The movie recap arcs were a mistake and hopefully they are aware of that.
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Goku vs Frieza, in the original cut, takes somewhere between five and six hours.
The closest we get in Super is either vs Jiren at the end which was either about four episodes or thirty depending on how you frame it, or vs Zamasu which was like...teen episodes but they took breaks while fighting.
The seasonal nature of shit thankfully means no more six hour boughts.
Oh, and watching the TFS review of Broly (which is very good) I learned that they literally rotoscoped Hulk vs Loki for the Goku/Kale fight.
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Those were probably a lot easier to process back when they aired exactly once every weekday, I guess
Maybe 6 episodes wouldn't be so bad! Especially with how segmented the fights in this movie are
Here’s the rub.
In America, yes it was every weekday. Because we got the whole series after it was done.
But it originally aired as once a week. The fight with Frieza probably took like, a whole year to play out in Japan.
Edit: and the whole shit with Jiren did take over a year from his introduction as the next big bad to them finally finishing the tournament
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Can I just say that I absolute love how corny and cheesy the
Doing some reading, it sounds like the movie really does treat itself as the primary canon, with the cartoon and manga spinning off of that
Apparently Goku and Vegeta have post-Blue powerups? And they brought back the Kaioken at some point?
Those sure aren't a thing in the movie at any point
Well
Goku’s ultra Insight is supposed to be actually difficult to consistently reach so its fine here.
Vegeta’s power-up id royal blue right so Im not even sure if he was using that or not.
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Doing some reading, it sounds like the movie really does treat itself as the primary canon, with the cartoon and manga spinning off of that
Apparently Goku and Vegeta have post-Blue powerups? And they brought back the Kaioken at some point?
Those sure aren't a thing in the movie at any point
Well
Goku’s ultra Insight is supposed to be actually difficult to consistently reach so its fine here.
Vegeta’s power-up id royal blue right so Im not even sure if he was using that or not.
He wasn't.
It has a distinctive Aura. Vegeta only goes blue for a quick second and Broly is just wasting them so they peace the fuck out and HAVE FUN FRIEZA
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Teamfourstar posted a video that basically said they are gonna script the next few episodes over the first few months of the year, then during the summer they will edit and record them, and then release the episodes on a weekly basis in the fall.
So there's that!
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I still wish Jiren had a better design. Like the "Grays' thing he's got going on is neat and unique for Dragon Ball but it doesn't feel all there.
They are cowards, and didn't make his eyes all black.
That ended up being a red herring for me.
Ever since Goku first went UI with grey and black eyes, I thought Jiren’s eyes meant he was in ultra Instinct mode the entire time and Goku going UI just put them on even ground.
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One thing that I think this movie did better than any segment of Dragon Ball since, uh, maybe the Freeza saga, is its handling of tension.
Tension, in Dragon Ball, is often meaningless—it's never a question of "will they do it," it's "how will they do it, and how narrow will the margin be." The scale becomes increasingly meaningless, too, because the effective threat level encompasses everything, so we make "everything" bigger but it's still everything. And death of any of the Z fighters, as we know, is meaningless! So tension ends up squandered, to greater or lesser degrees.
But this movie didn't do that! From the very instant, the moment that Goku and Vegeta decide to fuse, Broly's defeat is a foregone conclusion. The Z fighters are going to win.
But the Z Fighters aren't really the heroes of this movie. We're not really rooting for them, we're rooting for Broly. Broly's the underdog in every moment that he's actually fighting, even when he's completely overpowering Goku and Vegeta at their best, because we know that Gogeta is coming. Gogeta doesn't lose fights. They're an instant win any time they appear, full stop, no exceptions.
And Broly, even super rage Broly whose whole deal twenty years ago was to facetank blows that would explode the Sun, is terrified of fighting, and especially of Gogeta. As brutal as he fights, he feels desperate in every moment. When he vomits out that laser attack and sprays it in every direction to cover an entire cone in front of him, it has a sense of real, deep-seated fear for his life. At that point that's what he's really fighting for: not to kill Gogeta, but to be able to survive. The tension, then, is not in who will be victorious. Gogeta will be. The question is if Broly is going to live through that victory.
And the movie plays with that expectation multiple times. There are three separate hits that I can think of off the top of my head that would have been the killing blow in any other fight: Gogeta punching Broly in the guts to mirror his death in Movie 8, the Janemba killer, and that explosion geyser where Gogeta basically just makes everything explode and nothing but explode. And Broly lives through it! Barely. But every time he gets more scared, more desperate, and he pushes back so Gogeta keeps coming at him harder
One thing that I think this movie did better than any segment of Dragon Ball since, uh, maybe the Freeza saga, is its handling of tension.
