Whenever you think that market crashes harm the rich, please keep in mind that the rich use market crashes to buy everything for cheap. Given the prices in some of the most popular cities right now, they could make quite a bit of money by depressing the market for a few years and buy much larger portions of the cities which will still end up bustling even after the crash because cities will be even that much more vital for survival.
Called my Senators. Murkowski took a minute to get through the lines (but only a minute) but I thanked her for voting against the motion to proceed. Sullivan's office I got through immediately, and I expressed my disappointment, why I was disappointed and additionally called on him to not vote for a single bill or amended bill that hasn't been vetting by experts and the CBO.
I know it can seem like pissing on the wind, but I know I'm going to cease to let my blatantly partisan Senator off the hook anymore.
As an addendum, I just got a robocall from some dude asking me to call Murkowski and tell her to vote no. Hopefully that keeps her on point, but I'm not happy that they're just ignoring Sullivan.
If this goes forward and the house passes it, get ready for elections in 2018 to get super fucked up with voter suppression.
I can't tell if they've given up on 2018 or have *that* much faith in their voter suppression plans. I fear it is the latter.
Lots of counties that go blue suddenly have only one polling place, in the most inconvenient areas possible, understaffed. And at midnight they try and use police to force everyone to go home.
I mean, we saw this already in the presidential election, I just expect it to be far more widespread.
Also purging voter rolls, sabotaged bureaucracy, etc.
2018 was going to be fucked up no matter what, but if this atrocity passes? Yeah.
Cooper is political editor at Newsweek, and Rep. Carter is from Georgia.
This is the second Rep. to threaten violence against a female Senator this week.
I'd say threats of violence aren't cool, but I'm not entirely sure that's the correct interpretation for whatever that Mark Twain sounding bit of nonsense is.
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Repeal without replace got 45 GOP votes, two more than Repeal and Replace got.
The Times has a nice chart, if you want to see which votes flipped.
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i've heard of jerk a knot in your tail
i wonder if it's related
i hope it's not going to be considered a preexisting condition
I hate blue cross blue shield as someone who has dealt with them for my entire life. the GOP has managed to make a law so stupid that I agree with bcbs.
If it starts looking like skinny repeal is going to be the thing, how is the healthcare industry not going to explode with protest? It's the worst of both worlds for them, here's all this extra stuff you have to do, but no insurance mandates.
Premiums would have to skyrocket.
Seriously, though. I always understood the GOP to be in this on the side of the insurance companies and other wealthy cronies. Who actually benefits from the healthcare system collapsing? Nobody in the US.
Does the skinny repeal even have the tax cuts, which are half the reason for it in the first place?
Cooper is political editor at Newsweek, and Rep. Carter is from Georgia.
This is the second Rep. to threaten violence against a female Senator this week.
I'd say threats of violence aren't cool, but I'm not entirely sure that's the correct interpretation for whatever that Mark Twain sounding bit of nonsense is.
snatch a knot
To hit someone, usually used in a threat of punishment or retribution. A knot is generally snatched in one's ass, though variants include the neck and the head.
No. That is the Rand Paul thing that just straight up repeals Obamacare and defunds Planned Parenthood along the way because why the fuck not, but the actual content of this bill (technically a full-scale rewrite AMENDMENT) has never been made public. We just have Paul's declaration that it repeals Obamacare.
I believe the next thing they vote for is the same, but without the "fuck Planned Parenthood" part, which is also expected to fail.
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What just failed was repealing everything in the ACA that can be repealed via reconciliation. It would have rolled back all the taxes and all the spending, while keeping the regulatory changes in place. (It's worth noting that such a bill passed the GOP Senate in 2015, with only Collins and one other Republican voting against it.)
"Skinny-repeal" (which, according to reports, would repeal the individual mandate, the employer mandate, and the medical device tax and leave everything else alone) is expected to be brought up for a vote on Thursday or Friday.
We'll probably have a couple days of voting on amendments between then and now. McCain apparently has brought three or four Medicaid amendments for consideration. Democrats supposedly have 120 amendments they intend to bring up.
What just failed was repealing everything in the ACA that can be repealed via reconciliation. It would have rolled back all the taxes and all the spending, while keeping the regulatory changes in place. (It's worth noting that such a bill passed the GOP Senate in 2015, with only Collins and one other Republican voting against it.)
"Skinny-repeal" (which, according to reports, would repeal the individual mandate, the employer mandate, and the medical device tax and leave everything else alone) is expected to be brought up for a vote on Thursday or Friday.
