Beto, Booker, Castro, or Inslee all would've been fine #3's. Of those remaining, I don't think I have a #3, just people I'll begrudgingly vote for in the general if it comes down to that.
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Ahh, okay, so that's what Jacobin is.
Every time I see it mentioned, I think to Revolutionary France, Robespierre, and the Great Terror of cutting off everyone's heads after getting rid of all the moderates.
Every time I see it mentioned, I think to Revolutionary France, Robespierre, and the Great Terror of cutting off everyone's heads after getting rid of all the moderates.
In particular, they would like to cut off the moderates' heads.
Self-righteousness is incompatible with coalition building.
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of those left, I'd probably put Klobuchar as my #3.
My biggest complaint with Sanders is that he's got a demonstrated record of being terrible at governance. He is an ineffectual leader with years of just old man yelling at cloud.
I see Sanders as too much like Trump in some ways, or perhaps more politely Like De Blasio. He loves the crowds and stumping, but he's got little interest in the actual work of building and governance. He'd prefer to just be a strongman.
It's also why it drives me insane that Warren is so widely rejected, as she's actually a policy wonk who understands governance and has interest in how a democracy actually works.
What do you think of his record and history getting amendments into legislation?
It exists but is marginally impactful for the number of years in office.
And Sanders/Trump/De Blasio is only a comment on being great at rallying people but ineffectual/disinterested in actual governance with a bint toward wanting to mandate rather than legislate, not an actual comment on policy.
He was well known on both sides of the isle for the number of amendments he got into law, which seems to me to be actual governance.
The claim is the most narrow way of defining legislation to try to give him a lead position in something. He's widely regarded as ineffectual with one of the lowest ratios of bills introduced to passed, and his amendments were mostly rollcall, i.e. things already broadly supported which didn't require much politicking to accomplish.
I'll vote for him if he gets the nom, don't get be wrong. But I think he'll be a largely ineffectual president as well because he simply lacks the interest and skill in getting things done.
He's actually exceeded the average for enacted legislation for someone not part of the majority party since 96. Before that he met the average.
This is actually a really bad metric. Want to know why?
Klobuchar has enacted 33 bills. Gilibrand 23. Warren only 7. So by your own metric Klobuchar is roughly 4x as good at being a politician as Warren.
Imagine a world where that statement holds water. That's a pretty bad world.
People hand wave Sanders accomplishments, yet it's pretty easy to find a lot of support for the work he did. He simply didn't push to have his name stamped on everything he touched.
If he was really as bad at politics as the current media would have you believe, they wouldn't have sent him as the person to work on something like this. Which was a huge thing at the time.
Hell you can look at something as recent as the war powers resolution from early 2019 to see how well the Senator runs. It passed the Senate before getting veto'd. Any other current presidential hopefuls gotten anything on the president's desk lately?
Edit: hell have a nice list with direct links to the .gov site with details
of those left, I'd probably put Klobuchar as my #3.
I don't really like her. The stuff about her being shitty to her staff is especially not good and I find the whole midwestern superiority complex schtick to be obnoxious.
My biggest complaint with Sanders is that he's got a demonstrated record of being terrible at governance. He is an ineffectual leader with years of just old man yelling at cloud.
I see Sanders as too much like Trump in some ways, or perhaps more politely Like De Blasio. He loves the crowds and stumping, but he's got little interest in the actual work of building and governance. He'd prefer to just be a strongman.
It's also why it drives me insane that Warren is so widely rejected, as she's actually a policy wonk who understands governance and has interest in how a democracy actually works.
What do you think of his record and history getting amendments into legislation?
As someone who doesn't live in Vermont I am deeply disinterested in how many VT state roads he got the fed to pay for.
My biggest complaint with Sanders is that he's got a demonstrated record of being terrible at governance. He is an ineffectual leader with years of just old man yelling at cloud.
I see Sanders as too much like Trump in some ways, or perhaps more politely Like De Blasio. He loves the crowds and stumping, but he's got little interest in the actual work of building and governance. He'd prefer to just be a strongman.
It's also why it drives me insane that Warren is so widely rejected, as she's actually a policy wonk who understands governance and has interest in how a democracy actually works.
What do you think of his record and history getting amendments into legislation?
As someone who doesn't live in Vermont I am deeply disinterested in how many VT state roads he got the fed to pay for.
He's gotten nothing substantive done.
Why do you assume his amendments are all just pork for back home?
Was the veterans bill linked above nothing substantive?
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Every time I see it mentioned, I think to Revolutionary France, Robespierre, and the Great Terror of cutting off everyone's heads after getting rid of all the moderates.
Yes. Now imagine the kind of people comfortable claiming that name for their political interest magazine.
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of those left, I'd probably put Klobuchar as my #3.
I don't really like her. The stuff about her being shitty to her staff is especially not good and I find the whole midwestern superiority complex schtick to be obnoxious.
oh totally agree with all of that.
But
between a younger Klobuchar and an older Biden... I erred on the side of younger.
When I was at work I saw a Twitter thread about Yougov polling that had 2000 people rank every candidate in preference order (you could also just stop listing people whenever you wanted) and then they ran what was basically an IRV style system on the results.
