FakefauxCóiste BodharDriving John McCain to meet some Iraqis who'd very much like to make his acquaintanceRegistered Userregular
Personally, I hope neither Venom or one of the Goblins shows up for a future Spidey movie. They should continue to focus on the "super bank robber" class of Spidey villains. Those guys have been under-served by previous movies. A bunch of them are very fun characters, they lead in very nicely to a Sinister Six plotline, and it helps distinguish things from the Rami or Webb films.
Maybe have Ock show up one day as the Master Planner/secret leader of the Sinister Six, but I'd be fine if they just stuck to super-mooks. Maybe a few super gangsters like Mr. Negative or Hammerhead using those guys as muscle.
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Personally, I hope neither Venom or one of the Goblins shows up for a future Spidey movie. They should continue to focus on the "super bank robber" class of Spidey villains. Those guys have been under-served by previous movies. A bunch of them are very fun characters, they lead in very nicely to a Sinister Six plotline, and it helps distinguish things from the Rami or Webb films.
Maybe have Ock show up one day as the Master Planner/secret leader of the Sinister Six, but I'd be fine if they just stuck to super-mooks. Maybe a few super gangsters like Mr. Negative or Hammerhead using those guys as muscle.
You could have Kraven hunting down superhumans and hears about Spidey
Kraven would be a good one to bring in, it's hard because it really needs a good setup for future films but they've fairly heavily abused several of the major villains at this point, but Kraven might make a good second film villain.
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FakefauxCóiste BodharDriving John McCain to meet some Iraqis who'd very much like to make his acquaintanceRegistered Userregular
I'm personally lukewarm on Kraven, but seriously jonesing for Mysterio.
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But then you don't see his face for a lot of time and seeing his face is like half the fun.
But a well made Sinister Six film? Take all my monies.
My personal hope?
First movie: super-tech becomes accessible to street crime, Spidey has to deal
Second movie: this inevitably leads to super-criminal turf wars, a gang war breaks out, Spidey has to stop it
Third movie: super-mooks who survive the gang war agree to put aside their differences and team up to defeat their common enemy, forming the Sinister Six
J jonah Jameson was always spideys most strident opponent. But scheduling and his own bad luck was always his arch nemesis
Yeah, a great many of Spidey's villains are just obstacles who exist to make life more difficult for him, exacerbating the real threat of his personal problems and responsibilities. The super-mook contingent of his rogues gallery really personifies this. They're punch-clock villains, there to make a buck, and oh goddamnit the wallcrawler just showed up. From Spidey's perspective, they're just pains in the neck who randomly pop up to rob a bank, usually when he's in the middle of trying to get Aunt May's medications or study for finals.
Going back to Agent Venom, the reason it's a great storyline is that they pull off a fun house mirror version of Peter Parker super well. What if instead of a good father figure telling Peter about responsibility, he was ALREADY a pretty responsible guy (because of Army service). But the Dad influence was a TERRIBLE one, an abusive bad dad and the lasting trauma from that gives the Symbiote something to work with. So instead of a selfish guy driven to do good by guilt, we have an honorable guy threatening to give into temptation to let the Venom suit do its thing because of demons from the past.
Also the whole "time limit to use Venom before it really starts messing with your head" vs "is no longer paralyzed while wearing the Venom suit" aspects add a ton of pressure points for each storyline. Finally, it changes up the type chart for what's dangerous. Spider-Man is always at some threat from guns, knives, a really strong guy, etc. Venom basically doesn't have any of those weaknesses, but gains weakness to tech weapons like sonic guns and flame weapons. Not that a flamethrower wouldn't kill Spidey, but that's not gonna be anyone's first move against him.
I think it's very doable as a movie, or even better a show to build a high pressure situation around Flash, but Sony seems too stupid to capitalize on this. They just want to launch right to $500 million weekend gross without doing any of the work first.
That's cause the last page has been the same like 3 people complaining.
Honestly, the more I watch the show the less about half the complaints make sense.
Iron Fist is probably the least good of the MCU Netflix shows, but it's not by much.
Have you seen the SE+ thread? Makes that look like a birthday party.
Who cares? The reviews were equally stupid before it came out too.
I mean, if you thought that was rough you haven't seen anything. This isn't about the reviews, this is the audience reaction.
No, look at this thread. This is about the audiences pre-reaction.
Yeah, and they weren't off the mark. YMMV.
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ive seen 3 episodes and been more entertained than the 7 of Luke Cage I watched. Guess I'm another of the minority? Oh my fiancé said the same and she's not the target audience at all.
