Best of the potential picks is Warren -> Harris -> Abrams, tbh.
Big, big concern with a Warren VP slot is her age. The last thing that Biden needs is a VP that is also over the 70 line. I don't think that Warren makes the cut for that, sorry.
From everything I read, it's a few different things. Basically Biden's camp is keenly aware that the Trump Campaign is going to paint voting for Biden as voting for his VP given his age. Her age is another concern. Also Biden apparently is looking for someone like he was to Obama, basically a trusted friend there to help and not someone only interested in the job as a stepping stone for future political gain.
That's why you have folks like Rice coming up since she's a close friend to Biden.
Harris has some problematic stuff in her past around trans rights. I've also heard... unsubstantiated stuff, that I will not repeat here, from friends in SF government positions,(nothing salacious), that make me wary of her.
But if your plan is to start prosecuting folks for what they did under the Trump admin, you want her. So if they pick Harris, I am personally taking that as a sign they are going to go after people.
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Harris has some problematic stuff in her past around trans rights. I've also heard... unsubstantiated stuff, that I will not repeat here, from friends in SF government positions,(nothing salacious), that make me wary of her.
But if your plan is to start prosecuting folks for what they did under the Trump admin, you want her. So if they pick Harris, I am personally taking that as a sign they are going to go after people.
Is it common for the VP to be involved in an investigation? Is it ... a good idea for your 2IC to be in charge of investigating your predecessors?
Yeah that will be up to AG. Harris is the most likely pick because she's the most prominent black woman in the party who wants the job (she's not Michelle Obama, in other words). And the party knows that black women are the most loyal group to the party and would like to reward that. Anything else is largely overthinking it.
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Harris has some problematic stuff in her past around trans rights. I've also heard... unsubstantiated stuff, that I will not repeat here, from friends in SF government positions,(nothing salacious), that make me wary of her.
But if your plan is to start prosecuting folks for what they did under the Trump admin, you want her. So if they pick Harris, I am personally taking that as a sign they are going to go after people.
Is it common for the VP to be involved in an investigation? Is it ... a good idea for your 2IC to be in charge of investigating your predecessors?
She won't be involved specifically (that will be the AG), but she will be the administration mouthpiece on it.
It's also common practice for the job of the veep to be the attack dog who says the things the president(ial candidate) wants a little distance from. So I could imagine Biden being slightly above the fray while Harris goes all wrath of god on Trump and his flunkies.
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I get my information on US politics from The West Wing, but I remember the VP in that saying "Last time I checked, my only constitutional obligation was to have a pulse."
So I think there's a lot of leeway on exactly what the VP does.
A question I'd ask is what things is a VP specifically not allowed to do (and then find out that Pence has done at least two of them).
Aside from the decisive Senate vote, probably the most important "powers" a VP has are the soft ones, yeah--their share of the bully pulpit, presumed leadership role in their party after the current president finishes their term(s). Don't discount those, though, they do matter.
From the perspective of the whole "selecting the future leader of the Democratic party" thing, I like Harris a lot. I would prefer Warren if not for her age, and if I didn't think this was such an important moment for black representation in the highest levels of government. But those being the case, Harris would certainly be my favored selection. She's relatively young, her positions are progressive, she goes after the GOP aggressively (super important to me), and she's good on camera, so I think she should play well with the kind of shallow low-information voters who swing elections.
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Let Harris (and Biden) be the faces on camera, and let Warren be the magnificent policy wonk with a plan for everything who stays out of the spotlight because too many people in this country can't stand being confronted with someone who's actually smart because it reminds them how stupid and ignorant they are.
... I may have some lingering issues from the primary. Or the Obama administration, take your pick.
(Yes you DO want someone exceptional for these jobs, someone (far) better than average, because these are HARD (and important!) JOBS. I'm sure as hell not qualified, and that's if I wanted the responsibility, which I absolutely fucking do not. We've seen what happens when you fill those positions with people who are exactly as dumb and incompetent as their base, just luckier and better connected, and it's been a disaster from top to bottom. These are jobs for which you want the best people you can find, in your country if not the entire planet.)
I've had it with cronies and donors, fuckups and failsons. Bring on the "elites". We're gonna need them to get us out of this mess.
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Let Harris (and Biden) be the faces on camera, and let Warren be the magnificent policy wonk with a plan for everything who stays out of the spotlight because too many people in this country can't stand being confronted with someone who's actually smart because it reminds them how stupid and ignorant they are.
... I may have some lingering issues from the primary. Or the Obama administration, take your pick.
