That image, those two pictures next to each other right there, is going to be in history books, mark my words. Whoever composed that should be credited.
The man who was killed attempting to storm the ICE detention center has been identified as a 69 year old Washington native named Willem Van Spronsen, and from early rumblings he was a known figure in the local anarchist activist community.
Edit: specifically I should mention that he'd already made headlines recently by attempting to de-arrest someone at a protest, where he was found to be also carrying a collapsible baton and a pocket knife.
Meanwhile, half a million weebs plan to storm area 51
The man who was killed attempting to storm the ICE detention center has been identified as a 69 year old Washington native named Willem Van Spronsen, and from early rumblings he was a known figure in the local anarchist activist community.
Edit: specifically I should mention that he'd already made headlines recently by attempting to de-arrest someone at a protest, where he was found to be also carrying a collapsible baton and a pocket knife.
Meanwhile, half a million weebs plan to storm area 51
Well to be fair only three or so will probably bother to show up.
Federal immigration authorities attempted raids in at least two neighborhoods in New York City on Saturday, according to a person familiar with the matter, a day prior to when President Trump had said Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents would begin national roundups of people illegally in the U.S.
In New York City, ICE agents went to residences in the Harlem section of Manhattan and Brooklyn’s Sunset Park neighborhood, the person said. The agents were rejected by people at the residences because they didn’t have warrants, but plan to return at least to Sunset Park tomorrow, according to the person.
The best thing about these fuckers getting shut down for lacking a warrant, is that word of that will spread and others will start demanding these fuckers show a warrant when they show up. Given these shitheads tend to be lazy, incompetent and racist they probably won't be successful at getting warrants. Either they won't do the paperwork, fuck up the paperwork if they do it or their racism will show in a way that the judge may deny the warrant, given ICE's track record on illegally detaining citizens that aren't white.
President Donald Trump on Sunday called out progressive Democratic congresswomen in xenophobic terms, saying: “Why don’t they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came.”
Trump‘s tweets were seemingly intended to exploit tensions with the House Democratic Caucus, though they drew a sharp rebuke from House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, who has been at odds with some of the most liberal members of her caucus.
While the president didn’t mention them by name in his tweets, it appears he was attacking Rep. Ilhan Omar (D-Minn.), a native of Somalia, and possibly Rep. Rashida Tlaib (D-Mich.), whose family is Palestinian. Both have been outspoken when it comes to Trump’s administration and the conditions of migrant detention centers on the border.
“So interesting to see 'Progressive' Democrat Congresswomen, who originally came from countries whose governments are a complete and total catastrophe, the worst, most corrupt and inept anywhere in the world (if they even have a functioning government at all), now loudly and viciously telling the people of the United States, the greatest and most powerful Nation on earth, how our government is to be run,” the president wrote on Twitter.
Tlaib was born in the United States and Omar, whose family fled war-torn Somalia when she was a child, is an American citizen.
“Why don’t they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came,” he added. “Then come back and show us how it is done. These places need your help badly, you can’t leave fast enough. I’m sure that Nancy Pelosi would be very happy to quickly work out free travel arrangements!”
He's just plain racist and thinks telling elected officials to "go back to where they came from" is totally fine. Every human rights violation is intentional, how can Pelosi not do some messaging here? It seems like such an easy thing to bury him in. Prod him until people have to distance themselves or marry him.
It is good to finally (afaik) see leadership calling this shit out for exactly what it is and how it exists within the larger context of Trump's agenda. We need more shit like this in general.
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He could've just let them fight amongst themselves but he just haaaad to step in and put the little women in their place, eh?
It is good to finally (afaik) see leadership calling this shit out for exactly what it is and how it exists within the larger context of Trump's agenda. We need more shit like this in general.
Leadership has been going after these women! Fuck them all!
It is good to finally (afaik) see leadership calling this shit out for exactly what it is and how it exists within the larger context of Trump's agenda. We need more shit like this in general.
Leadership has been going after these women! Fuck them all!
No?
There's a huge difference between political disagreements and Trump's racist tirades.
It is good to finally (afaik) see leadership calling this shit out for exactly what it is and how it exists within the larger context of Trump's agenda. We need more shit like this in general.
Leadership has been going after these women! Fuck them all!
No?
