Warren manages to come off as for major changes rather than going to some idealic pre-2016 status quo without making it into some moot argument over socialism and capitalism.
I think her having a plan for everything is a big part of that. One of the stereotypes for socialism is promising all these great government benefits without having given any thought on how to pay for it (or it relies heavily on MMT or something else outside the norm,) but Warren has obviously given a lot of thought on how to do so.
Even if they weren’t old, I’d hate the idea of Warren or Sanders as VP to anyone. The VP is a job for someone to take a bunch of shit on behalf of the president, taking a standout senator and putting them in that role is a total waste.
I’d say we should make sure whoever gets the job is someone we’d be happy seeing as a frontrunner in 8 years (as Biden is right now, and Gore was in 2000), but they should be a good representative, not a senator.
I would normally say the pick could be an elder statesman who’s not gonna run again, but I thought that was Biden in 2008.
At this point I think Warren would be fine, though I have some doubts about her performance in the general. Either way I think she's largely a stalling action of the kinds of deep structural changes we need as as far right as I want to go.
Even if they weren’t old, I’d hate the idea of Warren or Sanders as VP to anyone. The VP is a job for someone to take a bunch of shit on behalf of the president, taking a standout senator and putting them in that role is a total waste.
I’d say we should make sure whoever gets the job is someone we’d be happy seeing as a frontrunner in 8 years (as Biden is right now, and Gore was in 2000), but they should be a good representative, not a senator.
I would normally say the pick could be an elder statesman who’s not gonna run again, but I thought that was Biden in 2008.
Qualified, but either someone you can trivially replace in Congress or someone whose ceiling is otherwise beating you for the nomination or a cabinet post because they're likely locked out of the Senate or governor's office.
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I tried to Google to refresh my memory of what Democrats were saying on background as Biden was picked as VP. And the top search suggestion was “would biden pick obama as vp?” Fuck me.
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In recent weeks, I reached out to more than a dozen fund managers, traders, and investors to pose to them a relatively simple question: If in 2020 it comes down to Warren versus Trump, whom do you choose? Many of them preferred not to comment, but about half of the group weighed in — albeit some on the condition of anonymity.
The general response: Many don’t love Trump, but they would largely pick him over Warren — or would write in someone else. It’s a sign of how deeply despised Warren is among the banking industry, even Democrats.
Well yeah Wall Street, sure. That's not all of the super rich people though, or even the majority for all I know. The fact that she is making these people nervous is great, but it doesn't mean other rich folk are also nervous.
I tried to Google to refresh my memory of what Democrats were saying on background as Biden was picked as VP. And the top search suggestion was “would biden pick obama as vp?” Fuck me.
He absolutely would if he thought he could.
He would get his body surgically grafted to Obama’s if he thought it would win him the primary.
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In recent weeks, I reached out to more than a dozen fund managers, traders, and investors to pose to them a relatively simple question: If in 2020 it comes down to Warren versus Trump, whom do you choose? Many of them preferred not to comment, but about half of the group weighed in — albeit some on the condition of anonymity.
The general response: Many don’t love Trump, but they would largely pick him over Warren — or would write in someone else. It’s a sign of how deeply despised Warren is among the banking industry, even Democrats.
Well yeah Wall Street, sure. That's not all of the super rich people though, or even the majority for all I know. The fact that she is making these people nervous is great, but it doesn't mean other rich folk are also nervous.
I tried to Google to refresh my memory of what Democrats were saying on background as Biden was picked as VP. And the top search suggestion was “would biden pick obama as vp?” Fuck me.
He absolutely would if he thought he could.
He would get his body surgically grafted to Obama’s if he thought it would win him the primary.
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Marianne Williamson drags her spoon around the edge of her cup of tea, talking about crystals or some shit
Cory feels himself slip under, into the deep and the dark
He awakens strapped to a surgical table, Joe Biden is in a hospital gown on a bed besides his...
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I think a Warren/Sanders ticket would work well, if we conceive of Sanders as Warren's anger translator.
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In recent weeks, I reached out to more than a dozen fund managers, traders, and investors to pose to them a relatively simple question: If in 2020 it comes down to Warren versus Trump, whom do you choose? Many of them preferred not to comment, but about half of the group weighed in — albeit some on the condition of anonymity.
