Imagine taking out a huge loan to go to an extremely isolated place in the middle of nowhere with little hope of returning.
Ok real talk: how the fuck they gonna collect if you stop paying your space payday loan while you're on Mars for the rest of your life?
Well obviously you don't get to go unless you already have an employment agreement with musk's company. So they just take it right out of your pay.
Not that it matters much because you can only buy things from the musk store.
I'm sure your monthly surplus after you buy food/water/air and pay rent on your tiny closet if a room will never be enough to pay your way out early and start building capital.
The great thing about having indentured workers on Mars is they can't just skip town and start over!
you kind of never really could just skip town and start over
Before the information age people did that shit all the time.
Yeah, honestly, if you aren't concerned with who you leave behind and are careful about it, it's still very possible. My sisters' dad did it multiple times.
It usually doesn't benefit you unless you already have nothing or are a criminal.
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But yeah for a Mars colony to not be a humanitarian disaster you'd basically need to have food/water/shelter as basic rights.
I think the Luna series is probably a decent reflection of the most likely outcome for extraplantary colonies. Where the Poors are constantly paying everything they have to buy oxygen, water and data
Homogeneous distribution of your varieties of amuse-gueule
If you take out a loan to go to Mars, instead of paying it back you can just be on Mars. What are they going to do about it?
Force you into the debtor's prison labor camps?
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Imagine taking out a huge loan to go to an extremely isolated place in the middle of nowhere with little hope of returning.
Imagine living out a mediocre ass life and never doing anything with it.
what an insane thing to say
how is signing up for exploitation IN SPACE better than trying to live a decent and fulfilling life in the place with like, loved ones and culture and oxygen
I'm just saying I get it. Toiling anywhere may be miserable but the allure of seeing or doing something that only a handful of people will do in your lifetime is something.
Like why climb Everest or cross the ocean on a raft or go base jumping? Sure we can all point out how dumb those things are but some people just don't want what most of us do.
I mean, this explains why Elon Musk wants to go to Mars, yeah. For this discussion though your analogy shouldn't be about the guy crossing the ocean on a raft, it's about the guy cleaning the toilets at the raft store
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I realize that nations have problems of their own but if a company gets people to Mars before a national/international space program I think we’ve generally failed as a species.
Jeez you guys are pessimistic. A guy says "Let's colonize Mars and make it possible for everyone to go there" and you're only trying to imagine the worst possible version of that.
Jeez you guys are pessimistic. A guy says "Let's colonize Mars and make it possible for everyone to go there" and you're only trying to imagine the worst possible version of that.
I mean when it's the unhinged narcissist ur-capitalist saying it, and his mechanism for getting people there is *checks notes* people getting put into his debt?
Yeah I'm not thinking his plans are for the good of humanity.
life's a game that you're bound to lose / like using a hammer to pound in screws
fuck up once and you break your thumb / if you're happy at all then you're god damn dumb
that's right we're on a fucked up cruise / God is dead but at least we have booze
bad things happen, no one knows why / the sun burns out and everyone dies
Vegan chilli (rich and smoky)
Vegan cornbread (a touch crumbly but very tasty)
Bourbon and raspberry coke (eh, still bourbon, which I only have in for cocktails but I was trying to kill the bottle)
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Jeez you guys are pessimistic. A guy says "Let's colonize Mars and make it possible for everyone to go there" and you're only trying to imagine the worst possible version of that.
okay zoomer
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Jeez you guys are pessimistic. A guy says "Let's colonize Mars and make it possible for everyone to go there" and you're only trying to imagine the worst possible version of that.
Given that a successful Mars colony would need to be very selective in who joined it for the first several decades it's tough to see why opening up to "all" via loans could be anything but a cynical cash/ slave labour grab
Homogeneous distribution of your varieties of amuse-gueule
Jeez you guys are pessimistic. A guy says "Let's colonize Mars and make it possible for everyone to go there" and you're only trying to imagine the worst possible version of that.
no, elon musk said it
he's a fucking moron whose idiocy would lead to space slavery
Jeez you guys are pessimistic. A guy says "Let's colonize Mars and make it possible for everyone to go there" and you're only trying to imagine the worst possible version of that.
I mean when it's the unhinged narcissist ur-capitalist saying it, and his mechanism for getting people there is *checks notes* people getting put into his debt?
