Munkus BeaverYou don't have to attend every argument you are invited to.Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPAregular
Whereas I found just about everything he did with those characters bad, so... I don't think we're going to come to agreement here.
Subjective opinions will always vary, and yours is by no means any less valid than mine, but I think the success of his runs, and the disastrous failure of the runs that preceded them in most cases, speaks for itself.
Johns turning GL from a third tier franchise to the tentpole of the line is genuinely impressive and something he deserves credit for
I think the majority of his GL run isn't very good, but it is a genuine achievement
The rest of the things you mentioned
Less so
Flash wasn't floundering before Johns, it was in a bit of a lull but Waid had his lengthy, loved run on the title not too long before Johns as well as the short Millar/Morrison run
The JSA did well but he didn't rebuild them into a huge dynamo, just made their book a consistent seller
And while he did really try to push Aquaman and got the character a spotlight, the work that came after (especially Abnett's run) is so much better it is hard to praise it beyond a "well, he sure did push Aquaman" level
This is also ignoring the other revamps he did like with Teen Titans which put the book into a shock based violent era that it still hasn't pulled out from and the complete mess that was the New 52 Justice League.
Waid's run on the Flash was an undeniably successful one, but he also despised the classic Flash Rogues, considering them to be goofy relics of a bygone era. He tried to replace them with an Amazo-like character named Replicant so DC could get rid of them. It's only because Johns believed in those characters that they returned to the upper echelons of DC's villain roster. I guess if you don't care about the Rogues, that won't seem like much of an achievement, but I quite like them, so I consider it one of the most impressive things he's ever done.
I agree that the level of violence in his Teen Titans run was excessive. Indeed, his proclivity for shock value deaths is one of his worst traits in general. But Teen Titans had been a diminishing seller for decades, with editorial beginning to lose faith that it would ever be a mainstream property again. Much like with Green Lantern, there wouldn't be a Teen Titans book today if Johns hadn't pulled it out of the grave. I'll also take this opportunity to remind everyone that Johns offered up Kon-El, a character he dearly loved, as a sacrifice to stop Didio from killing Dick Grayson.
Rebirth lasted those 4 years and many of its best titles/stories came after that initial launch and had zero involvement from Johns
Johns absolutely started Rebirth and was heavily involved with the beginning but the narrative you're pushing where he had his influence taken from him makes no sense
Dude was given his own comics imprint, put in charge of a direct sequel to Watchmen that also was originally billed to be the spine of the entire DCU and also Three Jokers.
I do not like Didio, but Johns clearly was still extremely well liked by the company as a whole and chose to step back and do other projects (along with his increased interest in the film and TV aspects of his position) and the idea that Johns selflessly put his entire career on the line for Rebirth and then had it stolen out from under him both doesn't line up with what actually happened and also reeks of gossip/bias
I didn't want to believe in the Johns/Didio feud either. I assumed it was just comic pros being overly dramatic, as is usually the case. But after 5G was confirmed to be real, I couldn't deny the story anymore.
Geoff Johns is still well liked, but Didio was the mastermind behind The New 52, which did set sales records, however briefly. If you're an executive who's just looking at the raw numbers, I can see how it would make sense to pull the plug on John's vision and hand the reigns back to Didio.
Johns broke Impulse. He also brought back Barry, which led to DC continuing to break Wally.
For as good as his Flash run was, those two pretty much negate it in my eyes.
Someone was going to bring back Barry. Editorial wanted it. Johns volunteered in part because he had a plan that could bring back Barry without getting rid of the other speedsters. He wanted each of them to have their own niche, just as he wanted each of the Green Lanterns to still have something to do after he brought Hal back.
The New 52 ended up taking the property out of his hands, but even now, he's still one of their biggest advocates. He brought Wally back and is trying to bring Jay back too, despite pushback from Didio on both of them.
Man, that was a story that didn't go far. And the event that it acted as a prelude for actually gave us the image of Ultraman snorting Kryptonite like cocaine.
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Scarecrow takes the cowl off and Joker gets pissed "Don't you think that would have been the first thing I did if I wanted to do it? The secrete identity is part of our whole THING and now I know hes just a rich kid with parental issues!"
And Batman just says "Well thats a little reductive"
The mid-season finale set up some really interesting points to explore in the second half of season 1, many of which have roots in the comics.
