyone dies
is it as simple as "add user"
Personally, I use Excel for tables because I don't feel like wasting time on creating the columns in Word when Excel already has them since I'm not going to be printing it anyway. Still stupid easy to use Word, though.
VLC Media Player. Not all that easy to use for end users for more advanced features, but I've successfully taught several of our users the basics and it went very smoothly, and our users like that it plays videos better than WMP, which makes it fantastic for presentations to the board.
Also I guess there's no proper music library management in VLC, either. But I've not really needed that.
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as opposed to the text it decides for you?
it's the same arbitrary information just packaged in a way that makes it easier to use
fuck up once and you break your thumb / if you're happy at all then you're god damn dumb
that's right we're on a fucked up cruise / God is dead but at least we have booze
bad things happen, no one knows why / the sun burns out and everyone dies