I've heard this suggestion in the wild and I'm not opposed to it. It really comes down to what the man wanted, in my opinion. If he left word that he's OK with a recast, so am I.
Jordan would be a really bad choice though. Plenty of other black actors if you want to recast, using the guy who played the dead villian is weird. If he didn't have that role or if it was something like Malekeith (so) where the costume was concealing, go for it. Jordan is definitely good enough for it.
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I just really like Michael B. Jordan, but yeah I can see how it could be confusing to the audience.
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He was awesome, but rather emphatically killed...that seems pretty weird?
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Not to mention the character he played was an active and intentional mass murderer obsessed with vengeance and trying to commit more murder until the day he died, so having him take up the Black Panther role would be pretty disrespectful to the fact that the Panther is supposed to be... well, a hero. And not a mass murderer.
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I'd point out that T'Challa is the Black Panther as things stand but that doesn't matter past the fact that, as has been mentioned, it would be super-weird to bring an actor who recently played a villain back in a recast role for the hero he fought against.
Particularly when there's a pile of better not-weird options already in the setting, plus a slew of new and worthwhile actors to choose from who wouldn't make half the audience go "why the hell is everybody calling the bad guy T'Challa?"
I'd point out that T'Challa is the Black Panther as things stand but that doesn't matter past the fact that, as has been mentioned, it would be super-weird to bring an actor who recently played a villain back in a recast role for the hero he fought against.
Particularly when there's a pile of better not-weird options already in the setting, plus a slew of new and worthwhile actors to choose from who wouldn't make half the audience go "why the hell is everybody calling the bad guy T'Challa?"
That was a response to Orca saying he was killed.
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He was awesome, but rather emphatically killed...that seems pretty weird?
I didn't say cast him as Killmonger! Do the Star Trek thing where an actor can come back for multiple roles, and make him be T'Challa.
Though I know this is a forlorn hope, I just like the actor.
I say no to John Boyega because though I love him, I want an American actor in the role.
Why, out of curiosity?
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I don't see the need to recast. There are plenty of valid plot reasons they can come up with for T'Challa no longer being around, and it's weird to force the issue given they were planning on passing the mantle in the future anyway.
Also - who is going to want to follow in Chadwick Boseman's footsteps? Why would you add even more difficulty to an already-difficult situation?
I don't see the need to recast. There are plenty of valid plot reasons they can come up with for T'Challa no longer being around, and it's weird to force the issue given they were planning on passing the mantle in the future anyway.
If they don't recast, then they either need to
1.Get rid of T'challa off-screen, which would be an incredibly shitty way of seeing that character out, IMO. Or
B. Have him "around" but never on screen, which would also be kind of garbage and be a glaring elephant in the room for the entire movie.
Like, if you don't recast, you're not going to get the mantle passed, you'll have to have Shuri pick it up off of the ground whereever it fell. The connective tissue to T'challa will be tepid at best if he's not there to actually pass the mantle.
Also - who is going to want to follow in Chadwick Boseman's footsteps? Why would you add even more difficulty to an already-difficult situation?
You really don't think there's multiple actors who would be beside themselves at the chance of playing T'challa?
I'm torn on the idea of recasting. I think back to Spartacus and Andy Whitfield giving his blessing before he passed; that worked and the show continued on and the recasting felt okay. But. T'Challa is different. The significance of the role coupled with Boseman's status makes recasting a really tough call. It would be a shame to lose T'Challa after just getting him on screen, but at the same time if Boseman didn't have an opportunity to give his blessing to someone else taking on the role it would feel kind of disrespectful in my opinion. It's also a different situation because the mantle of Black Panther can be passed on, and there's precedent for it, so there are ways to write around it that make sense in universe without needing to recast.
I don't know. I really like the character of T'Challa and would love to see more of him, but I think most of it was down to Boseman's performance, so...
I don't see the need to recast. There are plenty of valid plot reasons they can come up with for T'Challa no longer being around, and it's weird to force the issue given they were planning on passing the mantle in the future anyway.