Yeah I'm not thinking his plans are for the good of humanity.
He mentions loans, and you guys immediately jump to forced labor debtors prisons. Dude just thinks a mars colony would be cool.
I know it's built into the setting (and like, every other fantasy setting it seems) but I think the "fantasy race oppression as direct stand-in for real current racism/oppression" trope can be a fraught one that you might not want to directly highlight in your set-up? Like it's fine but just a thing to think about if you want!
also I'd like to follow your game so @ me when you put stuff out!
if we're just looking for more places to stash people there are plenty of uninhabited desserts and tundras on the planet that are far more habitable than Mars
living in a floating city on the ocean would be an easier project
life's a game that you're bound to lose / like using a hammer to pound in screws
fuck up once and you break your thumb / if you're happy at all then you're god damn dumb
that's right we're on a fucked up cruise / God is dead but at least we have booze
bad things happen, no one knows why / the sun burns out and everyone dies
Jeez you guys are pessimistic. A guy says "Let's colonize Mars and make it possible for everyone to go there" and you're only trying to imagine the worst possible version of that.
I mean when it's the unhinged narcissist ur-capitalist saying it, and his mechanism for getting people there is *checks notes* people getting put into his debt?
Yeah I'm not thinking his plans are for the good of humanity.
He mentions loans, and you guys immediately jump to forced labor debtors prisons. Dude just thinks a mars colony would be cool.
Given that most Americans are drowning in student loan debt I can't imagine how space flight, which costs billions, would go wrong
I signed up for Elon's Mars colony loan program and when I complained that the company provided bunk was too small for a human to lie down on he called me a pedophile on Mars Twitter 😩
Jeez you guys are pessimistic. A guy says "Let's colonize Mars and make it possible for everyone to go there" and you're only trying to imagine the worst possible version of that.
I mean when it's the unhinged narcissist ur-capitalist saying it, and his mechanism for getting people there is *checks notes* people getting put into his debt?
Yeah I'm not thinking his plans are for the good of humanity.
He mentions loans, and you guys immediately jump to forced labor debtors prisons. Dude just thinks a mars colony would be cool.
Given that most Americans are drowning in student loan debt I can't imagine how space flight, which costs billions, would go wrong
Are you assuming that the total cost of the seats is gonna equal the cost of the rocket?
why would anyone need debt to force people to do their bidding on mars
I mean like
getting control of people's money only seems like a powerful position to us here, because nobody can have control of the machine that makes the oxygen
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Also, the last time that someone pitched the idea of colonies it led to a lot bad things: slavery, imperialism, america
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tbf elon musk's mars colony is way more likely to result in critical workplace injuries in the name of looking like his favorite movie than some sort of space slavery debtors prison.
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I'm just saying that in the coup/ glorious space revolution, me and my gang are going to try to take control of the life support rather than the bank computers
Jeez you guys are pessimistic. A guy says "Let's colonize Mars and make it possible for everyone to go there" and you're only trying to imagine the worst possible version of that.
I mean when it's the unhinged narcissist ur-capitalist saying it, and his mechanism for getting people there is *checks notes* people getting put into his debt?
Yeah I'm not thinking his plans are for the good of humanity.
He mentions loans, and you guys immediately jump to forced labor debtors prisons. Dude just thinks a mars colony would be cool.
Given that most Americans are drowning in student loan debt I can't imagine how space flight, which costs billions, would go wrong
Are you assuming that the total cost of the seats is gonna equal the cost of the rocket?
The Mars colonies will find new and exciting ways to be a capitalist hellscape if we go there as we are now, and esp. if we go there under the direction of a self-obsessed billionaire
tbf elon musk's mars colony is way more likely to result in critical workplace injuries in the name of looking like his favorite movie than some sort of space slavery debtors prison.
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Jeez you guys are pessimistic. A guy says "Let's colonize Mars and make it possible for everyone to go there" and you're only trying to imagine the worst possible version of that.
I mean when it's the unhinged narcissist ur-capitalist saying it, and his mechanism for getting people there is *checks notes* people getting put into his debt?
Yeah I'm not thinking his plans are for the good of humanity.
He mentions loans, and you guys immediately jump to forced labor debtors prisons. Dude just thinks a mars colony would be cool.
