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https://venturebeat.com/2019/08/02/e3-data-leak/
There is probably enough meat on this issue for it to be spun off into its own thread, but it does pertain directly to E3 2019 (and very likely beyond)
ESA have basically doxxed 2000 attendees (journalists, analysts and 'influencers' alike) of E3 2019 as it was discovered. The original source itself hosted by the ESA (originally for the purposes of contact between orgs regarding E3) has been taken down but it's almost completely certain that copies will remain on the internet (and in possession of undesirables) for as long as the internet continues to exist.
The ESA have released a pithy statement on the issue, but given the scope of companies involved (not only game journalist sites but also the likes of American and multinational mainstream groups like Alphabet, Amazon, Tencent, BBC) all roads will likely point to some sort of hammer down, whether it be a class-action lawsuit or the full force of GDPR.
I will say if this leads to the death of E3 as we know it, as much as I enjoy following it every year I won't mourn its loss.
And, according to rumblings on twitter, the gators are already harassing folks. Wheee!
that's extremely sad. Then again, I remember reading on Resetera that someone was being harassed on his JOB for posting his opinion about the EGS. I mean, the internet seems like mistake.
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As an update, 2004 and 2006 attendee info is out there on the net as well. Though in those instances, it wasn't the ESA necessarily being stupid by just uploading it to the internet themselves.
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What would that mean though, is that a hack or
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No idea. The E3 Media team disclosed it as part of a statement today. They got the attendee contact info list from 2019 taken down from some sites (the ones they know of) but in that process discovered that the 2004 and 2006 info was out there as well somehow.
The ESA has a lot to answer for, at any rate. They clearly have shit for security.
So they're going to try and retool E3 yet another time. And it doesn't even seem to have games as the forefront anymore.
"In a pitch deck reportedly intended for the lobbying group’s members, ideas including "experience hubs" and influencer and paid celebrity deals were shared, with one example suggesting that members of the Los Angeles Lakers could play a basketball video game in front of fans."
Not sure where else to put this. So, not only is Sony choosing not to attend E3 this year (because they disagree with the show's vision for this year), but now this is happening:
You know it's bad if Geoff "The Face" Keighley is bailing ship too
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Maybe make a reasonably-budgeted event about electronic entertainment instead of a mega-budgeted ultra-commercial advertising event dominated by the biggest, richest publishers?
It was around August 2019, last year's E3. The ESA website had a spreadsheet filled with the personal and contact info of tons of (all?) press attendees, including YouTubers and streamers, from E3 2019, available to download by anyone. Unsecured.
Some journo for a small site found it, contacted the ESA, the link was pulled, the journo posted about it, then people went and got the file anyway because, even though the link was gone, the file was still there.
It was around August 2019, last year's E3. The ESA website had a spreadsheet filled with the personal and contact info of tons of (all?) press attendees, including YouTubers and streamers, from E3 2019, available to download by anyone. Unsecured.
Some journo for a small site found it, contacted the ESA, the link was pulled, the journo posted about it, then people went and got the file anyway because, even though the link was gone, the file was still there.
And then the media blamed the independent (at the time) journalist instead of the ESA and accused her of doxxing and sent her constant venomous hate messages. And then refused to give her credit for breaking the story because she wasn't in the in-crowd and gave credit to Kotaku instead when they re-reported it. It was really despicable and stupid.
Also, it's worse. The ESA had multiple years of press attendees information on the site going back for a while, and not just the initial one reported on it was later found out.
But yeah, they had the names, phone numbers, e-mail addresses, and physical addressed of nearly every journalist in spreadsheets in plain text unsecured on the site.
I wonder if it's in protest of the doxxing. He sounds like he's trying to be diplomatic about the actual reason he's not going.
i imagine that played a part, but it sounds like he gave them a chance to pitch the vision for this years show and what ever they put forward was ultimately the final nail in the coffin for him.
Geoff Keighly was at E3? I guess that's what I get for only watching the major keynotes.
Yeah I had no clue he had any sort of official role with E3.
I mean I knew he was there given his profession. I just didn’t know he had some sort of involvement with the proceedings.
he produced/hosted the E3 Colosseum thing. basically ESA's official coverage of the event. interviews with devs and the like, streamed and with a live audience of attendees. it wasn't anything particularly special so you didn't miss out on much.
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Geoff entered the darkened chamber where the High Lords of the ESA held court. Despite having been summoned to this place countless times the sense of wrongness he felt upon entering only ever seemed to become more overbearing as the years went by.
