Bagged milk is a thing in Ontario, though Farm Boy sells it in bottles. You have to pay a deposit and remember to bring em back for a refund, but I’m okay with that to reduce the envieonmental impact.
I was delighted to see milk in cartons in all the big grocery shops in Toronto, because bagged milk is baffling to me. Is it some sort of political thing at this point? It can’t be used in enough markets to scale.
Hum ? It's super cheap. The whole point is to save on packaging. Of course, if you don't need a lot of milk, it's not the best solution, but it's great for large quantities.
Yeah, I guess what I mean is, the amount that companies using bagged milk save on packaging, in local markets which use bagged milk, could be lost trying to get into other markets, which just want one type of packaging (typically cartons). As cartons have wider penetration than bags, at least outside Ontario AFAIK, you'd think big producers would just switch to using cartons and eat the cost of the packaging so they can get their milk into other places.
I mean, I don't like bagged milk because using it appears to be a fussy experience that involves scissors and a special jug and possibly a bag that goes around the bag you put in the jug, and then it goes off unless you have a weird bag clip or something and omigodcanijustunscrewthecartoncapalready. But that's me, and I bet if you're used to it, it's fine!
But from a business point of view, if nobody but you packs your product in one way, that means getting outside the local market is more challenging; you struggle to scale up production because you're, for example, bumping into packaging issues with suppliers (like "all our shelves are the same height to accommodate milk cartons, and we stack our pallets this way, which relies on the rigidity of plastic" etc.) So I wondered why they do it. I guess if it's cheaper, and you have local market dominance and no need to branch out, it doesn't really matter.
It's super common in Québec and Ontario. AKA the places where cows and milk drinkers are in Canada.
It's the vast majority of the market. Also, at least in Québec, the same producers make cartons and bags. They have different functions.
In your case, just get cartons. If you have to worry about a litre going bad, you are not drinking enough for bags.
The same companies that produce milk in bags also produce milk in cartons. Its not like one packaging type precludes other on the manufacturing/distribution side. Do they not have Sealtest or Beatrice or Lactantia in Central Canada or the West Coast?
I mean, we also have 2L cartons, 1L cartons, 500ml and 250ml cartons in Eastern Canada. Some places also still have 4L/Gallon jugs. A set of 4L bags of milk fits in one's fridge far easier than a 4L jug does. We're not exclusively bagged milk here in the East.
We need to get one of those snippers in my house. My f'n kids keep losing their craft scissors and keep taking the kitchen scissors to continue making a mess of my house. Last week I had to open a bag of milk with a fancy lobster eating tool my wife has that has a set of shears attached to the shell cracker.
Do you live in my house, same here and they craft scissors. They have like 5 pairs, always missing. We also can't keep tape around.
BC is at the wrong end of the country for anything dairy.
We need to get one of those snippers in my house. My f'n kids keep losing their craft scissors and keep taking the kitchen scissors to continue making a mess of my house. Last week I had to open a bag of milk with a fancy lobster eating tool my wife has that has a set of shears attached to the shell cracker.
Do you live in my house, same here and they craft scissors. They have like 5 pairs, always missing. We also can't keep tape around.
BC is at the wrong end of the country for anything dairy.
"Daddy, we couldn't find our scissors!"
"Well, did you look for them?"
"No. We just took the ones in the kitchen instead. We knew where those ones were."
"Grr. Fine. Where are they now?"
"I dunno. Ask Mommy."
Oh gawd, don't get me started on tape. My 6yo daughter LOVES the scotch tape dispenser. She even taught herself how to reload it from the bulk box of rolls I used to have. Ugh.
We need to get one of those snippers in my house. My f'n kids keep losing their craft scissors and keep taking the kitchen scissors to continue making a mess of my house. Last week I had to open a bag of milk with a fancy lobster eating tool my wife has that has a set of shears attached to the shell cracker.
Do you live in my house, same here and they craft scissors. They have like 5 pairs, always missing. We also can't keep tape around.
BC is at the wrong end of the country for anything dairy.
"Daddy, we couldn't find our scissors!"
"Well, did you look for them?"
"No. We just took the ones in the kitchen instead. We knew where those ones were."
"Grr. Fine. Where are they now?"
"I dunno. Ask Mommy."
Oh gawd, don't get me started on tape. My 6yo daughter LOVES the scotch tape dispenser. She even taught herself how to reload it from the bulk box of rolls I used to have. Ugh.
Seems like an easy problem to solve: attach the scissors to your daughter with rolls of tape.
We need to get one of those snippers in my house. My f'n kids keep losing their craft scissors and keep taking the kitchen scissors to continue making a mess of my house. Last week I had to open a bag of milk with a fancy lobster eating tool my wife has that has a set of shears attached to the shell cracker.
Do you live in my house, same here and they craft scissors. They have like 5 pairs, always missing. We also can't keep tape around.
BC is at the wrong end of the country for anything dairy.
"Daddy, we couldn't find our scissors!"