(Yes you DO want someone exceptional for these jobs, someone (far) better than average, because these are HARD (and important!) JOBS. I'm sure as hell not qualified, and that's if I wanted the responsibility, which I absolutely fucking do not. We've seen what happens when you fill those positions with people who are exactly as dumb and incompetent as their base, just luckier and better connected, and it's been a disaster from top to bottom. These are jobs for which you want the best people you can find, in your country if not the entire planet.)
I've had it with cronies and donors, fuckups and failsons. Bring on the "elites". We're gonna need them to get us out of this mess.
I will take someone who isn’t a monster trying to inflict maximum pain.
I am so tired of this get, just announce the goddamn VP pick so we can get back to campaigning.
It’s important to do the oppositional research and vet the VP candidate. This takes time.
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Obama didn’t pick Biden until August 22, but he also wasn't the presumptive nominee until June
Biden has been the defacto nominee since March, plus this has been the longest 4.5 months in recent history so it feels like it’s taking longer than usual.
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Obama didn’t pick Biden until August 22, but he also wasn't the presumptive nominee until June
Biden has been the defacto nominee since March, plus this has been the longest 4.5 months in recent history so it feels like it’s taking longer than usual.
Obama didn’t pick Biden until August 22, but he also wasn't the presumptive nominee until June
Biden has been the defacto nominee since March, plus this has been the longest 4.5 months in recent history so it feels like it’s taking longer than usual.
His VP pick is going to get blasted, no question, even more than a regular VP pick given Biden's age, so delaying it as long as possible makes sense.
VP announcement is a way to dominate a news cycle. That's pretty hard right now anyway, and all Trump needs to do is make a stupid tweet to steal it back, but timing the announcement is still a very calculated process. As is making sure it is the right choice. I'm fine waiting another week.
Yeah that will be up to AG. Harris is the most likely pick because she's the most prominent black woman in the party who wants the job (she's not Michelle Obama, in other words). And the party knows that black women are the most loyal group to the party and would like to reward that. Anything else is largely overthinking it.
Also, she's 55. The coming decade is going to see a lot of turnover in leadership just by the actuarial tables.
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Obama didn’t pick Biden until August 22, but he also wasn't the presumptive nominee until June
Biden has been the defacto nominee since March, plus this has been the longest 4.5 months in recent history so it feels like it’s taking longer than usual.
I was more in questioning of what happened in the Super Tuesday Capitulation
As there was obviously something that went down behind the scenes with various people saying for the people to vote for Biden because
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‘He just needs to win 60 percent of the next 100 days’
Trump occasionally spends a few days staying generally on script, by his standards. But the president's traditional behavior always comes back.
“If once in a while he goes off on a tweet storm about Dr. Fauci, OK,” said a person close to the White House, referencing the president’s occasional attempts — including on Tuesday night — to discredit Anthony Fauci, one of the government’s most respected voices on the coronavirus. “He just needs to have more days like we saw in the last week and a half than not. He doesn’t need perfection, he just needs to win 60 percent of the next 100 days.”
To Trump’s backers, though, these outbursts are only damaging if they’re coming every single day.
“For two straight months he was almost daily going off script,” said the person close to the White House. “No one is saying he has to be someone that he’s not. It just means he can’t be generating daily negative headlines like last few months.”
The sad bigotry of low expectations there.
"Does he sometimes shit himself and then throw that shit at other people? Yes. But what is important is he has good days!"
I appreciate the sad, desperate optimism that the next 100 day will be better than the last 100.
Also, what does "win the day" mean in this context? That he doesn't generate a new negative headline, or the press stops talking about the three historic crises for day? The former is possible, if they take his phone. The latter is not.
Biden has also mentioned previously he's looking for his own Biden. Obama and Biden famously got along really well and worked together well from anything I've ever heard. Biden has previously stated his desire to have that same kind of relationship with his VP. I would not be shocked if there's a bunch of discussion around weighting people Biden likes vs people with good electoral and political qualification right now that are also complicating the process.
I'll bet something that would help Harris energize the black vote, aside from being a black woman herself, is that she's a strong, aggressive, ambitious woman and is getting attacked for it by old white men on both sides of the aisle now. That seems like a pretty good way to consolidate a lot of the folks that won Biden the primary behind his VP pick. I mean, they are going to vote for him no matter who the VP is, but you might increase that turnout and margin if they are more excited about and united behind his decision. And when she starts shooting that fire at Trump and all his corruption and stupidity we're all going to be happy.