The general response: Many don’t love Trump, but they would largely pick him over Warren — or would write in someone else. It’s a sign of how deeply despised Warren is among the banking industry, even Democrats.
Well yeah Wall Street, sure. That's not all of the super rich people though, or even the majority for all I know. The fact that she is making these people nervous is great, but it doesn't mean other rich folk are also nervous.
In recent weeks, I reached out to more than a dozen fund managers, traders, and investors to pose to them a relatively simple question: If in 2020 it comes down to Warren versus Trump, whom do you choose? Many of them preferred not to comment, but about half of the group weighed in — albeit some on the condition of anonymity.
The general response: Many don’t love Trump, but they would largely pick him over Warren — or would write in someone else. It’s a sign of how deeply despised Warren is among the banking industry, even Democrats.
Well yeah Wall Street, sure. That's not all of the super rich people though, or even the majority for all I know. The fact that she is making these people nervous is great, but it doesn't mean other rich folk are also nervous.
(Elizabeth Warren is a U.S. Senator currently running for President)
I suspect this is because he thinks she's more likely to win than because her policies are worse for him
whatever though, Peter Thiel's thoughts on this issue aren't important
I mean they clearly are a bit important, that's the whole pitch of the Sanders anti-endorsement page.
I think they legitimately are banking on the sort of generally accepted ridiculousness in America that rich people are somehow economic geniuses, so that saying "The candidate who would fund social programs and prevent the earth from lighting on fire will definitely cause a recession!" has a good chance of working if you back it up with the "proof" that you've got ridiculous amounts of money. I'm happy to see Warren and Sanders setting it up as "they're worried about their money, not about the economy, fuck 'em", because I think maybe that works for folks? I hope it works.
Edit: And no doing a double senator ticket would be extremely dumb, and unnecessary.
Even if they weren’t old, I’d hate the idea of Warren or Sanders as VP to anyone. The VP is a job for someone to take a bunch of shit on behalf of the president, taking a standout senator and putting them in that role is a total waste.
I’d say we should make sure whoever gets the job is someone we’d be happy seeing as a frontrunner in 8 years (as Biden is right now, and Gore was in 2000), but they should be a good representative, not a senator.
I would normally say the pick could be an elder statesman who’s not gonna run again, but I thought that was Biden in 2008.
Given his response to certain questions in recent weeks, I'd love to see a Warren/Beto ticket, with Beto being given a long leash, and having him calling out bullshit when it matters. Or as WACriminal suggested, Warren's anger translator.
Though I could see Harris in that role too, but she's more likely to want to fight by Queensbury rules.
Even if they weren’t old, I’d hate the idea of Warren or Sanders as VP to anyone. The VP is a job for someone to take a bunch of shit on behalf of the president, taking a standout senator and putting them in that role is a total waste.
I’d say we should make sure whoever gets the job is someone we’d be happy seeing as a frontrunner in 8 years (as Biden is right now, and Gore was in 2000), but they should be a good representative, not a senator.
I would normally say the pick could be an elder statesman who’s not gonna run again, but I thought that was Biden in 2008.
Given his response to certain questions in recent weeks, I'd love to see a Warren/Beto ticket, with Beto being given a long leash, and having him calling out bullshit when it matters. Or as WACriminal suggested, Warren's anger translator.
Though I could see Harris in that role too, but she's more likely to want to fight by Queensbury rules.
Warren/Beto would be an interesting mix. If she wins, though, I'll bet she picks Abrams.
I mean, it's not WORSE than the current situation.
Apparently the writers were having trouble writing absudly enough, that wasn't overshadowed by reality. Kinda like how The Onion's satire is basically pointless now.
Yes Warren is clearly a capitalist plant that's why all the super rich people are goddamn terrified of her winning.
That's not exactly what Ive been seeing
Yeah what I"m getting is they're terrified of Sanders, and would reluctantly back Warren as the lesser of two "evils".
They're able to negotiate with Warren, Sanders not so much.
Why is this self evident? I feel like unless I missed something both candidates have broadly defined the same priorities about taxing the wealthy to fund social programs and climate mitigation and regulating businesses to reduce inequality and other negative consequences of runaway capitalism.