"Well, did you look for them?"
"No. We just took the ones in the kitchen instead. We knew where those ones were."
"Grr. Fine. Where are they now?"
"I dunno. Ask Mommy."
Oh gawd, don't get me started on tape. My 6yo daughter LOVES the scotch tape dispenser. She even taught herself how to reload it from the bulk box of rolls I used to have. Ugh.
Seems like an easy problem to solve: attach the scissors to your daughter with rolls of tape.
You'd think.... but then's she's going to run around with them attached to her and running with scissors is no-no in our house. So you know who's going to get in trouble? Me, that's who!
We need to get one of those snippers in my house. My f'n kids keep losing their craft scissors and keep taking the kitchen scissors to continue making a mess of my house. Last week I had to open a bag of milk with a fancy lobster eating tool my wife has that has a set of shears attached to the shell cracker.
Do you live in my house, same here and they craft scissors. They have like 5 pairs, always missing. We also can't keep tape around.
BC is at the wrong end of the country for anything dairy.
"Daddy, we couldn't find our scissors!"
"Well, did you look for them?"
"No. We just took the ones in the kitchen instead. We knew where those ones were."
"Grr. Fine. Where are they now?"
"I dunno. Ask Mommy."
Oh gawd, don't get me started on tape. My 6yo daughter LOVES the scotch tape dispenser. She even taught herself how to reload it from the bulk box of rolls I used to have. Ugh.
Seems like an easy problem to solve: attach the scissors to your daughter with rolls of tape.
You'd think.... but then's she's going to run around with them attached to her and running with scissors is no-no in our house. So you know who's going to get in trouble? Me, that's who!
How about you add more tape, sticky side out ?
Any problem can be solved with enough firetape. That's what "enough" means.
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I remember bagged milk being sold in Alberta when I was a kid. I don't remember when it stopped, but it was at the very latest the early 90s.
And what's this about the cows being in the east? Alberta says hi.
Yes, Alberta has dairy farms. A friend of my dad's used to have one and I remember visiting when the cows were being milked and was amazed at how much milk can be processed by just one dude.
I remember bagged milk being sold in Alberta when I was a kid. I don't remember when it stopped, but it was at the very latest the early 90s.
And what's this about the cows being in the east? Alberta says hi.
Yes, Alberta has dairy farms. A friend of my dad's used to have one and I remember visiting when the cows were being milked and was amazed at how much milk can be processed by just one dude.
Bagged milk is a thing in Ontario, though Farm Boy sells it in bottles. You have to pay a deposit and remember to bring em back for a refund, but I’m okay with that to reduce the envieonmental impact.
I was delighted to see milk in cartons in all the big grocery shops in Toronto, because bagged milk is baffling to me. Is it some sort of political thing at this point? It can’t be used in enough markets to scale.
Hum ? It's super cheap. The whole point is to save on packaging. Of course, if you don't need a lot of milk, it's not the best solution, but it's great for large quantities.
Yeah, I guess what I mean is, the amount that companies using bagged milk save on packaging, in local markets which use bagged milk, could be lost trying to get into other markets, which just want one type of packaging (typically cartons). As cartons have wider penetration than bags, at least outside Ontario AFAIK, you'd think big producers would just switch to using cartons and eat the cost of the packaging so they can get their milk into other places.
I mean, I don't like bagged milk because using it appears to be a fussy experience that involves scissors and a special jug and possibly a bag that goes around the bag you put in the jug, and then it goes off unless you have a weird bag clip or something and omigodcanijustunscrewthecartoncapalready. But that's me, and I bet if you're used to it, it's fine!
But from a business point of view, if nobody but you packs your product in one way, that means getting outside the local market is more challenging; you struggle to scale up production because you're, for example, bumping into packaging issues with suppliers (like "all our shelves are the same height to accommodate milk cartons, and we stack our pallets this way, which relies on the rigidity of plastic" etc.) So I wondered why they do it. I guess if it's cheaper, and you have local market dominance and no need to branch out, it doesn't really matter.
Yeah, Shoppers Drug Mart has it for about $4.29-$4.59 pretty regularly.
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Northern BC, Mackenzie to be specific had milk bags back in the mid 90s. I'm guessing they still do since it seems the pockets that do have them like them just fine.
It's absolutely region specific. Going from Victoria to Saint John, most stuff like condiments, frozen pizza, and such dropped like $2-$3 bucks or more. Milk here though is just shockingly expensive.
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Moved to BC, never saw a bag again. Thought they rightfully went the way of the dodo.
Moved to NB... and there are bags everywhere. We actually had trouble finding proper 4L jugs.
I just wish it wasn't so expensive. 7 bucks for 4L, flippin' hell.
Holy shit. 4L is like $3.50 at Costco in Vancouver
You can thank Quebec and their minimum milk price for that.
Quebec: the only place where dairy farmers don't want to kill themselves!