Top three ended up being Biden, Warren, and Sanders, in that order. At step three, 58% of those polled wanted either Warren or Sanders. As you might guess, not many Sanders voters preferred Biden to Warren. But so many Sanders voters were like "BERNIE OR NOBODY" that when they eliminated Sanders Biden won the head to head against Warren.
Progressives: never getting out of our own way.
(Now in the real world where Bernie, AOC, etc. would all endorse Warren if Bernie came up short of the delegates he needs I suspect it wouldn't be QUITE this bad)
The candidate with the most delegates will be the nominee. Anything else would actually be a legitimate case of rigging.
Edit Unless there's a major question of the popular vote
Yang is a man running for president and what in the goddamn hell a destruction legion what
This is bad.
"Regional equity": more wealth transfer towards rural areas.
Economic impact, urban blight, and power to overrule local governments: forget about environmental regulations, and more gentrification.
My biggest complaint with Sanders is that he's got a demonstrated record of being terrible at governance. He is an ineffectual leader with years of just old man yelling at cloud.
I see Sanders as too much like Trump in some ways, or perhaps more politely Like De Blasio. He loves the crowds and stumping, but he's got little interest in the actual work of building and governance. He'd prefer to just be a strongman.
It's also why it drives me insane that Warren is so widely rejected, as she's actually a policy wonk who understands governance and has interest in how a democracy actually works.
What do you think of his record and history getting amendments into legislation?
As someone who doesn't live in Vermont I am deeply disinterested in how many VT state roads he got the fed to pay for.
He's gotten nothing substantive done.
Yeah all those kids with autism getting to get treatment on Tricare sure don't matter. Glad to know how you feel about it.
Why do Yang’s proposals sound like something Lex Luther would say while drunk?
If Warren’s downward trend continues—which I sadly expect for a host of reasons—I really hope she lasts longer than Buttigieg. If she can keep all of his support from going to Biden, it increases Sanders’ chances in a head to head.
My opinion of the primary has become “anyone but Biden or Buttigieg,” and “any sentient entity but Trump.”
Yang that already exists and is called the Army Corps of Engineers. They just can't do at will eminent domain and shouldn't. Far too easily misused or abused.
Yang that already exists and is called the Army Corps of Engineers. They just can't do at will eminent domain and shouldn't. Far too easily misused or abused.
The fact that he thinks it's totally fine of them to just do whatever, regardless of local regulations or whatever is... Whew.
That department might actually be decent for six months. Then it'd slowly fill with people who are terrible and they'd start bulldozing inner city community centers or something.
Yang that already exists and is called the Army Corps of Engineers. They just can't do at will eminent domain and shouldn't. Far too easily misused or abused.
The fact that he thinks it's totally fine of them to just do whatever, regardless of local regulations or whatever is... Whew.
That department might actually be decent for six months. Then it'd slowly fill with people who are terrible and they'd start bulldozing inner city community centers or something.
A massive WPA public works type deal would be great. And it'd probably involve a good amount of eminent domain.
But that needs to be handled at a higher level than some colonel who quite possibly has no idea or care why certain laws are in place.
Yang that already exists and is called the Army Corps of Engineers. They just can't do at will eminent domain and shouldn't. Far too easily misused or abused.
The fact that he thinks it's totally fine of them to just do whatever, regardless of local regulations or whatever is... Whew.
That department might actually be decent for six months. Then it'd slowly fill with people who are terrible and they'd start bulldozing inner city community centers or something.
A massive WPA public works type deal would be great. And it's probably involve a good amount of eminent domain.
But that needs to be handled at a higher level than some colonel who quite possibly has no idea or care why certain laws are in place.
Yang that already exists and is called the Army Corps of Engineers. They just can't do at will eminent domain and shouldn't. Far too easily misused or abused.
The fact that he thinks it's totally fine of them to just do whatever, regardless of local regulations or whatever is... Whew.
That department might actually be decent for six months. Then it'd slowly fill with people who are terrible and they'd start bulldozing inner city community centers or something.
Can we keep it for that six months though? There's some properties in Bedminster NJ, Palm Beach FL, and 5th Avenue NY, that I'd like to see razed to the ground and turned into low cost accomodations for refugees, just to name three.
Ignoring the model talk, 538 posted a pretty nice history of surprises at the Iowa caucus.
I ran retroactive versions of our polling averages for all Iowa caucuses dating back to 1988, excluding the 1992 Democratic nomination, where the other candidates essentially ceded the caucuses to Iowa U.S. Senator Tom Harkin. (Before 1988, polling of the caucuses was fairly sparse, so we can’t really calculate a polling average in the same way that we do today — although there were a number of upsets, like George H.W. Bush coming from way behind to beat Ronald Reagan there in 1980.) I’ll compare what the polls looked like after allocating undecided voters2 as of 12:01 a.m. four days before the caucuses — so as of just after midnight on Thursday in years where the caucuses were held on a Monday, for example — against the actual caucus results.3
You can find all of this data in a table at the end of this article. But just to show how frequent surprises are — really, it’s a surprise when there isn’t a surprise or two! — let me briefly run through each race in reverse chronological order.
