Watched a couple episodes of The Gifted. Like The Orville, I liked the real show more than I figured based on previews.
Inhumans.... I struggle to say anything nice about this show. Sometimes it is bad script, bad actors, or bad sets. Often all three at the same time. Am waiting for the show to make the turn around like season 1 of AoS did, but unlike AoS I fucking hate half the cast of Inhumans.
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I'm still real fucking salty about Simcity - Bel and I spend $130 on two release-day copies of it and couldn't play together for like a month, and when we finally could it sucked.
oh yeah and then they started doing goddamn microtransactions for new assets and it started looking like The Sims But Zoomed Out Really Far and fk u EA you bastards
Forget the always online bullshit, my favorite thing about the new Sim City was how EA bragged all about their agent-based city simulation, where there would be real people in your city! With homes and jobs! All the simulation would emerge organically from their decisions isn't that so incredibly cool!
But the agents used way too much CPU power to be viable and the behaviors that emerged didn't make for good gameplay. So they went through a successive series of feature cuts and scalebacks to make the game even function.
First they were simplified to be "representative" of like 100 or so people so the CPU didn't have to iterate over several million people each simulation step.
To save more computing power, they were stripped of all identity other than random names hashed out at runtime. They no longer had homes, jobs, or families, and instead just wandered into to the nearest unoccupied job they qualified for on any given day, hung out for 8 hours, then drove "home" to the nearest dwelling with capacity to hold them. They were like the fkin borg, only without the hive mind. It was creepy as shit.
Property value couldn't be calculated off the agent behavior anymore so it was done with a separate system. Loads of other systems needed the same treatment. They were hastily slapped together.
The borg drones cruising from nearest home to nearest job created unrealistic, difficult to manage traffic issues. And that couldn't be fixed short of removing agents entirely. Which was not possible because the agents were a major marketing point and they had to be visible to the user and shown for animation purposes.
Zoning like a real city didn't work right because everyone tried to live as close to work as possible at the cost of all else. People forced far outside with city would have commutes so long they'd never make it to work before turning around and going home.
The map size and population cap were greatly lowered to paper over the flaws introduced by the behavior simplifications and unconnected city simulation systems mushed together, but it still didn't work. They released this trash fire to the public and the rest is history.
Donkey Kong on
Thousands of hot, local singles are waiting to play at bubbulon.com.
Also I've been weirdly preoccupied with death lately, but not in like, a normal way.
More like "I'm going to die, and that's why it's bullshit that I have to have these papers."
My niece is 4 and she recently went through a 2 week phase where she was very death focused. A friend of her father was killed in Afghanistan and a friend of my sister and me lost his father in like a week so that was probably the catalyst.
For instance we drove past a cemetary and she said, "It's so sad." "What's sad?" "All those people died. And they don't get to see their families." (Which she has not connected to my Dad, who she talks to all the time up in Heaven and says she misses all the time even though he died a year before she was born.)
The two funny ones were when she said calmly to my father-in-law in the middle of playing "You're old. You're going to die soon."
And "I have a thought. I don't ever want to die." And while my wife tried to decide how to react to that "Mommy says if I eat my vegetables I won't die."
My son asked a couple of weeks back if I was going to die.
I told him that I absolutely would someday.
He got really excited and asked me if he could have all my stuff.
I'm not sure whether to be proud of horrified.
Dealing with the existential horror that kids go thru at like age 4 or so when they realize they will die someday has been my absolute least favorite part of parenting
#3 still has yet to hit it yet
My son is 5 but still hasn't really had to confront death yet. He just doesn't understand it.
That's why he responded like I was deleting a WoW character
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I mean you’re not obligated to give a game a second look but I thought everyone agreed that hello games handled the fallout like rookies but that the real evil here was pressure from Sony to drop it early.
All I’m saying is that there is a corporation to blame here
I dunno why they lied about stuff in the marketing then. Almost certainly at least partially Sony's fault for pushing it out to market.
They were literally officially cleared of false advertising charges.
