HacksawJ. Duggan Esq.Wrestler at LawRegistered Userregular
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Movies are so narcissistic that they had to put their award shows on multiple mediums so people would know exactly how special they think they are, starting back in the early 40s. Press releases weren't good enough; they had to televise that shit against everyone's will!
The Tonys didn't even start broadcasting their award ceremonies until the late 60s!
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HacksawJ. Duggan Esq.Wrestler at LawRegistered Userregular
Don't they also make plays about the making of plays?
I can name about three plays about making plays and about forty movies about making movies, to say nothing of the amount of "Behind the scenes" feature length films about the making of a film that people somehow don't consider to be films themselves.
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HacksawJ. Duggan Esq.Wrestler at LawRegistered Userregular
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They have whole TV shows dedicated to making movies and other, pretend TV shows!
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ShadowfireVermont, in the middle of nowhereRegistered Userregular
Don't they also make plays about the making of plays?
I can name about three plays about making plays and about forty movies about making movies, to say nothing of the amount of "Behind the scenes" feature length films about the making of a film that people somehow don't consider to be films themselves.
Sure but I could name a gazillion movies that don't do that. I think maybe we're getting hung up on the art form vs the type of art narcissists are attracted to, here.
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StraightziHere we may reign secure, and in my choice,To reign is worth ambition though in HellRegistered Userregular
Don't they also make plays about the making of plays?
I can name about three plays about making plays and about forty movies about making movies, to say nothing of the amount of "Behind the scenes" feature length films about the making of a film that people somehow don't consider to be films themselves.
Sure but I could name a gazillion movies that don't do that. I think maybe we're getting hung up on the art form vs the type of art narcissists are attracted to, here.
I cannot imagine a bigger narcissist than the type who wishes to see their image projected onto a massive screen in movie houses the world over.
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PiptheFairFrequently not in boats.Registered Userregular
Don't they also make plays about the making of plays?
I can name about three plays about making plays and about forty movies about making movies, to say nothing of the amount of "Behind the scenes" feature length films about the making of a film that people somehow don't consider to be films themselves.
Sure but I could name a gazillion movies that don't do that. I think maybe we're getting hung up on the art form vs the type of art narcissists are attracted to, here.
I cannot imagine a bigger narcissist than the type who wishes to see their image projected onto a massive screen in movie houses the world over.
what about buying twitter
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HacksawJ. Duggan Esq.Wrestler at LawRegistered Userregular
Don't they also make plays about the making of plays?
I can name about three plays about making plays and about forty movies about making movies, to say nothing of the amount of "Behind the scenes" feature length films about the making of a film that people somehow don't consider to be films themselves.
Sure but I could name a gazillion movies that don't do that. I think maybe we're getting hung up on the art form vs the type of art narcissists are attracted to, here.
I cannot imagine a bigger narcissist than the type who wishes to see their image projected onto a massive screen in movie houses the world over.
Some people just, like, make movies because they think they're cool, and they think other people might enjoy them. Like all the other kinds of art!
But I don't think anyone ever did a self-portrait (except for practice shit, obviously) that wasn't narcissistic at some level.
I would even go so far as to say a director or screenplay writer could only truly be going about it with narcissistic intent if they cast themself in the movie, as well. Except for The Havermans or shit like that, which, yeah, you right.
Movies are so narcissistic that they had to put their award shows on multiple mediums so people would know exactly how special they think they are, starting back in the early 40s. Press releases weren't good enough; they had to televise that shit against everyone's will!
The Tonys didn't even start broadcasting their award ceremonies until the late 60s!
Not to mention that a sure way to win a movie award is to make a movie about how great Hollywood is! You can even take it further and make a movie about how great filmmaking is AND how great you personally are as a filmmaker to really get the narcissism going!
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PwnanObrienHe's right, life sucks.Registered Userregular
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Music should win this hands down because when movies are entirely self-aggrandizing egocentric works of mediocrity trying to be something grandiose it's The Room. It's thoroughly mocked and derided for being an expensive way to masturbate in public.
Question: Which form of art includes a generally celebrated performance that is roughly 75% someone explaining how and why they wear sunglasses at night?
