Tucker Carlson hasn't had the stones to wear a bow tie since Jon Stewart lit him up. He's been wearing regular ties only for a long time now.
Is this the part where I get to post one of my favorite videos on the Internet? I think this is the part where I get to post one of my favorite videos on the Internet.
Shortytouching the meatIntergalactic Cool CourtRegistered Userregular
that screenshot always makes me think that he looks like a novelty fast food character from the late eighties
I think it's the makeup or something
0
Options
WeaverWho are you?What do you want?Registered Userregular
I bet 10 real actual dollars that Tucker Carlson has a poorly optimized bitcoin rig that spends more processing cycles as part of a bot-net than it does mining.
I don't think I believe that green party voters would vote dem if they didn't have a candidate
seems way more likely to me that they would just not bother voting
anyway the real solution here is to do ranked choice voting, not get mad at the green party
I don't disagree, but considering how Jill Stein was willing to engage in vaccine skepticism and vaguely coddle 9/11 truthers to net a couple extra votes, I think it's reasonable to be a little mad at the Green Party.
Blaming third party candidates for Democrats losing elections is an understandable impulse, because it puts the onus on someone else. It's not particularly helpful in any context, and anyone who starts screaming about Jill Stein when Trump does something bad is...maybe not someone I will go back to for political takes. Mostly, even if Jill Stein voters played a key role in Trump winning, or any variation on that theme down the ballot, yelling about it isn't going to accomplish anything (and the evidence sure doesn't point to Jill Stein being a major factor there, to be clear). There are things the Democrats did and continue to do that need to be fixed, and things the Republicans did and continue to do that need to be fought.
Jill Stein sucks, in general, but she is largely irrelevant, aside from...does anyone know if that Jill Stein recount thing ever had any resolution? I assume somebody followed up on that, because uh...I mean, somebody definitely should have followed up on that???
Yelling at people for voting third party probably makes them more likely to vote third party
Marty: The future, it's where you're going? Doc: That's right, twenty five years into the future. I've always dreamed on seeing the future, looking beyond my years, seeing the progress of mankind. I'll also be able to see who wins the next twenty-five world series.
I'm not so much upset at people voting for 3rd parties than I'm upset we don't have ranked choice voting that allows for those votes to be cast and have political meaning beyond acting as a spoiler.
I'm not so much upset at people voting for 3rd parties than I'm upset we don't have ranked choice voting that allows for those votes to be cast and have political meaning beyond acting as a spoiler.
Something I wonder about is if third parties would actually prefer the current system to ranked voting. The parties, not the voters. Obviously PR would be ideal for them since they could actually get representation, but under FPTP they actually do have the ability to influence things as a spoiler, and ranked voting would nullify that influence.
I suppose it depends on how strongly they believe they can get their candidates to beat the major party candidates with significantly more funding and organization.
The race for Jeff Flakes old Senate seat is still going and last time checked with 99% reporting Sienma (Dem) is in the lead by 9,000 votes. If elected, she will be the first openly bisexual person elected to the U.S. Senate and the second openly LGBT person ever to serve in the Senate, after Tammy Baldwin. So that's neat.
I mean she's gone waaaaay centrist since her green party roots, but hey listen
This is Arizona, our last senators were McCain and Flake
Oh dang, I didn't realize they were still counting!
Last time I checked (sometime yesterday), McSally was in the lead. Good to see it's flipped since then.
The race for Jeff Flakes old Senate seat is still going and last time checked with 99% reporting Sienma (Dem) is in the lead by 9,000 votes. If elected, she will be the first openly bisexual person elected to the U.S. Senate and the second openly LGBT person ever to serve in the Senate, after Tammy Baldwin. So that's neat.
I mean she's gone waaaaay centrist since her green party roots, but hey listen
This is Arizona, our last senators were McCain and Flake
Oh dang, I didn't realize they were still counting!
Last time I checked (sometime yesterday), McSally was in the lead. Good to see it's flipped since then.
I wonder whether they're going forward with the suit.
The lawsuit alleges that signature verification must stop when polls close, and seeks an injunction to stop the counting of such ballots that have been verified after then. It's unclear how many of these votes still remain outstanding, but the suit singles out the state's two biggest urban counties, the center of support for Sinema.
Oh f all these bastards
Fucking third parties splitting the vote. When you're clearly not going to win, drop out so those votes could go dem. That's 40000 votes that could make a huge difference.