“My Lords,” he said while kneeling. “What is thy bidding for this year’s E3?”
The cowled figures seated at the Great Table began to stir. If they had names Geoff knew them not, but the one in the center he mentally referred to as The Speaker. As far as he was aware it seemed to be the only one of the High Lords that communicated with crude Human speech. Though the sound was like cracking ice.
“We sHaLl dO WhAT we HAvE aLWaYs dONe.”, The Speaker uttered. Geoff suppressed the urge to shiver.
“But my Lords,” Geoff pleaded. “We can’t keep doing the same thing! The Expo is dying and it must change!”
Several of the cowled figures hissed in revulsion.
“wE dO NoT ChANGe!” The Speaker shouted. It spit out that last word like one might do a curse.
The rest of the cowled figures began to shriek in unison. A sound the likes of which no mortal should ever hear.
Geoff’s nerves broke before the cowled figures finished their unnatural wailing and he ran for the door. After all he had seen and heard there was no force in Heaven or Hell that could compel him to enter that chamber again.
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Geoff Keighly was at E3? I guess that's what I get for only watching the major keynotes.
Yeah I had no clue he had any sort of official role with E3.
I mean I knew he was there given his profession. I just didn’t know he had some sort of involvement with the proceedings.
Agreed--to be clear, I know Geoff Keighly was at E3. Almost half of Achievement Hunter is at E3, why wouldn't Geoff Keighly be? I could be at E3 if I tried hard enough and spent enough money.
I had no idea he had an official or unofficial regular posting at the event though, any more than people from Achievement Hunter. Unless he's gushing about Hideo Kojima or something, I never expect to see him at it, but here him afterwards give his thoughts along with thousands of other industry-adjacent people.
iam8bit has fully dropped out of E3 2020, announcing over Twitter that the company will no longer be working alongside the E3 team to deliver the overhauled expo floor experience planned for the 2020 show this June.
“It’s with mixed emotions that @iam8bit has decided to resign as Creative Directors of what was to be an evolutionary #E32020 floor experience,” tweeted the iam8bit team. “We’ve produced hundreds of gaming + community events and it was a dream to be involved with E3. We wish the organizers the best of luck.”
The company was on board as the creative directors for E3’s showfloor experience, an overhaul and partnership that the ESA said in January was intended to “shake things up” and create a more involved expo floor experience with “ surprise guests, amazing stage experiences, access to insiders and experiential zones.”
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Huh, I wonder what happened. E3 sure as hell needs a shake-up to re-engage interest.
It sucks that E3 is slowly going away, but it's just becoming better and better for companies to just produce online bite sized content to show off what they're working on. It's vastly cheaper and there's less pressure for live demonstrations.
This has been an almost uncomfortable wake-up call for me realizing I don't know who any of these people are, and if I do, I never see them despite watching E3 each year.
While sad, I really hope Sony still do a big theater showing for the PS5 this year. Watching in the theaters has been a highlight since the 1st one revealed FF7R.
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While sad, I really hope Sony still do a big theater showing for the PS5 this year. Watching in the theaters has been a highlight since the 1st one revealed FF7R.
I'm sure they will, they just won't be doing it at E3.
Considering their last E3 was...a live flute performance, and a twenty minute venue change after a slightly shorter The Last of Us 2 trailer, maybe that's for the better. Sony will still be at other conferences, like TGS most obviously, and they're probably less inclined towards live-performance-venue-swapping spectacle at those.
And on top of this, organizers have said that they're watching the coronavirus situation closely.
If this year's E3 gets cancelled and everyone switches to doing online stuff, the organization's going to have to work even harder to convince everyone of the benefits of showing up the next year.
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There is probably enough meat on this issue for it to be spun off into its own thread, but it does pertain directly to E3 2019 (and very likely beyond)
ESA have basically doxxed 2000 attendees (journalists, analysts and 'influencers' alike) of E3 2019 as it was discovered. The original source itself hosted by the ESA (originally for the purposes of contact between orgs regarding E3) has been taken down but it's almost completely certain that copies will remain on the internet (and in possession of undesirables) for as long as the internet continues to exist.
The ESA have released a pithy statement on the issue, but given the scope of companies involved (not only game journalist sites but also the likes of American and multinational mainstream groups like Alphabet, Amazon, Tencent, BBC) all roads will likely point to some sort of hammer down, whether it be a class-action lawsuit or the full force of GDPR.
