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Tekken and Other Fighting Games That Aren't Tekken, I Guess (digital karate simulations)

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    DragkoniasDragkonias That Guy Who Does Stuff You Know, There. Registered User regular
    The patch notes feel weird to me like some characters got a lot while other got like nothing. And I'm just talking the low/mid characters.

    Like there is lack of consistency in how things are balanced.

    Also hmm of all the Vskill 2s I think Rashid's might be a bit too degenerate.

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    JasconiusJasconius sword criminal mad onlineRegistered User regular
    I don't know if I've ever been quite as disappointed in a patch as I have this latest SF5 sendoff. Seeing the high end of what some characters got really makes it feel like the ones I cared about got coal for Christmas.

    i dunno man. sorry you feel that way, but the feedback I've seen is like 97% positive and overwhelmingly so... it's a whole new game

    there IS a disparity in v-skill quality, but you have to bear in mind that some characters were completely defined by their v-skills, and they got some appropriately OP moves

    like Laura's VS2 is insane. but think about what she is surrendering as a character to get it... she loses her anti-airing-crush-countering-half-screen-easy-to-make-safe-or-plus overhead that also has an unseeable dash cancel from half her normals

    so yeah, she can have a one-button jump fireball, that's OK

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    ZxerolZxerol for the smaller pieces, my shovel wouldn't do so i took off my boot and used my shoeRegistered User regular
    Ah, that time of year with all the post-Capcap/patch SF5 talk which encourages me to plug the stick in and try to play fight games again. This can possibly go wrong.

    CE still has yet to drop until like next year right?

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    JasconiusJasconius sword criminal mad onlineRegistered User regular
    Zxerol wrote: »
    Ah, that time of year with all the post-Capcap/patch SF5 talk which encourages me to plug the stick in and try to play fight games again. This can possibly go wrong.

    CE still has yet to drop until like next year right?

    it's effectively already out... the only thing that CE includes that you can't get right now is Seth

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    RoyallyFlushedRoyallyFlushed Registered User regular
    Jasconius wrote: »
    I don't know if I've ever been quite as disappointed in a patch as I have this latest SF5 sendoff. Seeing the high end of what some characters got really makes it feel like the ones I cared about got coal for Christmas.

    i dunno man. sorry you feel that way, but the feedback I've seen is like 97% positive and overwhelmingly so... it's a whole new game

    there IS a disparity in v-skill quality, but you have to bear in mind that some characters were completely defined by their v-skills, and they got some appropriately OP moves

    like Laura's VS2 is insane. but think about what she is surrendering as a character to get it... she loses her anti-airing-crush-countering-half-screen-easy-to-make-safe-or-plus overhead that also has an unseeable dash cancel from half her normals

    so yeah, she can have a one-button jump fireball, that's OK

    I'm not saying it's a bad patch per se, just that I'm disappointed in it on a personal level. (Though I do have concerns as to how the balance will ultimately play out, particularly for Rashid.)
    I do think the characters who were *not* defined by their V-skills often got completely robbed by their VS2s, though. One look at Chun's cements that pretty easily, really.

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    P10P10 An Idiot With Low IQ Registered User regular
    i think capcom's goal with vskill 2 was to make them at least competitive with the character's vskill 1 so you'd actually have a choice to make, which sort of directly leads to people with good vskills need to get good vskills

    now that capcom has had a major patch where one of their goals seemed to be "adding whiff punishing" i propose that for season 6 they "add antiairs"

    Shameful pursuits and utterly stupid opinions
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    BroloBrolo Broseidon Lord of the BroceanRegistered User regular
    *weeps in birdie's cr.mp*

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    DragkoniasDragkonias That Guy Who Does Stuff You Know, There. Registered User regular
    edited December 2019
    I think most vskill 2 are pretty good.

    I just am annoyed Ryu's is very bad.

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    JasconiusJasconius sword criminal mad onlineRegistered User regular
    i have now played SFV 3 nights in a row and not once have I emitted a primal scream

    this is a new record

    how many more weeks until the new Laura army shows up online to reignite the screaming

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    DaebunzDaebunz Registered User regular
    Every time I kill someone with bad spray I pop off mike ross style

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    BroloBrolo Broseidon Lord of the BroceanRegistered User regular
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    JasconiusJasconius sword criminal mad onlineRegistered User regular
    edited December 2019
    cracked out a decent amount today online... only lost a few points with Honda but I can't play him in the slums. people too wild