Neither of them have proposed the annihilation of capital, unfortunately.
I know it is probably tiring for people to keep saying eh six of one half a dozen of the other when you're super into either of these candidates, but I feel like there's an underlying assumption about how Sanders is literally going to guillotine the wealthy that isn't borne out by past actions or present proposals.
In recent weeks, I reached out to more than a dozen fund managers, traders, and investors to pose to them a relatively simple question: If in 2020 it comes down to Warren versus Trump, whom do you choose? Many of them preferred not to comment, but about half of the group weighed in — albeit some on the condition of anonymity.
The general response: Many don’t love Trump, but they would largely pick him over Warren — or would write in someone else. It’s a sign of how deeply despised Warren is among the banking industry, even Democrats.
Well yeah Wall Street, sure. That's not all of the super rich people though, or even the majority for all I know. The fact that she is making these people nervous is great, but it doesn't mean other rich folk are also nervous.
(Elizabeth Warren is a U.S. Senator currently running for President)
I suspect this is because he thinks she's more likely to win than because her policies are worse for him
whatever though, Peter Thiel's thoughts on this issue aren't important
I'm sure it may be some of that, but it could also be the fact that Warren has called for big tech companies like google, facebook and amazon to be broken up.
I tried to Google to refresh my memory of what Democrats were saying on background as Biden was picked as VP. And the top search suggestion was “would biden pick obama as vp?” Fuck me.
He absolutely would if he thought he could.
He would get his body surgically grafted to Obama’s if he thought it would win him the primary.
Green Room before the next debate.
Cory Booker sits alone because he's next to the veggie platter.
Marianne Williamson drags her spoon around the edge of her cup of tea, talking about crystals or some shit
Cory feels himself slip under, into the deep and the dark
He awakens strapped to a surgical table, Joe Biden is in a hospital gown on a bed besides his...
....is that the pitch for the new Face/Off movie announcement?
Why is this self evident? I feel like unless I missed something both candidates have broadly defined the same priorities about taxing the wealthy to fund social programs and climate mitigation and regulating businesses to reduce inequality and other negative consequences of runaway capitalism.
It's not simply about priorities, it's how they go about working with the party itself. Warren has shown she's able to hold her nose and work with the party leaders and the coalition on an agenda, in contrast to Bernie who's grown further away from leadership the last few years. Remember how large portions of the party ran from Obama in his first term? That'd be where Sanders begins as president due to his volatile temperament.
Neither of them have proposed the annihilation of capital, unfortunately.
And yet many of Bernie's followers are riding with him because they think he will do this.
I know it is probably tiring for people to keep saying eh six of one half a dozen of the other when you're super into either of these candidates, but I feel like there's an underlying assumption about how Sanders is literally going to guillotine the wealthy that isn't borne out by past actions or present proposals.
Sanders built his political machine from '16 on this being his wheelhouse. His past actions and proposals tilt in that direction, that's why he's obsessed with making bills which will go nowhere and will alienate his natural allies.
Two old socialists, they have a plan... for yelling at us.
As a person who's primarily supporting him, genuinely curious, Spool:
If Sanders or Warren ended up on top of the ticket and chose Beto as their VP candidate, would that make you feel better about voting for the ticket? Do you think that having a geographically distinct partner ala Beto for Texas would help overall chances? I know you're not exactly a fence sitter at this point, but I also know you're far less enamored with either Warren or Sanders than most folks around here.
Two old socialists, they have a plan... for yelling at us.
As a person who's primarily supporting him, genuinely curious, Spool:
If Sanders or Warren ended up on top of the ticket and chose Beto as their VP candidate, would that make you feel better about voting for the ticket? Do you think that having a geographically distinct partner ala Beto for Texas would help overall chances? I know you're not exactly a fence sitter at this point, but I also know you're far less enamored with either Warren or Sanders than most folks around here.
It actually would blunt some concerns, and it definitely would help overall chances to pick a Texan for the VP spot. Texas is soft! Winning there means you win the whole thing!
Making Trump defend TX would be a great tactical move, plus picking a young guy who can carry things forward means you maybe have 12 years to get stuff done, and that's actually a lot of room to work.
