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Tekken and Other Fighting Games That Aren't Tekken, I Guess (digital karate simulations)

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    KnobKnob TURN THE BEAT BACK InternetModerator mod
    Mr. G wrote: »
    playing Tekken for the first time in like a year and a half and boy they added a lot, huh

    was that basic combo thing always there? I tried it for a while and thought to myself "okay I'm not crazy these characters are supposed to have actual jabs right" and only found them once I turned that off

    They added 'combo assist' and easy special moves for casuals awhile back, you're not crazy.

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    H3KnucklesH3Knuckles But we decide which is right and which is an illusion.Registered User regular
    edited December 2019
    Jasconius wrote: »
    the real Ryu buff is st.HP -1

    Haven't seen Falke yet but Ed looks ridiculous, Chun is better. A lot of characters got better. They did some mild nerfs on the consensus top tiers, but all of those characters have really nice VS2 now also, so maybe its a wash

    seems like the whole cast stayed even or got better. i can't think of anyone who is like "oh yeah that character is deleted".

    The hardest hit was probably Akuma but they gave him a nice VS2 also, he'll probably survive

    How about Juri Han? I haven't been following SFV since shortly after it came out, but I seem to recall that she was considered a lost cause for a while.

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    JasconiusJasconius sword criminal mad onlineRegistered User regular
    edited December 2019
    H3Knuckles wrote: »
    Jasconius wrote: »
    the real Ryu buff is st.HP -1

    Haven't seen Falke yet but Ed looks ridiculous, Chun is better. A lot of characters got better. They did some mild nerfs on the consensus top tiers, but all of those characters have really nice VS2 now also, so maybe its a wash

    seems like the whole cast stayed even or got better. i can't think of anyone who is like "oh yeah that character is deleted".

    The hardest hit was probably Akuma but they gave him a nice VS2 also, he'll probably survive

    How about Juri Han? I haven't been following SFV since shortly after it came out, but I seem to recall that she was considered a lost cause for a while.

    She was average in s4. Mild improvement s5.

    Her vs2 is possibly a mixup tool.

    I don't personally think she can overcome her low damage and somehow go up a letter grade

    She is not a bad character though

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    Evil MultifariousEvil Multifarious Registered User regular
    I've really enjoyed watching Capcom Cup this year. SFV is a much better game than even last year, I think

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    H3KnucklesH3Knuckles But we decide which is right and which is an illusion.Registered User regular
    Jasconius wrote: »
    H3Knuckles wrote: »
    Jasconius wrote: »
    the real Ryu buff is st.HP -1

    Haven't seen Falke yet but Ed looks ridiculous, Chun is better. A lot of characters got better. They did some mild nerfs on the consensus top tiers, but all of those characters have really nice VS2 now also, so maybe its a wash

    seems like the whole cast stayed even or got better. i can't think of anyone who is like "oh yeah that character is deleted".

    The hardest hit was probably Akuma but they gave him a nice VS2 also, he'll probably survive

    How about Juri Han? I haven't been following SFV since shortly after it came out, but I seem to recall that she was considered a lost cause for a while.

    She was average in s4. Mild improvement s5.

    Her vs2 is possibly a mixup tool.

    I don't personally think she can overcome her low damage and somehow go up a letter grade

    She is not a bad character though

    Awesome, she was my favorite new character from SFIV, and her new biker outfit and black/white power effects are rad.

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    DaebunzDaebunz Registered User regular
    Jasconius wrote: »
    the real Ryu buff is st.HP -1

    Haven't seen Falke yet but Ed looks ridiculous, Chun is better. A lot of characters got better. They did some mild nerfs on the consensus top tiers, but all of those characters have really nice VS2 now also, so maybe its a wash

    seems like the whole cast stayed even or got better. i can't think of anyone who is like "oh yeah that character is deleted".

    The hardest hit was probably Akuma but they gave him a nice VS2 also, he'll probably survive

    jwong seemed to be positive about falke on twitter for what its worth

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    JasconiusJasconius sword criminal mad onlineRegistered User regular
    edited December 2019
    i am watching some falke VODs and uhh wow, she's really good

    last night I did Chun and Ryu. Both very nice. I have no idea what the hell Chun-li's v-skills are for. It seems like the most situational shit ever.

