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[US Foreign Policy] Talk about the Foreign Policy of the United States
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Yeah, there’s a body.
Mostly.
*some assembly required
Its amazing though to have a president who's sole overriding priority is to avoid ever creating an environment in which anyone is held accountable lest he find himself held so.
Poli. Sci major here. Most Monarchies did actually start out with elected leaders in the early days. The Franks, the Danes, the Lombards, the Visigoths and Saxons all started out with elected kings. The Danish crown had to have a pro-forma election way into the 1650s. The British monarchy was elected as system of government with the Restoration and the Glorious revolution of 1688.
We basically elected Tony Soprano president, and then are surprised when he’s like “what, crime? This is a legitimate garbage hauling business and I don’t know how those body parts ended up in there”
And they both cheat on their wives with the Russians, budda bing badda boom
https://theintercept.com/2018/10/15/the-washington-post-as-it-shames-others-continues-to-pay-and-publish-undisclosed-saudi-lobbyists-and-other-regime-propagandists/
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/10/16/washington-post-lobbyist-writer-909881
Like, what the hell more do you need to conclude this was murder? What other possibility exists?
Like, Does trump need video of the "interrogators" coming over to the man with a chainsaw saying in english "Sir, I'm going to procede to remove your legs arms and head in order to cause you considerable discomfort and ultimately kill you because the government believes you to be disloyal. Be advised that this is effectively murder."
Jacqueline Alemany writes for the Washington Post
The "two sources say Jared is a real good boy doing good work" stories will never get old, to me. What a waste of space.
Steam Bnet:KetBra#1692 Yo Satan
Warren 2020
After that, Khashoggi is heard screaming. He’s not interrogated. Eventually he’s drugged with an unknown substance and they begin dismembering him while he’s still alive. At one point, a voice that appears to be leading the proceedings says he is going to listen to music on his headphones, and suggests that the others do the same.
The recording is seven minutes long.
*edit* Middle Eastern Eye are covering the same story and aren’t behind a paywall. Their details are consistent. Apparently Turkish authorities have released three minutes of the audio to a Turkish newspaper, so that should hit tomorrow.
Yeah, this stinks of petty revenge by an aggrieved autocrat.
This is Trump if he had his way.
The
Fuck
if that audio recording actually exists and goes public I dont see how any administration can ever justify support on our current level to the Saudis ever again
I dunno. I think the way it reads is more "You need to find someone to blame this on" rather than "you need to figure out what happened". Because there's simply no way in fuck that they don't know who participated in this.
If they're only going to identify and punish the person who literally "culprit responsible for Khashoggi’s death", rather than everyone associated with the death, then it's clearly going to be someone expendable, and confessing under duress. Everyone in that room, and anyone who directed the people in the room, they're all fucking complicit, and therefore should all be punished, regardless of if they didn't deliver the final blow that killed him.
The tweet not be conveying what was actual said, but if the tweet is an accurate representation of what was said, it's SCREAMING "Find a scapegoat, and find him soon.".
And that's something I can absolutely believe Kushner said. The entire fucking family is about blameshifting, including the ones that married into it.
No, the worst part of all of this is that the president of the united states would rather give benefit of the doubt to the Saudi government (even after they admitted that this happened) then accept what is blatantly obvious.
But, you know, it could have been anyone. Really.
Steam, Warframe: Megajoule
Warren 2020
Yeah, I was marvelling at how pissed the Turks must be if they're just giving up the fact that they bugged the Saudi consulate.
Steam Bnet:KetBra#1692 Yo Satan
battletag: Millin#1360
Nice chart to figure out how honest a news source is.
Warren 2020
"Orkses never lose a battle. If we win we win, if we die we die fightin so it don't count. If we runs for it we don't die neither, cos we can come back for annuver go, see!".
-Indiana Solo, runner of blades
"Orkses never lose a battle. If we win we win, if we die we die fightin so it don't count. If we runs for it we don't die neither, cos we can come back for annuver go, see!".
And as much as I don’t doubt something like that happened it’s probably also good to remember that Turkish authorities are also assholes who lie daily. If that audio snippet doesn’t hit today I’m gonna assume they made it up.
Steam Bnet:KetBra#1692 Yo Satan
Steam, Warframe: Megajoule
This would be incredibly stupid for the Turkish government to lie about, so it isn't impossible, but the fact that the guy went in but didn't come oit does give them some credibility here.
I don’t think it gives credibility to the recording existing. It gives huge credibility to the fact that the man was murdered in there but we know this already.
The chances involved, bugging that specific room, being willing to disclose that you were bugging a consulate. It just doesn’t seem plausible to me. I’ll believe it if they release it, I’m not dumb, but not a second before that.
Don't know if that was corroborated at all.
Ah. Internet now suggesting that was the cover story.
Oh hey! A knife!
This is absolutely horrifying
Erdogan has basically no reason to sit on this; SA was doing wetworks within his borders, trump has fucked with him for the dumbest reasons and SA having it's relationship with the US nuked would severely weaken them as a force in the region.
And I'm really hoping, but not expecting, the media will not broadcast this. That it'll be confirmed as such by someone within the news organization, but nothing actually put on air. Because no amount of disclaimers seems like it'd be enough, if it's what is purported, it's the audio track of a snuff film. And the idea of people actually wanting to listen is as ghoulish as fuck.
The "active shooter" social media clips that they've shown in the past were horrific enough. If this is made into "entertainment" for ratings, I am going to lose it.
Yeah, the watch story theoretically possible, but pretty obviously bullshit. Embassys tend to not have good cell reception as part of the whole 'try and prevent bugs' thing, plus he'd have to have set the thing to record audio before he got grabbed. It's possible that he went in there with picocell in bag or the watch uploaded to the cloud when they took his various giblets outside, but really this is an 'obvious cover story is obvious' situation.
Thing about the Turks bugging the consulate is that that's one of those open secrets that nobody talks about. Everyone bugs everyone's embassy and/or consulate, and everyone knows that everyone does this. It's bad manners to admit to this, but given the specifics here the only people who will try and make hay out of it will be Trump and MBS.
MBS really is the worst person.
People thought the same thing after they killed those people in New York City.