I will be okay with this if they literally give him rubber prosthetic arms that he can fling out and they smack into things like one of those stretchy sticky hands you got as a kid.
This would be extremely funny. They should go full b movie hand made stuff. Sanji's leg should actually be on fire.
the scooby do live action films had a real good shaggy
Not sure if this is the joke here, but it's worth noting that the live action Shaggy is also the long time voice of Shaggy for the past twenty years
Anyway I don't think there's necessarily no merit in live action adaptations, but One Piece is extremely unsuited to it insofar as it is very cartoon-y in its action, both combat and otherwise, and character designs and proportions in a way that just plain doesn't map to live action.
He did the live action movie first, it's what got him the cartoon voice part.
The live action Velma was also given a big part in the Mystery Inc cartoon where she plays a character that ends up replacing Daphne on the team when Daphne leaves for a while.
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I would just like to reiterate that welcome to demon school iruma-kun has been the best anime in both seasons it aired in and is always such a breath of fresh air that I’m suggesting it to everyone I can, and to you the person in the thread reading this
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I would just like to reiterate that welcome to demon school iruma-kun has been the best anime in both seasons it aired in and is always such a breath of fresh air that I’m suggesting it to everyone I can, and to you the person in the thread reading this
iruma is great because it is darkly cynically comic, yet somehow eternally optimistic "weird high school" comedy that occasionally breaks out into a competent, compelling shounen battle show about diversity making people stronger which somehow nails the tone for all of those things. mostly it's just hilarious.
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It’s like early the simpsons; every joke hits, every emotional beat is resonant, every action sequence is exciting, every romance is beautiful. a perfect anime
I would just like to reiterate that welcome to demon school iruma-kun has been the best anime in both seasons it aired in and is always such a breath of fresh air that I’m suggesting it to everyone I can, and to you the person in the thread reading this
I'm behind on Iruma but yes, show rules and doesn't get discussed enough.
Fena Pirate Princess is contuining to be real good, just low key apperntly! But i'm really enjoying it and it's getting wild. This week's ep had a DnD dungeon, minus the monsters.
Counter point, because this week's episode was bad enough for me to drop it, it's been tremendously boring. Every episode is just everybody standing around declaring that this mewling teenage idiot is the chosen one, destined by fate to... be the chosen one for reasons and purposes unknown to anybody. No dawning calamity. No great quest. She's simply the Star Child who they must all follow as she wanders aimlessly from one infodump to the next. Like, shit, the entire episode this week was stumbling into a labyrinth grave dungeon where they tell her to tap into her protagonist power to lead them to the end. And... she does. That's it. That's 90% of the episode.
There's no overall story in it to speak of. No episode has been driven by any internal story or character arc. There's been one actual action scene across five episodes in a show ostensibly about pirates and ninjas, possibly because they have to fill every waking moment with pregnant implication that there's something meaningful about the protagonist's destiny, but we're five episodes in. Enough fucking around and throw a bone already.
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I'm having a hard time believing that the isekai magical school anime about a generic male MC who immediately makes a bunch of friends/starts a harem by being average and nice, then gets rated as the weakest one at the school but is secretly the strongest and can even defeat his teacher...is actually secretly really good.
I feel like I've heard the same thing about a couple of isekai every season, that this is 'the good one'.
I'm having a hard time believing that the isekai magical school anime about a generic male MC who immediately makes a bunch of friends/starts a harem by being average and nice, then gets rated as the weakest one at the school but is secretly the strongest and can even defeat his teacher...is actually secretly really good.
I feel like I've heard the same thing about a couple of isekai every season, that this is 'the good one'.
that's because that's not really the show at all? like those things aren't entirely accurate because most of the time they are deliberately subverted and even so, being reduced to genre tropes in no way ever really judges the quality of media to me. like, i don't care if something is "an isekai" or has a "generic MC". those seem like hollowest, most pointless criticisms to me, like i don't really need everything to be novel when i am approaching something, it doesn't matter if it is in a genre, but weather it succeeds at being a good story on its own terms.
this is not to say that those things being qualities you don't care for makes you wrong; if you're not going to enjoy something because that kind of thing grates on your tastes then fine. it just has never been a deal breaking thing to me that something has genre tropes. for me, the way the show tweaks those things and has fun characters and good joke writing is enough for it be worthwhile.