    Ryu VT1 st.HP xx fireball pressure is SOOOO SATISFYING now that it doesn't cost v-gauge. So many walk-up crush counters obtained last night. if i thought it were possible to do confirms against mexico consistently, I'd probably play him


    doing Falke and Honda tonight, I have a feeling one of these two characters will be the main....

    and by god.. for 5 minutes yesterday, I considered abigail because the tire is apparently from another dimension of reality and goes through everything. alright capcom, give me a donkey kong skin. DO IT

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    LarsLars Registered User regular
    They added a Volume 5 for Demonstrations that show off all the new VSkills. Also nab you an easy 1,000XP for every character if you need a little extra Fight Money for...Fighting Chance I guess?

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    JasconiusJasconius sword criminal mad onlineRegistered User regular
    Lars wrote: »
    They added a Volume 5 for Demonstrations that show off all the new VSkills. Also nab you an easy 1,000XP for every character if you need a little extra Fight Money for...Fighting Chance I guess?

    or a free CFN name change

    say hello to magikarp9000, a mysterious new competitor who has a suspiciously long match history with Ed

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    chamberlainchamberlain Registered User regular
    Hey

    Hey guys

    Remember HDR?

    Hell of thing, that was.

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    KnobKnob TURN THE BEAT BACK InternetModerator mod
    edited December 2019
    Hey

    Hey guys

    Remember HDR?

    Hell of thing, that was.

    baaaaaarrrrrfffffffffffffffffffffffff

    E: the new sprites were nice, and playing classic mode instead of remix over XBL was fun times

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    ph blakeph blake Registered User regular
    HDR is what made me go to my first local tournament, so I'll always appreciate it for that

    Then I started playing ST and was like "huh, this version is a lot more fun"

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    BroloBrolo Broseidon Lord of the BroceanRegistered User regular
    edited December 2019
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    hdr is one of the ugliest games I've seen released by a major company
    like it takes the worst aspects of SF2's character design and animation and then magnifies them 100x

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    P10P10 An Idiot With Low IQ Registered User regular
    that akuma's bicep looks like some kind of horrifying growth

    Shameful pursuits and utterly stupid opinions
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    LarsLars Registered User regular
    He's turning into a Tetsuo. Or an Akira. I forget, haven't seen the movie in a long time.

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    BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User regular
    the main characters of Akira are, confusingly, Tetsuo and Kaneda.

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    BroloBrolo Broseidon Lord of the BroceanRegistered User regular
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    akira, from akira

    he's on screen for like... a minute?

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    DragkoniasDragkonias That Guy Who Does Stuff You Know, There. Registered User regular
    Jasconius wrote: »
    i am watching some falke VODs and uhh wow, she's really good

    last night I did Chun and Ryu. Both very nice. I have no idea what the hell Chun-li's v-skills are for. It seems like the most situational shit ever.

    Ryu VT1 st.HP xx fireball pressure is SOOOO SATISFYING now that it doesn't cost v-gauge. So many walk-up crush counters obtained last night. if i thought it were possible to do confirms against mexico consistently, I'd probably play him


    doing Falke and Honda tonight, I have a feeling one of these two characters will be the main....

    and by god.. for 5 minutes yesterday, I considered abigail because the tire is apparently from another dimension of reality and goes through everything. alright capcom, give me a donkey kong skin. DO IT

    Yeah now that you can throw more than two you really appreciate how good his V-Trigger fb is.

    Like that is probably Ryu's biggest buff, he has a V-Trigger finally.

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    DaebunzDaebunz Registered User regular
    edited December 2019
    Jasconius wrote: »
    i am watching some falke VODs and uhh wow, she's really good

    last night I did Chun and Ryu. Both very nice. I have no idea what the hell Chun-li's v-skills are for. It seems like the most situational shit ever.

    Ryu VT1 st.HP xx fireball pressure is SOOOO SATISFYING now that it doesn't cost v-gauge. So many walk-up crush counters obtained last night. if i thought it were possible to do confirms against mexico consistently, I'd probably play him


    doing Falke and Honda tonight, I have a feeling one of these two characters will be the main....

    and by god.. for 5 minutes yesterday, I considered abigail because the tire is apparently from another dimension of reality and goes through everything. alright capcom, give me a donkey kong skin. DO IT

    I'm pretty sure tire is ass, it has like a year long startup

    The real good new abigail shit are the cr.mk ex punches confirms with the new launch height on that

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    JasconiusJasconius sword criminal mad onlineRegistered User regular
    Jasconius wrote: »
    i am watching some falke VODs and uhh wow, she's really good

    last night I did Chun and Ryu. Both very nice. I have no idea what the hell Chun-li's v-skills are for. It seems like the most situational shit ever.

