Didn't read it word for word but read the "who at the university knew" section pretty carefully.
1) Was reported to Don Canham repeatedly.
2) Was reported to Schembechler repeatedly.
3) One football player alleged his position coach used trips to Anderson as a threatened punishment, which is by far the most disturbing allegation in the whole report.
Definitely feels time to rename Schembechler Hall and Canham Natatorium like...yesterday.
I don't like taking the names off buildings, don't erase history. Just add to the buildings name- like how places will rename roads near embassies.
Schembechler "The Sex Abuse Enabler" Hall and Don "The Molester Support" Canham Natatorium
Put it on all the signage and shit.
Taking a name off a building isn't erasing history, it's removing an honor.
There's a part of me that thinks they should have their name moved to the Schembechler Memorial Urinal or Don Canham Garbage Chute, but that's just being cheeky.
Wipe out their legacy, no names on buildings or plaques or anything special. Put black tape over their names on the trophies. Make it pointed and obvious why that's the case and make sure everyone knows that's what will happen to them if it comes out they enabled this bullshit, even if it doesn't come out until a decade after they are dead and buried. The legacy is all they care about, so make sure they know it will be burned and salted if and when it ever comes out they turned a blind eye to this abuse.
Didn't read it word for word but read the "who at the university knew" section pretty carefully.
1) Was reported to Don Canham repeatedly.
2) Was reported to Schembechler repeatedly.
3) One football player alleged his position coach used trips to Anderson as a threatened punishment, which is by far the most disturbing allegation in the whole report.
Definitely feels time to rename Schembechler Hall and Canham Natatorium like...yesterday.
I don't like taking the names off buildings, don't erase history. Just add to the buildings name- like how places will rename roads near embassies.
Schembechler "The Sex Abuse Enabler" Hall and Don "The Molester Support" Canham Natatorium
Put it on all the signage and shit.
Taking a name off a building isn't erasing history, it's removing an honor.
There's a part of me that thinks they should have their name moved to the Schembechler Memorial Urinal or Don Canham Garbage Chute, but that's just being cheeky.
Wipe out their legacy, no names on buildings or plaques or anything special. Put black tape over their names on the trophies. Make it pointed and obvious why that's the case and make sure everyone knows that's what will happen to them if it comes out they enabled this bullshit, even if it doesn't come out until a decade after they are dead and buried. The legacy is all they care about, so make sure they know it will be burned and salted if and when it ever comes out they turned a blind eye to this abuse.
Name the sewage plant after them.
And sully John Oliver by association?
There is something attractive about leaving the statues and plaques in place but making all the sordid details of what these people did and how they were enabled explicit and obvious somehow. Change it from an honor for the recipient to a monument to shame for the people who gave them that honor. After all, the main problem wasn't that these people were monsters, it's that they were known to be be monsters and allowed to continue being monsters in return for winning in various forms of sportsball.
Shut up, Mr. Burton! You were not brought upon this world to get it!
Didn't read it word for word but read the "who at the university knew" section pretty carefully.
1) Was reported to Don Canham repeatedly.
2) Was reported to Schembechler repeatedly.
3) One football player alleged his position coach used trips to Anderson as a threatened punishment, which is by far the most disturbing allegation in the whole report.
Definitely feels time to rename Schembechler Hall and Canham Natatorium like...yesterday.
I don't like taking the names off buildings, don't erase history. Just add to the buildings name- like how places will rename roads near embassies.
Schembechler "The Sex Abuse Enabler" Hall and Don "The Molester Support" Canham Natatorium
Put it on all the signage and shit.
Taking a name off a building isn't erasing history, it's removing an honor.
There's a part of me that thinks they should have their name moved to the Schembechler Memorial Urinal or Don Canham Garbage Chute, but that's just being cheeky.