The American Green party sucks so much. They refuse to run candidates for local elections and instead keep trying to capture federal offices, despite knowing damn well that they will only serve as a spoiler for Democrats.
All of the Green party candidates on my ballot were for the Metropolitan Water Reclamation District
They absolutely run in local elections (they all lost still, which is a shame because the job is directly tied to things that the Green party cares a whole lot about)
Around here the only third party we get is Libertarian, so it's a moot point, but I love how 90% of the liberal discourse around voting is "Go vote for the least bad candidate. No not that one, the Democrat."
I bet I know how everyone out there protesting Sessions' firing feels about the BLM movement
I was out protesting last night. What exactly would you like to accuse me of?
Realizing lately that I don't really trust or respect basically any of the moderators here. So, good luck with life, friends! Hit me up on Twitter @DesertLeviathan
Around here the only third party we get is Libertarian, so it's a moot point, but I love how 90% of the liberal discourse around voting is "Go vote for the least bad candidate. No not that one, the Democrat."
The good news about Sessions' firing is that a white supremacist is out of a job.
The bad news is that a Trump puppet, rather than Rosenstein, is now overseeing the Mueller investigation, right as it was about to pick up again following the midterms.
I'm not so much upset at people voting for 3rd parties than I'm upset we don't have ranked choice voting that allows for those votes to be cast and have political meaning beyond acting as a spoiler.
Something I wonder about is if third parties would actually prefer the current system to ranked voting. The parties, not the voters. Obviously PR would be ideal for them since they could actually get representation, but under FPTP they actually do have the ability to influence things as a spoiler, and ranked voting would nullify that influence.
I suppose it depends on how strongly they believe they can get their candidates to beat the major party candidates with significantly more funding and organization.
Speaking from a country with ranked voting: there's a bunch of factors that intertwine to make the system preferable for third parties. Eg because our campaign funding laws work differently to the US, there's an incentive for parties to get votes even if they have no chance at winning a seat, and if you take away ranked voting way less people are gonna vote third party. So back home they love it
But the financial imbalance in America is still gonna be a major confounding issue that alters the calculus, along with disenfranchisement, so there's probably a few things that need to be addressed simultaneously.
That said, I'm not gonna discount the asshole factor, but any non major party who actually wants a serious chance at influencing a national agenda should embrace ranked voting. (Note for any policy people reading: the Hare-Clark system has been mathematically shown to best represent the will of individual voters on a mass scale). Interestingly, the US primary system has almost become a de facto ranking method, since this is where less centrist candidates can push the agenda of the eventual candidate. But FPTP is still total garbage.
Around here the only third party we get is Libertarian, so it's a moot point, but I love how 90% of the liberal discourse around voting is "Go vote for the least bad candidate. No not that one, the Democrat."
Around here the only third party we get is Libertarian, so it's a moot point, but I love how 90% of the liberal discourse around voting is "Go vote for the least bad candidate. No not that one, the Democrat."
The Democrat is always the least bad candidate.
Absolutely not true.
Outside of primary elections, it’s more or less true for elections in the US.
Around here the only third party we get is Libertarian, so it's a moot point, but I love how 90% of the liberal discourse around voting is "Go vote for the least bad candidate. No not that one, the Democrat."
The Democrat is always the least bad candidate.
Absolutely not true.
Outside of primary elections, it’s more or less true for elections in the US.
Disagree, anyone can get on the ballot as a third party
Around here the only third party we get is Libertarian, so it's a moot point, but I love how 90% of the liberal discourse around voting is "Go vote for the least bad candidate. No not that one, the Democrat."
The Democrat is always the least bad candidate.
Absolutely not true.
Outside of primary elections, it’s more or less true for elections in the US.
Disagree, anyone can get on the ballot as a third party
and some of them even win. There are two independents in the senate right now.
Ranked choice can make this better, removing the spoilerification factor and not letting the most disliked candidate win.
Around here the only third party we get is Libertarian, so it's a moot point, but I love how 90% of the liberal discourse around voting is "Go vote for the least bad candidate. No not that one, the Democrat."
The Democrat is always the least bad candidate.
Absolutely not true.
Outside of primary elections, it’s more or less true for elections in the US.
Disagree, anyone can get on the ballot as a third party
This is why I, the most reasonable voter, write in "Superman, only much better" for every candidate.
Sure he's not likely to win... so long as you rubes keep voting for party politics.
