You don't necessarily just take a thing from a store just to use that thing.
You can take things from stores and then sell them for money and then buy things with that money.
Yeah, that's the far more likely thing to do. I was just more having a though experiment, given that I just moved to a new apartment, what I would actually need from Best Buy to survive, using a very literal definition of the word survival.
Even after calling the cops he could have just told the guy hey there are cops outside just put the stuff back and we're square
But he wanted the arrest
Not his call, not at a risk to himself, not on him to tell someone who was stealing to return the goods.
It is in fact literally his job as a loss prevention agent
Elaborate? In my experience it's been notify security, but do not engage.
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I interviewed for an LP position at Target back in the mid 00s. The job was described to me as observe behavior, look out for suspicious activity and basically just be visible and let any people who looked like they were getting ready to steal some stuff know you were watching them to deter such activity. I was specifically told not to try and stop anyone and to just radio it in so they could have police by the door if they left with the merchandise anyway.
I didn't take the job because they took too long getting back to me and ended up selling shoes instead. I'm glad, it probably would have given me some regrettable memories later on.
It seems like at some places, doing some internet googling, LP is basically just someone who doesn't have to worry about sales and just worries about watching customers via cameras, walking around, etc, and simply reports and tries to dissuade via presence and never engages.
Different places will have different policies, of course.
Loss prevention policies were mostly justified from a safety perspective, that customer who is stealing is a total stranger and you have no idea what kind of reaction would take place if you just straight call them out for stealing.
...perhaps Best Buy policy has changed since the year... 2000?
... perhaps Travis Mcelroy has changed since the year 2000!
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2017 Travis is the one who brought it up and introduced it
and while I haven't listened to the episode yet, from what folks said he did not do so in a regretful "I did this thing as a teen that was the wrong call and maybe got someone really screwed over" way, but in a "haha here is a fun work story" way
like I said, if someone just dug this up from his old social media then I would be right there with you but if he's bringing it into the conversation right now then I'm fine with giving him shit for it
The problem I have with this argument is that it relies on making assumptions about Travis' motives. Which is the same problem I have with accusing him of "wanting" the arrest, for whatever reason.
Maybe he doesn't think it's a big deal! Maybe he does regret what he did, but he doesn't want to stop his podcast with a sizeable listenership to apologize for something shitty that he might've done as a teenager.
If he'd stopped the podcast to say "Fuck that dude, I would do the same thing again," I'd be agreeing with you here. But from what I can tell, all he was doing was telling a story from his retail days, and it's kind of unfair to ascribe motives to his actions that make him seem like a bad person without actually putting the story into context.
You don't necessarily just take a thing from a store just to use that thing.
You can take things from stores and then sell them for money and then buy things with that money.
Explain.
I have a friend who shoplifts items from department stores for people for a fraction of their price in cash. I suppose it would be more accurate to say he did, he's been to county for shoplifting a few times.
Even after calling the cops he could have just told the guy hey there are cops outside just put the stuff back and we're square
But he wanted the arrest
Not his call, not at a risk to himself, not on him to tell someone who was stealing to return the goods.
It is in fact literally his job as a loss prevention agent
Elaborate? In my experience it's been notify security, but do not engage.
Travis is the security
Like for associates, yes, but it is literally loss prevention's job to discourage shoplifters and then if they flee or refuse call the police
That's why they have a specific position for loss prevention, otherwise they would just have associates call the cops if they saw it happening
At least this is how it has been at retail where I have worked and some of my friends have, policies differ
Loss prevention isn't security. The majority of the job of loss prevention is to actually figure out ways to proactively discourage shoplifting, like figuring out what products have the highest shrink rate, and placing that product in the places people are less likely to try and steal it (like placing smaller items that are easily concealed right at the register area) or making sure that no shelves are in the camera blindspots, etc.
The ballsiest motherfuckers were the ones that I literally watched steal a hundred bucks worth of batteries, and then walk right back in the store an hour later and try to get a refund on them.
The ballsiest motherfuckers were the ones that I literally watched steal a hundred bucks worth of batteries, and then walk right back in the store an hour later and try to get a refund on them.
I interviewed for an LP position at Target back in the mid 00s. The job was described to me as observe behavior, look out for suspicious activity and basically just be visible and let any people who looked like they were getting ready to steal some stuff know you were watching them to deter such activity. I was specifically told not to try and stop anyone and to just radio it in so they could have police by the door if they left with the merchandise anyway.
I didn't take the job because they took too long getting back to me and ended up selling shoes instead. I'm glad, it probably would have given me some regrettable memories later on.
So I'm going to avoid using explicit names for a wide variety of reasons, but I have absolutely seen AP at my store "invite" people into the back and take a full stock of all the items they were trying to shoplift.
I've also seen them physically restrain people who tried to leave the store with electronics or other valuable items still security wrapped.
The ballsiest motherfuckers were the ones that I literally watched steal a hundred bucks worth of batteries, and then walk right back in the store an hour later and try to get a refund on them.
As Travis has spoken of in his previous best buy stories, shoplifters are not typically master thieves
...perhaps Best Buy policy has changed since the year... 2000?