We'll probably have a couple days of voting on amendments between then and now. McCain apparently has brought three or four Medicaid amendments for consideration. Democrats supposedly have 120 amendments they intend to bring up.
Any guess how many amendments McConnell let's the Dems do before he cuts them off? I'm guessing under well under 20.
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What just failed was repealing everything in the ACA that can be repealed via reconciliation. It would have rolled back all the taxes and all the spending, while keeping the regulatory changes in place. (It's worth noting that such a bill passed the GOP Senate in 2015, with only Collins and one other Republican voting against it.)
"Skinny-repeal" (which, according to reports, would repeal the individual mandate, the employer mandate, and the medical device tax and leave everything else alone) is expected to be brought up for a vote on Thursday or Friday.
We'll probably have a couple days of voting on amendments between then and now. McCain apparently has brought three or four Medicaid amendments for consideration. Democrats supposedly have 120 amendments they intend to bring up.
Any guess how many amendments McConnell let's the Dems do before he cuts them off? I'm guessing under well under 20.
McConnell would be fine not letting Dems be a part of the process at all
What just failed was repealing everything in the ACA that can be repealed via reconciliation. It would have rolled back all the taxes and all the spending, while keeping the regulatory changes in place. (It's worth noting that such a bill passed the GOP Senate in 2015, with only Collins and one other Republican voting against it.)
"Skinny-repeal" (which, according to reports, would repeal the individual mandate, the employer mandate, and the medical device tax and leave everything else alone) is expected to be brought up for a vote on Thursday or Friday.
We'll probably have a couple days of voting on amendments between then and now. McCain apparently has brought three or four Medicaid amendments for consideration. Democrats supposedly have 120 amendments they intend to bring up.
Any guess how many amendments McConnell let's the Dems do before he cuts them off? I'm guessing under well under 20.
McConnell would be fine not letting Dems be a part of the process at all
They already aren't. Like none of them have anything to do with this at all.
I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
What just failed was repealing everything in the ACA that can be repealed via reconciliation. It would have rolled back all the taxes and all the spending, while keeping the regulatory changes in place. (It's worth noting that such a bill passed the GOP Senate in 2015, with only Collins and one other Republican voting against it.)
"Skinny-repeal" (which, according to reports, would repeal the individual mandate, the employer mandate, and the medical device tax and leave everything else alone) is expected to be brought up for a vote on Thursday or Friday.
We'll probably have a couple days of voting on amendments between then and now. McCain apparently has brought three or four Medicaid amendments for consideration. Democrats supposedly have 120 amendments they intend to bring up.
Any guess how many amendments McConnell let's the Dems do before he cuts them off? I'm guessing under well under 20.
McConnell would be fine not letting Dems be a part of the process at all
Sure, but I think he'll at least let them blather about stuff for a bit as a fig leaf.
What just failed was repealing everything in the ACA that can be repealed via reconciliation. It would have rolled back all the taxes and all the spending, while keeping the regulatory changes in place. (It's worth noting that such a bill passed the GOP Senate in 2015, with only Collins and one other Republican voting against it.)
"Skinny-repeal" (which, according to reports, would repeal the individual mandate, the employer mandate, and the medical device tax and leave everything else alone) is expected to be brought up for a vote on Thursday or Friday.
We'll probably have a couple days of voting on amendments between then and now. McCain apparently has brought three or four Medicaid amendments for consideration. Democrats supposedly have 120 amendments they intend to bring up.
Any guess how many amendments McConnell let's the Dems do before he cuts them off? I'm guessing under well under 20.
McConnell would be fine not letting Dems be a part of the process at all
Sure, but I think he'll at least let them blather about stuff for a bit as a fig leaf.
He hasn't cared about showing them a fig leaf at any step of the way in his entire career. Why would he start now?
The previous repeal votes have been to remove Obamacare wholesale, or as much as they can around the filibuster. Removing just the mandate and no other major functions breaks the market, and will make Obamacare shitty after some time.
That's their point, here. People are liking Obamacare, enough that they cannot push through straight repeal. So they're changing strategy, from removing it, to making Obamacare suck. Once it's shitty for a while, then they'll remove it.
Fun story: in 1993, the state of Washington passed a ban on pre-existing conditions along with a mandate to purchase insurance. In 1995, Republicans repealed just the mandate. After that, premiums began going up by 20%+ a year, and by 1999, every single insurer had pulled out of the state's individual insurance market.