Gotham has been destroyed, much like the No Man's Land event from 1999. Just as in that story, we could see the city being divided up into fiefdoms by whatever villains survived the Joker's attack on the Hall of Doom.
Batman fell into the depths of Ace Chemicals. Some are speculating that he'll end up being Jokerized from this, setting up The Batman Who Laughs as a major antagonist in the second half of the season.
But the final reveal is the exact reverse of that. The Joker accidentally cured himself, and is now just an ordinary person again! We saw his hand change from chalk white to a caucasian tone, and Alan Tudyk switched from his high pitched, crazy Ludo voice to a deeper, more conventionally masculine voice mid-laugh. There was a story in the comics that explored this idea as well, called Going Sane. It'll be interesting to see the cartoon's take on it.
The mid-season finale set up some really interesting points to explore in the second half of season 1, many of which have roots in the comics.
Gotham has been destroyed, much like the No Man's Land event from 1999. Just as in that story, we could see the city being divided up into fiefdoms by whatever villains survived the Joker's attack on the Hall of Doom.
Batman fell into the depths of Ace Chemicals. Some are speculating that he'll end up being Jokerized from this, setting up The Batman Who Laughs as a major antagonist in the second half of the season.
But the final reveal is the exact reverse of that. The Joker accidentally cured himself, and is now just an ordinary person again! We saw his hand change from chalk white to a caucasian tone, and Alan Tudyk switched from his high pitched, crazy Ludo voice to a deeper, more conventionally masculine voice mid-laugh. There was a story in the comics that explored this idea as well, called Going Sane. It'll be interesting to see the cartoon's take on it.
Bleeding Cool has rounded up all their 5G reporting as well as new insights from Didio's firing and compiled a big HERE'S WHAT WE KNOW
As always, BC shit should be treated like rumors and potential nonsense, but with DC Specifically they have had consistent accurate reports for over a year now.
The short version:
5G, now Generation 5, is a publishing effort to revamp the main DCU with new, younger characters taking over the big mainstay mantles of the DCU. Examples included Luke Fox as Batman and Jon Kent as Superman.
This is still happening, and is being very supported by AT&T as they view it as a way to refresh the old characters and revitalize DC as a brand outside of a bunch of white folks everyone has seen before, potentially in media outside of comics.
Gen 5 has been in chaos, but not because of the premise but because Dan Didio had taken his infamous micromanagement tendencies (which have been pretty thoroughly talked about by creators during 52 and the New 52) and was bogging down the whole process and making it difficult for the creators.
Specifically, the many new writers that are not primarily known for comics, as one of the goals of Gen 5 is to draw from outside the Comics Writer bubble and bring in talent from other industries. Names include John Ridley (who BC reports will be writing Batman), Kevin Schinick, Geoffrey Thorne and Meghan Fitzmartin.
The current plan is to have multiple instances of the DCU co-existing, with the Classic Characters still being published in limited Black Label-esque (in structure, not tone) formats with the Gen 5 characters making up the bulk of monthly DC books.
Reportedly, with Didio out, AT&T and the various creators already working on Gen 5 are much happier and the current outlook is that it will be supported for some time and not just a short blip.
Anyone have a guess who could be filling the rest of the boots? Kinda pointless to pick for the Green Lantern role since they have such a wide pool and the role of 'Earth's Lantern' tends to be pretty fluid anyway. For the Flash, we got N52 Wally and Bart. Mind you, Bart's busy on Young Justice and they've done the Flash thing with him which didn't end so well. On the other hand, thanks to Flash Forward...
...Iris and Jai are back in the DCU and Iris even brought her Impulse suit with her.
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If you say it that way, then the Academy has awarded every live action movie version of the Joker an Oscar except for Jack Nicholson's.
it is very hard to do joker makeup
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Waid's run on the Flash was an undeniably successful one, but he also despised the classic Flash Rogues, considering them to be goofy relics of a bygone era. He tried to replace them with an Amazo-like character named Replicant so DC could get rid of them. It's only because Johns believed in those characters that they returned to the upper echelons of DC's villain roster. I guess if you don't care about the Rogues, that won't seem like much of an achievement, but I quite like them, so I consider it one of the most impressive things he's ever done.