... perhaps Travis Mcelroy has changed since the year 2000!
Again
2017 Travis is the one who brought it up and introduced it
and while I haven't listened to the episode yet, from what folks said he did not do so in a regretful "I did this thing as a teen that was the wrong call and maybe got someone really screwed over" way, but in a "haha here is a fun work story" way
like I said, if someone just dug this up from his old social media then I would be right there with you but if he's bringing it into the conversation right now then I'm fine with giving him shit for it
I was always under the impression that the McElroy's basically made their name on telling stories of dumb and awful shit they did when they were younger.
I'm sure we all remember the 'Justin is literally a serial killer' story
...perhaps Best Buy policy has changed since the year... 2000?
... perhaps Travis Mcelroy has changed since the year 2000!
Again
2017 Travis is the one who brought it up and introduced it
and while I haven't listened to the episode yet, from what folks said he did not do so in a regretful "I did this thing as a teen that was the wrong call and maybe got someone really screwed over" way, but in a "haha here is a fun work story" way
like I said, if someone just dug this up from his old social media then I would be right there with you but if he's bringing it into the conversation right now then I'm fine with giving him shit for it
I was always under the impression that the McElroy's basically made their name on telling stories of dumb and awful shit they did when they were younger.
I'm sure we all remember the 'Justin is literally a serial killer' story
Yeah but a dude didn't get thrown in jail in that one
usually their dumb stories from when they were younger end with them getting made fools of or some other low-stakes consequence
Travis was not a teen at this time by the way, he woulda been mid 20s
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1) Travis, by his own admission and even by the descriptions of his brothers the last time they discussed his best buy job, absolutely "got off" on making "the bust"
2) I dont want to make excuses for him, it's a shitty thing to do that definitely went beyond the scope of his position
3) I imagine he's now getting more than a few tweets and e-mails explainining to him, in various tones, that it was a shitty thing, and possibly why
4) given previous McElroy track record, I doubt he'll double down on his position, but rather realize it was shitty and express regret. however, at this point this is just conjecture
Travis was not a teen at this time by the way, he woulda been mid 20s
Edit: I responded poorly, my comment contributed nothing.
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1) Travis, by his own admission and even by the descriptions of his brothers the last time they discussed his best buy job, absolutely "got off" on making "the bust"
2) I dont want to make excuses for him, it's a shitty thing to do that definitely went beyond the scope of his position
3) I imagine he's now getting more than a few tweets and e-mails explainining to him, in various tones, that it was a shitty thing, and possibly why
4) given previous McElroy track record, I doubt he'll double down on his position, but rather realize it was shitty and express regret. however, at this point this is just conjecture
"So, Travis. Answer with a yes or a no only, please - do you still masturbate when you think about that arrest?"
...perhaps Best Buy policy has changed since the year... 2000?
... perhaps Travis Mcelroy has changed since the year 2000!
Again
2017 Travis is the one who brought it up and introduced it
and while I haven't listened to the episode yet, from what folks said he did not do so in a regretful "I did this thing as a teen that was the wrong call and maybe got someone really screwed over" way, but in a "haha here is a fun work story" way
like I said, if someone just dug this up from his old social media then I would be right there with you but if he's bringing it into the conversation right now then I'm fine with giving him shit for it
I was always under the impression that the McElroy's basically made their name on telling stories of dumb and awful shit they did when they were younger.
I'm sure we all remember the 'Justin is literally a serial killer' story
Yeah but a dude didn't get thrown in jail in that one
usually their dumb stories from when they were younger end with them getting made fools of or some other low-stakes consequence
Do you have literally any proof at all that someone did time over that incident? Cause yeah, bad on Travis for that thing but hot damn y'all are getting spun up about some wild shit that literally no one can do anything about and a scenario that will likely never happen again.
...perhaps Best Buy policy has changed since the year... 2000?
... perhaps Travis Mcelroy has changed since the year 2000!
Again
2017 Travis is the one who brought it up and introduced it
and while I haven't listened to the episode yet, from what folks said he did not do so in a regretful "I did this thing as a teen that was the wrong call and maybe got someone really screwed over" way, but in a "haha here is a fun work story" way
like I said, if someone just dug this up from his old social media then I would be right there with you but if he's bringing it into the conversation right now then I'm fine with giving him shit for it
I was always under the impression that the McElroy's basically made their name on telling stories of dumb and awful shit they did when they were younger.
I'm sure we all remember the 'Justin is literally a serial killer' story
Yeah but a dude didn't get thrown in jail in that one
usually their dumb stories from when they were younger end with them getting made fools of or some other low-stakes consequence
Do you have literally any proof at all that someone did time over that incident? Cause yeah, bad on Travis for that thing but hot damn y'all are getting spun up about some wild shit that literally no one can do anything about and a scenario that will likely never happen again.
I don't but even "dude got arrested" is way worse than basically any other story I can think they've told
Even after calling the cops he could have just told the guy hey there are cops outside just put the stuff back and we're square
But he wanted the arrest
Not his call, not at a risk to himself, not on him to tell someone who was stealing to return the goods.