Wipe out their legacy, no names on buildings or plaques or anything special. Put black tape over their names on the trophies. Make it pointed and obvious why that's the case and make sure everyone knows that's what will happen to them if it comes out they enabled this bullshit, even if it doesn't come out until a decade after they are dead and buried. The legacy is all they care about, so make sure they know it will be burned and salted if and when it ever comes out they turned a blind eye to this abuse.
Name the sewage plant after them.
And sully John Oliver by association?
There is something attractive about leaving the statues and plaques in place but making all the sordid details of what these people did and how they were enabled explicit and obvious somehow. Change it from an honor for the recipient to a monument to shame for the people who gave them that honor. After all, the main problem wasn't that these people were monsters, it's that they were known to be be monsters and allowed to continue being monsters in return for winning in various forms of sportsball.
Also add a plaque detailing all the people who enabled their actions, the people whose job should have been to stop them, the ones who should have been aware but did not speak up, the ones who looked otherway or actively aided.
Or remove the plaque and extract as much wealth as possible from their estate to give to their victims while going after others guilty.
Graham B. Spanier, the former president of Pennsylvania State University, must serve two months in jail followed by two months of house arrest for his role in a child abuse scandal that rocked the university a decade ago, a judge reaffirmed on Wednesday, according to prosecutors.
The judge, John A. Boccabella, upheld the sentence he issued four years ago after Mr. Spanier, 72, was found guilty of one misdemeanor count of endangering the welfare of a child.
Prosecutors said Mr. Spanier had failed to report child abuse allegations to law enforcement officials when he learned that Jerry Sandusky, an assistant coach of the vaunted Nittany Lions football team, had been seen abusing a boy in a locker room shower on campus.
Mr. Spanier must report to the Centre County Correctional Facility in Bellefonte, Pa., to begin serving the sentence on July 9, prosecutors said.
“He made a mistake and he’s going to pay for his mistake, but I don’t consider him to be a danger to society as I would a criminal,” Judge Boccabella said in the Dauphin County Court of Common Pleas, according to The Associated Press.
On one hand, it's good that his jail sentence was upheld, as short as it is. On the other hand, the judge's comments are fucking enraging, and show why crimes involving the wealthy aren't taken seriously.
Sure he's been convicted of a crime, but he's not a criminal.
It's the same sort of language as that which disgraced ex-judge Aaron Persky used to refer to convicted rapist Brock Turner, and it continues to be revolting.
Afffluent white men make "mistakes" when they rape someone, and we shouldn't hold it against them, we shouldn't let it ruin their lives.
But if a poor person of color ever commits any non-violent offense ever, they are "no angel," and anything unjust that ever happens to them, up to and including summary execution by police, well that's just a consequence of their actions.
Schembechler's own kid is going to come forward as an Anderson victim tomorrow and say he told his dad about it. WTFFFFFFFF
Wow, I was reading the story of his interview with Detroit News and it was bad.
Apparently when he (Matt Schembechler) was a 10 year old getting a physical he told Bo he was molested. (Bo was too cheap to send them to their doctor so used Anderson) Bo punched his 10 year old son in the chest and said he didnt want to hear it. This was in 1969.
Bo's wife / Matts mom then went to the Athletic Director who immediately fired Anderson, but Bo forced them to bring Anderson back because he needed his team doctor.
What a piece of shit, and what did Anderson have on him? I'm sure he was prescribing steroids and uppers and all kinds of shit.
Take his name off the building tomorrow, what a fucking disgrace.
And if Harbaugh doesn't change his tune, he needs to be removed as well.
FWIW, his actual quote:
“I can tell you this: Bo Schembechler, there was nothing that I saw the times that I was a kid here, my dad was on the staff, or when I played here, he never sat on anything, he never procrastinated on anything,” Harbaugh said last week. “He took care of it before the sun went down. That’s the Bo Schembechler that I know. There was nothing that ever was swept under the rug or ignored. He addressed everything in a timely fashion. That’s the Bo Schembechler that I know.”
Does not surprise me he doesn't want believe this about the man that was his second father, basically.