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Inquisitor772 x Penny Arcade Fight Club ChampionA fixed point in space and timeRegistered Userregular
That's cause the last page has been the same like 3 people complaining.
Honestly, the more I watch the show the less about half the complaints make sense.
Iron Fist is probably the least good of the MCU Netflix shows, but it's not by much.
The last page alone I count 14 different posters all with very similar criticisms, not all having the same discussion (there's even a small side discussion about whether or not "Bushido Code" is indicative of something larger, and the guy who is on the opposing side for that doesn't like the show anymore than everyone else - he just thinks it's nitpicking). And 2 who are lukewarm at best. And then you bitching about the thread title. =P
So yeah, "same like 3 people" sure. Or it's just that there are a lot of different people who are seeing very similar things. I myself have only actively participated in the last 3 pages or so, after I finished watching everything. Skimming 5+ pages before that has an entirely different group of people who are pointing out very similar issues in real-time (i.e., as they are watching each episode).
ive seen 3 episodes and been more entertained than the 7 of Luke Cage I watched. Guess I'm another of the minority? Oh my fiancé said the same and she's not the target audience at all.
Eh, not everyone is going to agree. I'm glad someone liked it, I wish I did as much as you guys.
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KadokenGiving Ends to my Friends and it Feels StupendousRegistered Userregular
Unless Iron Fist somehow goes to shit in the last 3 episodes I really don't know what people were complaining about. It's way better than Luke Cage imho, which just
killed its best villain halfway through
and then had no idea what to do with itself. Not as good as JJ or DD season 1, but leagues above your regularly scheduled TV programming.
I'm 5 in and agree, but then a lot of people were buying the review for whatever reason and/or have a problem with the entire setup before they even see it and everyone likes different things.
But gimme more Iron Fist if this keeps up, Marvel!
I'm 5 in and agree, but then a lot of people were buying the review for whatever reason and/or have a problem with the entire setup before they even see it and everyone likes different things.
But gimme more Iron Fist if this keeps up, Marvel!
That's cause the last page has been the same like 3 people complaining.
Honestly, the more I watch the show the less about half the complaints make sense.
Iron Fist is probably the least good of the MCU Netflix shows, but it's not by much.
The last page alone I count 14 different posters all with very similar criticisms, not all having the same discussion (there's even a small side discussion about whether or not "Bushido Code" is indicative of something larger, and the guy who is on the opposing side for that doesn't like the show anymore than everyone else - he just thinks it's nitpicking). And 2 who are lukewarm at best. And then you bitching about the thread title. =P
So yeah, "same like 3 people" sure. Or it's just that there are a lot of different people who are seeing very similar things. I myself have only actively participated in the last 3 pages or so, after I finished watching everything. Skimming 5+ pages before that has an entirely different group of people who are pointing out very similar issues in real-time (i.e., as they are watching each episode).
Could have sworn I read in one of your posts you claimed you wouldn't pile on... oh, here it is.
Finally finished this. Marvel really dropped the ball on this series. I'm not going to pile on given I just did some quick skimming and it looks like nearly every single review touches upon the same issues I had with it. This show just failed on several fundamental levels. And what's worse is that you could see the seeds of some really great stuff there, but they fucked up the execution and the landing so much that it just adds to the frustration.
If the same person who made this show is also making the Defenders, I have serious qualms about how that team-up is going to turn out. Joss Whedon can tell you how much harder it is to juggle so many competing characters and storylines. I have no faith that someone who fucked up such a basic story would be able to do a remotely competent job on something about 7 times more difficult.
I am probably going to love Iron Fist and it's because I have literally no taste or discernment. Let me see if I can give y'all some context with which to evaluate my opinions:
Iron Man: Loved it
Thor: Loved it
Cap 1: Loved it
Avengers: Loved it
Cap 2: Loved it
Iron man 2: Loved it
Iron man 3: Loved it
GotG: Loved it
Avengers 2: Loved it
Civil war: Loved it
ant man: Loved it
AoS: Loved it from the premier
DD s1: Loved it
Luke Cage: Loved it
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I am probably going to love Iron Fist and it's because I have literally no taste or discernment. Let me see if I can give y'all some context with which to evaluate my opinions:
Iron Man: Loved it
Thor: Loved it
Cap 1: Loved it
Avengers: Loved it
Cap 2: Loved it
Iron man 2: Loved it
Iron man 3: Loved it
GotG: Loved it
Avengers 2: Loved it
Civil war: Loved it
ant man: Loved it
AoS: Loved it from the premier
DD s1: Loved it
Luke Cage: Loved it
I think Avengers 2 might be the one I loved the least, but yeah this checks out.