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I can't tell if they've given up on 2018 or have *that* much faith in their voter suppression plans. I fear it is the latter.
As an addendum, I just got a robocall from some dude asking me to call Murkowski and tell her to vote no. Hopefully that keeps her on point, but I'm not happy that they're just ignoring Sullivan.
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He cites "tremendous medical costs and disruption" because of course he does.
Lots of counties that go blue suddenly have only one polling place, in the most inconvenient areas possible, understaffed. And at midnight they try and use police to force everyone to go home.
I mean, we saw this already in the presidential election, I just expect it to be far more widespread.
Also purging voter rolls, sabotaged bureaucracy, etc.
2018 was going to be fucked up no matter what, but if this atrocity passes? Yeah.
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More just that 2018 is a year away which is an eternity in politics.
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Blue Cross really, really wants the individual mandate to stay.
Not on topic.
Cooper is political editor at Newsweek, and Rep. Carter is from Georgia.
This is the second Rep. to threaten violence against a female Senator this week.
Do I even want to know what that means?
Democrats did not even bother making it require 60 votes.
I'd say threats of violence aren't cool, but I'm not entirely sure that's the correct interpretation for whatever that Mark Twain sounding bit of nonsense is.
The Times has a nice chart, if you want to see which votes flipped.
i wonder if it's related
i hope it's not going to be considered a preexisting condition
Bravo I suppose.
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McCain voted for repeal and replace, but voted against the partial repeal along with Capito, Portman, and Lamar Alexander from Tennessee.
Collins, Heller, and Murkowski voted against both.
So.... now what?
I think a vote on skinny repeal that lets people vote for it under the assumption someone else will fix it.
Does the skinny repeal even have the tax cuts, which are half the reason for it in the first place?
Yet again, a bill with no actual constituency.
Edit: maybe it repeals the medical devices tax? I think it might do that. But still, previous point stands.
Isn't that the partial repeal thing that just fell through?
I'm going by what the Times link says that just Hedgethorn posted.
https://nytimes.com/interactive/2017/07/25/us/politics/senate-votes-repeal-obamacare.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=a-lede-package-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news
A repeal on just the mandates, and the medical device tax.
That would be Very Bad, as the insurance pools require that they have healthy/young people in the pools. Otherwise, shit's going to explode fast.
No. That is the Rand Paul thing that just straight up repeals Obamacare and defunds Planned Parenthood along the way because why the fuck not, but the actual content of this bill (technically a full-scale rewrite AMENDMENT) has never been made public. We just have Paul's declaration that it repeals Obamacare.
I believe the next thing they vote for is the same, but without the "fuck Planned Parenthood" part, which is also expected to fail.
What just failed was repealing everything in the ACA that can be repealed via reconciliation. It would have rolled back all the taxes and all the spending, while keeping the regulatory changes in place. (It's worth noting that such a bill passed the GOP Senate in 2015, with only Collins and one other Republican voting against it.)
"Skinny-repeal" (which, according to reports, would repeal the individual mandate, the employer mandate, and the medical device tax and leave everything else alone) is expected to be brought up for a vote on Thursday or Friday.
We'll probably have a couple days of voting on amendments between then and now. McCain apparently has brought three or four Medicaid amendments for consideration. Democrats supposedly have 120 amendments they intend to bring up.
Any guess how many amendments McConnell let's the Dems do before he cuts them off? I'm guessing under well under 20.
(Matt Fuller is a health care reporter for Huffington Post.)
The worst possible policy is the one that's going to go into law. Say goodbye to the individual insurance market.
That... would still need to pass the Senate...
Don't assume bad intentions over neglect and misunderstanding.
Christ, this is fucking madness.
McConnell would be fine not letting Dems be a part of the process at all
They already aren't. Like none of them have anything to do with this at all.
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Sure, but I think he'll at least let them blather about stuff for a bit as a fig leaf.
He hasn't cared about showing them a fig leaf at any step of the way in his entire career. Why would he start now?
The previous repeal votes have been to remove Obamacare wholesale, or as much as they can around the filibuster. Removing just the mandate and no other major functions breaks the market, and will make Obamacare shitty after some time.
That's their point, here. People are liking Obamacare, enough that they cannot push through straight repeal. So they're changing strategy, from removing it, to making Obamacare suck. Once it's shitty for a while, then they'll remove it.
See Hedgethorn's comment.