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Well he’s lucky Bo wasn’t his actual father, given what we learned today.
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Man fuck you and your apologetic hagiography. Rosenberg needs to be fired and shunned from sports writing immediately.
Bo knew everything. Talking to my dad, he said Bo was proud he knew if a jock strap that could have been washed was thrown away.
He knew and didn't care. And it's no surprised no minors came forward for a doctor who (almost exclusively) treated college athletes aside from Bo's cheapness.
Pull his statues down, take his name off everything, put black tape over his name wherever you can't grind it off. And if Harbaugh wants to defend him, kick his ass to the curb.
I wonder how much of this was just the whole mid 20th century cultural norm that well established white men never did anything wrong, and if they were accused of it then it was probably the accuser who should be punished. A kid accuses a well known doctor of a sexual crime and it's "how dare this snot nosed brat insult a good man like that". I mean this is the same time period when Catholic Priests were getting away with rape en masse using that same argument.
It's not an excuse, but it might explain how it happened.
I wonder how much of this was just the whole mid 20th century cultural norm that well established white men never did anything wrong, and if they were accused of it then it was probably the accuser who should be punished. A kid accuses a well known doctor of a sexual crime and it's "how dare this snot nosed brat insult a good man like that". I mean this is the same time period when Catholic Priests were getting away with rape en masse using that same argument.
It's not an excuse, but it might explain how it happened.
Oh no that is exactly the case. Probably with a substantial 'do you know how hard it is to find a good team doctor who is loose with a prescription book'.
The whole point is Bo could have stopped it...not even that. Actively prevented it from being stopped by people even in that era were trying to stop it. And at least 800 people were raped or molested as a result after he got Anderson rehired in 1969. That is staggeringly damning.
Anderson would have been fired, moved on, probably ended up somewhere else to do the same thing like a priest but in this one there is a very clear named enabler. Bo Schembechler.
Could we use a different verb there, please? I know what you mean, but word choice is not great.
Comparing things to rape victims is generally a questionable idea, but I think it's safe to make an exception for literally comparing rape victims to rape victims.
Could we use a different verb there, please? I know what you mean, but word choice is not great.
Comparing things to rape victims is generally a questionable idea, but I think it's safe to make an exception for literally comparing rape victims to rape victims.
Sure but at the same time cheeky one-liners when talking about rape victims strikes me as not great.
I don't know if enlightenedbum meant it to be that but it's absolutely how it reads.
Anyone defending Bo needs to go. I'm very deeply looking into how much pressure I can put on my...'as UM staff and football fan...' to make them tear down that statue.
Anyone defending Bo needs to go. I'm very deeply looking into how much pressure I can put on my...'as UM staff and football fan...' to make them tear down that statue.
Yeah, the only response to "I don't want to attack the victims, but" is "your last check will be in the mail, security will escort you off campus, don't come to the games."
Basically my feeling is the evidence against Bo is enough for me to condemn him, but might not be enough to condemn a mentor. But to go so far as to say a guy was kicked off the team for drugs so we can't trust him is beyond the pale.
Especially given that there's a decent shot the abuse led to the drug use.
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DOJ OIG: For over a year, the FBI offices in Indianapolis and LA biffed its Larry Nassar investigation--failing to even refer reports of sexual assault from USA Gymnastics and the victim gymnasts to the appropriate field office.
So does the OIG go on to name names or tell us why the FBI field officers weren't taking this layup of a case?
The report documents copious lying to investigators by the FBI agents in Indianapolis, including by the then Special Agent in Charge and a Senior Special Agent who more or less forged a 302 a year-and-a-half after the fact, but none of them are going to be charged.
No seriously, were they Nassar's buddies? Did he pass pics onto them or was otherwise bribing him? What the hell FBI? Why were your officers standing around with a thumb up their ass?