Susan Rice I like just fine, but it seems to me like she'd be a better pick for Sec State given her lack of political experience.
DC brain is terminal. You're losing because 150k and counting people are dead and a quarter of the country is out of work. It's not because you're losing fucking news cycles.
Self-righteousness is incompatible with coalition building.
DC brain is terminal. You're losing because 150k and counting people are dead and a quarter of the country is out of work. It's not because you're losing fucking news cycles.
I don't know, it may be fair to argue that they're losing news cycles because 150K dead and counting and a quarter are out of work. But that if they can find a way to win news cycles anyway they could still win the election. I kinda shudder to think how that's done, mind. But if they find a way, yeah I think they win.
Best of the potential picks is Warren -> Harris -> Abrams, tbh.
Big, big concern with a Warren VP slot is her age. The last thing that Biden needs is a VP that is also over the 70 line. I don't think that Warren makes the cut for that, sorry.
I honestly, truly do not get this line, aside from my general desire to have the Boomers pass the goddamn torch already.
Yes, Warren is older than someone like Harris or Abrams. But unless she and Biden die on, like, the same day, it really doesn’t matter. If Biden goes, she’ll become president and get to nominate her VP. If she goes, Biden will get to nominate her replacement. If they both, like, spontaneously combust, the Speaker becomes president and gets to nominate a VP. And I don’t see losing the House as even a remote possibility at this point.
The consideration here is not “will this person survive the term”, it’s “will they be good at their job”. There’s a lot of data that shows Warren is the best choice for exciting younger voters. By default, that makes her a good pick for the job. Obviously I like her in the Senate but if picking her for VP excites the electorate to the point that she gets a liberal replacement, I won’t be too concerned.
We have contingency plans in place for when someone in office dies. Trump got elected despite being as healthy and likely to live through his term as a chain-smoking, habitually road crossing armadillo. It just doesn’t matter to voters that aren’t super plugged in like us.
The idea is we need someone who we can reasonably expect to continue public service for the next 8 to 16 years.
Warren would be an ideal President, but she’s wasted as VP. Whomever they pick has to be expected to be young enough to run for President after Biden is out of office, wether he does four or eight years. Then that VP needs to still be able to do an additional four to eight years for their own term.
I just can’t see Warren or anyone in that age range to seriously still be in politics when they’re damn near a nonagenarian.
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Why? Why is just having another primary bad? This makes no sense.
Who said not to have a primary? Or that it was bad to?
The assumption people are making is that the VP who succeeds an old/deceased Biden will become the standard bearer for the party and will need to run for re-election for two more terms.
Why? Why is just having another primary bad? This makes no sense.
It's not that there won't be a primary.
It's that the VP is the absolute frontrunner. And it comes with the implied, if not explicit endorsement of the President. If Biden had chosen to run in 2016, he'd have had Obama's support.
So, whoever Biden picks, should be a shoe-in for the nomination, unless they're so completely unsuitable for the position that they don't run, in which case that'd reflect poorly on the President for picking them in the first place.
So, whoever Biden picks, short of catastrophe, will be the next person to run for President.
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She does, yes.
She also had a fairly progressive platform in the primary. A step behind Sanders/Warren, but still something I'd have been happy with.
From everything I read, it's a few different things. Basically Biden's camp is keenly aware that the Trump Campaign is going to paint voting for Biden as voting for his VP given his age. Her age is another concern. Also Biden apparently is looking for someone like he was to Obama, basically a trusted friend there to help and not someone only interested in the job as a stepping stone for future political gain.
That's why you have folks like Rice coming up since she's a close friend to Biden.
But if your plan is to start prosecuting folks for what they did under the Trump admin, you want her. So if they pick Harris, I am personally taking that as a sign they are going to go after people.
The harder the rain, honey, the sweeter the sun.
Is it common for the VP to be involved in an investigation? Is it ... a good idea for your 2IC to be in charge of investigating your predecessors?
She won't be involved specifically (that will be the AG), but she will be the administration mouthpiece on it.
So I think there's a lot of leeway on exactly what the VP does.
A question I'd ask is what things is a VP specifically not allowed to do (and then find out that Pence has done at least two of them).
From the perspective of the whole "selecting the future leader of the Democratic party" thing, I like Harris a lot. I would prefer Warren if not for her age, and if I didn't think this was such an important moment for black representation in the highest levels of government. But those being the case, Harris would certainly be my favored selection. She's relatively young, her positions are progressive, she goes after the GOP aggressively (super important to me), and she's good on camera, so I think she should play well with the kind of shallow low-information voters who swing elections.