Jessica Jones and DD s2: loved it also.
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Let's play Mario Kart or something...
I am probably going to love Iron Fist and it's because I have literally no taste or discernment. Let me see if I can give y'all some context with which to evaluate my opinions:
Iron Man: Loved it
Thor: Loved it
Cap 1: Loved it
Avengers: Loved it
Cap 2: Loved it
Iron man 2: Loved it
Iron man 3: Loved it
GotG: Loved it
Avengers 2: Loved it
Civil war: Loved it
ant man: Loved it
AoS: Loved it from the premier
DD s1: Loved it
Luke Cage: Loved it
I still haven't seen past episode like 10 in LC.
I lost all interest when you know who showed up.
It stopped being about what it was about and became about something else.
That being said, I fucking love Colter as Cage, I am just of the opinion that he needs a friend to bounce off of.
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Inquisitor772 x Penny Arcade Fight Club ChampionA fixed point in space and timeRegistered Userregular
That's cause the last page has been the same like 3 people complaining.
Honestly, the more I watch the show the less about half the complaints make sense.
Iron Fist is probably the least good of the MCU Netflix shows, but it's not by much.
The last page alone I count 14 different posters all with very similar criticisms, not all having the same discussion (there's even a small side discussion about whether or not "Bushido Code" is indicative of something larger, and the guy who is on the opposing side for that doesn't like the show anymore than everyone else - he just thinks it's nitpicking). And 2 who are lukewarm at best. And then you bitching about the thread title. =P
So yeah, "same like 3 people" sure. Or it's just that there are a lot of different people who are seeing very similar things. I myself have only actively participated in the last 3 pages or so, after I finished watching everything. Skimming 5+ pages before that has an entirely different group of people who are pointing out very similar issues in real-time (i.e., as they are watching each episode).
Could have sworn I read in one of your posts you claimed you wouldn't pile on... oh, here it is.
Finally finished this. Marvel really dropped the ball on this series. I'm not going to pile on given I just did some quick skimming and it looks like nearly every single review touches upon the same issues I had with it. This show just failed on several fundamental levels. And what's worse is that you could see the seeds of some really great stuff there, but they fucked up the execution and the landing so much that it just adds to the frustration.
If the same person who made this show is also making the Defenders, I have serious qualms about how that team-up is going to turn out. Joss Whedon can tell you how much harder it is to juggle so many competing characters and storylines. I have no faith that someone who fucked up such a basic story would be able to do a remotely competent job on something about 7 times more difficult.
Iquisitor, you remain a funny guy.
My point about "piling on" was a note to myself not to write up a thesis paper on how shitty the show was right then and there. Not sure what else you're getting at. shryke went out of his way in this thread to dismiss the opinions of literally dozens of other people who aren't even here to defend themselves because he disagreed with them. I was pointing out facts.
It's totally fine to think that Iron Fist was great. Opinions are subjective like that. But if you want to have a discussion on something, you engage with the subject at hand. And if you can't do that, then you agree to disagree and walk away. Not whatever the fuck this is.
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daveNYCWhy universe hate Waspinator?Registered Userregular
I am probably going to love Iron Fist and it's because I have literally no taste or discernment. Let me see if I can give y'all some context with which to evaluate my opinions:
Iron Man: Loved it
Thor: Loved it
Cap 1: Loved it
Avengers: Loved it
Cap 2: Loved it
Iron man 2: Loved it
Iron man 3: Loved it
GotG: Loved it
Avengers 2: Loved it
Civil war: Loved it
ant man: Loved it
AoS: Loved it from the premier
DD s1: Loved it
Luke Cage: Loved it
I still haven't seen past episode like 10 in LC.
I lost all interest when you know who showed up.
It stopped being about what it was about and became about something else.
That being said, I fucking love Colter as Cage, I am just of the opinion that he needs a friend to bounce off of.
More like it tried to become about something else, but the groundwork was all goofy.
Cottonmouth had a whole thing about relationships between parents and children, but Diamondback wasn't able to leverage that because he was a horrible character and the whole thing felt much more sibling rivalryish than unequal treatment of sons by their father. Plus we barely knew a damn thing about Cage's family, so there wasn't much to hook into. We way knew more about Cottonmouth's family than Cage's.
Shut up, Mr. Burton! You were not brought upon this world to get it!