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DOJ OIG: For over a year, the FBI offices in Indianapolis and LA biffed its Larry Nassar investigation--failing to even refer reports of sexual assault from USA Gymnastics and the victim gymnasts to the appropriate field office.
So does the OIG go on to name names or tell us why the FBI field officers weren't taking this layup of a case?
The report documents copious lying to investigators by the FBI agents in Indianapolis, including by the then Special Agent in Charge and a Senior Special Agent who more or less forged a 302 a year-and-a-half after the fact, but none of them are going to be charged.
No seriously, were they Nassar's buddies? Did he pass pics onto them or was otherwise bribing him? What the hell FBI? Why were your officers standing around with a thumb up their ass?
Let me answer my own question there with the OIG's report:
Separately, the OIG found that Abbott violated the FBI’s conflicts of interest policy by meeting with Penny to discuss the U.S. Olympic Committee job and later communicating with Penny about the job opportunity in the midst of the other communications and the proposed FBI public statement described above. We further found that, under federal ethics regulations, Abbott exercised extremely poor judgment by failing to consult with a designated agency ethics official regarding his ongoing involvement in Nassar investigation discussions at the same time he was seeking Penny’s help and guidance about a U.S. Olympic Committee job opportunity.
What this conclusion is saying is that Special Agent in Charge of the Indianapolis field office, one W. Jay Abbot, ditched the entire investigation of the case as he pursued a position with the US Olympic Committee. Like, did exactly almost nothing and then stalled telling anyone else about it when he should have. When it was determined by his office that the case should have gone to the FBI in Detroit, Abbot instead sat on it. When contacted by the FBI in Los Angles over the same accusations but from a different source, he lied and told them the case was already in the Detroit's office hands. When confronted with all of the evidence that he lied and lied and lied about what happened and when with the case, Abbot doubled down on his double down and lied some more. This time to the OIG.
Murderously, aggravatingly, maddeningly stupid is this tidbit in the conclusion of the report:
The Department declined prosecution of Abbott and the Indianapolis SSA in September 2020. Just prior toand following these declinations, the OIG was able to compel interviews of the Indianapolis SSA and several other FBI witnesses who had declined voluntary interviews and whom we were previously unable to compel to participate in interviews due to the ongoing criminal investigation and their Fifth Amendment privilege against self-incrimination. Following these interviews, we were able to complete our administrative investigation. In addition, on May 14, 2021, the Department notified the OIG that it was not opening a new matter to investigate whether the Indianapolis SSA made false statements during his compelled OIG interviews.
W H A T T H E F U C K
Everyone who dropped the ball gets off scot-free and no one gets publicly punished. Sure Abbot has retired, but as noted elsewhere, it was retire with full benes. Anyone who followed his orders is probably never going to advance but that's not the same as being brought to heel for fucking up the case. Not to mention that Abbot actions were no accident. The man needs to be shunted into the poor house and off his cushy FBI retirement for this.
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In further injustice news, Nassar has yet to pay into the federal victim's fun while enjoying several thousand dollars flowing through his commissary account.
“Nassar has paid approximately $8.33 toward his criminal monetary penalties per month, despite receiving deposits into his account over this period totaling $12,825.00,” said the filing by Assistant U.S. Attorney Joel Fauson. It reported Nassar’s current account balance as $2,041.57.
The Washington Post reported last month that the bureau allows inmates to keep unlimited amounts of money in their accounts and effectively shields much of that money from collection by various entities, leaving the Justice Department in the odd position of having to file court cases to force one of its own agencies to turn over money owed to crime victims or for other debts.
That seems dubious and probably should be better ran on an individual basis. But that would require people, and people can make mistakes and/or be bribed, so instead we have this blanket rule which really puts a crimp into things.
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USAG doubles their settlement offer and it has been provisionally accepted by Nassar survivors, though they have to hold a formal vote on it is my understanding.
$425 million
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In further injustice news, Nassar has yet to pay into the federal victim's fun while enjoying several thousand dollars flowing through his commissary account.