Yes and I found that to be disgusting and a blow against consumers because the guy straight up lied. Like, no wishy washy statements, he said things were in the game that were not in the game and still aren't in the game to my knowledge. It sucks that they didn't get dinged for that!
I disagree.
Like, it's abundantly clear that what they released was not what they wanted as the finished product, as evidenced by the constant and occasionally very substantial updates.
Even if we grant that the release lacked something significant that was promised instead of just not living up to expectations, saying they lied to build hype feels totally wrong. Like, it seems like a fundamental misunderstanding of Murray (the other, like, three people at Hello Games didn't really say much) as a person. This game was his pride and joy, something he'd been dreaming about making. He spoke multiple times about how much he dislikes hype, and it seemed clear to me that everything he said was due to his own enthusiasm and despite the hype it would create, rather than because of it.
I'm fine with people being disappointed in the game! I can see why they would have expected something else! But accusing Murray of being a ruthless profiteering liar while at the same time saying EA's release was just flawed feels really weird.
Also I've been weirdly preoccupied with death lately, but not in like, a normal way.
More like "I'm going to die, and that's why it's bullshit that I have to have these papers."
My niece is 4 and she recently went through a 2 week phase where she was very death focused. A friend of her father was killed in Afghanistan and a friend of my sister and me lost his father in like a week so that was probably the catalyst.
For instance we drove past a cemetary and she said, "It's so sad." "What's sad?" "All those people died. And they don't get to see their families." (Which she has not connected to my Dad, who she talks to all the time up in Heaven and says she misses all the time even though he died a year before she was born.)
The two funny ones were when she said calmly to my father-in-law in the middle of playing "You're old. You're going to die soon."
And "I have a thought. I don't ever want to die." And while my wife tried to decide how to react to that "Mommy says if I eat my vegetables I won't die."
My son asked a couple of weeks back if I was going to die.
I told him that I absolutely would someday.
He got really excited and asked me if he could have all my stuff.
I'm not sure whether to be proud of horrified.
Dealing with the existential horror that kids go thru at like age 4 or so when they realize they will die someday has been my absolute least favorite part of parenting
#3 still has yet to hit it yet
My son is 5 but still hasn't really had to confront death yet. He just doesn't understand it.
That's why he responded like I was deleting a WoW character
Well, I wish you luck with it.
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it's interesting to see these NBA and MLB franchises get involved in esports
could be a very different scene in a couple years
I'm glad they already kicked out the sixers team, because smart.
they just brought in the Yankees tho
Honestly reading an article about this, it feels kind of shit how they are deciding who gets to be in and who doesn't.
How does the NFL/NBA/MLB decide who gets the expansion teams?
What I'm really concerned about is the lack of a players union given how necessary it is when there's a sole employer
I believe there's a process. But like I joked about them kicking out the sixers team, but they had been in the league since its inception and now they just aren't? And other teams are getting shown the door, while the yankees are invited in. It feels hinky.
I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
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I mean you’re not obligated to give a game a second look but I thought everyone agreed that hello games handled the fallout like rookies but that the real evil here was pressure from Sony to drop it early.
All I’m saying is that there is a corporation to blame here
I dunno why they lied about stuff in the marketing then. Almost certainly at least partially Sony's fault for pushing it out to market.
They were literally officially cleared of false advertising charges.
Yes and I found that to be disgusting and a blow against consumers because the guy straight up lied. Like, no wishy washy statements, he said things were in the game that were not in the game and still aren't in the game to my knowledge. It sucks that they didn't get dinged for that!
I disagree.
Like, it's abundantly clear that what they released was not they wanted as the finished product, as evidenced by the constant and occasionally very substantial updates.
Even if we grant that the release lacked something significant that was promised instead of just not living up to expectations, saying they lied to build hype feels totally wrong. Like, it seems like a fundamental misunderstanding of Murray (the other, like, three people at Hello Games didn't really say much) as a person. This game was his pride and joy, something he'd been dreaming about making. He spoke multiple times about how much he dislikes hype, and it seemed clear to me that everything he said was due to his own enthusiasm and despite the hype it would create, rather than because of it.