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Inquisitor772 x Penny Arcade Fight Club ChampionA fixed point in space and timeRegistered Userregular
I am probably going to love Iron Fist and it's because I have literally no taste or discernment. Let me see if I can give y'all some context with which to evaluate my opinions:
Iron Man: Loved it
Thor: Loved it
Cap 1: Loved it
Avengers: Loved it
Cap 2: Loved it
Iron man 2: Loved it
Iron man 3: Loved it
GotG: Loved it
Avengers 2: Loved it
Civil war: Loved it
ant man: Loved it
AoS: Loved it from the premier
DD s1: Loved it
Luke Cage: Loved it
I still haven't seen past episode like 10 in LC.
I lost all interest when you know who showed up.
It stopped being about what it was about and became about something else.
That being said, I fucking love Colter as Cage, I am just of the opinion that he needs a friend to bounce off of.
More like it tried to become about something else, but the groundwork was all goofy.
Cottonmouth had a whole thing about relationships between parents and children, but Diamondback wasn't able to leverage that because he was a horrible character and the whole thing felt much more sibling rivalryish than unequal treatment of sons by their father. Plus we barely knew a damn thing about Cage's family, so there wasn't much to hook into. We way knew more about Cottonmouth's family than Cage's.
Yeah, so far
every single show has had pacing and bloat problems. I think they just have too many episodes to fill. They should have gone with the approach of "as many episodes as we need". They could've taken like 20 episodes off the table for these Defenders runs and made serials/experimental shows with instead.
I am probably going to love Iron Fist and it's because I have literally no taste or discernment. Let me see if I can give y'all some context with which to evaluate my opinions:
Iron Man: Loved it
Thor: Loved it
Cap 1: Loved it
Avengers: Loved it
Cap 2: Loved it
Iron man 2: Loved it
Iron man 3: Loved it
GotG: Loved it
Avengers 2: Loved it
Civil war: Loved it
ant man: Loved it AoS: Loved it from the premier
DD s1: Loved it
Luke Cage: Loved it
I am probably going to love Iron Fist and it's because I have literally no taste or discernment. Let me see if I can give y'all some context with which to evaluate my opinions:
Iron Man: Loved it
Thor: Loved it
Cap 1: Loved it
Avengers: Loved it
Cap 2: Loved it
Iron man 2: Loved it
Iron man 3: Loved it
GotG: Loved it
Avengers 2: Loved it
Civil war: Loved it
ant man: Loved it
AoS: Loved it from the premier
DD s1: Loved it
Luke Cage: Loved it
I still haven't seen past episode like 10 in LC.
I lost all interest when you know who showed up.
It stopped being about what it was about and became about something else.
That being said, I fucking love Colter as Cage, I am just of the opinion that he needs a friend to bounce off of.
It's funny cause as bad as the thing you are talking about ends up, probably right after this point the show does start regaining it's sense of being about something. The last few episodes in fact have a real obvious black politics vibe that comes back real strong and imo rescue the last half from being a complete disaster.
I'm in the other thread to, and I'm just using it for the purposes of nitpicking. But yeah, I've watched the entirety of Iron Fist, and I still say it's better than 90% of syndicated TV, and better than half of Netflix original series. But what I CAN say with Iron Fist is that it's on the lower end of quality for these shows. It's rushed, and it shows in the end result. It's a good proof of concept, but it's not the Hong Kong action or Wuxia action people really WANTED the show to be.
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Maybe have Ock show up one day as the Master Planner/secret leader of the Sinister Six, but I'd be fine if they just stuck to super-mooks. Maybe a few super gangsters like Mr. Negative or Hammerhead using those guys as muscle.
You could have Kraven hunting down superhumans and hears about Spidey
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But then you don't see his face for a lot of time and seeing his face is like half the fun.
But a well made Sinister Six film? Take all my monies.
My personal hope?
First movie: super-tech becomes accessible to street crime, Spidey has to deal
Second movie: this inevitably leads to super-criminal turf wars, a gang war breaks out, Spidey has to stop it
Third movie: super-mooks who survive the gang war agree to put aside their differences and team up to defeat their common enemy, forming the Sinister Six
Yeah, a great many of Spidey's villains are just obstacles who exist to make life more difficult for him, exacerbating the real threat of his personal problems and responsibilities. The super-mook contingent of his rogues gallery really personifies this. They're punch-clock villains, there to make a buck, and oh goddamnit the wallcrawler just showed up. From Spidey's perspective, they're just pains in the neck who randomly pop up to rob a bank, usually when he's in the middle of trying to get Aunt May's medications or study for finals.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1MZIU_feIk
Also the whole "time limit to use Venom before it really starts messing with your head" vs "is no longer paralyzed while wearing the Venom suit" aspects add a ton of pressure points for each storyline. Finally, it changes up the type chart for what's dangerous. Spider-Man is always at some threat from guns, knives, a really strong guy, etc. Venom basically doesn't have any of those weaknesses, but gains weakness to tech weapons like sonic guns and flame weapons. Not that a flamethrower wouldn't kill Spidey, but that's not gonna be anyone's first move against him.
