We're actually going to need a lot of money to get this off the ground.
Yeah, land is very expensive unless it's absolute garbage, and even then it will be massively overpriced.
Also need to consider climate shifts because land that might be decent now will be becoming garbage over the next couple decades as the biosphere collapses.
We're actually going to need a lot of money to get this off the ground.
Yeah, land is very expensive unless it's absolute garbage, and even then it will be massively overpriced.
Also need to consider climate shifts because land that might be decent now will be becoming garbage over the next couple decades as the biosphere collapses.
Or the opposite direction of "not great now but climate change makes it better".
All land was stolen, let's steal some back, fuck paying for it, a proper commune is a squat anyway, isn't it?
I'm being serious
I've been daydreaming about winning the lottery quite a lot recently, and besides a hostel for LGBTQIA+ homeless youth, something would do with a huge windfall of money would be start buying up cheap farmland in water catchment areas and reforesting it. Then I didn't know what to do with it until the other day when I thought "why not just give it back to the traditional owners?" Because what the hell else am I going to do with tens of not hundreds of thousands of acres of woodlands?
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All land was stolen, let's steal some back, fuck paying for it, a proper commune is a squat anyway, isn't it?
I'm being serious
I've been daydreaming about winning the lottery quite a lot recently, and besides a hostel for LGBTQIA+ homeless youth, something would do with a huge windfall of money would be start buying up cheap farmland in water catchment areas and reforesting it. Then I didn't know what to do with it until the other day when I thought "why not just give it back to the traditional owners?" Because what the hell else am I going to do with tens of not hundreds of thousands of acres of woodlands?
Not every police department needs to be torn to the ground and its officers black listed from law enforcement ever again. But the ones that are tender resemble the LAPD and NYPD.
Less police departments and more military bodies, their political clout overshadows everything.
Their existence has a gravitational effect on all these motions and will determine where the tides will take us
Not every police department needs to be torn to the ground and its officers black listed from law enforcement ever again. But the ones that are tender resemble the LAPD and NYPD.
Less police departments and more military bodies, their political clout overshadows everything.
Their existence has a gravitational effect on all these motions and will determine where the tides will take us
if we don't rip the whole system out by the roots and set it on fire, the police from the departments that get shut down will disperse into all the ones that are still there and the problem hasn't been solved or really even made less severe. the really absurdly over-the-top bad police organizations are a symptom of the problem, not the cause. the cause is the basic idea of police and more specifically the way we've implemented that idea
US policing is the natural evolution of the slave catching and union busting groups that they came from.
It's fruit of the poisoned tree. You can't take an institution that was created with the sole purpose of protecting wealthy white people's property and expect it to actually protect and serve the community.
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The Puritans that didn't get kicked out of England had a good idea with their "Root and Branch" petition of 1641. It called for the complete dismantling of the Anglican episcopal structure because it was wholly corrupt and exerted way too much influence in Parliament, especially the House of Lords. Not exactly an apples to apples comparison, though the church did imprison and/or torture their fair share of innocents and was another reason Cromwell and his faction made the bill.
While it was ultimately defeated, that sort of scorched earth approach is what is needed here.
No matter where you go...there you are. ~ Buckaroo Banzai
Not every police department needs to be torn to the ground and its officers black listed from law enforcement ever again. But the ones that are tender resemble the LAPD and NYPD.
Less police departments and more military bodies, their political clout overshadows everything.
Their existence has a gravitational effect on all these motions and will determine where the tides will take us
if we don't rip the whole system out by the roots and set it on fire, the police from the departments that get shut down will disperse into all the ones that are still there and the problem hasn't been solved or really even made less severe. the really absurdly over-the-top bad police organizations are a symptom of the problem, not the cause. the cause is the basic idea of police and more specifically the way we've implemented that idea
The cause is the basic idea of violence in this country and that certain people, "have it coming."
HacksawJ. Duggan Esq.Wrestler at LawRegistered Userregular
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The cops can literally kill me and get away with it by claiming they feared for their lives. They can enter my home in the middle of night without uniforms or announcing themselves, shoot me dead, and the worst thing that will happen to them is some bad publicity. They might get charged with a crime as a result of this, but they'll more than likely get off and find a new job at another department no questions asked.
This kind of system cannot continue to exist if there is to be anything resembling justice in this country.
Not every police department needs to be torn to the ground and its officers black listed from law enforcement ever again. But the ones that are tender resemble the LAPD and NYPD.
Less police departments and more military bodies, their political clout overshadows everything.