Beto thinks he can push Democrats over the top in Texas.
Narrator: He couldn't.
Smash cut to Beto walking around an empty hall on election night, music from Peanuts playing
This is awfully dismissive of a candidate that came closer to taking a Texas Senate seat than anybody in recent memory and allowed a bunch of downballot victories we had no business winning.
Beto isn’t going to win this but he did some good stuff in Texas and was actually pretty progressive for the state in the process.
Beto thinks he can push Democrats over the top in Texas.
Narrator: He couldn't.
Smash cut to Beto walking around an empty hall on election night, music from Peanuts playing
This is awfully dismissive of a candidate that came closer to taking a Texas Senate seat than anybody in recent memory and allowed a bunch of downballot victories we had no business winning.
Beto isn’t going to win this but he did some good stuff in Texas and was actually pretty progressive for the state in the process.
Listen I love Purple Texas as much as anyone but you might as well be talking about picking Me. Tumnus to help us carry Narnia.
This is not the election to fuck around, this is the election to collect skulls in the Midwest and look really hard at Arizona and size it up.
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Its extremely tedious to read over and over how Sanders cant work or compromise with his own party when he has a several decade career of doing just that
Its extremely tedious to read over and over how Sanders cant work or compromise with his own party when he has a several decade career of doing just that
...it is also tedious to read over and over again how Warren is a capatilist plant that loves Wall Street?
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VP candidates do not flip their home states; it just doesn’t happen, historically, going back to the 1800s.
Yeah, you usually pick VP candidates primarily as a PR person for the administration that will break ties in the senate. After that you either pick someone that might be good to have launch trial balloons (which is how Biden was used a few times), put another faction within the party at ease or could be an additional appeal to a demographic group you really want voting for you. You wouldn't pick Beto to take Texas because if that state goes blue, it's not going to because Beto is the VP or even the nominee, it's going to be because the GOP shat the bed majorly this cycle (I suspect a recession before the election could make TX flip because we all know how the GOP will fuck up a recession even more, so not to hurt Donald Trump's ego). Just like you wouldn't include Castro on the ticket to flip TX.
Looking at the top three: Biden, Sanders & Warren. I think Beto only really makes sense was a VP for Warren. I just see it not be taken well if he is the VP choice for either Bernie or Biden because then the ticket is just two white men. Abrams & Castro would work well on all three tickets. Though the eventual nominee isn't exactly limited to those three choice either. Not sure many expected Hillary to pick Kaine as her running mate.
Its extremely tedious to read over and over how Sanders cant work or compromise with his own party when he has a several decade career of doing just that
...it is also tedious to read over and over again how Warren is a capatilist plant that loves Wall Street?
I don’t know how Bernie plans to unite the Democratic Party when this is what his fans are doing:
Josh Fox is a filmmaker and activist who worked on Bernie’s policy platform in 2016.
I’m not picking on this guy so much as this is a good encapsulation of the anti-Warren narrative from the Sanders campaign.
1, the Native American thing, as if Warren hasn’t apologized, explained, and come out with the best policy plan for that group working a Native American legislator, and as if the whole thing doesn’t stem from a racist Trump attack
2, Warren is tarred for meeting with 2016’s nominee as if Hillary is an Establishment Vampire who will bite her
3, Warren is portrayed as a sellout for taking big donor money because she rolled over her Senate campaign funding into the presidential campaign (which has since not accepted big donors)
Is there a pattern to these attacks, as this guy claims? I’m not seeing one, unless you’re assuming they’re all clear signs of Warren secretly being one of those Heartless from Kingdom Hearts, or maybe a They Live! alien.
What I do see is a reliance on character attacks rather than policy disagreements, because they have no policy disagreements! Bernie and Warren publicly have taken the attitude of, we’re both going to run and not attack each other and hopefully one of us will win so our shared ideas can be implemented. I wish the Sanders folks would take the same tack, rather than using these smears to try and question Warren’s ideological purity.
I don't know how many people actually hold the view, but online there's definitely a contingent of support for Sanders that's best understood thus:
No candidate is moral but Bernie Sanders, because no one else is a socialist. Capitalists are inherently immoral and illegitimate, because capitalism is bad.