I will say if this leads to the death of E3 as we know it, as much as I enjoy following it every year I won't mourn its loss.
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...oh.
that's extremely sad. Then again, I remember reading on Resetera that someone was being harassed on his JOB for posting his opinion about the EGS. I mean, the internet seems like mistake.
The ESA has a lot to answer for, at any rate. They clearly have shit for security.
So they're going to try and retool E3 yet another time. And it doesn't even seem to have games as the forefront anymore.
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"In a pitch deck reportedly intended for the lobbying group’s members, ideas including "experience hubs" and influencer and paid celebrity deals were shared, with one example suggesting that members of the Los Angeles Lakers could play a basketball video game in front of fans."
That's some major flop sweat right there.
Sell, not leak. Or both!
Soooooo yeah. Not great.
Well shit, I didn't even know about this. How far back does that leak go? I used to go to E3 with eToychest, but that was back in 2005/2006.
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Some journo for a small site found it, contacted the ESA, the link was pulled, the journo posted about it, then people went and got the file anyway because, even though the link was gone, the file was still there.
And then the media blamed the independent (at the time) journalist instead of the ESA and accused her of doxxing and sent her constant venomous hate messages. And then refused to give her credit for breaking the story because she wasn't in the in-crowd and gave credit to Kotaku instead when they re-reported it. It was really despicable and stupid.
Also, it's worse. The ESA had multiple years of press attendees information on the site going back for a while, and not just the initial one reported on it was later found out.
But yeah, they had the names, phone numbers, e-mail addresses, and physical addressed of nearly every journalist in spreadsheets in plain text unsecured on the site.
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Yeah I had no clue he had any sort of official role with E3.
I mean I knew he was there given his profession. I just didn’t know he had some sort of involvement with the proceedings.
i imagine that played a part, but it sounds like he gave them a chance to pitch the vision for this years show and what ever they put forward was ultimately the final nail in the coffin for him.
he produced/hosted the E3 Colosseum thing. basically ESA's official coverage of the event. interviews with devs and the like, streamed and with a live audience of attendees. it wasn't anything particularly special so you didn't miss out on much.
“My Lords,” he said while kneeling. “What is thy bidding for this year’s E3?”
The cowled figures seated at the Great Table began to stir. If they had names Geoff knew them not, but the one in the center he mentally referred to as The Speaker. As far as he was aware it seemed to be the only one of the High Lords that communicated with crude Human speech. Though the sound was like cracking ice.
“We sHaLl dO WhAT we HAvE aLWaYs dONe.”, The Speaker uttered. Geoff suppressed the urge to shiver.
“But my Lords,” Geoff pleaded. “We can’t keep doing the same thing! The Expo is dying and it must change!”
Several of the cowled figures hissed in revulsion.
“wE dO NoT ChANGe!” The Speaker shouted. It spit out that last word like one might do a curse.
The rest of the cowled figures began to shriek in unison. A sound the likes of which no mortal should ever hear.
Geoff’s nerves broke before the cowled figures finished their unnatural wailing and he ran for the door. After all he had seen and heard there was no force in Heaven or Hell that could compel him to enter that chamber again.
Agreed--to be clear, I know Geoff Keighly was at E3. Almost half of Achievement Hunter is at E3, why wouldn't Geoff Keighly be? I could be at E3 if I tried hard enough and spent enough money.
I had no idea he had an official or unofficial regular posting at the event though, any more than people from Achievement Hunter. Unless he's gushing about Hideo Kojima or something, I never expect to see him at it, but here him afterwards give his thoughts along with thousands of other industry-adjacent people.
https://gamasutra.com/view/news/359192/E3_loses_creative_directors_iam8bit_months_before_show.php
Not looking good.
It sucks that E3 is slowly going away, but it's just becoming better and better for companies to just produce online bite sized content to show off what they're working on. It's vastly cheaper and there's less pressure for live demonstrations.
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I'm sure they will, they just won't be doing it at E3.
Considering their last E3 was...a live flute performance, and a twenty minute venue change after a slightly shorter The Last of Us 2 trailer, maybe that's for the better. Sony will still be at other conferences, like TGS most obviously, and they're probably less inclined towards live-performance-venue-swapping spectacle at those.
If this year's E3 gets cancelled and everyone switches to doing online stuff, the organization's going to have to work even harder to convince everyone of the benefits of showing up the next year.
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