“Nassar has paid approximately $8.33 toward his criminal monetary penalties per month, despite receiving deposits into his account over this period totaling $12,825.00,” said the filing by Assistant U.S. Attorney Joel Fauson. It reported Nassar’s current account balance as $2,041.57.
The Washington Post reported last month that the bureau allows inmates to keep unlimited amounts of money in their accounts and effectively shields much of that money from collection by various entities, leaving the Justice Department in the odd position of having to file court cases to force one of its own agencies to turn over money owed to crime victims or for other debts.
That seems dubious and probably should be better ran on an individual basis. But that would require people, and people can make mistakes and/or be bribed, so instead we have this blanket rule which really puts a crimp into things.
He spent $10k this month while in prison on prison commissary stuff? I know that prison fees and commisaries are all part of the fuckbarrel system, but that seems dubious.
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In further injustice news, Nassar has yet to pay into the federal victim's fun while enjoying several thousand dollars flowing through his commissary account.
“Nassar has paid approximately $8.33 toward his criminal monetary penalties per month, despite receiving deposits into his account over this period totaling $12,825.00,” said the filing by Assistant U.S. Attorney Joel Fauson. It reported Nassar’s current account balance as $2,041.57.
The Washington Post reported last month that the bureau allows inmates to keep unlimited amounts of money in their accounts and effectively shields much of that money from collection by various entities, leaving the Justice Department in the odd position of having to file court cases to force one of its own agencies to turn over money owed to crime victims or for other debts.
That seems dubious and probably should be better ran on an individual basis. But that would require people, and people can make mistakes and/or be bribed, so instead we have this blanket rule which really puts a crimp into things.
He spent $10k this month while in prison on prison commissary stuff? I know that prison fees and commisaries are all part of the fuckbarrel system, but that seems dubious.
Could be hooking up a bunch of fellow inmates with stuff to avoid physical altercations/buy protection. Our prison system is completely fucked up and needs burned to the ground, but one consistent truth is most people in long-term lock up loath child predators and will go out of their way to make their lives miserable.
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Name the sewage plant after them.
History is a discipline and a process. It is not names on plaques.
And sully John Oliver by association?
There is something attractive about leaving the statues and plaques in place but making all the sordid details of what these people did and how they were enabled explicit and obvious somehow. Change it from an honor for the recipient to a monument to shame for the people who gave them that honor. After all, the main problem wasn't that these people were monsters, it's that they were known to be be monsters and allowed to continue being monsters in return for winning in various forms of sportsball.
Or remove the plaque and extract as much wealth as possible from their estate to give to their victims while going after others guilty.
On one hand, it's good that his jail sentence was upheld, as short as it is. On the other hand, the judge's comments are fucking enraging, and show why crimes involving the wealthy aren't taken seriously.
It's the same sort of language as that which disgraced ex-judge Aaron Persky used to refer to convicted rapist Brock Turner, and it continues to be revolting.
But if a poor person of color ever commits any non-violent offense ever, they are "no angel," and anything unjust that ever happens to them, up to and including summary execution by police, well that's just a consequence of their actions.
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Wow, I was reading the story of his interview with Detroit News and it was bad.
Apparently when he (Matt Schembechler) was a 10 year old getting a physical he told Bo he was molested. (Bo was too cheap to send them to their doctor so used Anderson) Bo punched his 10 year old son in the chest and said he didnt want to hear it. This was in 1969.
Bo's wife / Matts mom then went to the Athletic Director who immediately fired Anderson, but Bo forced them to bring Anderson back because he needed his team doctor.
What a piece of shit, and what did Anderson have on him? I'm sure he was prescribing steroids and uppers and all kinds of shit.
Take his name off the building tomorrow, what a fucking disgrace.
https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2021/06/09/schembechler-son-discuss-anderson-say-he-told-dad-abuse/7622194002/
This is somehow even worse than Paterno, not that it's a completion.