Tension, in Dragon Ball, is often meaningless—it's never a question of "will they do it," it's "how will they do it, and how narrow will the margin be." The scale becomes increasingly meaningless, too, because the effective threat level encompasses everything, so we make "everything" bigger but it's still everything. And death of any of the Z fighters, as we know, is meaningless! So tension ends up squandered, to greater or lesser degrees.
But this movie didn't do that! From the very instant, the moment that Goku and Vegeta decide to fuse, Broly's defeat is a foregone conclusion. The Z fighters are going to win.
But the Z Fighters aren't really the heroes of this movie. We're not really rooting for them, we're rooting for Broly. Broly's the underdog in every moment that he's actually fighting, even when he's completely overpowering Goku and Vegeta at their best, because we know that Gogeta is coming. Gogeta doesn't lose fights. They're an instant win any time they appear, full stop, no exceptions.
And Broly, even super rage Broly whose whole deal twenty years ago was to facetank blows that would explode the Sun, is terrified of fighting, and especially of Gogeta. As brutal as he fights, he feels desperate in every moment. When he vomits out that laser attack and sprays it in every direction to cover an entire cone in front of him, it has a sense of real, deep-seated fear for his life. Because at that point that's what he's really fighting for: not to kill Gogeta, but to be able to survive. The tension, then, is not in who will be victorious. Gogeta will be. The question is if Broly is going to live through that victory.
And the movie plays with that expectation multiple times. There are three separate hits that I can think of off the top of my head that would have been the killing blow in any other fight: Gogeta punching Broly in the guts to mirror his death in Movie 8, the Janemba killer, and that explosion geyser where Gogeta basically just makes everything explode and nothing but explode. And Broly lives through it! Barely. But every time he gets more scared, more desperate, and he pushes back so Gogeta keeps coming at him harder
Anyway
It's good
This movie is good
I agree whole-heartedly.
Brody is basically the protagonist of this movie, and it works.
I like how the guys at TFS put it during their review. There is never any doubt that eventually Goku will win and Earth will be safe. Because it’s Dragonball. Hell we see Whis evade Brody like it’s nothing, and if it came down to it him and Beerus could handle Broly. But that’s not what the stakes are, there stakes are is Broly gonna live through this? I think the movie does a great job of making Broly just understandable and sympathetic enough that while we want to see him cut loose, we don’t want to see him die.
It’s a tight balancing act that I think the movie pulls off very well.
How when Frieza is talking about his wish, he makes his minion write down the specific instructions on how to make the Dragon do what he wants (since it screwed him over on Namek), but then when Cheelai does the wish later on, she finds out for Shenron you just have to say your wish, and the paper was totally redundant.
Okay, extended thoughts now that I have a chance to think:
I cannot believe that they A) made Broly into an actual character and made Broly into an actual character who is sympathetic and compelling enough to keep around as a potential third Saiyan lead for the franchise.
It's incredible! Especially since we watched the original Broly movie first and they actually stayed fairly close to the core of Broly's origin from that film, but put in the work to flesh him out like an actual person you should care about around that skeleton.
Every character was used perfectly. Vegeta and Goku felt equally powerful and effective, Freeza was a scheming manipulative asshole who got his hilarious comeuppance, Paragus and Broly were a fantastic emotional crux and the new duo of Cheelai and Lemo are really neat characters to introduce into the setting and fun supporting players for Broly.
Even the minor characters (for the film) like Beerus and Piccolo are deployed with just enough time to get some fun character moments in without eating into screentime.
The animation was fucking incredible. I cannot say enough about how gorgeous this movie is. Even when it went to CG and models, they have gotten much, much better at it than they were in Resurrection F and the new style lends itself to CG models more easily.
It is easily the best Dragonball movie and really pushes the universe forward in a super exciting way
I appreciate that Super and the movies are made by people that are clearly fans and also know how make an actual movie.
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should have been answered with
"he's like a male version of that Kale from universe 6!"
Just to twist the knife over who was canon first :V
The manga's just straight skipping it but they may have split off entirely at this point
They need something to kill time while the manga gets ahead a bit. It's easy padding so I would guess so.
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The ToP ended in the manga after the show. The two are fairly independent of each other
Six episodes in a row of fighting sounds like a lot to me, but that may be because I have forgotten what watching DBZ was like
the original battle between Goku and Frieza is nearly 30 episodes long
Kai cuts it down to "only" 9 full episodes
The closest we get in Super is either vs Jiren at the end which was either about four episodes or thirty depending on how you frame it, or vs Zamasu which was like...teen episodes but they took breaks while fighting.
The seasonal nature of shit thankfully means no more six hour boughts.
Oh, and watching the TFS review of Broly (which is very good) I learned that they literally rotoscoped Hulk vs Loki for the Goku/Kale fight.