Gotta go with music. The barrier to entry is pretty low and your audience is everyone nearby whether they want to be or not. So it's gonna attract more narcissists by volume. Go to any coffee shop on a friday night and you'll see someone who thinks their most recent breakup is something people will enjoy if accompanied by an acoustic guitar
You can't force everyone in a 30 yard radius to read your book or look at your painting
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If there's any form of art I tend to associate with people who are actually self-aggrandizing and a little too full of themselves, it's like, experimental one-person theatre or the equivalent kind of dance (edit: performance art also generally fits the bill here)
Installation sculpture artists and architects are a close second, followed by a certain flavor of avant-garde painter
Though if we expand the definition of art a bit, some of the worst offenders I've ever met were in bad metalcore bands ca 2009-2013
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Thinking it over, performance art isn't necessarily the most narcissistic, but it is the one that shows off the narcissism the best because there isn't much else to it to distract you from the narcissism.
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StraightziHere we may reign secure, and in my choice,To reign is worth ambition though in HellRegistered Userregular
Thinking it over, performance art isn't necessarily the most narcissistic, but it is the one that shows off the narcissism the best because there isn't much else to it to distract you from the narcissism.
Can you elaborate on that?
I suspect we may be defining the narcissism differently, which has been par for the course with this whole thread, but I don't really see what you mean with regards to there not being much to distract you.
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FencingsaxIt is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understandingGNU Terry PratchettRegistered Userregular
To be fair, some of those movies about making movies are pretty good see: Inception, Menu
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StraightziHere we may reign secure, and in my choice,To reign is worth ambition though in HellRegistered Userregular
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I would not call The Menu a movie about making movies?
It's just about Noma
Like yeah, indirectly it is, sure, because it's about the creative process on a wider level, but it's also specifically about restaurant culture in such a way that I feel like calling it a movie about movies is ignoring the forest for the trees
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FencingsaxIt is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understandingGNU Terry PratchettRegistered Userregular
I would not call The Menu a movie about making movies?
It's just about Noma
Like yeah, indirectly it is, sure, because it's about the creative process on a wider level, but it's also specifically about restaurant culture in such a way that I feel like calling it a movie about movies is ignoring the forest for the trees
A good point
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MrMonroepassed outon the floor nowRegistered Userregular
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Is Inception a movie about making movies? I thought it was about the nature of the Self and how awesome CGI is.
I would not call The Menu a movie about making movies?
It's just about Noma
Like yeah, indirectly it is, sure, because it's about the creative process on a wider level, but it's also specifically about restaurant culture in such a way that I feel like calling it a movie about movies is ignoring the forest for the trees
Hey now it's not just about Noma, it also hates Chef's Table and Instagram.
Thinking it over, performance art isn't necessarily the most narcissistic, but it is the one that shows off the narcissism the best because there isn't much else to it to distract you from the narcissism.
Can you elaborate on that?
I suspect we may be defining the narcissism differently, which has been par for the course with this whole thread, but I don't really see what you mean with regards to there not being much to distract you.
When a narcissistic film maker makes a film, there's a film to watch. When a narcissistic musician makes music you get to hear a song. The art, even if created by a extremely narcissistic person, is still standing on its own somewhat and you don't have to think about the artist at all. You don't really have that same or as much of the same split between the artist and the art with performance art. ...Depending on the performance, it's a bit of a nebulous genre. But for the most part performance art is the artist using themselves in some way to create the art. So it's pretty hard to get away from the artist.
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StraightziHere we may reign secure, and in my choice,To reign is worth ambition though in HellRegistered Userregular
But like, there's still art there that you could experience?
Like, you say it's different than music, but when a musician is making music I can hear them doing it - that's the whole point. They're fundamentally there and a part of it. Unless we're talking about a composer and not a performer I guess?
True, I'm probably affected by my main form of music consumption being recorded music, where the music (song) is divorced from the artist.
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DepressperadoI just wanted to see you laughingin the pizza rainRegistered Userregular
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I have recently accidentally gotten into the local shoegaze/indie pop scene and like, dope, this is exactly my thing except everybody is 23 and I'm like... a grown-up?
so all of these bands I really like are four awkward young adults and I'm like
I know it doesn't really matter, but it does is the thing.
I like to say that I'm a writer, which can be very narcissistic, but I'm way too self-aware to get a proper narcissism going
neuroticism, though, I am a professional, top of the class
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PwnanObrienHe's right, life sucks.Registered Userregular
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Well, last night I watched worst of 2022 videos from both Todd in the Shadows and Anthony Fantano.