Their existence has a gravitational effect on all these motions and will determine where the tides will take us
if we don't rip the whole system out by the roots and set it on fire, the police from the departments that get shut down will disperse into all the ones that are still there and the problem hasn't been solved or really even made less severe. the really absurdly over-the-top bad police organizations are a symptom of the problem, not the cause. the cause is the basic idea of police and more specifically the way we've implemented that idea
The cause is the basic idea of violence in this country and that certain people, "have it coming."
we have a shitty relationship with violence, but that's way more broad an explanation for police than is necessary
police have always existed to protect capital, going all the way back to the antebellum posses who tracked down escaped slaves to drag them back to their owners. as long as that's the basis for police, they will never even be improved, let alone made good. there is no fixing what we already have to make it functional or conscionable, it's completely rotten from the ground up
like there probably is a place in a healthy society for people whose job it is to mediate conflicts and if necessary to use force to defend people who need help, if their purpose and powers are extremely specifically defined and tightly controlled. not only are police not that, they've literally never been that. there's no last good state to roll back to, even if they weren't so manifestly shitty in practice, even in concept they can never be good
like there probably is a place in a healthy society for people whose job it is to mediate conflicts and if necessary to use force to defend people who need help, if their purpose and powers are extremely specifically defined and tightly controlled. not only are police not that, they've literally never been that. there's no last good state to roll back to, even if they weren't so manifestly shitty in practice, even in concept they can never be good
Even if you go full defund, there is a place for trained professionals who have guns and can shoot people. Why? Because that's what you need when some incel decides to bring an AR-15 to school.
What you don't need is fleets of roided-up high school bullies roaming around the community starting shit because they got bored or want to earn points at the next Neo-Nazi hangout. That wastes billions of tax dollars, makes criminals out of people who weren't harming anyone because the cops have a quota to meet, and generally makes life intolerable for entire communities who have to tell their children that they can be murdered at any time for no reason by people on the public payroll.
My bro had three friends I knew of when I as a teen chaperoned his gradeschool fieldtrips.
1 caught in the school to prison pipeline, one died in gang life, the third killed over a parking space.
Then there's the later friend that killed a former classmate of mine years after killing.....well some of you Seattlites might know that victim.
Point is, lot more black men die tragic deaths unrelated to the police, and while reform (real, absolute, meaty reform, with claws and fangs, unneutered by politics) would prevent deaths, it would not stop people like dude that wacked a Seahawks player with a street sign from living the way he did that lead to his murder that night.
However, volent wicked cops buff all those other problems and causes of death, and inhibit efforts to combat them. Real reform (as defined above) would allow downstream benefits by actually allowing community traction against their problems.
I.E. helping a black man stop a fight at a gas station instead of shooting him while his hands were raised. Or helping a security guard stop a fight instead of shooting him.
My bro had three friends I knew of when I as a teen chaperoned his gradeschool fieldtrips.
1 caught in the school to prison pipeline, one died in gang life, the third killed over a parking space.
Then there's the later friend that killed a former classmate of mine years after killing.....well some of you Seattlites might know that victim.
Point is, lot more black men die tragic deaths unrelated to the police, and while reform (real, absolute, meaty reform, with claws and fangs, unneutered by politics) would prevent deaths, it would not stop people like dude that wacked a Seahawks player with a street sign from living the way he did that lead to his murder that night.
However, volent wicked cops buff all those other problems and causes of death, and inhibit efforts to combat them. Real reform (as defined above) would allow downstream benefits by actually allowing community traction against their problems.
I.E. helping a black man stop a fight at a gas station instead of shooting him while his hands were raised. Or helping a security guard stop a fight instead of shooting him.
I grew up in a poor white rural community. Lots of needless death due to drugs and violence there, too. It's just that they didn't worry about cops murdering them for sport.
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StraightziHere we may reign secure, and in my choice,To reign is worth ambition though in HellRegistered Userregular
Police abolition isn't just saying get rid of the police though
Like absolutely, get rid of the police, but also now you've got money that you can use to support better school systems and rehab facilities and social support structures
All of which have the documented effect of reducing crime, and could potentially prevent the sort of deaths you're talking about
My bro had three friends I knew of when I as a teen chaperoned his gradeschool fieldtrips.
1 caught in the school to prison pipeline, one died in gang life, the third killed over a parking space.
Then there's the later friend that killed a former classmate of mine years after killing.....well some of you Seattlites might know that victim.
Point is, lot more black men die tragic deaths unrelated to the police, and while reform (real, absolute, meaty reform, with claws and fangs, unneutered by politics) would prevent deaths, it would not stop people like dude that wacked a Seahawks player with a street sign from living the way he did that lead to his murder that night.