There's a huge difference between political disagreements and Trump's racist tirades.
Singling out specific members of Congress as disloyal troublemakers has obvious consequences.
The "Squad" is the best thing to happen to this country in 20 years
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It is good to finally (afaik) see leadership calling this shit out for exactly what it is and how it exists within the larger context of Trump's agenda. We need more shit like this in general.
Leadership has been going after these women! Fuck them all!
No?
There's a huge difference between political disagreements and Trump's racist tirades.
It's not just a political disagreement. Pelosi has referred to "the Squad" as outsiders, and put them down or dismissed them at every turn. There's an agenda against them on Pelosi's part.
She may not be racist like Trump is, but she needs to keep their names out of her fucking mouth because she's aligned against them anyway.
Edit - Anyone wanna make a Nancy Pelosi thread? I'm not in the right frame of mind to do it in any sort of fair manner.
It is good to finally (afaik) see leadership calling this shit out for exactly what it is and how it exists within the larger context of Trump's agenda. We need more shit like this in general.
Leadership has been going after these women! Fuck them all!
No?
There's a huge difference between political disagreements and Trump's racist tirades.
It's not just a political disagreement. Pelosi has referred to "the Squad" as outsiders, and put them down or dismissed them at every turn. There's an agenda against them on Pelosi's part.
She may not be racist like Trump is, but she needs to keep their names out of her fucking mouth because she's aligned against them anyway.
No, what you describe there is literally a political disagreement. Infighting between members of the party. It happens. This is categorically different then literal racist attacks on them.
This stuff is the height of silliness. "she needs to keep their names out of her fucking mouth"? What are they, fucking Yahweh?
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Infighting is one thing shryke. Pelosi has referred to these young women of color as an abnormality that has no place in the Democratic Party. She's not making that comment based on race, but she IS dismissing minorities having a voice and place in government.
Rather than fight the Trump/Pence administration on things like children being held in concentration camps, Pelosi would rather fight younger people joining her party who are going to become the majority of her party over the course of time anyway. Because guess what? She's old, and they're not, and time is linear. Lewis Black said it best; the best thing his generation can do right now is stop getting in the fucking way.
Infighting is one thing shryke. Pelosi has referred to these young women of color as an abnormality that has no place in the Democratic Party. She's not making that comment based on race, but she IS dismissing minorities having a voice and place in government.
Rather than fight the Trump/Pence administration on things like children being held in concentration camps, Pelosi would rather fight younger people joining her party who are going to become the majority of her party over the course of time anyway. Because guess what? She's old, and they're not, and time is linear. Lewis Black said it best; the best thing his generation can do right now is stop getting in the fucking way.
No dude, she's literally disagreeing with their politics and saying they lack support within the Democratic party. This is like a textbook example of political infighting. She's not dismissing minorities having a place in government as seen by all the other minorities in the Democratic House Caucus that aren't getting mentioned.
When you turn "Pelosi, as a Leader of the Democratic Party, defends members of that party from racist attacks and explicitly calls out Trump's white supremacist agenda" into an attack on Pelosi, you might wanna step back a bit and get some perspective. She said a good thing that needs to be said more often. Maybe that can just be a good thing that happened.
That leadership has more to say about these women than Rep Gottheimer tells you all you need to know about how much theyll actually stand with young poc.
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it's more than a political disagreement, in that it's not about some specific policy. it's about sniping and pelosi being rude and probably being nervous (even tho these 4 were on her side when people tried to take pelosi's spot...)
like, you can want to write it off but that's not all this is. unless you prefer to call all disagreements around politics 'political disagreements', even when one side is plainly wrong or targeting the other and there's no specific policy driving the issue (I'd say the issue came from some not voting for ice's money and some wanting pelosi to impeach, but it's way more just about rudeness and being dismissive of people that earned their voice)
edit - it's possible this will help reuinite them. but we don't have people like jon favrau yelling 'get off twitter' because of just a political disagreement. I disagree with his view on it honestly but not because he is aware there's ana ctual spat.
Infighting is one thing shryke. Pelosi has referred to these young women of color as an abnormality that has no place in the Democratic Party. She's not making that comment based on race, but she IS dismissing minorities having a voice and place in government.