    Ken's VS2 is fucked up. it anti-air's like Laura's VS1 and he gets a juggle, and I think it's -2 OB? absolutely obscene

    i always thought his VS1 was pretty hard to use correctly. so VS2 is for all the degenerate ass online kens, because I can't conceive of any situation where it's not the right button to push

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    templewulftemplewulf The Team Chump USARegistered User regular
    Jasconius wrote: »
    cracked out a decent amount today online... only lost a few points with Honda but I can't play him in the slums. people too wild

    Ken's VS2 is fucked up. it anti-air's like Laura's VS1 and he gets a juggle, and I think it's -2 OB? absolutely obscene

    i always thought his VS1 was pretty hard to use correctly. so VS2 is for all the degenerate ass online kens, because I can't conceive of any situation where it's not the right button to push

    I've been a Ryu player for 30 years, but it's time to see how the other half lives.

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    DragkoniasDragkonias That Guy Who Does Stuff You Know, There. Registered User regular
    edited December 2019
    I think with the recent patch Juri is probably now the worst character in the game.

    A lot of the other low tiers got help to bring them at least mid and Juri is still Juri.

    Dragkonias on
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    BroloBrolo Broseidon Lord of the BroceanRegistered User regular
    Dragkonias wrote: »
    I think with the recent patch Juri is probably now the worst character in the game.

    A lot of the other low tiers got help to bring them at least mid and Juri is still Juri.

    don't worry, juri will be seth soon

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    Raijin QuickfootRaijin Quickfoot I'm your Huckleberry YOU'RE NO DAISYRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    When the hell did Yoshimitsu become a squid person?

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    EuphemonEuphemon itsudemo sagashiteiruyo dokka ni kimi no sugata woRegistered User regular
    Dragkonias wrote: »
    I think with the recent patch Juri is probably now the worst character in the game.

    A lot of the other low tiers got help to bring them at least mid and Juri is still Juri.

    Juri is not close to the bottom imo. I don't even think she's bottom 5. Claw is definitely and comfortably worse, Alex Sim FANG Sagat probably are. And then it's a tossup between Ryu Juri Sakura etc. as OK characters who are well rounded but not exceptional at anything (ie they are mediocre in a game about mauling).

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    templewulftemplewulf The Team Chump USARegistered User regular
    When the hell did Yoshimitsu become a squid person?

    He becomes a different weird thing in every version.

    Are you coming back to it after a while away?

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    Raijin QuickfootRaijin Quickfoot I'm your Huckleberry YOU'RE NO DAISYRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    templewulf wrote: »
    When the hell did Yoshimitsu become a squid person?

    He becomes a different weird thing in every version.

    Are you coming back to it after a while away?

    I just started 7. I don't think I played 6.

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    DaebunzDaebunz Registered User regular
    yeah yoshimitsu has wildly different designs in basically every game he appears in

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    templewulftemplewulf The Team Chump USARegistered User regular
    templewulf wrote: »
    When the hell did Yoshimitsu become a squid person?

    He becomes a different weird thing in every version.

    Are you coming back to it after a while away?

    I just started 7. I don't think I played 6.

    Oh, nice! I skipped 6 too. I got T7 on PS4 and Steam, let me know if you wanna run some lobbies.

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    BroloBrolo Broseidon Lord of the BroceanRegistered User regular
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    UnbrokenEvaUnbrokenEva HIGH ON THE WIRE BUT I WON'T TRIP ITRegistered User regular
    Brolo wrote: »
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    but lets not forget

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    JasconiusJasconius sword criminal mad onlineRegistered User regular
    Euphemon wrote: »
    Dragkonias wrote: »
    I think with the recent patch Juri is probably now the worst character in the game.

    A lot of the other low tiers got help to bring them at least mid and Juri is still Juri.

    Juri is not close to the bottom imo. I don't even think she's bottom 5. Claw is definitely and comfortably worse, Alex Sim FANG Sagat probably are. And then it's a tossup between Ryu Juri Sakura etc. as OK characters who are well rounded but not exceptional at anything (ie they are mediocre in a game about mauling).

    i would say right now, amazingly, against all odds, and after 5 straight seasons of buffs, Sim is somehow the worst character in the game

    i dont even know if Sim beats Gief anymore because Gief is low key pretty great right now

    I don't think any other character in the game right now is as bad as Sim is, he's got his own special basement

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    BroloBrolo Broseidon Lord of the BroceanRegistered User regular
    Jasconius wrote: »
    Euphemon wrote: »
    Dragkonias wrote: »
    I think with the recent patch Juri is probably now the worst character in the game.

    A lot of the other low tiers got help to bring them at least mid and Juri is still Juri.