However, volent wicked cops buff all those other problems and causes of death, and inhibit efforts to combat them. Real reform (as defined above) would allow downstream benefits by actually allowing community traction against their problems.
I.E. helping a black man stop a fight at a gas station instead of shooting him while his hands were raised. Or helping a security guard stop a fight instead of shooting him.
i don't really understand what you're getting at. there are shitty ways to get unnecessarily killed or locked up that aren't directly related to police, yeah, but that isn't an argument against getting rid of police
Donovan PuppyfuckerA dagger in the dark isworth a thousand swords in the morningRegistered Userregular
The FBI doesn't even bother calling or emailing Tube anymore. They just have an agent assigned to his office, standing behind him staring at his computer screen all day.
I hear stories about people being murdered over a parking space and I think, “ we should fix the causes that lead to this as well!” We can stop the assassination and lynching of black men in the street at the hands of the state at the same time! Some of those causes could be helped along with funding from the bloated police budgets!
I hear stories about people being murdered over a parking space and I think, “ we should fix the causes that lead to this as well!” We can stop the assassination and lynching of black men in the street at the hands of the state at the same time! Some of those causes could be helped along with funding from the bloated police budgets!
True enough, but nothing about the last 12 years has convinced me that the American public has the attention span necessary for handling such unsexy topics
Do youse remember back in August (what is time?) I was posting about some trainees I took on?
Well, in a further demonstration of black excellence, one of my guys won the Prime Minister’s Vocational Excellence award. One of 500 across the whole country to do so. He is on the shortlist now for a further award and a chance to have lunch with Jacinda Ardern.
I was given the honour of awarding his prize to him in front of his school, family and friends.
A week and a half ago I took him to buy a pair of Jordans, with his own money. He told me that he couldn’t afford to own shoes until he was 12, and this was the first pair of shoes he’s owned from new.
Seeing this young man, in his brand new Jordans, stand in front of his whole community and take this award... there is hope, goddamnit
Do youse remember back in August (what is time?) I was posting about some trainees I took on?
Well, in a further demonstration of black excellence, one of my guys won the Prime Minister’s Vocational Excellence award. One of 500 across the whole country to do so. He is on the shortlist now for a further award and a chance to have lunch with Jacinda Ardern.
I was given the honour of awarding his prize to him in front of his school, family and friends.
A week and a half ago I took him to buy a pair of Jordans, with his own money. He told me that he couldn’t afford to own shoes until he was 12, and this was the first pair of shoes he’s owned from new.
Seeing this young man, in his brand new Jordans, stand in front of his whole community and take this award... there is hope, goddamnit
This is cool as hell and I'm really glad you were able to teach this guy a trade
My dad did something similar with the brother of his barber; poor guy had just gotten out of jail and was really depressed about not being able to get a job
Now he runs his own flooring company with work crews, owns a house and a nice car, and is able to support his wife and kids after bringing his wife over from their homeland; it's also nice to know Dad's skills were passed on and are being put to good use
The trades helped my Dad get out of poverty and in general are an excellent stepping stone towards the middle class if you can find an apprenticeship to get the skills you need
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you're good! there are not-too-complicated ways to run a gas generator on a wood fire that work pretty well
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There better be power. And hot water, and good internet. We're crazy commune nerds, not cave people.
I've lived the limited power/heat/internet life and only deem it acceptable if you regularly get elephants in your garden as a trade off
Yeah, land is very expensive unless it's absolute garbage, and even then it will be massively overpriced.
Also need to consider climate shifts because land that might be decent now will be becoming garbage over the next couple decades as the biosphere collapses.
Or the opposite direction of "not great now but climate change makes it better".
I'm being serious
Dig carrots?
Teach contemporary American literature? Or basic literacy?
...any takers?
That won't be a problem, because the skills I am going to bring to the commune is stealing a flat bed truck and ram-raiding solar panel warehouses.
Who wants to learn Spanish, Chinese, or Japanese?
(I am not qualified to teach any of these languages.)
I've been daydreaming about winning the lottery quite a lot recently, and besides a hostel for LGBTQIA+ homeless youth, something would do with a huge windfall of money would be start buying up cheap farmland in water catchment areas and reforesting it. Then I didn't know what to do with it until the other day when I thought "why not just give it back to the traditional owners?" Because what the hell else am I going to do with tens of not hundreds of thousands of acres of woodlands?
Can you teach me a largely useless pidgin combining all three?