I'm fine with people being disappointed in the game! I can see why they would have expected something else! But accusing Murray of being a ruthless profiteering liar while at the same time saying EA's release was just flawed feels really weird.
I feel like false advertising in this sense would be someone saying Hey play our game Battlefield duty of Murder and then showing a bunch of call of duty gameplay and cut scenes.
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Wrong, I'm totino's pizza boy
maybe i'm streaming terrible dj right now if i am its here
I mean you’re not obligated to give a game a second look but I thought everyone agreed that hello games handled the fallout like rookies but that the real evil here was pressure from Sony to drop it early.
All I’m saying is that there is a corporation to blame here
I dunno why they lied about stuff in the marketing then. Almost certainly at least partially Sony's fault for pushing it out to market.
They were literally officially cleared of false advertising charges.
Yes and I found that to be disgusting and a blow against consumers because the guy straight up lied. Like, no wishy washy statements, he said things were in the game that were not in the game and still aren't in the game to my knowledge. It sucks that they didn't get dinged for that!
I disagree.
Like, it's abundantly clear that what they released was not they wanted as the finished product, as evidenced by the constant and occasionally very substantial updates.
Even if we grant that the release lacked something significant that was promised instead of just not living up to expectations, saying they lied to build hype feels totally wrong. Like, it seems like a fundamental misunderstanding of Murray (the other, like, three people at Hello Games didn't really say much) as a person. This game was his pride and joy, something he'd been dreaming about making. He spoke multiple times about how much he dislikes hype, and it seemed clear to me that everything he said was due to his own enthusiasm and despite the hype it would create, rather than because of it.
I'm fine with people being disappointed in the game! I can see why they would have expected something else! But accusing Murray of being a ruthless profiteering liar while at the same time saying EA's release was just flawed feels really weird.
Hey if he disliked hype he shouldn't have gone on talk shows and repeatedly lied about what was in the game. It seems highly unlikely he didn't know the things he was saying weren't gonna happen, but he said them anyway. What they released may not have been what they wanted, but that doesn't excuse the fact that they lied to consumers about it. And not in a "oh that was a year ago and changes have been made" kind of way, but in a "the game comes out next month and major features you're talking about in PR events aren't actually in the game" kind of way. I don't know why they'd do that other than to get people excited about the game. When the game came out and people tested out things like navigating to the same planet and seeing if multi worked their response was like "Wow people did that already? That's amazing!" and totally ignored the reason for people being upset about it.
SimCity is an entirely different beast and I definitely agree that it had huge major problems. I enjoyed the opening hours of it and then quickly hit a wall where I couldn't enjoy it further. Nothing to do with my opinion about Hello Games being shitty with their PR.
I mean you’re not obligated to give a game a second look but I thought everyone agreed that hello games handled the fallout like rookies but that the real evil here was pressure from Sony to drop it early.
All I’m saying is that there is a corporation to blame here
I dunno why they lied about stuff in the marketing then. Almost certainly at least partially Sony's fault for pushing it out to market.
They were literally officially cleared of false advertising charges.
Yes and I found that to be disgusting and a blow against consumers because the guy straight up lied. Like, no wishy washy statements, he said things were in the game that were not in the game and still aren't in the game to my knowledge. It sucks that they didn't get dinged for that!
I disagree.
Like, it's abundantly clear that what they released was not they wanted as the finished product, as evidenced by the constant and occasionally very substantial updates.
Even if we grant that the release lacked something significant that was promised instead of just not living up to expectations, saying they lied to build hype feels totally wrong. Like, it seems like a fundamental misunderstanding of Murray (the other, like, three people at Hello Games didn't really say much) as a person. This game was his pride and joy, something he'd been dreaming about making. He spoke multiple times about how much he dislikes hype, and it seemed clear to me that everything he said was due to his own enthusiasm and despite the hype it would create, rather than because of it.
I'm fine with people being disappointed in the game! I can see why they would have expected something else! But accusing Murray of being a ruthless profiteering liar while at the same time saying EA's release was just flawed feels really weird.