    Juri is not close to the bottom imo. I don't even think she's bottom 5. Claw is definitely and comfortably worse, Alex Sim FANG Sagat probably are. And then it's a tossup between Ryu Juri Sakura etc. as OK characters who are well rounded but not exceptional at anything (ie they are mediocre in a game about mauling).

    i would say right now, amazingly, against all odds, and after 5 straight seasons of buffs, Sim is somehow the worst character in the game

    i dont even know if Sim beats Gief anymore because Gief is low key pretty great right now

    I don't think any other character in the game right now is as bad as Sim is, he's got his own special basement

    rashid vs sim is like

    damn it's worse than yun vs sim in SFIV:AE

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    templewulftemplewulf The Team Chump USARegistered User regular
    Jasconius wrote: »
    Euphemon wrote: »
    Dragkonias wrote: »
    I think with the recent patch Juri is probably now the worst character in the game.

    A lot of the other low tiers got help to bring them at least mid and Juri is still Juri.

    Juri is not close to the bottom imo. I don't even think she's bottom 5. Claw is definitely and comfortably worse, Alex Sim FANG Sagat probably are. And then it's a tossup between Ryu Juri Sakura etc. as OK characters who are well rounded but not exceptional at anything (ie they are mediocre in a game about mauling).

    i would say right now, amazingly, against all odds, and after 5 straight seasons of buffs, Sim is somehow the worst character in the game

    i dont even know if Sim beats Gief anymore because Gief is low key pretty great right now

    I don't think any other character in the game right now is as bad as Sim is, he's got his own special basement

    You could easily rocket him up the charts by making him have no hurtbox during active frames like Menat. But they're way more scared of buffing zoners and grapplers than vortex bulldog horse shit.

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    EuphemonEuphemon itsudemo sagashiteiruyo dokka ni kimi no sugata woRegistered User regular
    edited December 2019
    Yeah Sim is REAL bad right now, but the thing that makes me think claw is worse is that there is literally 0 people having even mild success with claw. And I know he got some stuff (and he got buffed), don't get me wrong, and normally I don't like using results to judge character balance (with rare exceptions) and this is one of those where at least dankadillas/mochi/jesse have SOMETHING going on with their sim. Claw is just, literally non-existent, he's not in the game.

    I actually think Claw is pretty cool in theory, he just sucks.

    Having said all that, Sim is rough but I think he still wins the Gief matchup.

    Also rashid vs sim is bad but you should watch back some of the yun vs sim stuff in 4. That was a legit hopeless matchup as soon as yun got any sort of knockdown and he had so many ways to get in and sim had 0 tools as soon as he was in. It was worse.

    Euphemon on
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    templewulftemplewulf The Team Chump USARegistered User regular
    Euphemon wrote: »
    Yeah Sim is REAL bad right now, but the thing that makes me think claw is worse is that there is literally 0 people having even mild success with claw. And I know he got some stuff, don't get me wrong, and normally I don't like using results to judge character balance (with rare exceptions) and this is one of those where at least dankadillas/mochi/jesse have SOMETHING going on with their sim. Claw is just, literally non-existent, he's not in the game.

    I actually think Claw is pretty cool in theory, he just sucks.

    Having said all that, Sim is rough but I think he still wins the Gief matchup.

    Also rashid vs sim is bad but you should watch back some of the yun vs sim stuff in 4. That was a legit hopeless matchup as soon as yun got any sort of knockdown and he had so many ways to get in and sim had 0 tools as soon as he was in. It was worse.

    I want to see an Omega version of these characters, where Vega can VS2 on block, to make every blockstring some hot bullshit.

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    EuphemonEuphemon itsudemo sagashiteiruyo dokka ni kimi no sugata woRegistered User regular
    edited December 2019
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-fLETV8sLA
    This wasn't USF4 but I also just realized you said AE so yeah...Also mentioned in the video: reportedly Daigo had never lost even a round to a Sim as Yun LOL. But watching it, you can see why. That's a worse matchup than any in V, straight up. Sim literally can't play. It might as well have been me on the stick.

    Euphemon on
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    Raijin QuickfootRaijin Quickfoot I'm your Huckleberry YOU'RE NO DAISYRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    Tekken 7's DLC seems really pricey! I want the DLC characters but...daaaamn.

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    EuphemonEuphemon itsudemo sagashiteiruyo dokka ni kimi no sugata woRegistered User regular
    edited December 2019
    Also grapplers are, in fact, vortex horseshit. So I think that's a contradictory statement, though your sentiment is not wrong. Falke having a huge hurtbox on her staff is some real sadness.