The race for Jeff Flakes old Senate seat is still going and last time checked with 99% reporting Sienma (Dem) is in the lead by 9,000 votes. If elected, she will be the first openly bisexual person elected to the U.S. Senate and the second openly LGBT person ever to serve in the Senate, after Tammy Baldwin. So that's neat.
I mean she's gone waaaaay centrist since her green party roots, but hey listen
This is Arizona, our last senators were McCain and Flake
Oh dang, I didn't realize they were still counting!
Last time I checked (sometime yesterday), McSally was in the lead. Good to see it's flipped since then.
The race for Jeff Flakes old Senate seat is still going and last time checked with 99% reporting Sienma (Dem) is in the lead by 9,000 votes. If elected, she will be the first openly bisexual person elected to the U.S. Senate and the second openly LGBT person ever to serve in the Senate, after Tammy Baldwin. So that's neat.
I mean she's gone waaaaay centrist since her green party roots, but hey listen
This is Arizona, our last senators were McCain and Flake
Oh dang, I didn't realize they were still counting!
Last time I checked (sometime yesterday), McSally was in the lead. Good to see it's flipped since then.
I wonder whether they're going forward with the suit.
The lawsuit alleges that signature verification must stop when polls close, and seeks an injunction to stop the counting of such ballots that have been verified after then. It's unclear how many of these votes still remain outstanding, but the suit singles out the state's two biggest urban counties, the center of support for Sinema.
Oh f all these bastards
Fucking third parties splitting the vote. When you're clearly not going to win, drop out so those votes could go dem. That's 40000 votes that could make a huge difference.
The American Green party sucks so much. They refuse to run candidates for local elections and instead keep trying to capture federal offices, despite knowing damn well that they will only serve as a spoiler for Democrats.
The ironic thing is the green party does more to help keep the air polluted and the water dirty than it does to fix those problems.
Around here the only third party we get is Libertarian, so it's a moot point, but I love how 90% of the liberal discourse around voting is "Go vote for the least bad candidate. No not that one, the Democrat."
The Democrat is always the least bad candidate.
Absolutely not true.
Absolutely true.
Pick your democrat in a primary but in a general all Republicans are outright terrible or will cave to the hive mind and all third party candidates are just a short sighted wasted vote that accomplishes nothing but empowering the wrong people.
A lot of people don't like Joe Manchin, but Joe Manchin would not vote for Mitch McConnell to be Senate Majority leader.
I fucking hated that Phil Bredeson put out a statement in support of Kavanaugh but what am I to do? Not vote or vote for Blackburn?
Jill Stein got more votes than the difference between Hillary and Trump in Michigan and in Pennsylvania and very nearly more than the difference between them in Wisconsin, Gary Johnson absolutely did in all three. The shortsighted ignorance of their voters and people who did not vote put us in the situation we are in today. They are why we are fucked for a generation with Gorsuch and Kavanaugh. They are why we are torturing immigrants and people seeking refugee status and asylum.
If you aren't voting for a Democrat then you're voting for a Republican one way or another. You want them in charge. There's no way around it. That may mean voting for someone you don't think is perfect and I know that feels frustrating, but that is just the effective political reality that you are living in.
Around here the only third party we get is Libertarian, so it's a moot point, but I love how 90% of the liberal discourse around voting is "Go vote for the least bad candidate. No not that one, the Democrat."
The Democrat is always the least bad candidate.
Absolutely not true.
Outside of primary elections, it’s more or less true for elections in the US.
Around here the only third party we get is Libertarian, so it's a moot point, but I love how 90% of the liberal discourse around voting is "Go vote for the least bad candidate. No not that one, the Democrat."
The Democrat is always the least bad candidate.
Absolutely not true.
Absolutely true.
Pick your democrat in a primary but in a general all Republicans are outright terrible or will cave to the hive mind and all third party candidates are just a short sighted wasted vote that accomplishes nothing but empowering the wrong people.
A lot of people don't like Joe Manchin, but Joe Manchin would not vote for Mitch McConnell to be Senate Majority leader.
I fucking hated that Phil Bredeson put out a statement in support of Kavanaugh but what am I to do? Not vote or vote for Blackburn?
Jill Stein got more votes than the difference between Hillary and Trump in Michigan and in Pennsylvania and very nearly more than the difference between them in Wisconsin, Gary Johnson absolutely did in all three. The shortsighted ignorance of their voters and people who did not vote put us in the situation we are in today. They are why we are fucked for a generation with Gorsuch and Kavanaugh. They are why we are torturing immigrants and people seeking refugee status and asylum.