I feel like false advertising in this sense would be someone saying Hey play our game Battlefield duty of Murder and then showing a bunch of call of duty gameplay and cut scenes.
The article lists the specific claims and what the agency found in its review.
It's an interesting read for how that stuff gets evaluated!
It bugs me, a lot, that the artist was too lazy to draw God's thumb, so the picture looks like God is right swiping, and then just said "left swipe" in a text bubble.
They likely could've have worked out a "watch your sims!" system if it was limited to a few hundred people no problem ezpz, then modeled everything else virtually.
not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
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Adoption is such a shit show. It's especially a shit show if you want an infant.
So many agencies bar us at the door because they want a statement of faith and apparently "hail satan" doesn't count
I joke because I don't have the capacity to go into a rant about all of the other bullshit. All this aside, I'm going into this with a lot of trepidation, whereas Chelle is full gung ho, so these bullshit gates and barriers are really getting to her especially.
You want to blow a baby into someone and raise it but you're also a heroin addict or a republican? No problem! Nobody even checks on you unless someone complains.
You want to adopt a baby? Well sit down because you're getting probed.
It bugs me, a lot, that the artist was too lazy to draw God's thumb, so the picture looks like God is right swiping, and then just said "left swipe" in a text bubble.
THATS SAINT PETER NOT GOD
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GOD HAS NO COMPREHENSIBLE FORM
maybe i'm streaming terrible dj right now if i am its here
I'm still real fucking salty about Simcity - Bel and I spend $130 on two release-day copies of it and couldn't play together for like a month, and when we finally could it sucked.
oh yeah and then they started doing goddamn microtransactions for new assets and it started looking like The Sims But Zoomed Out Really Far and fk u EA you bastards
Forget the always online bullshit, my favorite thing about the new Sim City was how EA bragged all about their agent-based city simulation, where there would be real people in your city! With homes and jobs! All the simulation would emerge organically from their decisions isn't that so incredibly cool!
But the agents used way too much CPU power to be viable and the behaviors that emerged didn't make for good gameplay. So they went through a successive series of feature cuts and scalebacks to make the game even function.
First they were simplified to be "representative" of like 100 or so people so the CPU didn't have to iterate over several million people each simulation step.
To save more computing power, they were stripped of all identity other than random names hashed out at runtime. They no longer had homes, jobs, or families, and instead just wandered into to the nearest unoccupied job they qualified for on any given day, hung out for 8 hours, then drove "home" to the nearest dwelling with capacity to hold them. They were like the fkin borg, only without the hive mind. It was creepy as shit.
Property value couldn't be calculated off the agent behavior anymore so it was done with a separate system. Loads of other systems needed the same treatment. They were hastily slapped together.
The borg drones cruising from nearest home to nearest job created unrealistic, difficult to manage traffic issues. And that couldn't be fixed short of removing agents entirely. Which was not possible because the agents were a major marketing point and they had to be visible to the user and shown for animation purposes.
Zoning like a real city didn't work right because everyone tried to live as close to work as possible at the cost of all else. People forced far outside with city would have commutes so long they'd never make it to work before turning around and going home.
The map size and population cap were greatly lowered to paper over the flaws introduced by the behavior simplifications and unconnected city simulation systems mushed together, but it still didn't work. They released this trash fire to the public and the rest is history.
It was sillier than that. If it was just every agent being 100 or so people on the population count, the population count would still be useful to gauging city size.
Instead they used some nonlinear system to prevent the fudging from being too obvious at lower population sizes.
simcity.GetFudgedPopulation = function (a) {
a = "undefined" !== typeof a ? a : simcity.gGlobalUIHandler.mLastPopulation;
if (500 >= a)
return a;
if (40845 < a)
return Math.floor(8.25 * a);
a = Math.pow(a - 500, 1.2) + 500;
return Math.floor(a)
};
it's interesting to see these NBA and MLB franchises get involved in esports
could be a very different scene in a couple years
I'm glad they already kicked out the sixers team, because smart.
they just brought in the Yankees tho
Honestly reading an article about this, it feels kind of shit how they are deciding who gets to be in and who doesn't.