Maybe 6 episodes wouldn't be so bad! Especially with how segmented the fights in this movie are
Here’s the rub.
In America, yes it was every weekday. Because we got the whole series after it was done.
But it originally aired as once a week. The fight with Frieza probably took like, a whole year to play out in Japan.
Edit: and the whole shit with Jiren did take over a year from his introduction as the next big bad to them finally finishing the tournament
SUUUUUUUUPAAAAA BROOOOOLY
GOOOOOOOO GEEEEETAAAAAAAA
GO BROLY GO BROLY GO BROLY COME ON BROLY GO BROLY
Those sure aren't a thing in the movie at any point
I remember the Goku vs Beerus fight in the show taking five episodes, which was waaaaaaay too long for that fight.
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Vegeta’s power-up id royal blue right so Im not even sure if he was using that or not.
He wasn't.
So there's that!
That ended up being a red herring for me.
Ever since Goku first went UI with grey and black eyes, I thought Jiren’s eyes meant he was in ultra Instinct mode the entire time and Goku going UI just put them on even ground.
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i mostly skipped super cos it wasn't my cup of tea but this was just, a complete joy to watch
the animation
the music
the sound design in general, the effects, the pacing, it was all so good
also we caught the dub and the only downside about it was that we couldn't hear a couple lines when the audience erupted when
i will say that there should definitely be a seizure warning before this movie
But this movie didn't do that! From the very instant, the moment that Goku and Vegeta decide to fuse, Broly's defeat is a foregone conclusion. The Z fighters are going to win.
But the Z Fighters aren't really the heroes of this movie. We're not really rooting for them, we're rooting for Broly. Broly's the underdog in every moment that he's actually fighting, even when he's completely overpowering Goku and Vegeta at their best, because we know that Gogeta is coming. Gogeta doesn't lose fights. They're an instant win any time they appear, full stop, no exceptions.
And Broly, even super rage Broly whose whole deal twenty years ago was to facetank blows that would explode the Sun, is terrified of fighting, and especially of Gogeta. As brutal as he fights, he feels desperate in every moment. When he vomits out that laser attack and sprays it in every direction to cover an entire cone in front of him, it has a sense of real, deep-seated fear for his life. At that point that's what he's really fighting for: not to kill Gogeta, but to be able to survive. The tension, then, is not in who will be victorious. Gogeta will be. The question is if Broly is going to live through that victory.
And the movie plays with that expectation multiple times. There are three separate hits that I can think of off the top of my head that would have been the killing blow in any other fight: Gogeta punching Broly in the guts to mirror his death in Movie 8, the Janemba killer, and that explosion geyser where Gogeta basically just makes everything explode and nothing but explode. And Broly lives through it! Barely. But every time he gets more scared, more desperate, and he pushes back so Gogeta keeps coming at him harder
Anyway
It's good
This movie is good
I agree whole-heartedly.
I like how the guys at TFS put it during their review. There is never any doubt that eventually Goku will win and Earth will be safe. Because it’s Dragonball. Hell we see Whis evade Brody like it’s nothing, and if it came down to it him and Beerus could handle Broly. But that’s not what the stakes are, there stakes are is Broly gonna live through this? I think the movie does a great job of making Broly just understandable and sympathetic enough that while we want to see him cut loose, we don’t want to see him die.
It’s a tight balancing act that I think the movie pulls off very well.
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I didn’t start watching Super till the Tournament of Power, so catching up should be fun. I’ve been binging all day, and just met Champa.
That's the thing I keep waiting for
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That was incredible
It's incredible! Especially since we watched the original Broly movie first and they actually stayed fairly close to the core of Broly's origin from that film, but put in the work to flesh him out like an actual person you should care about around that skeleton.
Every character was used perfectly. Vegeta and Goku felt equally powerful and effective, Freeza was a scheming manipulative asshole who got his hilarious comeuppance, Paragus and Broly were a fantastic emotional crux and the new duo of Cheelai and Lemo are really neat characters to introduce into the setting and fun supporting players for Broly.
Even the minor characters (for the film) like Beerus and Piccolo are deployed with just enough time to get some fun character moments in without eating into screentime.
The animation was fucking incredible. I cannot say enough about how gorgeous this movie is. Even when it went to CG and models, they have gotten much, much better at it than they were in Resurrection F and the new style lends itself to CG models more easily.
It is easily the best Dragonball movie and really pushes the universe forward in a super exciting way
i mentioned it before but the music was sooo good
i love the music of the old dbz movies and this was right up there with them
I think she likes Dragon Ball now
This movie actually had Toriyama do the screenplay, which is about as involved as he has ever been in a movie.