That RU was the clear vote winner makes it really easy for the mafia to know to target Moridin with any obfuscation powers if any of them knew of that shortlist
My read is the exact opposite. Itβs easier to paint the winner (if village) than guess who mamawolf would target if she hadnβt told anyone.
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ObiFettUse the ForceAs You WishRegistered Userregular
That RU was the clear vote winner makes it really easy for the mafia to know to target Moridin with any obfuscation powers if any of them knew of that shortlist
My read is the exact opposite. Itβs easier to paint the winner (if village) than guess who mamawolf would target if she hadnβt told anyone.
But she essentially had. According to Jpants it was a shortlist of two people
That RU was the clear vote winner makes it really easy for the mafia to know to target Moridin with any obfuscation powers if any of them knew of that shortlist
My read is the exact opposite. Itβs easier to paint the winner (if village) than guess who mamawolf would target if she hadnβt told anyone.
But she essentially had. According to Jpants it was a shortlist of two people
Jpants had suggested them, but every night that we've been in communication he has suggested one or two people and I didn't even take a shot at anyone that he suggested. So, if anything he threw out suggestions of what he thought, but wouldn't be sure if I would go with it or not.
"May the moon watch over you and keep you safe through the night, 'till the morning comes and MamaWolf can protect you through the day"
And I'm operating under the assumption they can't mess with death results that come from the vote. That seems too powerful
I think this is a bad assumption. Iβve never been in a game with death millers where they couldnβt target the victim of the vote.
most death millers are assigned from the start. If the mafia have an ability to temporarily paint someone red, I can see that being balanced around it not working on the vote winner.
Otherwise, like someone said above, why not just do that every day?
H3Knuckles
JPants
LostNinja
Lucedes
MamaWolf - claimed village vig
ObiFett
shalmelo
Sir Fabulous
ZombieHero
I think that's the list.
Early vote on Lucedes to see where things go. She was headed for the block until Morridin (potentially red) announced that she was seered Green. Still lots of room for shennanigans, but I think it's an okayish place to start.
38thDoelets never be stupid againwait lets always be stupid foreverRegistered Userregular
Other than forgetting orders or some kind of mechanical limits there is no reason not to hit the vote target with it every night if you are able to. In addition to messing with analysis it is also completely demoralizing. I didn't think that one through.
And I'm operating under the assumption they can't mess with death results that come from the vote. That seems too powerful
I think this is a bad assumption. Iβve never been in a game with death millers where they couldnβt target the victim of the vote.
most death millers are assigned from the start. If the mafia have an ability to temporarily paint someone red, I can see that being balanced around it not working on the vote winner.
Otherwise, like someone said above, why not just do that every day?
Why not paint all mafia vote winners as village as well. That would be much more disruptive.
Other than forgetting orders or some kind of mechanical limits there is no reason not to hit the vote target with it every night if you are able to. In addition to messing with analysis it is also completely demoralizing. I didn't think that one through.
It would also be one of the most overpowered ability the mafia would have in quite awhile. It is possibly limited by every other day, X uses over the course of the game, etc. to balance it out, but every single day use mafia would win that game 99 times out of 100.
There are nearly limitless permutations of mafia's thrall/miller ability. We can only work with the information we have, though. If it turns out none of the revealed dead were actually their alignment then I guess we just shrug at the end of the game and move on.
And I'm operating under the assumption they can't mess with death results that come from the vote. That seems too powerful
I think this is a bad assumption. Iβve never been in a game with death millers where they couldnβt target the victim of the vote.
most death millers are assigned from the start. If the mafia have an ability to temporarily paint someone red, I can see that being balanced around it not working on the vote winner.
Otherwise, like someone said above, why not just do that every day?
Why not paint all mafia vote winners as village as well. That would be much more disruptive.
Because its easier to assume that people have been seered as green at some point so when they come up red after the vote it makes us not trust our seering even more.
And I'm operating under the assumption they can't mess with death results that come from the vote. That seems too powerful
I think this is a bad assumption. Iβve never been in a game with death millers where they couldnβt target the victim of the vote.
most death millers are assigned from the start. If the mafia have an ability to temporarily paint someone red, I can see that being balanced around it not working on the vote winner.
Otherwise, like someone said above, why not just do that every day?
Havenβt we basically been getting a voted out mafia every night except for one or two?