How does the NFL/NBA/MLB decide who gets the expansion teams?
What I'm really concerned about is the lack of a players union given how necessary it is when there's a sole employer
eSports is a wild west of stupid bullshit and the DotA scene especially is less organized than a high school group project with oversized groups because we can't afford more lab stations due to educational funding cuts, THANKS LOUISIANA.
It bugs me, a lot, that the artist was too lazy to draw God's thumb, so the picture looks like God is right swiping, and then just said "left swipe" in a text bubble.
Adoption is such a shit show. It's especially a shit show if you want an infant.
So many agencies bar us at the door because they want a statement of faith and apparently "hail satan" doesn't count
I joke because I don't have the capacity to go into a rant about all of the other bullshit. All this aside, I'm going into this with a lot of trepidation, whereas Chelle is full gung ho, so these bullshit gates and barriers are really getting to her especially.
You want to blow a baby into someone and raise it but you're also a heroin addict or a republican? No problem! Nobody even checks on you unless someone complains.
You want to adopt a baby? Well sit down because you're getting probed.
How do you guys feel about surrogacy? It's usually "cheaper" and super less bullshit than infant adoption.
not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
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They likely could've have worked out a "watch your sims!" system if it was limited to a few hundred people no problem ezpz, then modeled everything else virtually.
Didn't City Skylines implement exactly this? Like, I could follow a guy that went from the same home to his same job. And then eventually when he got too old, he would die. I think early on their were problems where a whole generation would just die off pretty much at the same time and the cemeteries couldn't handle the load.
The death waves! :biggrin:
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I'm glad they already kicked out the sixers team, because smart.
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they just brought in the Yankees tho
Honestly reading an article about this, it feels kind of shit how they are deciding who gets to be in and who doesn't.
pleasepaypreacher.net
How does the NFL/NBA/MLB decide who gets the expansion teams?
What I'm really concerned about is the lack of a players union given how necessary it is when there's a sole employer
Dunno... We will see with Mario. I had to bite on the Prime Preorder for that one.
Saw Spider-Man Homecoming. Was most excellent.
Caught up on Orville. Is surprisingly decent.
Watched a couple episodes of The Gifted. Like The Orville, I liked the real show more than I figured based on previews.
Inhumans.... I struggle to say anything nice about this show. Sometimes it is bad script, bad actors, or bad sets. Often all three at the same time. Am waiting for the show to make the turn around like season 1 of AoS did, but unlike AoS I fucking hate half the cast of Inhumans.
Forget the always online bullshit, my favorite thing about the new Sim City was how EA bragged all about their agent-based city simulation, where there would be real people in your city! With homes and jobs! All the simulation would emerge organically from their decisions isn't that so incredibly cool!
But the agents used way too much CPU power to be viable and the behaviors that emerged didn't make for good gameplay. So they went through a successive series of feature cuts and scalebacks to make the game even function.
First they were simplified to be "representative" of like 100 or so people so the CPU didn't have to iterate over several million people each simulation step.
To save more computing power, they were stripped of all identity other than random names hashed out at runtime. They no longer had homes, jobs, or families, and instead just wandered into to the nearest unoccupied job they qualified for on any given day, hung out for 8 hours, then drove "home" to the nearest dwelling with capacity to hold them. They were like the fkin borg, only without the hive mind. It was creepy as shit.
Property value couldn't be calculated off the agent behavior anymore so it was done with a separate system. Loads of other systems needed the same treatment. They were hastily slapped together.
The borg drones cruising from nearest home to nearest job created unrealistic, difficult to manage traffic issues. And that couldn't be fixed short of removing agents entirely. Which was not possible because the agents were a major marketing point and they had to be visible to the user and shown for animation purposes.
Zoning like a real city didn't work right because everyone tried to live as close to work as possible at the cost of all else. People forced far outside with city would have commutes so long they'd never make it to work before turning around and going home.