I think it's very doable as a movie, or even better a show to build a high pressure situation around Flash, but Sony seems too stupid to capitalize on this. They just want to launch right to $500 million weekend gross without doing any of the work first.
It's awful.
If you're talking Iron Fist I think you're looking for this thread http://forums.penny-arcade.com/discussion/210432/irrelevant-iron-fist
@Dark Raven X might want to change the thread title since IF has its own place.
https://youtu.be/mAUY1J8KizU
Honestly, the more I watch the show the less about half the complaints make sense.
Iron Fist is probably the least good of the MCU Netflix shows, but it's not by much.
Have you seen the SE+ thread? Makes that look like a birthday party.
Who cares? The reviews were equally stupid before it came out too.
I mean, if you thought that was rough you haven't seen anything. This isn't about the reviews, this is the audience reaction.
No, look at this thread. This is about the audiences pre-reaction.
There's no shortage of people who watched the show and liked it.
Yeah, and they weren't off the mark. YMMV.
The last page alone I count 14 different posters all with very similar criticisms, not all having the same discussion (there's even a small side discussion about whether or not "Bushido Code" is indicative of something larger, and the guy who is on the opposing side for that doesn't like the show anymore than everyone else - he just thinks it's nitpicking). And 2 who are lukewarm at best. And then you bitching about the thread title. =P
So yeah, "same like 3 people" sure. Or it's just that there are a lot of different people who are seeing very similar things. I myself have only actively participated in the last 3 pages or so, after I finished watching everything. Skimming 5+ pages before that has an entirely different group of people who are pointing out very similar issues in real-time (i.e., as they are watching each episode).
Eh, not everyone is going to agree. I'm glad someone liked it, I wish I did as much as you guys.
I take it back
Doot-doot doo doo
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But gimme more Iron Fist if this keeps up, Marvel!
Spoilers
That isn't really a spoiler if you've got one iota of comic book knowledge and/or casting gossip.
They tried to bury us. They didn't know that we were seeds. 2018 Midterms. Get your shit together.
Could have sworn I read in one of your posts you claimed you wouldn't pile on... oh, here it is.
Iquisitor, you remain a funny guy.
Iron Man: Loved it
Thor: Loved it
Cap 1: Loved it
Avengers: Loved it
Cap 2: Loved it
Iron man 2: Loved it
Iron man 3: Loved it
GotG: Loved it
Avengers 2: Loved it
Civil war: Loved it
ant man: Loved it
AoS: Loved it from the premier
DD s1: Loved it
Luke Cage: Loved it
I think Avengers 2 might be the one I loved the least, but yeah this checks out.
Jessica Jones and DD s2: loved it also.
Let's play Mario Kart or something...
I still haven't seen past episode like 10 in LC.
I lost all interest when you know who showed up.
It stopped being about what it was about and became about something else.
That being said, I fucking love Colter as Cage, I am just of the opinion that he needs a friend to bounce off of.
"We believe in the people and their 'wisdom' as if there was some special secret entrance to knowledge that barred to anyone who had ever learned anything." - Friedrich Nietzsche
My point about "piling on" was a note to myself not to write up a thesis paper on how shitty the show was right then and there. Not sure what else you're getting at. shryke went out of his way in this thread to dismiss the opinions of literally dozens of other people who aren't even here to defend themselves because he disagreed with them. I was pointing out facts.
It's totally fine to think that Iron Fist was great. Opinions are subjective like that. But if you want to have a discussion on something, you engage with the subject at hand. And if you can't do that, then you agree to disagree and walk away. Not whatever the fuck this is.
More like it tried to become about something else, but the groundwork was all goofy.
Yeah, so far
At least you are honest. :P
It's funny cause as bad as the thing you are talking about ends up, probably right after this point the show does start regaining it's sense of being about something. The last few episodes in fact have a real obvious black politics vibe that comes back real strong and imo rescue the last half from being a complete disaster.