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38thDoelets never be stupid againwait lets always be stupid foreverRegistered Userregular
Lucedes still seems like a good enough target. Her surviving the vote seems to be the only drama that has really happened in this game.
i'm not saying i'm a good player, but i am a vanillager and voting for me is a poor choice.
i'm also not feeling this death miller hubbub because we only hit four mafia and i'm relatively sure there's five.
there may be an SK, that would be really interesting.
i'm going to vote for 38thDoe.
that bandwagon position is pretty good.
ZH could be it, depending on what intel everyone else has.
at this point most of the information i have is hearsay.
38thDoelets never be stupid againwait lets always be stupid foreverRegistered Userregular
If they are both mafia, Moridin saved Lucedes with that information. If they hadn't spoken up Lucedes would be dead.
If Lucedes is mafia than we get more information on the people who jumped off her wagon as well. If any of them are still alive. I'm having a bit of trouble searching this one without narration skips.
MamaWolfThe wolf pack guides all to safetyRegistered Userregular
For what it's worth, Lucedes has known me to be the butcher for a few nights and at least in network vouched for me a bit. I just get a village vibe from her.
I was warned to not trust 38thDoe , so I am going with that. Also, I haven't had much network with 38thDoe.
I may change my mind later, but right now, I don't like the Lucedes train and 38th is the only other one I got right now.
"May the moon watch over you and keep you safe through the night, 'till the morning comes and MamaWolf can protect you through the day"
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38thDoelets never be stupid againwait lets always be stupid foreverRegistered Userregular
If you really want to kill me, vig or SK me or whatever. If you vote for me, everyone else will and the village will gain nothing from tonight.
Usually when someone tells you to vig them you super don't listen to that
38thDoe
Only a great fool kills someone who asks to be killed so you can clearly not VIG me. But I would have known you arenβt a great fool, I would have counted on it so you can clearly not vote out. Checkmate!
Seriously though I am a villager and will die green unless someone changes my color unbeknownst to me. Maybe lucedes is green Maybe sheβs red. Sheβs the beat lead I have at the moment.
I'm mildly more suspicious of 38thDoe, but would be OK with a Lucedes vote - I don't think she's mafia but there's been so much back and forth about her role that it would be nice to see something concrete (if death results even qualify as concrete in this game, idk)
H3KnucklesBut we decide which is rightand which is an illusion.Registered Userregular
From memory: At the beginning of the game, Jpants organized a soft network with Gizzy, Bluecyan, 38thDoe, me, and Zombie Hero. We were all supposed to claim roles, spend day 1 investigating those roles, then day 2 questioning (in a different order) to make sure people were the roles they claimed. Gizzy was supposed to investigate Jpants' role but died, Jpants was supposed to investigate Zombie but got the result interference message. Blue, 38th, and I had a sub-network because we were all confirmed by day 3. Blue was networking with others, and between him and things in thread it ended up being asserted that Jpants was in the clear. I honestly lost track on things with what was or was not confirmed about Zombie.
H3KnucklesBut we decide which is rightand which is an illusion.Registered Userregular
Lucedes I guess. Man I hope someone breaks the tie. According to the rules one of the two candidates will be chosen at random, and I'll eat it for tieing the vote.
ObiFettUse the ForceAs You WishRegistered Userregular
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Wait
The person who was supposed to clear Jpants died and Jpants wasnt able to fulfill their end of whole plan and no one thought that was odd?! Has anyone actually cleared Jpants?
The person who was supposed to clear Jpants died and Jpants wasnt able to fulfill their end of whole plan and no one thought that was odd?! Has anyone actually cleared Jpants?
Yeah, my results for JPant's role/name came back green.
Sir FabulousMalevolent Squid GodRegistered Userregular
Sorry folks Iβve been out of commission in general from illness since Sunday. Iβve slept most of the past few days away.
Iβm sorry if Iβve left PMs to go fallow. My vote goes to Lucedes.
Two nights ago (or whenever the day before he died was) I questioned Virgil and got the result that he was Doctor John. The same day, Virgil βclearedβ Doctor John by seering him green.
I told Mamawolf and Lucedes about this and shared my suspicions that Virgil might be some sort of special, potentially a guard. Either that or he was suspicious. I sent Virgil a PM as well but he never got back to me.
The next day the mafia killed Virgil. This, combined with the red check that I second-guessed myself about means I have some suspicions sheβs actually just played me.
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The only thing we can do is analyze votes and posts on who we perceive is mafia.