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I'm having a hard time believing that the isekai magical school anime about a generic male MC who immediately makes a bunch of friends/starts a harem by being average and nice, then gets rated as the weakest one at the school but is secretly the strongest and can even defeat his teacher...is actually secretly really good.
I feel like I've heard the same thing about a couple of isekai every season, that this is 'the good one'.
A ton of how well a fantasy works for people is how it is executed.
Also if the MC is actually generic or a precious cinnamon roll that must be protected at all costs
like those things aren't entirely accurate because most of the time they are deliberately subverted
At least this didn't take long.
Look I never said I could read.
OH WAIT THAT POST WAS ACTUALLY AFTER MY POST NOBODY SAID ANYTHING ABOUT IT BEING SUBVERSIVE EXCEPT YOU UNTIL YOU PRIMED THE CONVERSATION ACTUALLY EAT A BUTT.
Or better yet watch Iruma-kun, the very cute very fun show about a kid who has an inability to say no to any request given to him trying his best not to be literally eaten by his friends and teachers.
Or better yet watch Iruma-kun, the very cute very fun show about a kid who has an inability to say no to any request given to him trying his best not to be literally eaten by his friends and teachers.
This just sounds like the kid from Xros Wars, except that had Digimon gattai mechs.
Or better yet watch Iruma-kun, the very cute very fun show about a kid who has an inability to say no to any request given to him trying his best not to be literally eaten by his friends and teachers.
This just sounds like the kid from Xros Wars, except that had Digimon gattai mechs.
Hell yeah, my idiocy lives on!
(watch the show it's good)
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eh too salty.
point is i like the show, i don't care about if my point about not caring about cliches is itself cliched.
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Apologies but I didn't mean to say that Iruma-kun specifically was subversive (I've not watched a frame of it), I was just generalizing because that's just a big schtick of modern isekai I really hate.
REALLY sorry for the confusion there.
well, to clarify, i was using the term kind of literally but it is a loaded term in the Red Letter Media kind of way. like, when I say it subverts some of the genre tropes, it makes them into clever jokes and then takes the implications serious when the story requires it while continuing to make jokes.
like, instead of having the protag's parents be tragically dead or missing, nah they were just jerks and sold him to a demon because they suck in comically extreme ways, but when that needs to have emotional weight it does. execution is what is clever not just that it was different.
it's not that it does tweak things but the way it does that makes it quality. obviously there is a lot of "subversion" that is just done to mask other shortcomings.
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I'm amazed something like that even made the list when there's at least a half dozen power fantasy isekais and like five idol shows this season. Corny, goofy Engrish hardly seems like that big a sin. It's probably the CGI. Or I don't know, everything else, because passable writing seems to be at a premium.
Side note, I was curious and hit Wikipedia, and apparently the drug store isekai this season that had a conversion therapy chapter in the manga decided to skip that. It has had multiple bits about inventing date rape drugs though.
I think Sonny Boy or Idaten would get my vote as the best of the season with the qualifier that neither are great. Definitely echoing other people here that it's a pretty bleh season unless you like idols or isekai power fantasies. Sonny Boy is more an exercise in trying to parse out surrealist nonsense each week, which is better than nothing. Idaten is like speedrunning generic shounen. Every episode drastically shifts the status quo, and it's juggling an ensemble cast pretty decently, but it's quite gratuitous and crass, and most of the time, the developments are very asspully, but at least it's one that changes things rather than an excuse to maintain the status quo, and none of them are egregiously stupid (eg like Wonder Egg's). Still, I know Mappa can do way the fuck better with a fighting show better than this.
Next season has a disturbing number of mecha shows, for what it's worth. Still not totally my jam, but better.
What feels to me like the worst part of this season isn't that most of the new shows aren't great, but that the returning shows that I was into feel like they're mostly a step down from their previous seasons.
Honestly, there are days where I feel the desire to "avoid cliches" and "subvert expectations" has done more to damage fiction than any amount of Mary Sues ever will.
I saw Girlfriend Girlfriend on some trash lists and don't see why.
It's not amazing, but it's funny and I like the characters. It's just a group of idiots trying to make a poly relationship work. It's nice to just chill with something dumb and funny.
