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The good, the bad and [The Mandalorian] OPEN SPOILERS

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    BrodyBrody The Watch The First ShoreRegistered User regular
    reVerse wrote: »
    Everything can have children with humans. Zabraks, elves, orcs, fish, horses, mushrooms. We're like some kind of boning nexus where everything wants to do us and we want to do everything.

    It's almost like creators are almost universally horny for their creations.

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    King RiptorKing Riptor Registered User regular
    Brody wrote: »
    reVerse wrote: »
    Everything can have children with humans. Zabraks, elves, orcs, fish, horses, mushrooms. We're like some kind of boning nexus where everything wants to do us and we want to do everything.

    It's almost like creators are almost universally horny for their creations.

    They are in Star Trek.

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    LucascraftLucascraft Registered User regular
    I am.

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    HappylilElfHappylilElf Registered User regular
    reVerse wrote: »
    Everything can have children with humans. Zabraks, elves, orcs, fish, horses, mushrooms. We're like some kind of boning nexus where everything wants to do us and we want to do everything.

    Thought I stumbled into the Mass Effect thread for a second here

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    PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    Humans are the ditto of the scifi/fantasy world.

    I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.

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    hlprmnkyhlprmnky Registered User regular
    From the perspective of a lifelong Star Wars fan who has gone pretty deep into various EU stuff (ran a couple WEG tabletop campaigns back when RPGs were called “pen and paper” to distinguish from computer RPGs, because tabletop games that weren’t made by Milton Bradley did not yet exist, for example) but who has watched two whole episodes of Rebels and four whole episodes of TCW:
    The covert and their Forge Keeper are super badass awesome. The Mandalorians who rescued Din as a child were also super badass awesome, clearly fighting the Separatist droids because the droids were trying to exterminate civilians, or I guess because they like scrapping droids? Either way. The Empire are all clearly evil jerks, and whether you consider Din and any surviving Mandalorians to be “good” in the way, say, Yoda the Elder is “good” is sort of irrelevant to the Din-versus-Darth Fring dynamic established by season 1.
    Favreau and Filoni could leave the deeper history of the covert, the story behind the Forge Keeper’s horns, the true nature of the Way and its adherents entirely unexplained and I, for one, would be completely satisfied to watch more of this show. I understand that it’s really satisfying to see this corner of the GFFA live and breathe without unforced errors and with attention to detail. As someone who loves the setting and doesn’t know the backstory though, the level of explanation provided so far is chef’s kiss.
    I have spoken (rest in power Kuill, you magnificent and very-expensive-actor-driven bastard).

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    BrodyBrody The Watch The First ShoreRegistered User regular
    Oh, they could totally never get into the background, and it'd be a great story. I'm just excited at the possibilities that are there if they choose to pursue it.

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    LostNinjaLostNinja Registered User regular
    hlprmnky wrote: »
    From the perspective of a lifelong Star Wars fan who has gone pretty deep into various EU stuff (ran a couple WEG tabletop campaigns back when RPGs were called “pen and paper” to distinguish from computer RPGs, because tabletop games that weren’t made by Milton Bradley did not yet exist, for example) but who has watched two whole episodes of Rebels and four whole episodes of TCW:
    The covert and their Forge Keeper are super badass awesome. The Mandalorians who rescued Din as a child were also super badass awesome, clearly fighting the Separatist droids because the droids were trying to exterminate civilians, or I guess because they like scrapping droids? Either way. The Empire are all clearly evil jerks, and whether you consider Din and any surviving Mandalorians to be “good” in the way, say, Yoda the Elder is “good” is sort of irrelevant to the Din-versus-Darth Fring dynamic established by season 1.
    Favreau and Filoni could leave the deeper history of the covert, the story behind the Forge Keeper’s horns, the true nature of the Way and its adherents entirely unexplained and I, for one, would be completely satisfied to watch more of this show. I understand that it’s really satisfying to see this corner of the GFFA live and breathe without unforced errors and with attention to detail. As someone who loves the setting and doesn’t know the backstory though, the level of explanation provided so far is chef’s kiss.
    I have spoken (rest in power Kuill, you magnificent and very-expensive-actor-driven bastard).

    You should really fix this. They both become quite excellent as they progress.

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    KamarKamar Registered User regular
    edited January 2020
    The Mandalorian feels surprisingly similar to the way the animated series feel once each gets past its respective growing pains.

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    RedTideRedTide Registered User regular
    Preacher wrote: »
    Humans are the ditto of the scifi/fantasy world.

    More like the diddle

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    davidsdurionsdavidsdurions Your Trusty Meatshield Panhandle NebraskaRegistered User regular
    RedTide wrote: »
    Preacher wrote: »
    Humans are the ditto of the scifi/fantasy world.