If they don't recast, then they either need to
1.Get rid of T'challa off-screen, which would be an incredibly shitty way of seeing that character out, IMO. Or
B. Have him "around" but never on screen, which would also be kind of garbage and be a glaring elephant in the room for the entire movie.
Like, if you don't recast, you're not going to get the mantle passed, you'll have to have Shuri pick it up off of the ground whereever it fell. The connective tissue to T'challa will be tepid at best if he's not there to actually pass the mantle.
People know the subtext of why he isn't on screen anymore. It wouldn't be a "shitty" way of seeing the character go out given the actual actor died.
Also - who is going to want to follow in Chadwick Boseman's footsteps? Why would you add even more difficulty to an already-difficult situation?
You really don't think there's multiple actors who would be beside themselves at the chance of playing T'challa?
I think, given the choice, most actors would prefer to be a completely different character than one where the beloved actor who originally portrayed them passed away. Again, the point isn't that it isn't possible. It's that it's just making things more difficult than they need to be.
Ok, hear me out, I got an idea ripped out of the comic book pages. So, Falcon gets the shield and tries to help out the Captain America legacy, correct?
Well...
Bucky as Black Panther (not T'challa), a nod to this comic book character: White Wolf.
I would think they would take a different path in the movies than in the comics though with the character, since its not Hunter as the White Wolf, but Bucky Barnes.
I don't see the need to recast. There are plenty of valid plot reasons they can come up with for T'Challa no longer being around, and it's weird to force the issue given they were planning on passing the mantle in the future anyway.
If they don't recast, then they either need to
1.Get rid of T'challa off-screen, which would be an incredibly shitty way of seeing that character out, IMO. Or
B. Have him "around" but never on screen, which would also be kind of garbage and be a glaring elephant in the room for the entire movie.
Like, if you don't recast, you're not going to get the mantle passed, you'll have to have Shuri pick it up off of the ground whereever it fell. The connective tissue to T'challa will be tepid at best if he's not there to actually pass the mantle.
People know the subtext of why he isn't on screen anymore. It wouldn't be a "shitty" way of seeing the character go out given the actual actor died.
Can't say I agree. People would accept it, but that doesn't mean it's the version they'd most want. I highly doubt that, after the first Black Panther became such a major moment, people are going to be happy to find out that T'challa died off screen.
Also - who is going to want to follow in Chadwick Boseman's footsteps? Why would you add even more difficulty to an already-difficult situation?
You really don't think there's multiple actors who would be beside themselves at the chance of playing T'challa?
I think, given the choice, most actors would prefer to be a completely different character than one where the beloved actor who originally portrayed them passed away. Again, the point isn't that it isn't possible. It's that it's just making things more difficult than they need to be.
I'd be willing to bet there's a lot of actors who would want to see the character continue, and would be honored if given the opportunity to facilitate that.
Also, just because something is hard doesn't mean it's not worth doing. Getting Black Panther made at all took Kevin Fiege prying Marvel Studios out of Perlmutter's hands, which could not have been an easy feat to accomplish.
Ok, hear me out, I got an idea ripped out of the comic book pages. So, Falcon gets the shield and tries to help out the Captain America legacy, correct?
Well...
Bucky as Black Panther (not T'challa), a nod to this comic book character: White Wolf.
I would think they would take a different path in the movies than in the comics though with the character, since its not Hunter as the White Wolf, but Bucky Barnes.
There isn't a jumbo liner in the world big enough to handle the baggage that would generate.
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Yeah, "white former Nazi assassin takes over role of hero from black king of African nation" is just... oof. No thank you.
Keep Bucky as Bucky, let another black actor take up the Black Panther mantle to similarly be a positive role model.
I don't see the need to recast. There are plenty of valid plot reasons they can come up with for T'Challa no longer being around, and it's weird to force the issue given they were planning on passing the mantle in the future anyway.
If they don't recast, then they either need to
1.Get rid of T'challa off-screen, which would be an incredibly shitty way of seeing that character out, IMO. Or
B. Have him "around" but never on screen, which would also be kind of garbage and be a glaring elephant in the room for the entire movie.