...and I would like to triple down on my answer. Like imagine if in 2022 two out of five new pieces of visual art were like "Rodin's The Thinker but it's better because I made it and also The Thinker is me." The only other takeaway I think you can have from music in 2022 is that the continued infantilization of culture might be hitting music the hardest.
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3cl1ps3I will build a labyrinth to house the cheeseRegistered Userregular
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I really liked a lot of albums that came out in 2022. It was in many ways a better year than 2021 for music.
I also don't pay attention to or care about popular/mainstream music.
These facts are probably related!
anyway Anthony Fantano is a guy who thinks you can listen to music wrong so I dunno do with that information what you will I guess.
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jmcdonaldI voted, did you?DC(ish)Registered Userregular
the most narcissistic part of art is the art critic
someone who thinks their like/dislike of something is important enough to matter to people other than themselves
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StraightziHere we may reign secure, and in my choice,To reign is worth ambition though in HellRegistered Userregular
Hello pretentious art thread.
Last night I went to a production of Macbeth Muet, a two person clown/mime retelling of the Scottish Play performed with masks, puppets, and absolutely no dialogue (a couple of vocalizations and some brief lip syncing though).
It kicked an incredible amount of ass. It veered largely towards comedy, as you might expect, with numerous characters represented as styrofoam cups full of fake blood that got violently stabbed or ripped asunder, but also managed some incredible pathos for some impressive emotional whiplash.
Here's a trailer, which sort of gets at the general vibe:
Anyways it's a traveling show doing a couple of festivals right now it looks like so on the off chance you happen to be in Chicago tonight or Houston this weekend, look it up.
Last night I went to a production of Macbeth Muet, a two person clown/mime retelling of the Scottish Play performed with masks, puppets, and absolutely no dialogue (a couple of vocalizations and some brief lip syncing though).
It kicked an incredible amount of ass. It veered largely towards comedy, as you might expect, with numerous characters represented as styrofoam cups full of fake blood that got violently stabbed or ripped asunder, but also managed some incredible pathos for some impressive emotional whiplash.
Here's a trailer, which sort of gets at the general vibe:
Anyways it's a traveling show doing a couple of festivals right now it looks like so on the off chance you happen to be in Chicago tonight or Houston this weekend, look it up.
theater kid spotted!
seriously though that actually sounds really cool
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StraightziHere we may reign secure, and in my choice,To reign is worth ambition though in HellRegistered Userregular
The lynchpin refocusing of the show was based around some occasionally neglected lines from Lady Macbeth that reveal that she has recently suffered a late term miscarriage or a child dying in infancy. It is very significant to her and to her husband that they have been unable to have kids, and is often considered a driving motivation behind her character.
The show presents this information in the form of a small comic montage showing her and Macbeth falling in love, getting married, and miming sex. There are six eggs on the table at the start of this scene, and she picks up the first, accidentally crushing it in her hands. This repeats, and repeats, and repeats, until all of the eggs are gone, becoming more and more tragic with each repetition.
This would be really good in isolation, it's an incredible bit of work. But then they actually hang the show on it. A little bit later we get a flashback showing Banquo falling in love with his wife (who tragically dies in childbirth) and raising his son, immediately dovetailing into a scene where Macbeth doesn't seem to know how to interact with children and, knowing the prophecy given to Banquo by the witches, subsequently attempts to have them both killed. And then comes along Macduff, where we get all of the sex scenes (acted out with a pair of gloves, in this instance) of the Macbeths, but each one leaves a surviving egg on stage. When Macbeth shows up to seethingly crush those eggs and beat the oven mitt representing Lady Macduff to death, you get a whole lot more depth than you usually do.
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The Tonys didn't even start broadcasting their award ceremonies until the late 60s!
I can name about three plays about making plays and about forty movies about making movies, to say nothing of the amount of "Behind the scenes" feature length films about the making of a film that people somehow don't consider to be films themselves.
Ahhh right.
TED talks, then.
Sure but I could name a gazillion movies that don't do that. I think maybe we're getting hung up on the art form vs the type of art narcissists are attracted to, here.
Not to the self congratulatory extent they do movies and television, if you ask me
I cannot imagine a bigger narcissist than the type who wishes to see their image projected onto a massive screen in movie houses the world over.
what about buying twitter
Parallel venture.
But I don't think anyone ever did a self-portrait (except for practice shit, obviously) that wasn't narcissistic at some level.