Avoiding cliches quickly becomes something where you can predict entire works because they are trying to avoid cliches instead of just thinking about how well it would work for the story as a whole
Avoiding cliches quickly becomes something where you can predict entire works because they are trying to avoid cliches instead of just thinking about how well it would work for the story as a whole
And nine times out of ten, it's less avoiding cliches and more announcing that something is a cliche, that the characters are self-aware about it being a cliche, and then doing it anyway.
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“The reason that clichés become clichés is that they are the hammers and screwdrivers in the toolbox of communication.” ― Terry Pratchett
“The reason that clichés become clichés is that they are the hammers and screwdrivers in the toolbox of communication.” ― Terry Pratchett
But that doesn't mean that you can just throw hammers and screwdrivers out there, announce that these are hammers and screwdrivers that other people have used to build neat things, and call it a day. Or should be using a hammer to saw a piece of wood. Or however else you want to torture this analogy into a painful death.
It's more that stories that resonate with people and are effectively told tend to have things in common because we have a shared cultural way of communicating, and means and values that are reflected in it. That something has shared cliched doesn't make it inherently bad, but it definitely doesn't make it inherently good either. Nor is the lack of them (or rejection of them) inherently a good or bad thing. Overtly announcing the cliches of a story or character is pretty rarely a sign of writing that actually understands what they are and how to use them though, and aping something superficially that you don't really understand why it works never turns out well.
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No, it just means if a show is good it's good and the cliches have nothing to do with it one way or another.
I don't really have a side in this conversation because I haven't watched the show I just noticed people were saying "its cliche so its bad" or "its subverting cliche tho!" and it's like, cliches are just communication. This is like saying "it has dialogue". Everything has these things.
What's important is "is it good?"
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We all know what happens when you become focused on subversion
You get the final season of Game of Thrones
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Nobody likes Sonny Boy but me?
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Isekai is a kinda genius idea really. Take a person from our world, put it in a strange one. The reader doesn't have to struggle with figuring out how to relate to the characters in the other world because the main character does it for them. Done well it really works. Done badly, it's as bad as anything else done badly.
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Like the warden in the final fight in Riki Oh.
He did the live action movie first, it's what got him the cartoon voice part.
The live action Velma was also given a big part in the Mystery Inc cartoon where she plays a character that ends up replacing Daphne on the team when Daphne leaves for a while.
iruma is great because it is darkly cynically comic, yet somehow eternally optimistic "weird high school" comedy that occasionally breaks out into a competent, compelling shounen battle show about diversity making people stronger which somehow nails the tone for all of those things. mostly it's just hilarious.
(Which, to be fair, it's been an extremely weak season)
I'm behind on Iruma but yes, show rules and doesn't get discussed enough.
Counter point, because this week's episode was bad enough for me to drop it, it's been tremendously boring. Every episode is just everybody standing around declaring that this mewling teenage idiot is the chosen one, destined by fate to... be the chosen one for reasons and purposes unknown to anybody. No dawning calamity. No great quest. She's simply the Star Child who they must all follow as she wanders aimlessly from one infodump to the next. Like, shit, the entire episode this week was stumbling into a labyrinth grave dungeon where they tell her to tap into her protagonist power to lead them to the end. And... she does. That's it. That's 90% of the episode.
There's no overall story in it to speak of. No episode has been driven by any internal story or character arc. There's been one actual action scene across five episodes in a show ostensibly about pirates and ninjas, possibly because they have to fill every waking moment with pregnant implication that there's something meaningful about the protagonist's destiny, but we're five episodes in. Enough fucking around and throw a bone already.
Always been one of my favorite actors since he beat the living hell out of rednecks and neo-nazis in SLC Punk.
I feel like I've heard the same thing about a couple of isekai every season, that this is 'the good one'.
It's just very funny and cute. Sometimes things can just be fun and good.
that's because that's not really the show at all? like those things aren't entirely accurate because most of the time they are deliberately subverted and even so, being reduced to genre tropes in no way ever really judges the quality of media to me. like, i don't care if something is "an isekai" or has a "generic MC". those seem like hollowest, most pointless criticisms to me, like i don't really need everything to be novel when i am approaching something, it doesn't matter if it is in a genre, but weather it succeeds at being a good story on its own terms.
this is not to say that those things being qualities you don't care for makes you wrong; if you're not going to enjoy something because that kind of thing grates on your tastes then fine. it just has never been a deal breaking thing to me that something has genre tropes. for me, the way the show tweaks those things and has fun characters and good joke writing is enough for it be worthwhile.