In most places, milk is a "loss leader", where the big supermarkets intentionally sell it below cost in order to draw in customers who'll then also buy other higher margin goods. I remember when I ran a restaurant it was always much cheaper to buy milk retail than wholesale.
“This incident occurred to a monument and the graffiti appeared to target an identifiable group,”
Const. Steve Elms, spokesman for Halton-Regional Police
They're only identifiable because of the swastikas, you absolute goose. JFC, this is who we trust the meting out of justice to.
Between you and me, Peggy, I smoked this Juul and it did UNTHINKABLE things to my mind and body...
In response to questions from this newspaper, Const. Steve Elms, spokesman for Halton-Regional Police, cited a section of the Criminal Code that noted those communicating statements in any public place inciting hatred against any identifiable group could face imprisonment not exceeding two years. “This incident occurred to a monument and the graffiti appeared to target an identifiable group,” he explained in an email to questions about how a hate crime could be perpetrated against members of the SS.
That's gotta be the dumbest interpretation of a law I've ever heard....why the hell do we even have a statue commemorated to this division who evidently was on the opposing side during WW2???
Look, even Bengalis venerate Subhas Bose, who is known for collaborating with the Japanese and meeting Hitler, but I doubt we would build a statue to him here.
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It seems like the issue of the monument itself is complicated, at best. Nonetheless, it seems like a wildly inappropriate use of hate crimes law to prosecute graffiti on memorials to Nazi allies, for being memorials to Nazi allies.
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It's super common in Québec and Ontario. AKA the places where cows and milk drinkers are in Canada.
It's the vast majority of the market. Also, at least in Québec, the same producers make cartons and bags. They have different functions.
In your case, just get cartons. If you have to worry about a litre going bad, you are not drinking enough for bags.
I mean, we also have 2L cartons, 1L cartons, 500ml and 250ml cartons in Eastern Canada. Some places also still have 4L/Gallon jugs. A set of 4L bags of milk fits in one's fridge far easier than a 4L jug does. We're not exclusively bagged milk here in the East.
Do you live in my house, same here and they craft scissors. They have like 5 pairs, always missing. We also can't keep tape around.
BC is at the wrong end of the country for anything dairy.
"Daddy, we couldn't find our scissors!"
"Well, did you look for them?"
"No. We just took the ones in the kitchen instead. We knew where those ones were."
"Grr. Fine. Where are they now?"
"I dunno. Ask Mommy."
Oh gawd, don't get me started on tape. My 6yo daughter LOVES the scotch tape dispenser. She even taught herself how to reload it from the bulk box of rolls I used to have. Ugh.
Seems like an easy problem to solve: attach the scissors to your daughter with rolls of tape.
You'd think.... but then's she's going to run around with them attached to her and running with scissors is no-no in our house. So you know who's going to get in trouble? Me, that's who!
How about you add more tape, sticky side out ?
Any problem can be solved with enough firetape. That's what "enough" means.
And what's this about the cows being in the east? Alberta says hi.
Yes, Alberta has dairy farms. A friend of my dad's used to have one and I remember visiting when the cows were being milked and was amazed at how much milk can be processed by just one dude.
Ontario and Québec are 70% of dairy production in Canada.
And Alberta beef is (somehow) world famous.
https://inevitably-johnlocked.tumblr.com/post/142008863325/why-do-canadians-have-milk-in-bags-how-is-that
1. It's cheaper.
2. you can freeze the milk bags you aren't using.
3. Snippers are easy to use and cheep.
Really, I'm just amazed more place don't have it.
Beef cattle and dairy cattle are different. Alberta's cattle are disproportionately beef cattle, though we do have some dairy cattle.
Also fyi you can freeze jugs of milk too.
Milk igloo
Moved to BC, never saw a bag again. Thought they rightfully went the way of the dodo.
Moved to NB... and there are bags everywhere. We actually had trouble finding proper 4L jugs.
I just wish it wasn't so expensive. 7 bucks for 4L, flippin' hell.
Holy shit. 4L is like $3.50 at Costco in Vancouver
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When things get too political someone mentions croissants or some such.
You can thank Quebec and their minimum milk price for that.
Quebec: the only place where dairy farmers don't want to kill themselves!
In most places, milk is a "loss leader", where the big supermarkets intentionally sell it below cost in order to draw in customers who'll then also buy other higher margin goods. I remember when I ran a restaurant it was always much cheaper to buy milk retail than wholesale.
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“This incident occurred to a monument and the graffiti appeared to target an identifiable group,”
Const. Steve Elms, spokesman for Halton-Regional Police
They're only identifiable because of the swastikas, you absolute goose. JFC, this is who we trust the meting out of justice to.
OMG, from the article:
WHICH IDENTIFIABLE GROUP, NUMBNUTS?
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Also like I said in the previous thread: probably best not to advertise this with a 12 foot tall monument.
But I'm also pretty comfortable saying we probably shouldn't celebrate fighting with the nazis, even if it was against the soviets.
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