Given that most Americans are drowning in student loan debt I can't imagine how space flight, which costs billions, would go wrong
Are you assuming that the total cost of the seats is gonna equal the cost of the rocket?
i'm assuming that space flight is going to be expensive and that taking a loan for a 1 way ticket to a destination where survival depends on the holders of your debt who have demonstrated time and time again that they lack empathy, perspective, or anything resembling basic human decency is probably not going to end well
that's not a huge assumption
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"The door closed on frank and cut him clean in fucking half! Why wasn't there a pressure sensitive stop? Why were the motors so strong? WHY WAS THE EDGE OF THE DOOR A METAL WEDGE?!"
"Musk said that the safety doors were 'shaky and sad and ugly'"
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Yeah, honestly, if you aren't concerned with who you leave behind and are careful about it, it's still very possible. My sisters' dad did it multiple times.
It usually doesn't benefit you unless you already have nothing or are a criminal.
Oxygen
Space repo men
One of the many jobs available on Mars
Along with space union busters and space company scrip printers
I think the Luna series is probably a decent reflection of the most likely outcome for extraplantary colonies. Where the Poors are constantly paying everything they have to buy oxygen, water and data
Force you into the debtor's prison labor camps?
fuck up once and you break your thumb / if you're happy at all then you're god damn dumb
that's right we're on a fucked up cruise / God is dead but at least we have booze
bad things happen, no one knows why / the sun burns out and everyone dies
In a quickest possible scenario it’ll be 60 years before anything like that arrives.
Early corporate utopia Mars will be overcrowded balloon tents and people dying of boredom and malnutrition.
I mean, this explains why Elon Musk wants to go to Mars, yeah. For this discussion though your analogy shouldn't be about the guy crossing the ocean on a raft, it's about the guy cleaning the toilets at the raft store
We're just describing Outer Worlds here
https://www.npr.org/2020/01/16/797098376/investigation-finds-mississippis-restitution-centers-act-like-debtors-prisons
I mean when it's the unhinged narcissist ur-capitalist saying it, and his mechanism for getting people there is *checks notes* people getting put into his debt?
Yeah I'm not thinking his plans are for the good of humanity.
fuck up once and you break your thumb / if you're happy at all then you're god damn dumb
that's right we're on a fucked up cruise / God is dead but at least we have booze
bad things happen, no one knows why / the sun burns out and everyone dies
Vegan chilli (rich and smoky)
Vegan cornbread (a touch crumbly but very tasty)
Bourbon and raspberry coke (eh, still bourbon, which I only have in for cocktails but I was trying to kill the bottle)
you're lucky if you become royalty while avoiding inbreeding
okay zoomer
Given that a successful Mars colony would need to be very selective in who joined it for the first several decades it's tough to see why opening up to "all" via loans could be anything but a cynical cash/ slave labour grab
since the assumption is that it would end up functioning like a regular city and society enough that this stuff comes up
I'm thinking "something broke and everybody died" is still almost just as likely as the fate of the colony
no, elon musk said it
he's a fucking moron whose idiocy would lead to space slavery
I know it's built into the setting (and like, every other fantasy setting it seems) but I think the "fantasy race oppression as direct stand-in for real current racism/oppression" trope can be a fraught one that you might not want to directly highlight in your set-up? Like it's fine but just a thing to think about if you want!
also I'd like to follow your game so @ me when you put stuff out!
there's no point in a Mars colony
what would we do there
why?
if we're just looking for more places to stash people there are plenty of uninhabited desserts and tundras on the planet that are far more habitable than Mars
living in a floating city on the ocean would be an easier project
fuck up once and you break your thumb / if you're happy at all then you're god damn dumb
that's right we're on a fucked up cruise / God is dead but at least we have booze
bad things happen, no one knows why / the sun burns out and everyone dies
Given that most Americans are drowning in student loan debt I can't imagine how space flight, which costs billions, would go wrong
why would anyone need debt to force people to do their bidding on mars
I mean like
getting control of people's money only seems like a powerful position to us here, because nobody can have control of the machine that makes the oxygen
i'm assuming that space flight is going to be expensive and that taking a loan for a 1 way ticket to a destination where survival depends on the holders of your debt who have demonstrated time and time again that they lack empathy, perspective, or anything resembling basic human decency is probably not going to end well
that's not a huge assumption
"Musk said that the safety doors were 'shaky and sad and ugly'"