Edit - or forced Penn State to hire Sandusky back twice!!! (by all appearances) when administrators did the right thing and fired him.
FWIW, his actual quote:
Does not surprise me he doesn't want believe this about the man that was his second father, basically.
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Man fuck you and your apologetic hagiography. Rosenberg needs to be fired and shunned from sports writing immediately.
Bo knew everything. Talking to my dad, he said Bo was proud he knew if a jock strap that could have been washed was thrown away.
He knew and didn't care. And it's no surprised no minors came forward for a doctor who (almost exclusively) treated college athletes aside from Bo's cheapness.
Pull his statues down, take his name off everything, put black tape over his name wherever you can't grind it off. And if Harbaugh wants to defend him, kick his ass to the curb.
Edit- for the younger generation it was a Bo Jackson ad campaign in the 80s / 90s but Schembechler did cameos where the slogan was 'bo knows'
It's not an excuse, but it might explain how it happened.
Oh no that is exactly the case. Probably with a substantial 'do you know how hard it is to find a good team doctor who is loose with a prescription book'.
The whole point is Bo could have stopped it...not even that. Actively prevented it from being stopped by people even in that era were trying to stop it. And at least 800 people were raped or molested as a result after he got Anderson rehired in 1969. That is staggeringly damning.
Anderson would have been fired, moved on, probably ended up somewhere else to do the same thing like a priest but in this one there is a very clear named enabler. Bo Schembechler.
Edit: thank you.
Comparing things to rape victims is generally a questionable idea, but I think it's safe to make an exception for literally comparing rape victims to rape victims.
Sure but at the same time cheeky one-liners when talking about rape victims strikes me as not great.
I don't know if enlightenedbum meant it to be that but it's absolutely how it reads.
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Yeah, the only response to "I don't want to attack the victims, but" is "your last check will be in the mail, security will escort you off campus, don't come to the games."
Especially given that there's a decent shot the abuse led to the drug use.
So does the OIG go on to name names or tell us why the FBI field officers weren't taking this layup of a case?
No seriously, were they Nassar's buddies? Did he pass pics onto them or was otherwise bribing him? What the hell FBI? Why were your officers standing around with a thumb up their ass?
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Let me answer my own question there with the OIG's report:
What this conclusion is saying is that Special Agent in Charge of the Indianapolis field office, one W. Jay Abbot, ditched the entire investigation of the case as he pursued a position with the US Olympic Committee. Like, did exactly almost nothing and then stalled telling anyone else about it when he should have. When it was determined by his office that the case should have gone to the FBI in Detroit, Abbot instead sat on it. When contacted by the FBI in Los Angles over the same accusations but from a different source, he lied and told them the case was already in the Detroit's office hands. When confronted with all of the evidence that he lied and lied and lied about what happened and when with the case, Abbot doubled down on his double down and lied some more. This time to the OIG.
Murderously, aggravatingly, maddeningly stupid is this tidbit in the conclusion of the report:
W H A T T H E F U C K
Everyone who dropped the ball gets off scot-free and no one gets publicly punished. Sure Abbot has retired, but as noted elsewhere, it was retire with full benes. Anyone who followed his orders is probably never going to advance but that's not the same as being brought to heel for fucking up the case. Not to mention that Abbot actions were no accident. The man needs to be shunted into the poor house and off his cushy FBI retirement for this.
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From The Washington Post:
That seems dubious and probably should be better ran on an individual basis. But that would require people, and people can make mistakes and/or be bribed, so instead we have this blanket rule which really puts a crimp into things.
$425 million
He spent $10k this month while in prison on prison commissary stuff? I know that prison fees and commisaries are all part of the fuckbarrel system, but that seems dubious.
Could be hooking up a bunch of fellow inmates with stuff to avoid physical altercations/buy protection. Our prison system is completely fucked up and needs burned to the ground, but one consistent truth is most people in long-term lock up loath child predators and will go out of their way to make their lives miserable.
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