That's fair. It's just kinda odd to see them experimenting with the TM system, when it feels like they had it down back in Sun and Moon, with infinite-use TMs.
I'm pretty sure they had some one use TMs again back in Sword/Shield, mostly for the 'competitive' moves, like Earthquake. It at least seems easier to get multiples in Scarlet/Violet with the crafting system.
Well yeah, that is true. It just seems odd to keep trying to fix it when they had (in my opinion) the best version of the mechanic in Sun and Moon.
But then, they can't stop tinkering with stuff, it seems. I'm sorta surprised that regional variants have remained a consistent feature in the series, for example.
The game does have very obvious jank I do agree. While I kind of love going into random houses is gone it does seem to lessen the world I guess. Also the camera is jankiest when going to doors that don't open heh. Shop load in I would say is worse than game load in. And the fps drop in distance is, of course, still a thing and you notice it in the city a lot. For me these aren't all that big of a deal.
I would say the game performs much better than sword and shield. And this game is much more "open world" comparatively.
This game is hilariously jank. Just forcing me to walk until I enter a new zone where suddenly I can run.
The game opens with character creation. No preamble, no intro to the world, no title screen: just straight to character creation. This game must be bewildering to newbies, lol.
The first patch is gonna be massive at this rate.
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I was really excited but my amazon order got delayed, so I'm tempted to switch to digital but all the reports of performance issues are bumming me out. Still good anyway? The reddit for pokemon is dire but I can't tell if that's overblown or it really is a mess.
Kotaku's got an article on the glitches in this game that is just dripping with vitriol, but is it really that bad?
Kotaku's opinions tend to be either 'best thing ever!' or 'worse than the devil himself, and you are bad for liking it!' with not much subtlety or anything in between. I'd take it with a grain of salt.
That said, there definitely are performance issues from what little I've seen (just from brief clips. Haven't had a chance to fire up the game yet myself). Whether they are enough to prevent enjoyment will depend on the player. I figure, much like Arceus, for me the issues will be noticeable, but tolerable, but your millage may vary. To me Arceus was a game that, even if it had been at N64 level graphics and performance, it was still fundamentally a good game, and I suspect this one will be similar.
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I can see now why performance became a bigger factor in reviews than it was in SWSH and Legends. Its so much more noticeable/in your face here. Less than three hours in the game and it feels technically rough to say the least. Oof.
Its still fun though. Going to be a lot of compliment sandwhiching going on once I get further in I imagine as I start to see more of the ups and downs.
Got to get those clicks in today's age. I think the games performance is better than the prior 3d offerings so far. Good thing about today's age is the general availability of vids to watch and make up your own mind. Probably staying away from review types and such.
I'm not going to pretend the game performs spectacularly, but honestly, outside of the way that animations go into "faraway distance frame saving mode" when people are ten meters away, which does look really rough, I'm really not finding anything that strikes me as much noteworthy for the couple hours I've played. This ain't the XY Omega-level slowdowns or anything.
The funny thing about dividing the games into two separate versions and then associating the separate versions with different arbitrary symbols is it causes people to plant their flags in whichever game's symbol most appeals to them, regardless of the other features of the game itself. I strongly suspect that, say, Pokemon Red outsold Pokemon Blue, simply because, even if you add cannons to the turtle, a turtle simply doesn't have the cachet of a fire-breathing dragon. I don't know how it shook out for other versions, but I feel like there's probably a similar lopsidedness to the sales of the individual versions, even on something as simple as the individual color if the box legendaries aren't sufficiently distinct (as in Black and White).
All this to say that I set out on my trip to the local Target fully intending to buy a copy of Pokemon Scarlet, but with the idea in the back of my head that I needed to be prepared for the eventuality that they might only have copies of Violet. And it's a good thing I did, because Pokemon Scarlet was fucking obliterated. Like, multiple empty shelves labeled "Pokemon Scarlet" level of destroyed. "Here's where we'd put our copies of Pokemon Scarlet... IF WE HAD ANY!!!" type out of stock. (Within three hours of the store opening.) And right below that? Absolutely full stock of Pokemon Violet. Dozens upon dozens of boxes with that poor electric motorbike dragon pleading to be picked up. So, as is my usual trend, I'm in team "blue version". Let me know if y'all ever need a Violet version exclusive.
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The funny thing about dividing the games into two separate versions and then associating the separate versions with different arbitrary symbols is it causes people to plant their flags in whichever game's symbol most appeals to them, regardless of the other features of the game itself. I strongly suspect that, say, Pokemon Red outsold Pokemon Blue, simply because, even if you add cannons to the turtle, a turtle simply doesn't have the cachet of a fire-breathing dragon. I don't know how it shook out for other versions, but I feel like there's probably a similar lopsidedness to the sales of the individual versions, even on something as simple as the individual color if the box legendaries aren't sufficiently distinct (as in Black and White).