Rather than fight the Trump/Pence administration on things like children being held in concentration camps, Pelosi would rather fight younger people joining her party who are going to become the majority of her party over the course of time anyway. Because guess what? She's old, and they're not, and time is linear. Lewis Black said it best; the best thing his generation can do right now is stop getting in the fucking way.
No dude, she's literally disagreeing with their politics and saying they lack support within the Democratic party. This is like a textbook example of political infighting. She's not dismissing minorities having a place in government as seen by all the other minorities in the Democratic House Caucus that aren't getting mentioned.
When you turn "Pelosi, as a Leader of the Democratic Party, defends members of that party from racist attacks and explicitly calls out Trump's white supremacist agenda" into an attack on Pelosi, you might wanna step back a bit and get some perspective. She said a good thing that needs to be said more often. Maybe that can just be a good thing that happened.
She absolutely is. A lot of the members who aren't getting mentioned have been there forever. They are people that Pelosi is used to (and I'm starting to think, how much does she choose to tolerate them?).
The best thing you can do to fight bigotry is elevate the people who are targets of it, let them be heard, support them when they speak, support them when they propose legislation, and vote with that legislation. In a previous iteration of this thread, I threw a huge fit (to everyone's chagrin) because Pelosi told Mexican protestors that if they didn't like what she was doing, they should run for office. And then in 2018 a few fresh faces won seats in the Congress (no, not all of them Mexican, but they are all minorities). That must've burned Pelosi's ass real bad because she hasn't really said anything nice of those new people in Congress.
Pelosi has criticized some of “the squad”, for reasons people agree with or not.
Trump attacked them using overtly racist language.
Pelosi is now coming to their defense. It’s possible to recognize that this is a good thing on her part, while not forgetting that she’s been a little shitty towards them before.
It seems there is literally no action Pelosi can take that people here will not take as an opportunity to constantly shit on her.
You don’t like her, I get it. I don’t like a lot of her recent actions either, but we don’t have to have the knives out for her constantly.
The constant back and forth about just how terrible she is or isn’t is exhausting and it pulls the focus of whatever thread away from the actual topic.
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She's first in line to be president right behind the VP, and is a leader, if not the leader, of the Democratic Party.
Her regard for others fighting the immigration policy of the racist brigade absolutely deserves to be weighted, particularly because she's so aligned against the people trying to do the fighting. She's doesn't care at best and a collaborate at worst.
When Pelosi does something of material value she'll get support for it.
She handled the government shutdown over the border wall pretty damn well, for example. Remember how even I was like "man that Pelosi has come around"?
When Pelosi does something of material value she'll get support for it.
I’m sure she will somehow fail to live up to this completely arbitrary standard
I was not aware that we were supposed to have a different standard than "do something of material value" for the people we put in power.
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I'm reminded right now of Robert Paxton's third stage of fascism,
Arrival to power, where conservatives seeking to control rising leftist opposition invite fascists to share power
Now let's be real, in America, centrism is way more conservative than it is balanced by any stretch. And the centrist leadership of the Democratic Party has outright denied going over to the left or becoming "socialist." Pelosi is aiding the administration on this step, whether she knows it or not.
It is good to finally (afaik) see leadership calling this shit out for exactly what it is and how it exists within the larger context of Trump's agenda. We need more shit like this in general.
Leadership has been going after these women! Fuck them all!
No?
There's a huge difference between political disagreements and Trump's racist tirades.
She accused them of basing their voting decisions on how it would impact their social media presence.
I don't think it stops at 'political disagreements'
In any event, it's good for Democratic leadership to push back against racism with words; hopefully they'll follow up with actions going forward.
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An intraparty fight about tactics on votes (especially votes that will change nothing. Concentration camps aren't going away), and a racist attack and suggestion that elected representatives don't deserve to represent are not the same thing.
An intraparty fight about tactics on votes (especially votes that will change nothing. Concentration camps aren't going away), and a racist attack and suggestion that elected representatives don't deserve to represent are not the same thing.
No one said they were. We're criticizing them for being fair-weather friends.
Why in the shit does Pelosi matter here? The President of the United State's racist grandpa tweet is still right there, staring us all in the face. He's not even trying to hide the "quiet" parts anymore. That's what deserves anger and outrage.