Like, if you don't recast, you're not going to get the mantle passed, you'll have to have Shuri pick it up off of the ground whereever it fell. The connective tissue to T'challa will be tepid at best if he's not there to actually pass the mantle.
People know the subtext of why he isn't on screen anymore. It wouldn't be a "shitty" way of seeing the character go out given the actual actor died.
Can't say I agree. People would accept it, but that doesn't mean it's the version they'd most want. I highly doubt that, after the first Black Panther became such a major moment, people are going to be happy to find out that T'challa died off screen.
Also - who is going to want to follow in Chadwick Boseman's footsteps? Why would you add even more difficulty to an already-difficult situation?
You really don't think there's multiple actors who would be beside themselves at the chance of playing T'challa?
I think, given the choice, most actors would prefer to be a completely different character than one where the beloved actor who originally portrayed them passed away. Again, the point isn't that it isn't possible. It's that it's just making things more difficult than they need to be.
I'd be willing to bet there's a lot of actors who would want to see the character continue, and would be honored if given the opportunity to facilitate that.
Also, just because something is hard doesn't mean it's not worth doing. Getting Black Panther made at all took Kevin Fiege prying Marvel Studios out of Perlmutter's hands, which could not have been an easy feat to accomplish.
I think that having more than 1 african hero / rolemodel would be a better message than there only being one and ignoring continuity to keep that 1 going.
Aww.. now i’m having a sad that we wont see a T’Challa / Luke Cage team up.
Some people think it would be disrespectful to recast; some feel it would be disrespectful to not have the character appear again.
If Boseman did have some final wishes, IMO those should be honored; but we don't know if he did, or if he did, what they were.
I submit, therefore, that this is currently a question that cannot be answered.
He was awesome, but rather emphatically killed...that seems pretty weird?
I didn't say cast him as Killmonger! Do the Star Trek thing where an actor can come back for multiple roles, and make him be T'Challa.
Though I know this is a forlorn hope, I just like the actor.
I say no to John Boyega because though I love him, I want an American actor in the role.
Why, out of curiosity?
Just, reading the comments from Ryan Coogler about what he and Boseman discussed - about how their connection to Africa was forever severed because of the history of the United States, about how to portray an African king unconquered by the west, about how Black Panther is, in a way, a kind of Lord of the Rings for black people - I like British actors, but I want these things to be carried forward by another American black man who more fundamentally understands the struggles of American black society in the way black foreigners can never truly understand. I also am influenced by comments from Samuel L. Jackson a few years back.
"If you divide the whole world into just enemies and friends, you'll end up destroying everything" --Nausicaa of the Valley of Wind
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Ok, hear me out, I got an idea ripped out of the comic book pages. So, Falcon gets the shield and tries to help out the Captain America legacy, correct?
Well...
Bucky as Black Panther (not T'challa), a nod to this comic book character: White Wolf.
I would think they would take a different path in the movies than in the comics though with the character, since its not Hunter as the White Wolf, but Bucky Barnes.
It's one of those things... in universe it could make sense. There are enough crumbs that it would make sense. There is an alternate timeline out there that could make it work.
Not this timeline though.
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Yeah, that's something for a What If one-off story. Even in 2020, having a black actor as a strong positive role model is still an uphill battle as it is and definitely not something that should be dropped for something like making Bucky the Black Panther.
I don't doubt there's interesting things that could be done with Bucky as Panther, it's just that the social value of a black actor as the Panther is so much more important than anything that could be done with Bucky.
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I've heard this suggestion in the wild and I'm not opposed to it. It really comes down to what the man wanted, in my opinion. If he left word that he's OK with a recast, so am I.
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I did have that thought myself. People did say it was a shame he was a 'one and done' villain....
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He was awesome, but rather emphatically killed...that seems pretty weird?
Particularly when there's a pile of better not-weird options already in the setting, plus a slew of new and worthwhile actors to choose from who wouldn't make half the audience go "why the hell is everybody calling the bad guy T'Challa?"