    Ryu VT1 st.HP xx fireball pressure is SOOOO SATISFYING now that it doesn't cost v-gauge. So many walk-up crush counters obtained last night. if i thought it were possible to do confirms against mexico consistently, I'd probably play him


    doing Falke and Honda tonight, I have a feeling one of these two characters will be the main....

    and by god.. for 5 minutes yesterday, I considered abigail because the tire is apparently from another dimension of reality and goes through everything. alright capcom, give me a donkey kong skin. DO IT

    I'm pretty sure tire is ass, it has like a year long startup

    The real good new abigail shit are the cr.mk ex punches confirms with the new launch height on that

    what is it? is it a new juggle or just that it connects better now?

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    DaebunzDaebunz Registered User regular
    edited December 2019
    Ex punches sends them much higher in the air allowing you to get all the hits on a charged vt2, or you can do stuff like cr.mk, ex punch, vtc, dash up f.hp, vt2

    So yeah higher launch height allowing new juggles . They wanted to incentivise abigail to spend some meter

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    DaebunzDaebunz Registered User regular
    edited December 2019
    Stomps on ex run also now do this really hilarious otg thing on hard knockdowns/antiair cr.hp connects with it too

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    DaebunzDaebunz Registered User regular
    good news everyone, despite not really digging cody when he came out when he was my most anticipated character, my blank slate re: sfv muscle memory has allowed me to pick up and enjoy my favorite dude

    not sure what my issue was before, but I think I have achieved my final form

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    RoyallyFlushedRoyallyFlushed Registered User regular
    I haven't delved hard into the SF5 update yet but I wasn't overly impressed with the changes for Juri. Her new Vskill is probably better than her first, given how niche the original was anyway, but she was the absolute last character who wanted another move she has to stock to use first. The range on it is awful and it knocks down on hit so I'm a bit confused as to how much she can really do with this, frankly.

    Chun seems a lot more playable now, though. Particularly at lower levels given that her FK legs finally knocks down, giving her a much simpler confirm off of crouch MK. Her new Vskill is shockingly terrible though, and I'm really not at all sure what they were going for with it. You know it's bad when it still makes her incredibly limited Vskill 1 look better.

    Sakura is supposedly a lot better from what I hear. Her Vskill 2 looked really boring (and how many ways does one character need to beat projectiles anyway?), but again, she was another character who had a Vskill 1 so subpar that almost anything else would be an improvement honestly.

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    JasconiusJasconius sword criminal mad onlineRegistered User regular
    edited December 2019
    Sakura is supposedly a lot better from what I hear. Her Vskill 2 looked really boring (and how many ways does one character need to beat projectiles anyway?), but again, she was another character who had a Vskill 1 so subpar that almost anything else would be an improvement honestly.

    It doesn't just roll under fireballs, it has an attack part too and is a big time combo extender.

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    SabreMauSabreMau ネトゲしよう 판다리아Registered User regular
    Jasconius wrote: »
    It doesn't just roll under fireballs,
    I thought it didn't roll under fireballs at all.

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    Akira is a main character in the manga.

    He's a macguffin in the movie.

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    Folken FanelFolken Fanel anime af When's KoFRegistered User regular
    good news everyone, despite not really digging cody when he came out when he was my most anticipated character, my blank slate re: sfv muscle memory has allowed me to pick up and enjoy my favorite dude

    not sure what my issue was before, but I think I have achieved my final form

    RIP Huge Quest

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    Everybody @Folken Fanel plays as.
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    JasconiusJasconius sword criminal mad onlineRegistered User regular
    Jasconius wrote: »
    doing Falke and Honda tonight, I have a feeling one of these two characters will be the main....

    i dont have enough mindspace to fuck with Falke's VS2, it is extremely cool though. she will be a solid character. when i messed with her in Season 3 I thought that there was a big fun-factor problem with her offense, where it was functional but also 1-dimensional. VT2 and/or VS2 directly address it in a huge way. She is now a much more balanced character to go with some prodigious zoning normals. i dare say a total package


    Honda much better character for me. Simpler gameplan. also it seems nobody online knows what to do against him so that's always nice. the new character advantage

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    DaebunzDaebunz Registered User regular
    edited December 2019
    good news everyone, despite not really digging cody when he came out when he was my most anticipated character, my blank slate re: sfv muscle memory has allowed me to pick up and enjoy my favorite dude

    not sure what my issue was before, but I think I have achieved my final form

    RIP Huge Quest

    If I pick up gigas in tekken does huge quest live on

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    RoyallyFlushedRoyallyFlushed Registered User regular
    SabreMau wrote: »
    Jasconius wrote: »
    It doesn't just roll under fireballs,
    I thought it didn't roll under fireballs at all.