    (also laura, gief, abigail got substantially buffed this season. alex did too but he doesn't matter)

    Euphemon on
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    UnbrokenEvaUnbrokenEva HIGH ON THE WIRE BUT I WON'T TRIP ITRegistered User regular
    Tekken 7's DLC seems really pricey! I want the DLC characters but...daaaamn.

    wait for sales! They are regularly half price or better.

    also what system are you playing this on?

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    Folken FanelFolken Fanel anime af When's KoFRegistered User regular
    Fearghaill wrote: »
    Tekken 7's DLC seems really pricey! I want the DLC characters but...daaaamn.

    wait for sales! They are regularly half price or better.

    also what system are you playing this on?

    Just got t7 for xmas. Will look out for these deals on dlc.

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    vagrant_windsvagrant_winds Overworked Mysterious Eldritch Horror Hunter XX Registered User regular
    Heads up for those that didn't know. Dengeki Bunko: Fighting Climax Ignition is on sale till the 5th (Japan time) for the cheapest it's ever been. 75% off. About $18. The two DLC character packs aren't on sale sadly and are ~$7.50 a piece (or $15 for both).
    https://store.playstation.com/ja-jp/product/JP0177-CUSA03475_00-DFCIGNITION00000

    It's French Bread's crazy (and crazy good) Light Novel character crossover fighter. The people that make Melty Blood and Under Night.

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    Raijin QuickfootRaijin Quickfoot I'm your Huckleberry YOU'RE NO DAISYRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    Fearghaill wrote: »
    Tekken 7's DLC seems really pricey! I want the DLC characters but...daaaamn.

    wait for sales! They are regularly half price or better.

    also what system are you playing this on?

    PLAYSTATION QUATRO

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    TcheldorTcheldor Registered User regular
    Heads up for those that didn't know. Dengeki Bunko: Fighting Climax Ignition is on sale till the 5th (Japan time) for the cheapest it's ever been. 75% off. About $18. The two DLC character packs aren't on sale sadly and are ~$7.50 a piece (or $15 for both).
    https://store.playstation.com/ja-jp/product/JP0177-CUSA03475_00-DFCIGNITION00000

    It's French Bread's crazy (and crazy good) Light Novel character crossover fighter. The people that make Melty Blood and Under Night.

    just needs more colons and an EX or two in the title.

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    templewulftemplewulf The Team Chump USARegistered User regular
    Tcheldor wrote: »
    Heads up for those that didn't know. Dengeki Bunko: Fighting Climax Ignition is on sale till the 5th (Japan time) for the cheapest it's ever been. 75% off. About $18. The two DLC character packs aren't on sale sadly and are ~$7.50 a piece (or $15 for both).
    https://store.playstation.com/ja-jp/product/JP0177-CUSA03475_00-DFCIGNITION00000

    It's French Bread's crazy (and crazy good) Light Novel character crossover fighter. The people that make Melty Blood and Under Night.

    just needs more colons and an EX or two in the title.

    Listen, if you wanna play Arcana Heart 3 Love Max SIX STARS!!!!!! you can just say so

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    templewulftemplewulf The Team Chump USARegistered User regular
    Fearghaill wrote: »
    Tekken 7's DLC seems really pricey! I want the DLC characters but...daaaamn.

    wait for sales! They are regularly half price or better.

    also what system are you playing this on?

    PLAYSTATION QUATRO

    Dope! Do we have each other on PSN? I'd love to get back into Tekken after not playing for a few months

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    Raijin QuickfootRaijin Quickfoot I'm your Huckleberry YOU'RE NO DAISYRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    templewulf wrote: »
    Fearghaill wrote: »
    Tekken 7's DLC seems really pricey! I want the DLC characters but...daaaamn.

    wait for sales! They are regularly half price or better.

    also what system are you playing this on?

    PLAYSTATION QUATRO

    Dope! Do we have each other on PSN? I'd love to get back into Tekken after not playing for a few months

    Maybe? I'm RaijinQ on there.

    I'm TERRIBLE right now.

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    templewulftemplewulf The Team Chump USARegistered User regular
    templewulf wrote: »
    Fearghaill wrote: »
    Tekken 7's DLC seems really pricey! I want the DLC characters but...daaaamn.

    wait for sales! They are regularly half price or better.

    also what system are you playing this on?

    PLAYSTATION QUATRO

    Dope! Do we have each other on PSN? I'd love to get back into Tekken after not playing for a few months

    Maybe? I'm RaijinQ on there.

    I'm TERRIBLE right now.

    I'm middling, but I also know other players at a beginner level, and I def don't mind running some training lobbies.

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