    More like the diddle

    Verb form, noun form. We’re figuring ourselves out.

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    reVersereVerse Attack and Dethrone God Registered User regular
    edited January 2020
    The Forge Master having Darth Maul horns doesn't necessarily mean she's evil or that this Mandalorian faction is evil. Darth Maul rose to power back when Mandalore was still a populated world, and he was opposed by many because he was an outsider. The horns could be a symbol of the "no, anyone can be a Mandalorian, fuck you" attitude this group very clearly has, not a sign of evil.

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    HappylilElfHappylilElf Registered User regular
    I prefer to think that the Forge Master just thought it was far enough away from Maul's horns that it wouldn't be a thing but it's totally a thing and all the other mandos give each other incredibly awkward sidelong glances

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    TychoCelchuuuTychoCelchuuu PIGEON Registered User regular
    GONG-00 wrote: »
    It is canon that humans and zabrak can have children together so yes I am assuming there is some system compatibility.
    Yeah but you don't know where the zabrak dick is. Or dicks are. Maybe they got hella dicks. Maybe all zabrak fingers are dicks.

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    KanaKana Registered User regular
    It'd be pretty funny if death watch reversed the usual process and start out as terrorists, only to become freedom fighters.

    A couple of death watch guards standing around, "wait... we constantly fight the empire and warlords... are we the good guys???"

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    MuzzmuzzMuzzmuzz Registered User regular
    edited January 2020
    I have a theory that possibly the more blood thirsty, overtly ‘Bad Mandalorians’ were via ‘natural selection’ weeded out during the Purge, while the more cautious ones survived, influencing this sect’s culture. It might rankle them that they have to stay in the shadows, but their survival is paramount.

    I also find it hilarious that the almost crackpot theory of maul surviving being bisected has been made actual canon.

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    valhalla130valhalla130 13 Dark Shield Perceives the GodsRegistered User regular
    In much of scifi, space, how it works, the distances involved, all that is a part of the stories, almost like a background character.

    And JJ just doesn't give a fuck about how space works. It was like that when he did star trek, too. Explosions light years away instantly visible, travel times of seconds..

    You mean like how the Falcon made the Kessel Run in less than 12 parsecs? Like that?

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    Inquisitor77Inquisitor77 2 x Penny Arcade Fight Club Champion A fixed point in space and timeRegistered User regular
    That's not the same thing... In one case you have someone using a word "incorrectly" but: (a) most people don't know what a parsec is and, (b) it could be inferred from the context that a parsec is an in-universe unit of time or travel. Also, it's dialogue.

    As opposed to literally showing things on screen doing things they shouldn't. Over and over again in rapid cuts.

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    LanlaornLanlaorn Registered User regular
    In much of scifi, space, how it works, the distances involved, all that is a part of the stories, almost like a background character.

    And JJ just doesn't give a fuck about how space works. It was like that when he did star trek, too. Explosions light years away instantly visible, travel times of seconds..

    You mean like how the Falcon made the Kessel Run in less than 12 parsecs? Like that?

    While, yes, George Lucas definitely made a mistake in his terminology, this isn't even a mistake as a sentence.

    Taken in isolation, if Han Solo had said he made the Kessel Run in less than 12 miles you wouldn't blink, you'd assume it's some navigational challenge, or more likely, based on this character, somehow very risky to cut corners on the route of whatever this Kessel Run is and the line of dialogue is perfectly fine.

    We only know George Lucas fucked up because they were just talking about how fast the ship is so the line makes most sense if the writer thinks a parsec is a unit of time. The EU authors jumped at the chance to turn the Kessel Run into a navigational challenge to cover for Lucas and we got that silly scene in Solo cementing it and this isn't even in the same league as J.J. Abrams.

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    Capt HowdyCapt Howdy Registered User regular
    GONG-00 wrote: »
    Capt Howdy wrote: »
    Maybe she is Maul's daughter.

    She would have to be from before the Battle of Naboo given that Maul left behind some essential equipment for that theory to work.

    Fine, how about Maul's granddaughter? Better?
    Thats right, I went there.

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    flamebroiledchickenflamebroiledchicken Registered User regular
    Honestly I kind of doubt that any characters from the cartoons or EU will be making an appearance on this show. They seem to be very much trying to do their own thing and tell a new story.

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    GONG-00GONG-00 Registered User regular
    Honestly I kind of doubt that any characters from the cartoons or EU will be making an appearance on this show. They seem to be very much trying to do their own thing and tell a new story.

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    EvilOtakuEvilOtaku Registered User regular
    I can very much see an Ahsoka/Sabine cameo if not an entire episode/arc. I doubt they'd join the main cast though.