    I saw it compared to Rashid's roll so often I had assumed it did, tbh. If it doesn't then it's kind of a big question mark as to how they are coming up with some of these, and for what intended purpose. Sakura already had a niche VS1 that was largely limited to being a combo extender, so if that's also true for her VS2 then that's going to be disappointing to hear. At least she got some other good quality of life buffs, though.

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    JasconiusJasconius sword criminal mad onlineRegistered User regular
    SabreMau wrote: »
    Jasconius wrote: »
    It doesn't just roll under fireballs,
    I thought it didn't roll under fireballs at all.

    I saw it compared to Rashid's roll so often I had assumed it did, tbh. If it doesn't then it's kind of a big question mark as to how they are coming up with some of these, and for what intended purpose. Sakura already had a niche VS1 that was largely limited to being a combo extender, so if that's also true for her VS2 then that's going to be disappointing to hear. At least she got some other good quality of life buffs, though.

    i don't play sakura so i was taking your word for it, but it's similar in some ways to Ken's run, it's meant as a gap closer and something that can be used in combos

    it's a meaningful addition as her VS1 was in fact quite poor and I have only ever seen it used in VT1 setups... I think this one has practical uses outside of VT, I think I read that she has a st.HP combo involving it or something

    Sakura, like Juri, is criminally underrated, because people only seem to look at Top 8's to decide if a character is good or not. Both of these characters have monstrous representation online, including some grand master+ people.

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    LarsLars Registered User regular
    New character is supposed to be out tomorrow for Power Rangers: Battle for the Grid.

    Dai Shi, the villain from Power Rangers: Jungle Fury. He seems to take some cues from Akuma.

    Apparently he's already out for the Switch version.

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    DaebunzDaebunz Registered User regular
    had a fun night of accidentally killing people with bad spray that I forgot was on my movelist and antiair knife throws

    won back all the points i hemorrhaged reacquainting myself with the game. its too bad my closest local for anything but smash is 1.5-2hrs drive

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    JasconiusJasconius sword criminal mad onlineRegistered User regular
    edited December 2019
    learning honda set play is EXTREMELY interesting... this guy has quite a bit of cool shit to do against the opponent on wakeup to keep things fresh

    I'll give a shiny penny to anyone who can explain why I am getting +3ob w/ st.HK against a crouching opponent when I dash forward meaty after hitting with VT1... according to Capcom's frame data I shouldn't be +... but I guess the move has some special properties??

    i like that his target combos are actually really good and not just token inputs to get to v-trigger activation like so many other characters

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    SabreMauSabreMau ネトゲしよう 판다리아Registered User regular
    Jasconius wrote: »
    I think this one has practical uses outside of VT, I think I read that she has a st.HP combo involving it or something
    It only naturally combos off of S.HP and DF.HK, and combos off of counterhit C.HP or S.HK CC.

    One thing I found with it that may be useful is that off of her Jab-Jab-EX Tatsu combo (which she just gained in the patch), when it kicks them into midscreen, you can do the roll without the attack and you're right on top of them at +2 if they do quick recovery without a back recovery. Her regular dash doesn't go nearly as far.

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    Evil MultifariousEvil Multifarious Registered User regular
    edited December 2019
    Wow, Guile's vskill 2 is a nightmare.

    Edit: oh god Rashid's is even worse

    Is this Marvel

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    DeansDeans Registered User regular
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbsJkCIHVTQ

    Saying a move is so overpowered it's like the character was reincarnated into an isekai is probably the most damning condemnation I've ever heard in fighting games.

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    templewulftemplewulf The Team Chump USARegistered User regular
    edited December 2019
    Deans wrote: »
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbsJkCIHVTQ

    Saying a move is so overpowered it's like the character was reincarnated into an isekai is probably the most damning condemnation I've ever heard in fighting games.
    "That Time I Got Reincarnated And Could Shoot Sonic Boom" is a good-ass joke.

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    RoyallyFlushedRoyallyFlushed Registered User regular
    I don't know if I've ever been quite as disappointed in a patch as I have this latest SF5 sendoff. Seeing the high end of what some characters got really makes it feel like the ones I cared about got coal for Christmas.

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