I agree that the level of violence in his Teen Titans run was excessive. Indeed, his proclivity for shock value deaths is one of his worst traits in general. But Teen Titans had been a diminishing seller for decades, with editorial beginning to lose faith that it would ever be a mainstream property again. Much like with Green Lantern, there wouldn't be a Teen Titans book today if Johns hadn't pulled it out of the grave. I'll also take this opportunity to remind everyone that Johns offered up Kon-El, a character he dearly loved, as a sacrifice to stop Didio from killing Dick Grayson.
I didn't want to believe in the Johns/Didio feud either. I assumed it was just comic pros being overly dramatic, as is usually the case. But after 5G was confirmed to be real, I couldn't deny the story anymore.
Geoff Johns is still well liked, but Didio was the mastermind behind The New 52, which did set sales records, however briefly. If you're an executive who's just looking at the raw numbers, I can see how it would make sense to pull the plug on John's vision and hand the reigns back to Didio.
I wish.
I assume nothing
For as good as his Flash run was, those two pretty much negate it in my eyes.
Someone was going to bring back Barry. Editorial wanted it. Johns volunteered in part because he had a plan that could bring back Barry without getting rid of the other speedsters. He wanted each of them to have their own niche, just as he wanted each of the Green Lanterns to still have something to do after he brought Hal back.
The New 52 ended up taking the property out of his hands, but even now, he's still one of their biggest advocates. He brought Wally back and is trying to bring Jay back too, despite pushback from Didio on both of them.
I think that's a fun idea!
Let's Play Final Fantasy 'II' (Ch10 - 5/17/10)
The delivery on this is fuckin’ great.
We can agree that this would be good, yes?
I don't know what this means but I'm sure it's something
Well yeah.
I had no idea that Chip Zdarsky was actually famous sidekick Robin from the hit television show Teen Titans Go
Thank goodness it wasn't a Zorro movie or you'd have never made it out alive.
The Harley Quinn cartoon is pretty fun, there are worse ways to spend 390 minutes.
And Batman just says "Well thats a little reductive"
"I was just uh, finishing up Infinite Jest" *removes glasses* "Are you familiar?"
"Spine looks pretty intact"
"I uh I have a digital version too"
Batman fell into the depths of Ace Chemicals. Some are speculating that he'll end up being Jokerized from this, setting up The Batman Who Laughs as a major antagonist in the second half of the season.
But the final reveal is the exact reverse of that. The Joker accidentally cured himself, and is now just an ordinary person again! We saw his hand change from chalk white to a caucasian tone, and Alan Tudyk switched from his high pitched, crazy Ludo voice to a deeper, more conventionally masculine voice mid-laugh. There was a story in the comics that explored this idea as well, called Going Sane. It'll be interesting to see the cartoon's take on it.
As always, BC shit should be treated like rumors and potential nonsense, but with DC Specifically they have had consistent accurate reports for over a year now.
The short version:
5G, now Generation 5, is a publishing effort to revamp the main DCU with new, younger characters taking over the big mainstay mantles of the DCU. Examples included Luke Fox as Batman and Jon Kent as Superman.
This is still happening, and is being very supported by AT&T as they view it as a way to refresh the old characters and revitalize DC as a brand outside of a bunch of white folks everyone has seen before, potentially in media outside of comics.
Gen 5 has been in chaos, but not because of the premise but because Dan Didio had taken his infamous micromanagement tendencies (which have been pretty thoroughly talked about by creators during 52 and the New 52) and was bogging down the whole process and making it difficult for the creators.
Specifically, the many new writers that are not primarily known for comics, as one of the goals of Gen 5 is to draw from outside the Comics Writer bubble and bring in talent from other industries. Names include John Ridley (who BC reports will be writing Batman), Kevin Schinick, Geoffrey Thorne and Meghan Fitzmartin.
The current plan is to have multiple instances of the DCU co-existing, with the Classic Characters still being published in limited Black Label-esque (in structure, not tone) formats with the Gen 5 characters making up the bulk of monthly DC books.
Reportedly, with Didio out, AT&T and the various creators already working on Gen 5 are much happier and the current outlook is that it will be supported for some time and not just a short blip.
they named it 5g because cellphones
Let's Play Final Fantasy 'II' (Ch10 - 5/17/10)
In general the gen 5 pitch seems pretty neat but I’m conditioned to believe that no new takes on old characters can last.
Pluto was a planet and I'll never forget
If they stick with that it could give it a lot more staying power then your usual shake-ups
Well they cant be any worse than Warner so Im glad they're open to changing things up