Inquisitor772 x Penny Arcade Fight Club ChampionA fixed point in space and timeRegistered Userregular
So I binged Discovery this week and...yeah. The first season was very much not Star Trek, but still mildly entertaining. The second season was better, but still had some glaring issues.
Overall impressions (no detailed spoilers, but just in case):
I think overall the show just suffers from being unwilling to be Star Trek. Ideas are not left to ruminate, themes are not explored, characters are not developed (and those that are have developed by way of near-caricature). And the dialogue is just...why. The audience are treated like idiots and the most basic things are repeated over and over again, which begs the question of how the episodes can be so long and yet convey such little depth. Every single episode has at least one moment where you question the need for blatantly obvious dialogue at the most inopportune times imaginable just to tell the audience what they have been watching unfold for the past several minutes. This penchant is slightly improved in the second season, but in favor of pregnant, poignant pauses right before major moments where time is supposedly of the essence. Which is an improvement in distinction, but perhaps not degree. Overall, there's definitely a feeling as though the writers have set destinations and a desperate need to propel the plot forward to these particular events without allowing things to develop organically. I have some hope that future seasons will be better, but wow did they really miss the boat with the first season in particular.
On the plus side, the production values are stellar (although they are in desperate need of a briefing room and other neutral, quiet areas of the ship where important, sensitive topics can be discussed outside of a giant fucking room/hallway where everyone can overhear). The actors are all fantastic (save Anthony Rapp a.k.a. Stamets, who seems to believe that there exists no facial expression that cannot be improved by squinting). The space scenes are gorgeous, especially warp travel and the Interstellar-inspired black hole in that one episode.
I really hope that in future seasons, they just trust that the characters and the universe are compelling enough to be worth exploring. There is a lot of stuff that would've worked beautifully if it were just left to breathe.
If meat is replicated in the Star Trek universe, there's no meat industry. Where does Sisko's Dad get his authentic meats for his restaurant?
No one said that ALL meat is replicated. Just like the PIcards grow grapes for wine, there is probably a thriving boutique meat industry on earth. In a universe where you can make instant clones of literally anyone, you could have thousands of clones of the finest wagyu beef cattle roaming around anywhere on the planet. You could go from slaughter to dinner table in an afternoon even if the cattle were raised on the other side of the globe.
If meat is replicated in the Star Trek universe, there's no meat industry. Where does Sisko's Dad get his authentic meats for his restaurant?
No one said that ALL meat is replicated. Just like the PIcards grow grapes for wine, there is probably a thriving boutique meat industry on earth. In a universe where you can make instant clones of literally anyone, you could have thousands of clones of the finest wagyu beef cattle roaming around anywhere on the planet. You could go from slaughter to dinner table in an afternoon even if the cattle were raised on the other side of the globe.
I suppose in the 24th century that shuttles can travel to anywhere on the planet within an hour.
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I believe they have public transporters on the major planets.
Sisko at one point mentions how he used up all his “transporter credits” going home from the academy every weekend.
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Yeah. I think the original O'Brien died in the time travel episode.
Much like how Harry Kim is a quantum duplicate and the original is drifting in space.
like an entire season of Voyager is all of their duplicates and then they all die the end no moral
You mean one episode, and it was a good episode.
No, I seriously mean an entire season of Voyager.
S4.E24: Demon: Voyager sets down on a "Demon-class" planet where Harry Kim and Tom Paris are duplicated by a sentient slime made out of deuterium (which they presumably also just use in their engines I guess?) and at the end of the episode the entire crew agrees to be duplicated so that the slime can live a more fulfilling life.
S5.E17: Course: Oblivion: Voyager undergoes mysterious malfunctions and diseases, culminating in their attempted return to the original planet, but unfortunately the ship just dissolves in space before they can make it. The "real" voyager happens upon the scene after they're all dead.
It's left ambiguous whether the intervening episodes were with the duplicate crew or the "real" crew, but I feel like they make nods to the events depicted between the two episodes in S5.E17, like To'llana's relationship status matches what had been happening in S5 so far, etc.
It's left ambiguous whether the intervening episodes were with the duplicate crew or the "real" crew, but I feel like they make nods to the events depicted between the two episodes in S5.E17, like To'llana's relationship status matches what had been happening in S5 so far, etc.
It's not ambiguous at all, Tom is a Lieutenant when he's getting married in the opening of Course: Oblivion because he never got demoted like the real Tom. The nods to the real crew is because the goo is going to have similar experiences because they're mind clones. Course Oblivion is 100% only the second time we're seeing the goo people.