I didn't say cast him as Killmonger! Do the Star Trek thing where an actor can come back for multiple roles, and make him be T'Challa.
Though I know this is a forlorn hope, I just like the actor.
I say no to John Boyega because though I love him, I want an American actor in the role.
That was a response to Orca saying he was killed.
Yes, but he did a great job as the villain and it seems weird to bring him back as the hero to me. T'Challa isn't The Doctor
Nah, he's going to be Blade.
Why, out of curiosity?
Also - who is going to want to follow in Chadwick Boseman's footsteps? Why would you add even more difficulty to an already-difficult situation?
And he keeps the Lando facial hair.
If they don't recast, then they either need to
1.Get rid of T'challa off-screen, which would be an incredibly shitty way of seeing that character out, IMO. Or
B. Have him "around" but never on screen, which would also be kind of garbage and be a glaring elephant in the room for the entire movie.
Like, if you don't recast, you're not going to get the mantle passed, you'll have to have Shuri pick it up off of the ground whereever it fell. The connective tissue to T'challa will be tepid at best if he's not there to actually pass the mantle.
You really don't think there's multiple actors who would be beside themselves at the chance of playing T'challa?
I don't know. I really like the character of T'Challa and would love to see more of him, but I think most of it was down to Boseman's performance, so...
Do... Re... Mi... So... Fa.... Do... Re.... Do...
Forget it...
People know the subtext of why he isn't on screen anymore. It wouldn't be a "shitty" way of seeing the character go out given the actual actor died.
I think, given the choice, most actors would prefer to be a completely different character than one where the beloved actor who originally portrayed them passed away. Again, the point isn't that it isn't possible. It's that it's just making things more difficult than they need to be.
Well...
Bucky as Black Panther (not T'challa), a nod to this comic book character: White Wolf.
https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/White_Wolf_(Hunter)_(Earth-616)
Related scene in the movie:
I would think they would take a different path in the movies than in the comics though with the character, since its not Hunter as the White Wolf, but Bucky Barnes.
Can't say I agree. People would accept it, but that doesn't mean it's the version they'd most want. I highly doubt that, after the first Black Panther became such a major moment, people are going to be happy to find out that T'challa died off screen.
I'd be willing to bet there's a lot of actors who would want to see the character continue, and would be honored if given the opportunity to facilitate that.
Also, just because something is hard doesn't mean it's not worth doing. Getting Black Panther made at all took Kevin Fiege prying Marvel Studios out of Perlmutter's hands, which could not have been an easy feat to accomplish.
There isn't a jumbo liner in the world big enough to handle the baggage that would generate.
Keep Bucky as Bucky, let another black actor take up the Black Panther mantle to similarly be a positive role model.
Do... Re... Mi... So... Fa.... Do... Re.... Do...
Forget it...
I think that having more than 1 african hero / rolemodel would be a better message than there only being one and ignoring continuity to keep that 1 going.
Aww.. now i’m having a sad that we wont see a T’Challa / Luke Cage team up.
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If Boseman did have some final wishes, IMO those should be honored; but we don't know if he did, or if he did, what they were.
I submit, therefore, that this is currently a question that cannot be answered.
Just, reading the comments from Ryan Coogler about what he and Boseman discussed - about how their connection to Africa was forever severed because of the history of the United States, about how to portray an African king unconquered by the west, about how Black Panther is, in a way, a kind of Lord of the Rings for black people - I like British actors, but I want these things to be carried forward by another American black man who more fundamentally understands the struggles of American black society in the way black foreigners can never truly understand. I also am influenced by comments from Samuel L. Jackson a few years back.
You would make a white guy the Black Panther
Really?
Not this timeline though.
I don't doubt there's interesting things that could be done with Bucky as Panther, it's just that the social value of a black actor as the Panther is so much more important than anything that could be done with Bucky.
Maybe with the cat being out of the bag, the former comes back to protect him and the latter is one of the many people going after him.
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