If you aren't voting for a Democrat then you're voting for a Republican one way or another. You want them in charge. There's no way around it. That may mean voting for someone you don't think is perfect and I know that feels frustrating, but that is just the effective political reality that you are living in.
LM fucking AO, thank you for being the representative example for my original point.
Posts
Is this the part where I get to post one of my favorite videos on the Internet? I think this is the part where I get to post one of my favorite videos on the Internet.
I think it's the makeup or something
Jill Stein is also a pro-Russia shill. Fuck her.
Jill Stein sucks, in general, but she is largely irrelevant, aside from...does anyone know if that Jill Stein recount thing ever had any resolution? I assume somebody followed up on that, because uh...I mean, somebody definitely should have followed up on that???
Doc: That's right, twenty five years into the future. I've always dreamed on seeing the future, looking beyond my years, seeing the progress of mankind. I'll also be able to see who wins the next twenty-five world series.
Something I wonder about is if third parties would actually prefer the current system to ranked voting. The parties, not the voters. Obviously PR would be ideal for them since they could actually get representation, but under FPTP they actually do have the ability to influence things as a spoiler, and ranked voting would nullify that influence.
I suppose it depends on how strongly they believe they can get their candidates to beat the major party candidates with significantly more funding and organization.
I bet I know how everyone out there protesting Sessions' firing feels about the BLM movement
All of the Green party candidates on my ballot were for the Metropolitan Water Reclamation District
They absolutely run in local elections (they all lost still, which is a shame because the job is directly tied to things that the Green party cares a whole lot about)
I was out protesting last night. What exactly would you like to accuse me of?
I just think Jill Stein is trash for a number of reasons.
The Democrat is always the least bad candidate.
The bad news is that a Trump puppet, rather than Rosenstein, is now overseeing the Mueller investigation, right as it was about to pick up again following the midterms.
Speaking from a country with ranked voting: there's a bunch of factors that intertwine to make the system preferable for third parties. Eg because our campaign funding laws work differently to the US, there's an incentive for parties to get votes even if they have no chance at winning a seat, and if you take away ranked voting way less people are gonna vote third party. So back home they love it
But the financial imbalance in America is still gonna be a major confounding issue that alters the calculus, along with disenfranchisement, so there's probably a few things that need to be addressed simultaneously.
That said, I'm not gonna discount the asshole factor, but any non major party who actually wants a serious chance at influencing a national agenda should embrace ranked voting. (Note for any policy people reading: the Hare-Clark system has been mathematically shown to best represent the will of individual voters on a mass scale). Interestingly, the US primary system has almost become a de facto ranking method, since this is where less centrist candidates can push the agenda of the eventual candidate. But FPTP is still total garbage.
Absolutely not true.
Outside of primary elections, it’s more or less true for elections in the US.
Disagree, anyone can get on the ballot as a third party
and some of them even win. There are two independents in the senate right now.
Ranked choice can make this better, removing the spoilerification factor and not letting the most disliked candidate win.
This is why I, the most reasonable voter, write in "Superman, only much better" for every candidate.
Sure he's not likely to win... so long as you rubes keep voting for party politics.
Oh fuck directly off
The ironic thing is the green party does more to help keep the air polluted and the water dirty than it does to fix those problems.
Absolutely true.
Pick your democrat in a primary but in a general all Republicans are outright terrible or will cave to the hive mind and all third party candidates are just a short sighted wasted vote that accomplishes nothing but empowering the wrong people.
A lot of people don't like Joe Manchin, but Joe Manchin would not vote for Mitch McConnell to be Senate Majority leader.
I fucking hated that Phil Bredeson put out a statement in support of Kavanaugh but what am I to do? Not vote or vote for Blackburn?
Jill Stein got more votes than the difference between Hillary and Trump in Michigan and in Pennsylvania and very nearly more than the difference between them in Wisconsin, Gary Johnson absolutely did in all three. The shortsighted ignorance of their voters and people who did not vote put us in the situation we are in today. They are why we are fucked for a generation with Gorsuch and Kavanaugh. They are why we are torturing immigrants and people seeking refugee status and asylum.
If you aren't voting for a Democrat then you're voting for a Republican one way or another. You want them in charge. There's no way around it. That may mean voting for someone you don't think is perfect and I know that feels frustrating, but that is just the effective political reality that you are living in.
This will be here until I receive an apology or Weedlordvegeta get any consequences for being a bully
This is both moving the goalposts and wrong
LM fucking AO, thank you for being the representative example for my original point.