I'm going to talk about this in the context of the primary even though it's directly about impeachment. If you want to talk about impeachment go talk about it over there.
"At a time when large majorities of Americans have lost faith in government, does the fact that the Chief Justice is presiding over an impeachment trial in which Republican Senators have thus far refused to allow witnesses or evidence contribute to the loss of legitimacy of the Chief Justice, the Supreme Court, and the Constitution."
What this question reinforces for me is that Warren understands the Republican Party better than anybody else running, which is another reason she would make the most effective president.
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I guess....Yang? Is third?
Just fucking drink it in
I'd rather Delaney than Pete.
Oh I'll be drinking something in alright
Every time I see it mentioned, I think to Revolutionary France, Robespierre, and the Great Terror of cutting off everyone's heads after getting rid of all the moderates.
In particular, they would like to cut off the moderates' heads.
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He's actually exceeded the average for enacted legislation for someone not part of the majority party since 96. Before that he met the average.
This is actually a really bad metric. Want to know why?
Klobuchar has enacted 33 bills. Gilibrand 23. Warren only 7. So by your own metric Klobuchar is roughly 4x as good at being a politician as Warren.
Imagine a world where that statement holds water. That's a pretty bad world.
People hand wave Sanders accomplishments, yet it's pretty easy to find a lot of support for the work he did. He simply didn't push to have his name stamped on everything he touched.
https://www.brookings.edu/research/profiles-in-negotiation-the-veterans-deal-of-2014/
If he was really as bad at politics as the current media would have you believe, they wouldn't have sent him as the person to work on something like this. Which was a huge thing at the time.
Hell you can look at something as recent as the war powers resolution from early 2019 to see how well the Senator runs. It passed the Senate before getting veto'd. Any other current presidential hopefuls gotten anything on the president's desk lately?
Edit: hell have a nice list with direct links to the .gov site with details
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/2/12/1483928/-What-has-Bernie-ever-accomplished
I don't really like her. The stuff about her being shitty to her staff is especially not good and I find the whole midwestern superiority complex schtick to be obnoxious.
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Yang is a man running for president and what in the goddamn hell a destruction legion what
As someone who doesn't live in Vermont I am deeply disinterested in how many VT state roads he got the fed to pay for.
He's gotten nothing substantive done.
Why do you assume his amendments are all just pork for back home?
Was the veterans bill linked above nothing substantive?
Yes. Now imagine the kind of people comfortable claiming that name for their political interest magazine.
oh totally agree with all of that.
But
between a younger Klobuchar and an older Biden... I erred on the side of younger.
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The candidate with the most delegates will be the nominee. Anything else would actually be a legitimate case of rigging.
Edit Unless there's a major question of the popular vote
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This is bad.
"Regional equity": more wealth transfer towards rural areas.
Economic impact, urban blight, and power to overrule local governments: forget about environmental regulations, and more gentrification.
Also, the name is stupid.
Yeah all those kids with autism getting to get treatment on Tricare sure don't matter. Glad to know how you feel about it.
A Legion of Builders and Destroyers whose Commander is apparently empowered with at will imminent domain?
No surely that won’t go wrong fast
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Yang 's policy proposals are bad and also he would be bad at being President
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If Warren’s downward trend continues—which I sadly expect for a host of reasons—I really hope she lasts longer than Buttigieg. If she can keep all of his support from going to Biden, it increases Sanders’ chances in a head to head.
My opinion of the primary has become “anyone but Biden or Buttigieg,” and “any sentient entity but Trump.”
Because he has exactly one issue that he didn’t think through enough and everything else is just him doing political standup
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Yeah, at least Steyer seems to mean well. Even if his money would have been better spent doing pretty much anything else.
The fact that he thinks it's totally fine of them to just do whatever, regardless of local regulations or whatever is... Whew.
That department might actually be decent for six months. Then it'd slowly fill with people who are terrible and they'd start bulldozing inner city community centers or something.
Yeah yang seems like someone trying to "disrupt" politics with about as much intelligence and long term thinking as "pets.com"
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It’s like Kushner’s plan to turn Palestine into a resort
Well I don't think that low of Yang, but similar level of ability.
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A massive WPA public works type deal would be great. And it'd probably involve a good amount of eminent domain.
But that needs to be handled at a higher level than some colonel who quite possibly has no idea or care why certain laws are in place.
Big Chairman Yang from Alpha Centauri energy tbh
but the efficiency, think of the efficiency!
Can we keep it for that six months though? There's some properties in Bedminster NJ, Palm Beach FL, and 5th Avenue NY, that I'd like to see razed to the ground and turned into low cost accomodations for refugees, just to name three.
EDIT: Incorrectly said Bedford.
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-iowa-caucuses-are-in-4-days-almost-anything-could-still-happen/
What this question reinforces for me is that Warren understands the Republican Party better than anybody else running, which is another reason she would make the most effective president.
Postal Workers Union has endorsed Sanders.