Claro, 好朋友，これでは決めましょう！
Republicans?
Less police departments and more military bodies, their political clout overshadows everything.
Their existence has a gravitational effect on all these motions and will determine where the tides will take us
http://www.fallout3nexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=16534
if we don't rip the whole system out by the roots and set it on fire, the police from the departments that get shut down will disperse into all the ones that are still there and the problem hasn't been solved or really even made less severe. the really absurdly over-the-top bad police organizations are a symptom of the problem, not the cause. the cause is the basic idea of police and more specifically the way we've implemented that idea
hitting hot metal with hammers
It's fruit of the poisoned tree. You can't take an institution that was created with the sole purpose of protecting wealthy white people's property and expect it to actually protect and serve the community.
While it was ultimately defeated, that sort of scorched earth approach is what is needed here.
~ Buckaroo Banzai
The cause is the basic idea of violence in this country and that certain people, "have it coming."
http://www.fallout3nexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=16534
This kind of system cannot continue to exist if there is to be anything resembling justice in this country.
we have a shitty relationship with violence, but that's way more broad an explanation for police than is necessary
police have always existed to protect capital, going all the way back to the antebellum posses who tracked down escaped slaves to drag them back to their owners. as long as that's the basis for police, they will never even be improved, let alone made good. there is no fixing what we already have to make it functional or conscionable, it's completely rotten from the ground up
hitting hot metal with hammers
hitting hot metal with hammers
Even if you go full defund, there is a place for trained professionals who have guns and can shoot people. Why? Because that's what you need when some incel decides to bring an AR-15 to school.
What you don't need is fleets of roided-up high school bullies roaming around the community starting shit because they got bored or want to earn points at the next Neo-Nazi hangout. That wastes billions of tax dollars, makes criminals out of people who weren't harming anyone because the cops have a quota to meet, and generally makes life intolerable for entire communities who have to tell their children that they can be murdered at any time for no reason by people on the public payroll.
1 caught in the school to prison pipeline, one died in gang life, the third killed over a parking space.
Then there's the later friend that killed a former classmate of mine years after killing.....well some of you Seattlites might know that victim.
Point is, lot more black men die tragic deaths unrelated to the police, and while reform (real, absolute, meaty reform, with claws and fangs, unneutered by politics) would prevent deaths, it would not stop people like dude that wacked a Seahawks player with a street sign from living the way he did that lead to his murder that night.
However, volent wicked cops buff all those other problems and causes of death, and inhibit efforts to combat them. Real reform (as defined above) would allow downstream benefits by actually allowing community traction against their problems.
I.E. helping a black man stop a fight at a gas station instead of shooting him while his hands were raised. Or helping a security guard stop a fight instead of shooting him.
http://www.fallout3nexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=16534
I grew up in a poor white rural community. Lots of needless death due to drugs and violence there, too. It's just that they didn't worry about cops murdering them for sport.
Like absolutely, get rid of the police, but also now you've got money that you can use to support better school systems and rehab facilities and social support structures
All of which have the documented effect of reducing crime, and could potentially prevent the sort of deaths you're talking about
i don't really understand what you're getting at. there are shitty ways to get unnecessarily killed or locked up that aren't directly related to police, yeah, but that isn't an argument against getting rid of police
hitting hot metal with hammers
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better
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True enough, but nothing about the last 12 years has convinced me that the American public has the attention span necessary for handling such unsexy topics
http://www.fallout3nexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=16534
But it's pretty close
Well, in a further demonstration of black excellence, one of my guys won the Prime Minister’s Vocational Excellence award. One of 500 across the whole country to do so. He is on the shortlist now for a further award and a chance to have lunch with Jacinda Ardern.
I was given the honour of awarding his prize to him in front of his school, family and friends.
A week and a half ago I took him to buy a pair of Jordans, with his own money. He told me that he couldn’t afford to own shoes until he was 12, and this was the first pair of shoes he’s owned from new.
Seeing this young man, in his brand new Jordans, stand in front of his whole community and take this award... there is hope, goddamnit
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better
bit.ly/2XQM1ke
This is cool as hell and I'm really glad you were able to teach this guy a trade
My dad did something similar with the brother of his barber; poor guy had just gotten out of jail and was really depressed about not being able to get a job
Now he runs his own flooring company with work crews, owns a house and a nice car, and is able to support his wife and kids after bringing his wife over from their homeland; it's also nice to know Dad's skills were passed on and are being put to good use
The trades helped my Dad get out of poverty and in general are an excellent stepping stone towards the middle class if you can find an apprenticeship to get the skills you need
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