All this to say that I set out on my trip to the local Target fully intending to buy a copy of Pokemon Scarlet, but with the idea in the back of my head that I needed to be prepared for the eventuality that they might only have copies of Violet. And it's a good thing I did, because Pokemon Scarlet was fucking obliterated. Like, multiple empty shelves labeled "Pokemon Scarlet" level of destroyed. "Here's where we'd put our copies of Pokemon Scarlet... IF WE HAD ANY!!!" type out of stock. (Within three hours of the store opening.) And right below that? Absolutely full stock of Pokemon Violet. Dozens upon dozens of boxes with that poor electric motorbike dragon pleading to be picked up. So, as is my usual trend, I'm in team "blue version". Let me know if y'all ever need a Violet version exclusive.
... caveman waifu stronk.
I can't deal with the "wheel" on Scarlet's legend and then it's just galloping arounnd.
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I can understand how “fire dragon” could appeal more than “water turtle with some cannons” (even though Blastoise is totally cooler) but I’m struggling on how this applies to Scarlet/Violet
Both Legendaries are dragon lizard things, just one is like prehistoric feather bike and one is sci-fi electric rocket, what makes Scarlet so much more appealing?
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I can understand how “fire dragon” could appeal more than “water turtle with some cannons” (even though Blastoise is totally cooler) but I’m struggling on how this applies to Scarlet/Violet
Both Legendaries are dragon lizard things, just one is like prehistoric feather bike and one is sci-fi electric rocket, what makes Scarlet so much more appealing?
Red is a much more popular color as compared to Purple.
All this to say that I set out on my trip to the local Target fully intending to buy a copy of Pokemon Scarlet, but with the idea in the back of my head that I needed to be prepared for the eventuality that they might only have copies of Violet. And it's a good thing I did, because Pokemon Scarlet was fucking obliterated. Like, multiple empty shelves labeled "Pokemon Scarlet" level of destroyed. "Here's where we'd put our copies of Pokemon Scarlet... IF WE HAD ANY!!!" type out of stock. (Within three hours of the store opening.) And right below that? Absolutely full stock of Pokemon Violet. Dozens upon dozens of boxes with that poor electric motorbike dragon pleading to be picked up. So, as is my usual trend, I'm in team "blue version". Let me know if y'all ever need a Violet version exclusive.
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Huh. I would not have called that. I'd have thought the sci-fi dragon would be more appealing than the chunky dinosaur.
I can understand how “fire dragon” could appeal more than “water turtle with some cannons” (even though Blastoise is totally cooler) but I’m struggling on how this applies to Scarlet/Violet
Both Legendaries are dragon lizard things, just one is like prehistoric feather bike and one is sci-fi electric rocket, what makes Scarlet so much more appealing?
Sorry, that specific example is a non-sequitur to the rest of the post. It's not specifically about the monster on the box, but about any minor differentiation that might wind up having an outsize effect on people's preferences between what are otherwise essentially identical products.
And then, in the very last sentence, I lay my experience with the lopsided availability of Scarlet vs. Violet at the feet of the difference between the Pokémon professors between versions.
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I went with Scarlet since the more old/traditional/non-futuristic look appealed to me and because the derpy lizard bike that has wheels but runs on all fours anyway is my kind of critter.
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I can understand how “fire dragon” could appeal more than “water turtle with some cannons” (even though Blastoise is totally cooler) but I’m struggling on how this applies to Scarlet/Violet
Both Legendaries are dragon lizard things, just one is like prehistoric feather bike and one is sci-fi electric rocket, what makes Scarlet so much more appealing?
Sorry, that specific example is a non-sequitur to the rest of the post. It's not specifically about the monster on the box, but about any minor differentiation that might wind up having an outsize effect on people's preferences between what are otherwise essentially identical products.
And then, in the very last sentence, I lay my experience with the lopsided availability of Scarlet vs. Violet at the feet of the difference between the Pokémon professors between versions.
True, sorry, not accusing you of saying that was the definite reason, more just curious what it is actually driving Scarlet
I appreciate it’s the professors for you, but I feel like that wouldn’t be a big factor overall. I could be wrong!
I guess like shoeboxjeddy said, it’s probably simply the colors
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it was between dom mom and hot dad thats it and thats all
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Despite thinking the Violet legendary looks way better than the big stupid fire dragon, I still picked up scarlet because cool lady professor + prehistoric vibes
And then, spoilers for like 5-10 minutes into the game
immediately fell in love with the big stupid fire dragon's walk cycle (he looks so dumb!), and now I'm even more convinced I made the right choice
The more I play this the more I love it. I can see the issues people have with it but for me the fun open world and open story is refreshing. And I just did my first terra raid thing and those are sooo much more fun than the lairs and adventure raid things from last gen.
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i always pick the less popular version, but this time i genuinely preferred it. it started with red / blue, when i let my little sister have red rather than fight her about it, and it’s been like that every generation since, even though we don’t share a house, a game system, or even a country any more.
anyway, i liked the Violet legendary more, the future theme less, but the hot dad professor is an additional huge bonus.
You can reset spawns by going into Picnic mode and leaving. No sound for Shiny spawns is a really weird choice and a number of color blind shiny hunters are very upset about it.
What’s up with the rival characters choosing the disadvantageous type these days?
I mean, Nemona already has a collection of Pokémon (she’s basically playing on new game +), so it’s not like the game is making your rival bad at the game, but it feels weird. Made more sense in Black/White as a contrast between Cheren and Bianca.