Hi, yes, the next person to discuss Pelosi in a matter not directly related to the topic is getting kicked.
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I'll try to dig it up, but this morning I saw a report that ICE was already starting on its raids this weekend. It was specifically noting that people took the advice that's been shared about demanding to see a warrant and refusing ICE agents entry. It's working so far.
I'll try to dig it up, but this morning I saw a report that ICE was already starting on its raids this weekend. It was specifically noting that people took the advice that's been shared about demanding to see a warrant and refusing ICE agents entry. It's working so far.
Federal immigration authorities attempted raids in at least two neighborhoods in New York City on Saturday, according to a person familiar with the matter, a day prior to when President Trump had said Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents would begin national roundups of people illegally in the U.S.
In New York City, ICE agents went to residences in the Harlem section of Manhattan and Brooklyn’s Sunset Park neighborhood, the person said. The agents were rejected by people at the residences because they didn’t have warrants, but plan to return at least to Sunset Park tomorrow, according to the person.
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Ah shit I was all proud of myself because I finally tracked down the tweets that brought my attention to that same article. <_<
How fast can warrants be issued? 24 hours seems pretty fast.
I'd suggest the people flee if they have somewhere to go, but ICE is probably watching and waiting for them to exit their homes. They do so at court rooms so I mean, this isn't that much of a stretch.
Why in the shit does Pelosi matter here? The President of the United State's racist grandpa tweet is still right there, staring us all in the face. He's not even trying to hide the "quiet" parts anymore. That's what deserves anger and outrage.
I'm reminded right now of Robert Paxton's third stage of fascism,
Arrival to power, where conservatives seeking to control rising leftist opposition invite fascists to share power
Now let's be real, in America, centrism is way more conservative than it is balanced by any stretch. And the centrist leadership of the Democratic Party has outright denied going over to the left or becoming "socialist." Pelosi is aiding the administration on this step, whether she knows it or not.
The other part is that there is a line that goes from Pelosi's slamming of "the squad" earlier this week to Maureen Dowd (thanks sax), which opened the door on that conversation in the discourse, which eventually leads to Trump's racist ramblings today.
Essentially, the argument is Pelosi opened a racist pandora's box to vent her frustration/put "The Squad," based on her frustration how they handled and have described the camp funding bills, in line via public pressure in the press, which created the current discourse in this media cycle, which Trump has used twice (remember his earlier "she isn't a racist!" thing?) now to slam four outspoken members of Congress who have been raking him over the coals.
While it is good to see Pelosi finally call him out as a white supremacist, the problem is still the current discourse bullshit was a ball she got rolling by deciding to use Dowd as a means to shift the image of "The Squad," who were justifiably pissed over how we were handling concentration camps
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Dowd, not Haberman.
Also, if 4 junior members of the House with no caucus behind them can wrest control, agenda, and leadership from the Speaker, what does that say about the party(and the leadership)? Intraparty fights happen.
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Meanwhile, half a million weebs plan to storm area 51
Well to be fair only three or so will probably bother to show up.
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Nice chart to figure out how honest a news source is.
He's just plain racist and thinks telling elected officials to "go back to where they came from" is totally fine. Every human rights violation is intentional, how can Pelosi not do some messaging here? It seems like such an easy thing to bury him in. Prod him until people have to distance themselves or marry him.
It is good to finally (afaik) see leadership calling this shit out for exactly what it is and how it exists within the larger context of Trump's agenda. We need more shit like this in general.
Leadership has been going after these women! Fuck them all!
No?
There's a huge difference between political disagreements and Trump's racist tirades.
Singling out specific members of Congress as disloyal troublemakers has obvious consequences.
The "Squad" is the best thing to happen to this country in 20 years
She may not be racist like Trump is, but she needs to keep their names out of her fucking mouth because she's aligned against them anyway.
Edit - Anyone wanna make a Nancy Pelosi thread? I'm not in the right frame of mind to do it in any sort of fair manner.
No, what you describe there is literally a political disagreement. Infighting between members of the party. It happens. This is categorically different then literal racist attacks on them.
This stuff is the height of silliness. "she needs to keep their names out of her fucking mouth"? What are they, fucking Yahweh?