I would even go so far as to say a director or screenplay writer could only truly be going about it with narcissistic intent if they cast themself in the movie, as well. Except for The Havermans or shit like that, which, yeah, you right.
Not to mention that a sure way to win a movie award is to make a movie about how great Hollywood is! You can even take it further and make a movie about how great filmmaking is AND how great you personally are as a filmmaker to really get the narcissism going!
...when music does the same it's Kanye West.
You can't force everyone in a 30 yard radius to read your book or look at your painting
"Not only will everyone want to know my opinion on this Wikipedia article I just found, but surely they must want to hear it in my voice with none of the levels adjusted properly"
Installation sculpture artists and architects are a close second, followed by a certain flavor of avant-garde painter
Though if we expand the definition of art a bit, some of the worst offenders I've ever met were in bad metalcore bands ca 2009-2013
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Hollywood fuckin loves movies about how important and magical movies are
please vote for The Fabelmans this award season, when you think about it, it's really a vote for the whole industry
It's performance art, I guess, but you're forcing everybody to include you in their travel experience with little to no recourse
Can you elaborate on that?
I suspect we may be defining the narcissism differently, which has been par for the course with this whole thread, but I don't really see what you mean with regards to there not being much to distract you.
It's just about Noma
Like yeah, indirectly it is, sure, because it's about the creative process on a wider level, but it's also specifically about restaurant culture in such a way that I feel like calling it a movie about movies is ignoring the forest for the trees
A good point
Hey now it's not just about Noma, it also hates Chef's Table and Instagram.
Like, you say it's different than music, but when a musician is making music I can hear them doing it - that's the whole point. They're fundamentally there and a part of it. Unless we're talking about a composer and not a performer I guess?
so all of these bands I really like are four awkward young adults and I'm like
I know it doesn't really matter, but it does is the thing.
I like to say that I'm a writer, which can be very narcissistic, but I'm way too self-aware to get a proper narcissism going
neuroticism, though, I am a professional, top of the class
...and I would like to triple down on my answer. Like imagine if in 2022 two out of five new pieces of visual art were like "Rodin's The Thinker but it's better because I made it and also The Thinker is me." The only other takeaway I think you can have from music in 2022 is that the continued infantilization of culture might be hitting music the hardest.
I also don't pay attention to or care about popular/mainstream music.
These facts are probably related!
anyway Anthony Fantano is a guy who thinks you can listen to music wrong so I dunno do with that information what you will I guess.
someone who thinks their like/dislike of something is important enough to matter to people other than themselves
Last night I went to a production of Macbeth Muet, a two person clown/mime retelling of the Scottish Play performed with masks, puppets, and absolutely no dialogue (a couple of vocalizations and some brief lip syncing though).
It kicked an incredible amount of ass. It veered largely towards comedy, as you might expect, with numerous characters represented as styrofoam cups full of fake blood that got violently stabbed or ripped asunder, but also managed some incredible pathos for some impressive emotional whiplash.
Here's a trailer, which sort of gets at the general vibe:
Anyways it's a traveling show doing a couple of festivals right now it looks like so on the off chance you happen to be in Chicago tonight or Houston this weekend, look it up.
Has he said that?
I've watched a decent amount of his videos and he's never said anything like that.
Also, if he has, what does he mean by that?
theater kid spotted!
seriously though that actually sounds really cool
The show presents this information in the form of a small comic montage showing her and Macbeth falling in love, getting married, and miming sex. There are six eggs on the table at the start of this scene, and she picks up the first, accidentally crushing it in her hands. This repeats, and repeats, and repeats, until all of the eggs are gone, becoming more and more tragic with each repetition.
This would be really good in isolation, it's an incredible bit of work. But then they actually hang the show on it. A little bit later we get a flashback showing Banquo falling in love with his wife (who tragically dies in childbirth) and raising his son, immediately dovetailing into a scene where Macbeth doesn't seem to know how to interact with children and, knowing the prophecy given to Banquo by the witches, subsequently attempts to have them both killed. And then comes along Macduff, where we get all of the sex scenes (acted out with a pair of gloves, in this instance) of the Macbeths, but each one leaves a surviving egg on stage. When Macbeth shows up to seethingly crush those eggs and beat the oven mitt representing Lady Macduff to death, you get a whole lot more depth than you usually do.
Anyways, theatre, it's cool!