You can reset spawns by going into Picnic mode and leaving. No sound for Shiny spawns is a really weird choice and a number of color blind shiny hunters are very upset about it.
Yeah, in PLA I'm pretty sure I would have missed shinies if not for the sound
A bit worried about missing them in this game. Especially since many of them are so tiny
What’s up with the rival characters choosing the disadvantageous type these days?
I mean, Nemona already has a collection of Pokémon (she’s basically playing on new game +), so it’s not like the game is making your rival bad at the game, but it feels weird. Made more sense in Black/White as a contrast between Cheren and Bianca.
I think it makes sense for Nemona.
She's an experienced trainer and you literally got your first pokemon two seconds ago.
Little did she know you're a pokégenius with knowledge from your past lives
I saw that there is a mystery gift for a flying Pikachu, is this something that we can reset for ideal nature or does it save automatically like in the past?
I saw that there is a mystery gift for a flying Pikachu, is this something that we can reset for ideal nature or does it save automatically like in the past?
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I saw that there is a mystery gift for a flying Pikachu, is this something that we can reset for ideal nature or does it save automatically like in the past?
Something I heard about that might improve framerate issues, though I haven't personally compared it yet: in the Switch system settings, you can lock the display output for the TV mode to specific resolutions. Busting it down to 720p from 1080p can take some of the render load off the game if your willing to sacrifice resolution.
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But then, they can't stop tinkering with stuff, it seems. I'm sorta surprised that regional variants have remained a consistent feature in the series, for example.
I would say the game performs much better than sword and shield. And this game is much more "open world" comparatively.
The first patch is gonna be massive at this rate.
Kotaku's opinions tend to be either 'best thing ever!' or 'worse than the devil himself, and you are bad for liking it!' with not much subtlety or anything in between. I'd take it with a grain of salt.
That said, there definitely are performance issues from what little I've seen (just from brief clips. Haven't had a chance to fire up the game yet myself). Whether they are enough to prevent enjoyment will depend on the player. I figure, much like Arceus, for me the issues will be noticeable, but tolerable, but your millage may vary. To me Arceus was a game that, even if it had been at N64 level graphics and performance, it was still fundamentally a good game, and I suspect this one will be similar.
Its still fun though. Going to be a lot of compliment sandwhiching going on once I get further in I imagine as I start to see more of the ups and downs.
All this to say that I set out on my trip to the local Target fully intending to buy a copy of Pokemon Scarlet, but with the idea in the back of my head that I needed to be prepared for the eventuality that they might only have copies of Violet. And it's a good thing I did, because Pokemon Scarlet was fucking obliterated. Like, multiple empty shelves labeled "Pokemon Scarlet" level of destroyed. "Here's where we'd put our copies of Pokemon Scarlet... IF WE HAD ANY!!!" type out of stock. (Within three hours of the store opening.) And right below that? Absolutely full stock of Pokemon Violet. Dozens upon dozens of boxes with that poor electric motorbike dragon pleading to be picked up. So, as is my usual trend, I'm in team "blue version". Let me know if y'all ever need a Violet version exclusive.
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I can't deal with the "wheel" on Scarlet's legend and then it's just galloping arounnd.
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Both Legendaries are dragon lizard things, just one is like prehistoric feather bike and one is sci-fi electric rocket, what makes Scarlet so much more appealing?
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Red is a much more popular color as compared to Purple.
Huh. I would not have called that. I'd have thought the sci-fi dragon would be more appealing than the chunky dinosaur.
. . .
Anyway, I picked Pokémon Scarlet.
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Sorry, that specific example is a non-sequitur to the rest of the post. It's not specifically about the monster on the box, but about any minor differentiation that might wind up having an outsize effect on people's preferences between what are otherwise essentially identical products.
And then, in the very last sentence, I lay my experience with the lopsided availability of Scarlet vs. Violet at the feet of the difference between the Pokémon professors between versions.
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True, sorry, not accusing you of saying that was the definite reason, more just curious what it is actually driving Scarlet
I appreciate it’s the professors for you, but I feel like that wouldn’t be a big factor overall. I could be wrong!
I guess like shoeboxjeddy said, it’s probably simply the colors
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And then, spoilers for like 5-10 minutes into the game
anyway, i liked the Violet legendary more, the future theme less, but the hot dad professor is an additional huge bonus.
I mean, Nemona already has a collection of Pokémon (she’s basically playing on new game +), so it’s not like the game is making your rival bad at the game, but it feels weird. Made more sense in Black/White as a contrast between Cheren and Bianca.
Yeah, in PLA I'm pretty sure I would have missed shinies if not for the sound
A bit worried about missing them in this game. Especially since many of them are so tiny
I think it makes sense for Nemona.
She's an experienced trainer and you literally got your first pokemon two seconds ago.
Little did she know you're a pokégenius with knowledge from your past lives
Good lord, how bad is the economy in this world?
And Arven is pulling some 21 Jump Street.
I know about foraging pigs who can sniff out things like truffles. But what do pigs have to do with cologne specifically?
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Aw shucks. Thanks!
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