Everything else is just whatever argument works to convince other people in the moment, because there aren't enough socialists to win primaries, much less general elections, with just that.
Warren is looking like the next person to beat when Biden drops out, so it's time to hunt down an outrage that sticks because the Native thing doesn't have legs.
Some people might think that's a sketchy way to go about politics, but you must remember that you're only manipulating and tricking capitalists, who are either too ignorant or too evil to be making decisions anyway.
Its extremely tedious to read over and over how Sanders cant work or compromise with his own party when he has a several decade career of doing just that
...it is also tedious to read over and over again how Warren is a capatilist plant that loves Wall Street?
She took a bunch in the lead up to the election and then swore off it once she was campaigning in earnest. There was a thing on it in the NYT yesterday.
The open secret of Ms. Warren’s campaign is that her big-money fund-raising through 2018 helped lay the foundation for her anti-big-money run for the presidency. Last winter and spring, she transferred $10.4 million in leftover funds from her 2018 Senate campaign to underwrite her 2020 run, a portion of which was raised from the same donor class she is now running against.
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I’d say we should make sure whoever gets the job is someone we’d be happy seeing as a frontrunner in 8 years (as Biden is right now, and Gore was in 2000), but they should be a good representative, not a senator.
I would normally say the pick could be an elder statesman who’s not gonna run again, but I thought that was Biden in 2008.
Qualified, but either someone you can trivially replace in Congress or someone whose ceiling is otherwise beating you for the nomination or a cabinet post because they're likely locked out of the Senate or governor's office.
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Yeah what I"m getting is they're terrified of Sanders, and would reluctantly back Warren as the lesser of two "evils".
Well yeah Wall Street, sure. That's not all of the super rich people though, or even the majority for all I know. The fact that she is making these people nervous is great, but it doesn't mean other rich folk are also nervous.
He absolutely would if he thought he could.
He would get his body surgically grafted to Obama’s if he thought it would win him the primary.
(Elizabeth Warren is a U.S. Senator currently running for President)
Green Room before the next debate.
Cory Booker sits alone because he's next to the veggie platter.
Marianne Williamson drags her spoon around the edge of her cup of tea, talking about crystals or some shit
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He awakens strapped to a surgical table, Joe Biden is in a hospital gown on a bed besides his...
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I suspect this is because he thinks she's more likely to win than because her policies are worse for him
whatever though, Peter Thiel's thoughts on this issue aren't important
I mean they clearly are a bit important, that's the whole pitch of the Sanders anti-endorsement page.
I think they legitimately are banking on the sort of generally accepted ridiculousness in America that rich people are somehow economic geniuses, so that saying "The candidate who would fund social programs and prevent the earth from lighting on fire will definitely cause a recession!" has a good chance of working if you back it up with the "proof" that you've got ridiculous amounts of money. I'm happy to see Warren and Sanders setting it up as "they're worried about their money, not about the economy, fuck 'em", because I think maybe that works for folks? I hope it works.
Edit: And no doing a double senator ticket would be extremely dumb, and unnecessary.
Given his response to certain questions in recent weeks, I'd love to see a Warren/Beto ticket, with Beto being given a long leash, and having him calling out bullshit when it matters. Or as WACriminal suggested, Warren's anger translator.
Though I could see Harris in that role too, but she's more likely to want to fight by Queensbury rules.
They're able to negotiate with Warren, Sanders not so much.
Warren/Beto would be an interesting mix. If she wins, though, I'll bet she picks Abrams.
I'd want Harris as AG far more than VP.
Julia Louis-Dreyfus for Veep?
I mean, it's not WORSE than the current situation.
Carter is only 18 years older than Biden and Sanders
Biden and Sanders are 33 years older than Abrams
Why is this self evident? I feel like unless I missed something both candidates have broadly defined the same priorities about taxing the wealthy to fund social programs and climate mitigation and regulating businesses to reduce inequality and other negative consequences of runaway capitalism.
Neither of them have proposed the annihilation of capital, unfortunately.
I know it is probably tiring for people to keep saying eh six of one half a dozen of the other when you're super into either of these candidates, but I feel like there's an underlying assumption about how Sanders is literally going to guillotine the wealthy that isn't borne out by past actions or present proposals.