I believe they have public transporters on the major planets.
Sisko at one point mentions how he used up all his “transporter credits” going home from the academy every weekend.
Do we have any modern day context for how much energy it takes to power a transporter?
Presumably, it shouldn't actually take all that much power. Matter converted to an energy pattern, energy pattern transmitted to a target, energy back to matter at target. The big energy cost should be in conversion, which would be fixed due to equipment, and transmission, which would be variable based on distance.
I bet you wouldn't even need antimatter-level power generation to use transporters, if you could somehow leapfrog past how they're based on warp tech and knowledge of subspace.
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I believe they have public transporters on the major planets.
Sisko at one point mentions how he used up all his “transporter credits” going home from the academy every weekend.
Actually I believe he said he went home for dinner every night.
I looked it up: (DS9, S3 "Explorers", 32:45)
Sisko: For the first few days, I was so homesick that I'd go back to my house in New Orleans every night for dinner.
...
Jake: You must have used up a month's worth of transporter credits.
Bearing in mind that Jake was guessing as to the amount, this seems like a civilian ration, set to about a 2-way trip every week. This is too low for daily commutes, but high enough to do basically anything else you want with them.
This ration may not be because of the energy usage, though. In general transporters need a qualified engineer at the controls, and need to be kept well-maintained or people die. I can totally see Earth wanting to keep transporter usage low not because they don't have enough energy, but because qualified transporter engineers have better things to do.
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Inquisitor772 x Penny Arcade Fight Club ChampionA fixed point in space and timeRegistered Userregular
I believe they have public transporters on the major planets.
Sisko at one point mentions how he used up all his “transporter credits” going home from the academy every weekend.
Do we have any modern day context for how much energy it takes to power a transporter?
Well the heisenberg compensator alone...
Easily remedied with a simple flux capacitor.
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O'Brien's mom wouldn't use a replicator, she cooked with real meat every day according to Miles. I'd imagine there's a lot of smaller farmers and stuff in the 24th century, maybe even cloned animals?
I can't remember where I read it, but someone somewhere put forth the theory that free-use transporters usable by civilians would result in some pretty major disastrous situations. Like for example, any major event, be it a positive or negative one, would result in probably tens of thousands of "looky lou's" all transporting there to have a look. Ever lived in a city hosting the olympics? That would be everywhere, all the time. There are stories right now of "social media influencers" giving an innocent shout out to a restaurant saying "best food in the city", and then that restaurant just gets flooded with more people than they can handle.
I could absolutely see transporter use being locked down and heavily regulated. It would almost have to be.
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I think a few times they mention transporter credits, so maybe it's like "it'll cost more credit to get to this place at a peak time, so save up those points!"
I believe they have public transporters on the major planets.
Sisko at one point mentions how he used up all his “transporter credits” going home from the academy every weekend.
Do we have any modern day context for how much energy it takes to power a transporter?
Well the heisenberg compensator alone...
Easily remedied with a simple flux capacitor.
Nah, the flux capacitor didn't generate power, otherwise, Doc wouldn't have needed the plutonium.
But, if everybody's got a Mr. Fusion laying around to power their in home transporters...
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Oh damn there are actual Time Cops
I though you all were joking
Edit: and they fucking hate James T Kirk hahahahaha
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Omg Worf
You get a vacation to Space Vegas and instead of having fun you want to hang out with the Space Westboro Baptist Church?
“I was quick when I came in here, I’m twice as quick now”
-Indiana Solo, runner of blades
Edit: and they fucking hate James T Kirk hahahahaha
Nah, those aren't the Time Cops I've been talking about. Those guys actually seem kinda competent, but they're after-the-fact investigators. Crucially, they don't seem to have time travel themselves, so their job is really just to try to make the paperwork make some kind of sense with Starfleets dating system.
You need to watch Voyager for the really inept Time Cops to show up.
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I will never watch voyager
I’ve read too much about it here
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Much like how Harry Kim is a quantum duplicate and the original is drifting in space.
like an entire season of Voyager is all of their duplicates and then they all die the end no moral
I had already blocked that episode from my memory and I literally finished my rewatch just a few weeks ago
Overall impressions (no detailed spoilers, but just in case):
On the plus side, the production values are stellar (although they are in desperate need of a briefing room and other neutral, quiet areas of the ship where important, sensitive topics can be discussed outside of a giant fucking room/hallway where everyone can overhear). The actors are all fantastic (save Anthony Rapp a.k.a. Stamets, who seems to believe that there exists no facial expression that cannot be improved by squinting). The space scenes are gorgeous, especially warp travel and the Interstellar-inspired black hole in that one episode.