Rather than fight the Trump/Pence administration on things like children being held in concentration camps, Pelosi would rather fight younger people joining her party who are going to become the majority of her party over the course of time anyway. Because guess what? She's old, and they're not, and time is linear. Lewis Black said it best; the best thing his generation can do right now is stop getting in the fucking way.
No dude, she's literally disagreeing with their politics and saying they lack support within the Democratic party. This is like a textbook example of political infighting. She's not dismissing minorities having a place in government as seen by all the other minorities in the Democratic House Caucus that aren't getting mentioned.
When you turn "Pelosi, as a Leader of the Democratic Party, defends members of that party from racist attacks and explicitly calls out Trump's white supremacist agenda" into an attack on Pelosi, you might wanna step back a bit and get some perspective. She said a good thing that needs to be said more often. Maybe that can just be a good thing that happened.
like, you can want to write it off but that's not all this is. unless you prefer to call all disagreements around politics 'political disagreements', even when one side is plainly wrong or targeting the other and there's no specific policy driving the issue (I'd say the issue came from some not voting for ice's money and some wanting pelosi to impeach, but it's way more just about rudeness and being dismissive of people that earned their voice)
edit - it's possible this will help reuinite them. but we don't have people like jon favrau yelling 'get off twitter' because of just a political disagreement. I disagree with his view on it honestly but not because he is aware there's ana ctual spat.
The best thing you can do to fight bigotry is elevate the people who are targets of it, let them be heard, support them when they speak, support them when they propose legislation, and vote with that legislation. In a previous iteration of this thread, I threw a huge fit (to everyone's chagrin) because Pelosi told Mexican protestors that if they didn't like what she was doing, they should run for office. And then in 2018 a few fresh faces won seats in the Congress (no, not all of them Mexican, but they are all minorities). That must've burned Pelosi's ass real bad because she hasn't really said anything nice of those new people in Congress.
We're really over the white savior thing.
Trump attacked them using overtly racist language.
Pelosi is now coming to their defense. It’s possible to recognize that this is a good thing on her part, while not forgetting that she’s been a little shitty towards them before.
It seems there is literally no action Pelosi can take that people here will not take as an opportunity to constantly shit on her.
You don’t like her, I get it. I don’t like a lot of her recent actions either, but we don’t have to have the knives out for her constantly.
The constant back and forth about just how terrible she is or isn’t is exhausting and it pulls the focus of whatever thread away from the actual topic.
Her regard for others fighting the immigration policy of the racist brigade absolutely deserves to be weighted, particularly because she's so aligned against the people trying to do the fighting. She's doesn't care at best and a collaborate at worst.
I’m sure she will somehow fail to live up to this completely arbitrary standard
I was not aware that we were supposed to have a different standard than "do something of material value" for the people we put in power.
She accused them of basing their voting decisions on how it would impact their social media presence.
I don't think it stops at 'political disagreements'
No one said they were. We're criticizing them for being fair-weather friends.
Apparently he canceled the raids today?
From: farther up this page
How fast can warrants be issued? 24 hours seems pretty fast.
I'd suggest the people flee if they have somewhere to go, but ICE is probably watching and waiting for them to exit their homes. They do so at court rooms so I mean, this isn't that much of a stretch.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/14/politics/ice-raids-undocumented-immigrants/index.html
We're gonna have to rely on eye-witness accounts and photos / videos.
Part of it is this:
The other part is that there is a line that goes from Pelosi's slamming of "the squad" earlier this week to Maureen Dowd (thanks sax), which opened the door on that conversation in the discourse, which eventually leads to Trump's racist ramblings today.
Essentially, the argument is Pelosi opened a racist pandora's box to vent her frustration/put "The Squad," based on her frustration how they handled and have described the camp funding bills, in line via public pressure in the press, which created the current discourse in this media cycle, which Trump has used twice (remember his earlier "she isn't a racist!" thing?) now to slam four outspoken members of Congress who have been raking him over the coals.
While it is good to see Pelosi finally call him out as a white supremacist, the problem is still the current discourse bullshit was a ball she got rolling by deciding to use Dowd as a means to shift the image of "The Squad," who were justifiably pissed over how we were handling concentration camps
Also, if 4 junior members of the House with no caucus behind them can wrest control, agenda, and leadership from the Speaker, what does that say about the party(and the leadership)? Intraparty fights happen.