I'm sure it may be some of that, but it could also be the fact that Warren has called for big tech companies like google, facebook and amazon to be broken up.
....is that the pitch for the new Face/Off movie announcement?
It's not simply about priorities, it's how they go about working with the party itself. Warren has shown she's able to hold her nose and work with the party leaders and the coalition on an agenda, in contrast to Bernie who's grown further away from leadership the last few years. Remember how large portions of the party ran from Obama in his first term? That'd be where Sanders begins as president due to his volatile temperament.
And yet many of Bernie's followers are riding with him because they think he will do this.
Sanders built his political machine from '16 on this being his wheelhouse. His past actions and proposals tilt in that direction, that's why he's obsessed with making bills which will go nowhere and will alienate his natural allies.
It actually would blunt some concerns, and it definitely would help overall chances to pick a Texan for the VP spot. Texas is soft! Winning there means you win the whole thing!
Making Trump defend TX would be a great tactical move, plus picking a young guy who can carry things forward means you maybe have 12 years to get stuff done, and that's actually a lot of room to work.
Narrator: He couldn't.
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This is awfully dismissive of a candidate that came closer to taking a Texas Senate seat than anybody in recent memory and allowed a bunch of downballot victories we had no business winning.
Beto isn’t going to win this but he did some good stuff in Texas and was actually pretty progressive for the state in the process.
Listen I love Purple Texas as much as anyone but you might as well be talking about picking Me. Tumnus to help us carry Narnia.
This is not the election to fuck around, this is the election to collect skulls in the Midwest and look really hard at Arizona and size it up.
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...it is also tedious to read over and over again how Warren is a capatilist plant that loves Wall Street?
Citation needed
Looking at the top three: Biden, Sanders & Warren. I think Beto only really makes sense was a VP for Warren. I just see it not be taken well if he is the VP choice for either Bernie or Biden because then the ticket is just two white men. Abrams & Castro would work well on all three tickets. Though the eventual nominee isn't exactly limited to those three choice either. Not sure many expected Hillary to pick Kaine as her running mate.
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I don’t know how Bernie plans to unite the Democratic Party when this is what his fans are doing:
Josh Fox is a filmmaker and activist who worked on Bernie’s policy platform in 2016.
I’m not picking on this guy so much as this is a good encapsulation of the anti-Warren narrative from the Sanders campaign.
1, the Native American thing, as if Warren hasn’t apologized, explained, and come out with the best policy plan for that group working a Native American legislator, and as if the whole thing doesn’t stem from a racist Trump attack
2, Warren is tarred for meeting with 2016’s nominee as if Hillary is an Establishment Vampire who will bite her
3, Warren is portrayed as a sellout for taking big donor money because she rolled over her Senate campaign funding into the presidential campaign (which has since not accepted big donors)
Is there a pattern to these attacks, as this guy claims? I’m not seeing one, unless you’re assuming they’re all clear signs of Warren secretly being one of those Heartless from Kingdom Hearts, or maybe a They Live! alien.
What I do see is a reliance on character attacks rather than policy disagreements, because they have no policy disagreements! Bernie and Warren publicly have taken the attitude of, we’re both going to run and not attack each other and hopefully one of us will win so our shared ideas can be implemented. I wish the Sanders folks would take the same tack, rather than using these smears to try and question Warren’s ideological purity.
No candidate is moral but Bernie Sanders, because no one else is a socialist. Capitalists are inherently immoral and illegitimate, because capitalism is bad.
Everything else is just whatever argument works to convince other people in the moment, because there aren't enough socialists to win primaries, much less general elections, with just that.
Warren is looking like the next person to beat when Biden drops out, so it's time to hunt down an outrage that sticks because the Native thing doesn't have legs.
Some people might think that's a sketchy way to go about politics, but you must remember that you're only manipulating and tricking capitalists, who are either too ignorant or too evil to be making decisions anyway.
Yeah except no one here said that so
Youre fully aware he caucuses with the Democrats.
She took a bunch in the lead up to the election and then swore off it once she was campaigning in earnest. There was a thing on it in the NYT yesterday.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/09/us/politics/elizabeth-warren-2020.html?smtyp=cur&smid=tw-nytimes