Let Harris (and Biden) be the faces on camera, and let Warren be the magnificent policy wonk with a plan for everything who stays out of the spotlight because too many people in this country can't stand being confronted with someone who's actually smart because it reminds them how stupid and ignorant they are.
... I may have some lingering issues from the primary. Or the Obama administration, take your pick.
(Yes you DO want someone exceptional for these jobs, someone (far) better than average, because these are HARD (and important!) JOBS. I'm sure as hell not qualified, and that's if I wanted the responsibility, which I absolutely fucking do not. We've seen what happens when you fill those positions with people who are exactly as dumb and incompetent as their base, just luckier and better connected, and it's been a disaster from top to bottom. These are jobs for which you want the best people you can find, in your country if not the entire planet.)
I've had it with cronies and donors, fuckups and failsons. Bring on the "elites". We're gonna need them to get us out of this mess.
Biden has been the defacto nominee since March, plus this has been the longest 4.5 months in recent history so it feels like it’s taking longer than usual.
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His VP pick is going to get blasted, no question, even more than a regular VP pick given Biden's age, so delaying it as long as possible makes sense.
Also, she's 55. The coming decade is going to see a lot of turnover in leadership just by the actuarial tables.
I was more in questioning of what happened in the Super Tuesday Capitulation
As there was obviously something that went down behind the scenes with various people saying for the people to vote for Biden because
It depends. She obviously didn’t get much traction in the primary.
This article from June suggests she’s a top 2 choice, but it says the polling was done in May. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/biden-vp-black-democrats-are-torn-between-harris-warren-n1232312
I am not aware of recent polling on the question of who black voters want for VP.
Anecdotally there is a strong feeling among active Democrats that the VP needs to be a black woman.
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https://www.politico.com/news/2020/07/28/trump-new-tone-385709 The sad bigotry of low expectations there.
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Also, what does "win the day" mean in this context? That he doesn't generate a new negative headline, or the press stops talking about the three historic crises for day? The former is possible, if they take his phone. The latter is not.
Susan Rice I like just fine, but it seems to me like she'd be a better pick for Sec State given her lack of political experience.
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I don't know, it may be fair to argue that they're losing news cycles because 150K dead and counting and a quarter are out of work. But that if they can find a way to win news cycles anyway they could still win the election. I kinda shudder to think how that's done, mind. But if they find a way, yeah I think they win.
I honestly, truly do not get this line, aside from my general desire to have the Boomers pass the goddamn torch already.
Yes, Warren is older than someone like Harris or Abrams. But unless she and Biden die on, like, the same day, it really doesn’t matter. If Biden goes, she’ll become president and get to nominate her VP. If she goes, Biden will get to nominate her replacement. If they both, like, spontaneously combust, the Speaker becomes president and gets to nominate a VP. And I don’t see losing the House as even a remote possibility at this point.
The consideration here is not “will this person survive the term”, it’s “will they be good at their job”. There’s a lot of data that shows Warren is the best choice for exciting younger voters. By default, that makes her a good pick for the job. Obviously I like her in the Senate but if picking her for VP excites the electorate to the point that she gets a liberal replacement, I won’t be too concerned.
We have contingency plans in place for when someone in office dies. Trump got elected despite being as healthy and likely to live through his term as a chain-smoking, habitually road crossing armadillo. It just doesn’t matter to voters that aren’t super plugged in like us.
Warren would be an ideal President, but she’s wasted as VP. Whomever they pick has to be expected to be young enough to run for President after Biden is out of office, wether he does four or eight years. Then that VP needs to still be able to do an additional four to eight years for their own term.
I just can’t see Warren or anyone in that age range to seriously still be in politics when they’re damn near a nonagenarian.
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Having to go through a primary fight while controlling the WH doesn’t seem like it’s worth repeating so soon.
Who said not to have a primary? Or that it was bad to?
The assumption people are making is that the VP who succeeds an old/deceased Biden will become the standard bearer for the party and will need to run for re-election for two more terms.
It’s a bad assumption to make.
It's not that there won't be a primary.
It's that the VP is the absolute frontrunner. And it comes with the implied, if not explicit endorsement of the President. If Biden had chosen to run in 2016, he'd have had Obama's support.
So, whoever Biden picks, should be a shoe-in for the nomination, unless they're so completely unsuitable for the position that they don't run, in which case that'd reflect poorly on the President for picking them in the first place.
So, whoever Biden picks, short of catastrophe, will be the next person to run for President.