The map size and population cap were greatly lowered to paper over the flaws introduced by the behavior simplifications and unconnected city simulation systems mushed together, but it still didn't work. They released this trash fire to the public and the rest is history.
My son is 5 but still hasn't really had to confront death yet. He just doesn't understand it.
That's why he responded like I was deleting a WoW character
Like, it's abundantly clear that what they released was not what they wanted as the finished product, as evidenced by the constant and occasionally very substantial updates.
Even if we grant that the release lacked something significant that was promised instead of just not living up to expectations, saying they lied to build hype feels totally wrong. Like, it seems like a fundamental misunderstanding of Murray (the other, like, three people at Hello Games didn't really say much) as a person. This game was his pride and joy, something he'd been dreaming about making. He spoke multiple times about how much he dislikes hype, and it seemed clear to me that everything he said was due to his own enthusiasm and despite the hype it would create, rather than because of it.
I'm fine with people being disappointed in the game! I can see why they would have expected something else! But accusing Murray of being a ruthless profiteering liar while at the same time saying EA's release was just flawed feels really weird.
Well, I wish you luck with it.
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I believe there's a process. But like I joked about them kicking out the sixers team, but they had been in the league since its inception and now they just aren't? And other teams are getting shown the door, while the yankees are invited in. It feels hinky.
pleasepaypreacher.net
maybe i'm streaming terrible dj right now if i am its here
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Hey if he disliked hype he shouldn't have gone on talk shows and repeatedly lied about what was in the game. It seems highly unlikely he didn't know the things he was saying weren't gonna happen, but he said them anyway. What they released may not have been what they wanted, but that doesn't excuse the fact that they lied to consumers about it. And not in a "oh that was a year ago and changes have been made" kind of way, but in a "the game comes out next month and major features you're talking about in PR events aren't actually in the game" kind of way. I don't know why they'd do that other than to get people excited about the game. When the game came out and people tested out things like navigating to the same planet and seeing if multi worked their response was like "Wow people did that already? That's amazing!" and totally ignored the reason for people being upset about it.
SimCity is an entirely different beast and I definitely agree that it had huge major problems. I enjoyed the opening hours of it and then quickly hit a wall where I couldn't enjoy it further. Nothing to do with my opinion about Hello Games being shitty with their PR.
I still don't understand why
It's an interesting read for how that stuff gets evaluated!
Because he's also someone yelling CHINA NJUMBER ONE
It bugs me, a lot, that the artist was too lazy to draw God's thumb, so the picture looks like God is right swiping, and then just said "left swipe" in a text bubble.
So many agencies bar us at the door because they want a statement of faith and apparently "hail satan" doesn't count
I joke because I don't have the capacity to go into a rant about all of the other bullshit. All this aside, I'm going into this with a lot of trepidation, whereas Chelle is full gung ho, so these bullshit gates and barriers are really getting to her especially.
You want to blow a baby into someone and raise it but you're also a heroin addict or a republican? No problem! Nobody even checks on you unless someone complains.
You want to adopt a baby? Well sit down because you're getting probed.
THATS SAINT PETER NOT GOD
maybe i'm streaming terrible dj right now if i am its here
maybe i'm streaming terrible dj right now if i am its here
It was sillier than that. If it was just every agent being 100 or so people on the population count, the population count would still be useful to gauging city size.
Instead they used some nonlinear system to prevent the fudging from being too obvious at lower population sizes.
simcity.GetFudgedPopulation = function (a) { a = "undefined" !== typeof a ? a : simcity.gGlobalUIHandler.mLastPopulation; if (500 >= a) return a; if (40845 < a) return Math.floor(8.25 * a); a = Math.pow(a - 500, 1.2) + 500; return Math.floor(a) };eSports is a wild west of stupid bullshit and the DotA scene especially is less organized than a high school group project with oversized groups because we can't afford more lab stations due to educational funding cuts, THANKS LOUISIANA.
You're saint peter
gotem
you have no comprehensible form
Someone post God’s butt.
How do you guys feel about surrogacy? It's usually "cheaper" and super less bullshit than infant adoption.
The death waves! :biggrin: