My friend sent me a link to a cool job, which expires today, so I was like "fuck better do a covering letter now" and I wrote one and then when I went back to upload it it updated to say "expired"
When you post a job, if you put a date when the job expires and it is in fact at some point during that day then a time would also be nice. I am just saying. Just super saiyin
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I have a video interview that was scheduled to start two minutes ago and I have to pee. No way can I go pee now, but I want this interview to hurry up and start so it can end and I can go PEE.
"If you divide the whole world into just enemies and friends, you'll end up destroying everything" --Nausicaa of the Valley of Wind
I remember Things Fall Apart being pretty meaningful when I read it in High School.
I hated it! I can't honestly say why at this point in my life, and I know it was me and not the book. My teacher also overly simplified it to "white people bad", and as a white teenager I didn't really understand colonialism. I was also going through confirmation at my church, and yeah. Wrong book for that time of my life.
My issue with a lot of books is that they really need a lot more context than a literature class can provide, and should be integrated with history/ social studies classes.
If that's all there is my friends, then let's keep dancing
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I like your list, though I'd argue for To Kill a Mockingbird, even though it's been done to death a million billion times in every class in every school since forever.
I'll preface this by saying that I enjoy To Kill A Mockingbird quite a bit and think its well written.
With that said, I think we can introduce its themes & topics in another book, written by a POC author, which features a POC protagonist.
Ultimately To Kill A Mockingbird is a very white book.
Thought it was an unusually slow day with the ticket system while on telework, but then IT (oh yeah you know where this is going) sent out an email saying that if supervisors are having problems approving work requests because their links now default to Edge as a result of the update, then they could "easily" work around it by opening the link, copying it in the busted Edge window, close the window, open Start menu, search for Internet Explorer, open Internet Explorer, paste link, hit enter, then input their credentials. That's it! All they have to do is that entire process separately for every work request they have. Manually!
Every. Single. One.
Oh but only until they can "fix" the "issue" so y'know it's not their fault things are utter clownshoes except it totally is.
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Yeah, Things fall apart and the glass menagerie came to mind to me. Both great.
Also between the world and me as all us honkeys should read and understand that.
oh i always forget about this one. We didn't read it for school but i did read it myself during that time period... but the count of monte cristo is a great classic lit choice that gets you out of the perception of "only white guys got to write back then" and Dumas is just one of those super fascinating people of history.
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Poetry wise of recommend some Anne Bradstreet. Early American poet during early colonial times writing about things facing her life. Including the death of a child. We've got lots of make voices from the colonial times, not as many women. Also I really liked her poetry.
I loved Grapes of Wrath and Scarlet Letter. I think Grapes and the conversation over the Depression might be useful to have right now with kids I think the conversation over sexism and sexuality from Scarlet Letter, as well as bullying, can also be important lessons . Gatsby can get fired into the sun. Same with all Dickens.
Anne Frank is taught in 8th grade because I think that's a national standard for Holocaust education? Although for me it was 7th grade.
You could probably have a very hard discussion with the students over a reading of the Merchant of Venice. I read that one in uni and the prof led a very deep discussion on why it was called a comedy and not a tragedy.
Another thought I had was maybe a unit on international mythologies. Creation myths from around the world. Zeus, Osiris, Maui, etc.
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"If you divide the whole world into just enemies and friends, you'll end up destroying everything" --Nausicaa of the Valley of Wind
The only thing I can remember about assigned books was for catcher in the rye, mainly because I hated it so much and wrote my entire paper about how much it sucked.
I guess somewhere in that rant I had expressed comprehension of what I had read because I'm pretty sure the screed got full marks.
Lucky. Last time I went on a rant about the assigned reading (it was Hamlet) I got a B+ and a trip to the school advisor's office because the teacher claimed to be in fear for their safety.
Bullshit 2: The Bullshittening was the title of the essay.
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My god I just realized how much Shakespeare my English class had
Romer and Juliet, Midsummer Night's Dream, King Lear, Macbeth, Hamlet
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The only thing I can remember about assigned books was for catcher in the rye, mainly because I hated it so much and wrote my entire paper about how much it sucked.
I guess somewhere in that rant I had expressed comprehension of what I had read because I'm pretty sure the screed got full marks.
Frankenstein should definitely be in there, that book is great.
I'd argue that something by Terry Pratchett should be on a high school reading list.
Small Gods
Standalone, and deals with Themes
There's also Nation, but it's been a long time since I read it so I'm not sure what the reading age is - I think it's technically Teen
Yes, that is a good, choice, though I would also argue for Guards Guards or Night Watch, as those don't need too much background introduction and do a lot of social commentary on very important topics.
When I got my Bachelor in Eng. Lit, they started out on Shakespear with Titus, both reading it and watching the Hopkins movie. It certainly caught our attention.
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My god I just realized how much Shakespeare my English class had
Romer and Juliet, Midsummer Night's Dream, King Lear, Macbeth, Hamlet
It’s because it’s kinda foundational to a lot of other stuff and is pretty brilliant to boot with how it was written.
Also you’re not even counting the Sonnets and other collected works.
Still a bit much for HS, even if it was a multi-semester class. I'd consider one comedy, one tragedy, and if you want to get into how Bill used his sources one of the histories with accompanying asides of Holinshed's Chronicles to be more than adequate. Though I find Marlowe easier to make direct connections to Elizabethan historiography as he wasn't near as subtle about it as Shakespeare.
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I am of two minds about Shakespeare and his plays.
On the one hand, they are brilliant, foundational, and clever as all hell. On the other hand, you basically need a translation guide for all his riffs, references, and just plain dated grammar/vocabulary. It should be studied, but probably not in High School. And certainly not as assigned reading.
Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
I think high school is fine for some light shakespeare intro, just give 'em the fun ones with lots of puns and wordplay. Not R+J, for sure.
I do think tying the more dramatic plays into the ongoing political and social struggles of the elizabethan era is super interesting, but I doubt that has a lot of pertinence to the average high school curriculum. Especially in the states.
edit: I can't remember every shakespeare play we did but King Lear wasn't a bad choice if you absolutely must do a tragedy. Pretty simple structure, lots of great language to tear apart in the soliloquies.
The only thing I can remember about assigned books was for catcher in the rye, mainly because I hated it so much and wrote my entire paper about how much it sucked.
I guess somewhere in that rant I had expressed comprehension of what I had read because I'm pretty sure the screed got full marks.
I read Catcher in the Rye of my own volition (while on vacation in Greece, as it happened). Definitely the book I hated the most while reading it.
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In my defense. The student also said she liked sad stories and I did give her a warning.
Munkus BeaverYou don't have to attend every argument you are invited to.Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPAregular
Every time we read Shakespeare in high school we definitely just did a class read-through assigning parts to people. It made more sense and doing it that way they were some of the lowest effort weeks i remember so that makes me think of it more favorably I'm sure. I really liked macbeth in 12th grade. I've never had to or considered reading any of them on my own though but i imagine it's a rougher experience without a knowledgeable teacher leading the read and able to add notes and answer questions
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We got to study Hone Tuwhare's poetry in school, who was a New Zealand Maori poet who wrote in English, but had learned rhythm and structure in part from his father who had been a traditional Maori storyteller.
He himself left his family to work for the railways, writing poetry as he travelled up and down the length of the country by train. He wrote about contemporary NZ subjects from a distinctly Maori perspective - his most famous work is No Ordinary Sun, an anti-nuclear poem on proliferation writen in the 1960s, well ahead of the curve. However, the one that sticks with me is about going to see a talk by one of the prominent 70's feminists with his wife, except they were having sex right before the event and didn't get a chance to shower before rushing out to attend and everyone in the audience staring at them when the feminist started talking about fucking. Which was hellishly entertaining to read in class as a 15 year old.
Probably not relevant for a US context, but I just wanted to post about Hone Tuwhare.
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Small Gods
Standalone, and deals with Themes
There's also Nation, but it's been a long time since I read it so I'm not sure what the reading age is - I think it's technically Teen
Probably still considered inappropriate sadly.
But for high school, definitely MacBeth over Hamlet.
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I read my first year in college and liked it a bunch.
My friend sent me a link to a cool job, which expires today, so I was like "fuck better do a covering letter now" and I wrote one and then when I went back to upload it it updated to say "expired"
When you post a job, if you put a date when the job expires and it is in fact at some point during that day then a time would also be nice. I am just saying. Just super saiyin
I hated it! I can't honestly say why at this point in my life, and I know it was me and not the book. My teacher also overly simplified it to "white people bad", and as a white teenager I didn't really understand colonialism. I was also going through confirmation at my church, and yeah. Wrong book for that time of my life.
My issue with a lot of books is that they really need a lot more context than a literature class can provide, and should be integrated with history/ social studies classes.
Oh that is a very good point!
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Ta-Nahesi Coates maybe?
Huh, looking at Wikipedia I feel like I only read the first half of that...or I guess I only remember the first half of it but I remember it well.
Every. Single. One.
Oh but only until they can "fix" the "issue" so y'know it's not their fault things are utter clownshoes except it totally is.
At least you know why the caged bird started singing.
Also between the world and me as all us honkeys should read and understand that.
It's weird because I very vividly remember the part I read. I'm guessing it was a youth / truncated version that stops before the rape?
If I die because of some whinny ass coward sports fans demanding to play/watch high school sports, I and going to be very disappointed.
I loved Grapes of Wrath and Scarlet Letter. I think Grapes and the conversation over the Depression might be useful to have right now with kids I think the conversation over sexism and sexuality from Scarlet Letter, as well as bullying, can also be important lessons . Gatsby can get fired into the sun. Same with all Dickens.
Anne Frank is taught in 8th grade because I think that's a national standard for Holocaust education? Although for me it was 7th grade.
You could probably have a very hard discussion with the students over a reading of the Merchant of Venice. I read that one in uni and the prof led a very deep discussion on why it was called a comedy and not a tragedy.
Another thought I had was maybe a unit on international mythologies. Creation myths from around the world. Zeus, Osiris, Maui, etc.
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I guess somewhere in that rant I had expressed comprehension of what I had read because I'm pretty sure the screed got full marks.
Bullshit 2: The Bullshittening was the title of the essay.
Like the readers digest abridged series?
Romer and Juliet, Midsummer Night's Dream, King Lear, Macbeth, Hamlet
It’s because it’s kinda foundational to a lot of other stuff and is pretty brilliant to boot with how it was written.
Also you’re not even counting the Sonnets and other collected works.
I did this in university for Gatsby.
I really really hate that book
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Yes, that is a good, choice, though I would also argue for Guards Guards or Night Watch, as those don't need too much background introduction and do a lot of social commentary on very important topics.
When I got my Bachelor in Eng. Lit, they started out on Shakespear with Titus, both reading it and watching the Hopkins movie. It certainly caught our attention.
Still a bit much for HS, even if it was a multi-semester class. I'd consider one comedy, one tragedy, and if you want to get into how Bill used his sources one of the histories with accompanying asides of Holinshed's Chronicles to be more than adequate. Though I find Marlowe easier to make direct connections to Elizabethan historiography as he wasn't near as subtle about it as Shakespeare.
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On the one hand, they are brilliant, foundational, and clever as all hell. On the other hand, you basically need a translation guide for all his riffs, references, and just plain dated grammar/vocabulary. It should be studied, but probably not in High School. And certainly not as assigned reading.
I do think tying the more dramatic plays into the ongoing political and social struggles of the elizabethan era is super interesting, but I doubt that has a lot of pertinence to the average high school curriculum. Especially in the states.
edit: I can't remember every shakespeare play we did but King Lear wasn't a bad choice if you absolutely must do a tragedy. Pretty simple structure, lots of great language to tear apart in the soliloquies.
I read Catcher in the Rye of my own volition (while on vacation in Greece, as it happened). Definitely the book I hated the most while reading it.
Oh, so you’re saying she was asking for it
He himself left his family to work for the railways, writing poetry as he travelled up and down the length of the country by train. He wrote about contemporary NZ subjects from a distinctly Maori perspective - his most famous work is No Ordinary Sun, an anti-nuclear poem on proliferation writen in the 1960s, well ahead of the curve. However, the one that sticks with me is about going to see a talk by one of the prominent 70's feminists with his wife, except they were having sex right before the event and didn't get a chance to shower before rushing out to attend and everyone in the audience staring at them when the feminist started talking about fucking. Which was hellishly entertaining to read in class as a 15 year old.
Probably not relevant for a US context, but I just wanted to post about Hone Tuwhare.
I was more shocked she hadn't been made to read it in school yet.
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