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    Doctor DetroitDoctor Detroit Registered User regular
    Introducing a character who would likely immediately say, "He looks like Master Yoda!" seems unlikely.

    It's quite possible the Imps already know this, and they have no reason to share that information.

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    jdarksunjdarksun Struggler VARegistered User regular
    Introducing a character who would likely immediately say, "He looks like Master Yoda!" seems unlikely.

    It's quite possible the Imps already know this, and they have no reason to share that information.
    Did Sabine ever meet Yoda?

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    LostNinjaLostNinja Registered User regular
    jdarksun wrote: »
    Introducing a character who would likely immediately say, "He looks like Master Yoda!" seems unlikely.

    It's quite possible the Imps already know this, and they have no reason to share that information.
    Did Sabine ever meet Yoda?

    No, he would have been in hiding by then. I think a Sabine cameo is extremely possible, but Ahsoka not as much because of the Yoda recognition as well as because (Big Rebels Spoiler)
    she may or may not be dead. Rebels was really unclear on it though.

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    KruiteKruite Registered User regular
    LostNinja wrote: »
    jdarksun wrote: »
    Introducing a character who would likely immediately say, "He looks like Master Yoda!" seems unlikely.

    It's quite possible the Imps already know this, and they have no reason to share that information.
    Did Sabine ever meet Yoda?

    No, he would have been in hiding by then. I think a Sabine cameo is extremely possible, but Ahsoka not as much because of the Yoda recognition as well as because (Big Rebels Spoiler)
    she may or may not be dead. Rebels was really unclear on it though.

    you may want to watch the rest of Rebels.

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    ElbasunuElbasunu Registered User regular
    Rebels series finale and LOTR spoilers:
    Maybe Ahsoka the White and Sabine sailed off Into the West t find Ezra and Thrawn, that would make them all metaphorically dead.

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    LostNinjaLostNinja Registered User regular
    Kruite wrote: »
    LostNinja wrote: »
    jdarksun wrote: »
    Introducing a character who would likely immediately say, "He looks like Master Yoda!" seems unlikely.

    It's quite possible the Imps already know this, and they have no reason to share that information.
    Did Sabine ever meet Yoda?

    No, he would have been in hiding by then. I think a Sabine cameo is extremely possible, but Ahsoka not as much because of the Yoda recognition as well as because (Big Rebels Spoiler)
    she may or may not be dead. Rebels was really unclear on it though.

    you may want to watch the rest of Rebels.

    Oops, guess I should rewatch it. Currently rewatching TCW and it’s next.

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    LucascraftLucascraft Registered User regular
    Is Nick Nolte really that expensive? I didn't even know he was relevant anymore. Or even alive.

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    Romantic UndeadRomantic Undead Registered User regular
    Lucascraft wrote: »
    Is Nick Nolte really that expensive? I didn't even know he was relevant anymore. Or even alive.

    Eh. Nolte's personal life aside, he gave appropriate gravitas to the role, and Kwiil's fate gave the narrative a good heft and raised the stakes. Kwiil was great and I'll miss him, but I feel his fate served the narrative well. I don't feel this was a case of "they had to off him because we couldn't afford the actor". I mean heck, you could make the same argument about Ming Na or any other of the guest stars who only appeared for 1 or 2 episodes.

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    ThawmusThawmus +Jackface Registered User regular
    I gotta imagine Carl Weathers isn't cheap.

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    LucascraftLucascraft Registered User regular
    I mean, I never even considered money to be an issue.

    They're working with a Disney budget.

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    ThawmusThawmus +Jackface Registered User regular
    Lucascraft wrote: »
    I mean, I never even considered money to be an issue.

    They're working with a Disney budget.

    You can really feel where the money went in this show.

    in order:

    Special Effects Budget
    Choreography
    Story
    actors
    dialogue

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    GONG-00GONG-00 Registered User regular
    I feel Genndy Tartakovsky has demonstrated how effective storytelling can be without that last item.

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    ThawmusThawmus +Jackface Registered User regular
    Well, and I think The Mandalorian has demonstrated how effective storytelling is despite horrible dialogue.

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    -Loki--Loki- Don't pee in my mouth and tell me it's raining. Registered User regular
    Thawmus wrote: »
    Lucascraft wrote: »
    I mean, I never even considered money to be an issue.

    They're working with a Disney budget.

    You can really feel where the money went in this show.

    in order:

    Special Effects Budget
    Choreography
    Story
    actors
    dialogue

    I’d say the casting was pretty spot on, so I wouldn’t place it so low. Seems they wanted to get it right since they got the MCUs casting director, and it shows.

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