It is in fact literally his job as a loss prevention agent
Elaborate? In my experience it's been notify security, but do not engage.
Travis is the security
Like for associates, yes, but it is literally loss prevention's job to discourage shoplifters and then if they flee or refuse call the police
That's why they have a specific position for loss prevention, otherwise they would just have associates call the cops if they saw it happening
At least this is how it has been at retail where I have worked and some of my friends have, policies differ
I was a loss prevention agent in college and we are allowed to stop and detain with handcuffs, then bring them back into the store and wait for police. Also we are allowed to chase up until the point they reach their car, then we have to disengage.
I once caught 5 14 year old girls at the same time. Their parents had dropped them off at the movie theater across the street to see a movie, but instead they decided to come into my store and steal over $1200 worth of clothing, the week before Christmas.
One of the girls' dad's was a very large former Marine. The mom was there yelling and screaming at the girl, but the dad just stood there. Arms crossed, silent, eyes staring many holes through this girl's head. Even I was a little scared.
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Yeah, that's the far more likely thing to do. I was just more having a though experiment, given that I just moved to a new apartment, what I would actually need from Best Buy to survive, using a very literal definition of the word survival.
You steal legos because they accrue value and then sell them to buy more legos.
Okay, so, I'm taking your computer.
And I'm selling it to this shady fellow, so I can buy sweet sweet drugs to put inside my body.
Ha!
I just stole your drugs and sold them to buy this sweet computer.
Capitalism.
Elaborate? In my experience it's been notify security, but do not engage.
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I didn't take the job because they took too long getting back to me and ended up selling shoes instead. I'm glad, it probably would have given me some regrettable memories later on.
Like for associates, yes, but it is literally loss prevention's job to discourage shoplifters and then if they flee or refuse call the police
That's why they have a specific position for loss prevention, otherwise they would just have associates call the cops if they saw it happening
At least this is how it has been at retail where I have worked and some of my friends have, policies differ
Sorry, mam, yer gonna hafta dismount if'n yer wantin' ta git inta Ezekiel's Dry Goods.
Different places will have different policies, of course.
The problem I have with this argument is that it relies on making assumptions about Travis' motives. Which is the same problem I have with accusing him of "wanting" the arrest, for whatever reason.
Maybe he doesn't think it's a big deal! Maybe he does regret what he did, but he doesn't want to stop his podcast with a sizeable listenership to apologize for something shitty that he might've done as a teenager.
If he'd stopped the podcast to say "Fuck that dude, I would do the same thing again," I'd be agreeing with you here. But from what I can tell, all he was doing was telling a story from his retail days, and it's kind of unfair to ascribe motives to his actions that make him seem like a bad person without actually putting the story into context.
I have a friend who shoplifts items from department stores for people for a fraction of their price in cash. I suppose it would be more accurate to say he did, he's been to county for shoplifting a few times.
Loss prevention isn't security. The majority of the job of loss prevention is to actually figure out ways to proactively discourage shoplifting, like figuring out what products have the highest shrink rate, and placing that product in the places people are less likely to try and steal it (like placing smaller items that are easily concealed right at the register area) or making sure that no shelves are in the camera blindspots, etc.
that was accurately describing his mindset at the time. it was a logical conclusion in his teenage brain.
Why would someone steal two batteries?
So I'm going to avoid using explicit names for a wide variety of reasons, but I have absolutely seen AP at my store "invite" people into the back and take a full stock of all the items they were trying to shoplift.
I've also seen them physically restrain people who tried to leave the store with electronics or other valuable items still security wrapped.
As Travis has spoken of in his previous best buy stories, shoplifters are not typically master thieves
I was always under the impression that the McElroy's basically made their name on telling stories of dumb and awful shit they did when they were younger.
I'm sure we all remember the 'Justin is literally a serial killer' story
usually their dumb stories from when they were younger end with them getting made fools of or some other low-stakes consequence
2) I dont want to make excuses for him, it's a shitty thing to do that definitely went beyond the scope of his position
3) I imagine he's now getting more than a few tweets and e-mails explainining to him, in various tones, that it was a shitty thing, and possibly why
4) given previous McElroy track record, I doubt he'll double down on his position, but rather realize it was shitty and express regret. however, at this point this is just conjecture
Why would I buy the legos, I could just keep stealing them and selling them on
Infinite money!
Edit: I responded poorly, my comment contributed nothing.
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"So, Travis. Answer with a yes or a no only, please - do you still masturbate when you think about that arrest?"
Do you have literally any proof at all that someone did time over that incident? Cause yeah, bad on Travis for that thing but hot damn y'all are getting spun up about some wild shit that literally no one can do anything about and a scenario that will likely never happen again.
I was a loss prevention agent in college and we are allowed to stop and detain with handcuffs, then bring them back into the store and wait for police. Also we are allowed to chase up until the point they reach their car, then we have to disengage.
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Turns out he and his mom ran an underground black market meat ring and he was a repeat offender
One of the girls' dad's was a very large former Marine. The mom was there yelling and screaming at the girl, but the dad just stood there. Arms crossed, silent, eyes staring many holes through this girl's head. Even I was a little scared.
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