I really hope that in future seasons, they just trust that the characters and the universe are compelling enough to be worth exploring. There is a lot of stuff that would've worked beautifully if it were just left to breathe.
Garek has just shown up and I thought people were making jokes, but you can cut the sexual tension between him and Bashir with a knife.
You mean the grand nagus?
Brooklyn 99 was my favorite for this.
Steam ID: Obos Vent: Obos
IMO nothing beats being artificially inseminated with your brother's triplets.
The end of that episode was... Uh, bleak
Picard runs a vinery. There’s a place for small farmers in the Federation.
No one said that ALL meat is replicated. Just like the PIcards grow grapes for wine, there is probably a thriving boutique meat industry on earth. In a universe where you can make instant clones of literally anyone, you could have thousands of clones of the finest wagyu beef cattle roaming around anywhere on the planet. You could go from slaughter to dinner table in an afternoon even if the cattle were raised on the other side of the globe.
I suppose in the 24th century that shuttles can travel to anywhere on the planet within an hour.
Sisko at one point mentions how he used up all his “transporter credits” going home from the academy every weekend.
-Indiana Solo, runner of blades
Which means that a cadet's allowance gets you one (1) round trip per week, possibly anywhere on the planet, or maybe just across the continent.
Do we have any modern day context for how much energy it takes to power a transporter?
No, I seriously mean an entire season of Voyager.
S4.E24: Demon: Voyager sets down on a "Demon-class" planet where Harry Kim and Tom Paris are duplicated by a sentient slime made out of deuterium (which they presumably also just use in their engines I guess?) and at the end of the episode the entire crew agrees to be duplicated so that the slime can live a more fulfilling life.
S5.E17: Course: Oblivion: Voyager undergoes mysterious malfunctions and diseases, culminating in their attempted return to the original planet, but unfortunately the ship just dissolves in space before they can make it. The "real" voyager happens upon the scene after they're all dead.
It's left ambiguous whether the intervening episodes were with the duplicate crew or the "real" crew, but I feel like they make nods to the events depicted between the two episodes in S5.E17, like To'llana's relationship status matches what had been happening in S5 so far, etc.
Actually I believe he said he went home for dinner every night.
Presumably, it shouldn't actually take all that much power. Matter converted to an energy pattern, energy pattern transmitted to a target, energy back to matter at target. The big energy cost should be in conversion, which would be fixed due to equipment, and transmission, which would be variable based on distance.
I bet you wouldn't even need antimatter-level power generation to use transporters, if you could somehow leapfrog past how they're based on warp tech and knowledge of subspace.
My mistake.
If my dad ran a creole restaurant I’d do the same thing probably
-Indiana Solo, runner of blades
I looked it up: (DS9, S3 "Explorers", 32:45)
Sisko: For the first few days, I was so homesick that I'd go back to my house in New Orleans every night for dinner.
...
Jake: You must have used up a month's worth of transporter credits.
Bearing in mind that Jake was guessing as to the amount, this seems like a civilian ration, set to about a 2-way trip every week. This is too low for daily commutes, but high enough to do basically anything else you want with them.
This ration may not be because of the energy usage, though. In general transporters need a qualified engineer at the controls, and need to be kept well-maintained or people die. I can totally see Earth wanting to keep transporter usage low not because they don't have enough energy, but because qualified transporter engineers have better things to do.
Easily remedied with a simple flux capacitor.
I could absolutely see transporter use being locked down and heavily regulated. It would almost have to be.
Nah, the flux capacitor didn't generate power, otherwise, Doc wouldn't have needed the plutonium.
But, if everybody's got a Mr. Fusion laying around to power their in home transporters...
I though you all were joking
Edit: and they fucking hate James T Kirk hahahahaha
-Indiana Solo, runner of blades
You get a vacation to Space Vegas and instead of having fun you want to hang out with the Space Westboro Baptist Church?
-Indiana Solo, runner of blades
Nah, those aren't the Time Cops I've been talking about. Those guys actually seem kinda competent, but they're after-the-fact investigators. Crucially, they don't seem to have time travel themselves, so their job is really just to try to make the paperwork make some kind of sense with Starfleets dating system.
You need to watch Voyager for the really inept Time Cops to show up.
I’ve read too much about it here
-Indiana Solo, runner of blades
I'm not sure anyone comes out of that episode with their dignity.
Maybe Leeta.
He’s essentially a terrorist now.
-Indiana Solo, runner of blades