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My read is the exact opposite. Itβs easier to paint the winner (if village) than guess who mamawolf would target if she hadnβt told anyone.
But she essentially had. According to Jpants it was a shortlist of two people
Jpants had suggested them, but every night that we've been in communication he has suggested one or two people and I didn't even take a shot at anyone that he suggested. So, if anything he threw out suggestions of what he thought, but wouldn't be sure if I would go with it or not.
i also seered lostninja as sally ann earlier.
so supposing i haven't been interfered with, lostninja is legit.
in theory.
I think this is a bad assumption. Iβve never been in a game with death millers where they couldnβt target the victim of the vote.
most death millers are assigned from the start. If the mafia have an ability to temporarily paint someone red, I can see that being balanced around it not working on the vote winner.
Otherwise, like someone said above, why not just do that every day?
H3Knuckles
JPants
LostNinja
Lucedes
MamaWolf - claimed village vig
ObiFett
shalmelo
Sir Fabulous
ZombieHero
I think that's the list.
Early vote on Lucedes to see where things go. She was headed for the block until Morridin (potentially red) announced that she was seered Green. Still lots of room for shennanigans, but I think it's an okayish place to start.
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Why not paint all mafia vote winners as village as well. That would be much more disruptive.
It would also be one of the most overpowered ability the mafia would have in quite awhile. It is possibly limited by every other day, X uses over the course of the game, etc. to balance it out, but every single day use mafia would win that game 99 times out of 100.
There are nearly limitless permutations of mafia's thrall/miller ability. We can only work with the information we have, though. If it turns out none of the revealed dead were actually their alignment then I guess we just shrug at the end of the game and move on.
Nintendo ID: Pastalonius
Smite\LoL:Gremlidin \ WoW & Overwatch & Hots: Gremlidin#1734
3ds: 3282-2248-0453
Because its easier to assume that people have been seered as green at some point so when they come up red after the vote it makes us not trust our seering even more.
Havenβt we basically been getting a voted out mafia every night except for one or two?
i'm also not feeling this death miller hubbub because we only hit four mafia and i'm relatively sure there's five.
there may be an SK, that would be really interesting.
i'm going to vote for 38thDoe.
that bandwagon position is pretty good.
ZH could be it, depending on what intel everyone else has.
at this point most of the information i have is hearsay.
Who claimed they had seered Lucedes as village before they were seered as mafia?
Not sure why they would stick their neck out for a villager either though...
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3ds: 3282-2248-0453
If Lucedes is mafia than we get more information on the people who jumped off her wagon as well. If any of them are still alive. I'm having a bit of trouble searching this one without narration skips.
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3ds: 3282-2248-0453
I was warned to not trust 38thDoe , so I am going with that. Also, I haven't had much network with 38thDoe.
I may change my mind later, but right now, I don't like the Lucedes train and 38th is the only other one I got right now.
If you really want to kill me, vig or SK me or whatever. If you vote for me, everyone else will and the village will gain nothing from tonight.
You make a good point. ZombieHero I was informed to not trust you as well. I know literally nothing about you, so there's my true vote.
38thDoe
Only a great fool kills someone who asks to be killed so you can clearly not VIG me. But I would have known you arenβt a great fool, I would have counted on it so you can clearly not vote out. Checkmate!
Seriously though I am a villager and will die green unless someone changes my color unbeknownst to me. Maybe lucedes is green Maybe sheβs red. Sheβs the beat lead I have at the moment.
@H3Knuckles
@shalmelo
@Sir Fabulous
And myself
Vote stands:
38th Doe - 3
Lucedes - 2
ZH - 1
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TLDR; I believe 38th is village.
Wait
The person who was supposed to clear Jpants died and Jpants wasnt able to fulfill their end of whole plan and no one thought that was odd?! Has anyone actually cleared Jpants?
Yeah, my results for JPant's role/name came back green.
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Iβm sorry if Iβve left PMs to go fallow. My vote goes to Lucedes.
Two nights ago (or whenever the day before he died was) I questioned Virgil and got the result that he was Doctor John. The same day, Virgil βclearedβ Doctor John by seering him green.
I told Mamawolf and Lucedes about this and shared my suspicions that Virgil might be some sort of special, potentially a guard. Either that or he was suspicious. I sent Virgil a PM as well but he never got back to me.
The next day the mafia killed Virgil. This, combined with the red check that I second-guessed myself about means I have some suspicions sheβs actually just played me.
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