At least this didn't take long.
A ton of how well a fantasy works for people is how it is executed.
Also if the MC is actually generic or a precious cinnamon roll that must be protected at all costs
Look I never said I could read.
OH WAIT THAT POST WAS ACTUALLY AFTER MY POST NOBODY SAID ANYTHING ABOUT IT BEING SUBVERSIVE EXCEPT YOU UNTIL YOU PRIMED THE CONVERSATION ACTUALLY EAT A BUTT.
This just sounds like the kid from Xros Wars, except that had Digimon gattai mechs.
Hell yeah, my idiocy lives on!
(watch the show it's good)
point is i like the show, i don't care about if my point about not caring about cliches is itself cliched.
well, to clarify, i was using the term kind of literally but it is a loaded term in the Red Letter Media kind of way. like, when I say it subverts some of the genre tropes, it makes them into clever jokes and then takes the implications serious when the story requires it while continuing to make jokes.
like, instead of having the protag's parents be tragically dead or missing, nah they were just jerks and sold him to a demon because they suck in comically extreme ways, but when that needs to have emotional weight it does. execution is what is clever not just that it was different.
it's not that it does tweak things but the way it does that makes it quality. obviously there is a lot of "subversion" that is just done to mask other shortcomings.
I'm amazed something like that even made the list when there's at least a half dozen power fantasy isekais and like five idol shows this season. Corny, goofy Engrish hardly seems like that big a sin. It's probably the CGI. Or I don't know, everything else, because passable writing seems to be at a premium.
Side note, I was curious and hit Wikipedia, and apparently the drug store isekai this season that had a conversion therapy chapter in the manga decided to skip that. It has had multiple bits about inventing date rape drugs though.
I think Sonny Boy or Idaten would get my vote as the best of the season with the qualifier that neither are great. Definitely echoing other people here that it's a pretty bleh season unless you like idols or isekai power fantasies. Sonny Boy is more an exercise in trying to parse out surrealist nonsense each week, which is better than nothing. Idaten is like speedrunning generic shounen. Every episode drastically shifts the status quo, and it's juggling an ensemble cast pretty decently, but it's quite gratuitous and crass, and most of the time, the developments are very asspully, but at least it's one that changes things rather than an excuse to maintain the status quo, and none of them are egregiously stupid (eg like Wonder Egg's). Still, I know Mappa can do way the fuck better with a fighting show better than this.
Next season has a disturbing number of mecha shows, for what it's worth. Still not totally my jam, but better.
Honestly, there are days where I feel the desire to "avoid cliches" and "subvert expectations" has done more to damage fiction than any amount of Mary Sues ever will.
It's not amazing, but it's funny and I like the characters. It's just a group of idiots trying to make a poly relationship work. It's nice to just chill with something dumb and funny.
And nine times out of ten, it's less avoiding cliches and more announcing that something is a cliche, that the characters are self-aware about it being a cliche, and then doing it anyway.
But that doesn't mean that you can just throw hammers and screwdrivers out there, announce that these are hammers and screwdrivers that other people have used to build neat things, and call it a day. Or should be using a hammer to saw a piece of wood. Or however else you want to torture this analogy into a painful death.
It's more that stories that resonate with people and are effectively told tend to have things in common because we have a shared cultural way of communicating, and means and values that are reflected in it. That something has shared cliched doesn't make it inherently bad, but it definitely doesn't make it inherently good either. Nor is the lack of them (or rejection of them) inherently a good or bad thing. Overtly announcing the cliches of a story or character is pretty rarely a sign of writing that actually understands what they are and how to use them though, and aping something superficially that you don't really understand why it works never turns out well.
I don't really have a side in this conversation because I haven't watched the show I just noticed people were saying "its cliche so its bad" or "its subverting cliche tho!" and it's like, cliches are just communication. This is like saying "it has dialogue". Everything has these things.
What's important is "is it good?"
You get the final season of Game of Thrones
That too can be a plus, since its familiar, they can get to the important parts of the story quickly.
It's like a super speedy exposition but you already know everything so they can just give you the cliffnotes.