I'm not a redditor, but is this implying that site is dying? Have people moved on to something else? Something that perhaps doesn't have a total shit interface? I honestly can't ever understand how Reddit caught on to begin with. The site's design is terrible.
Reddit is clamping down on third-party apps using their API, effectively killing off some popular apps. In response, a lot of subreddits went dark for the last couple days in protest. Reddit isn’t dying, though - mainly because of a lack of a better alternative.
I'm not a redditor, but is this implying that site is dying? Have people moved on to something else? Something that perhaps doesn't have a total shit interface? I honestly can't ever understand how Reddit caught on to begin with. The site's design is terrible.
It references that most subs went dark for the past few days to protest a few changes in how Reddit is running the site and API.
By clamping down and changes, people mean they slapped on a $20 million annual fee, yes. An enormous number of subreddits, including several of the most popular front page ones, went private in protest.
Reddit has since backed down and said they'll allow programs intended for moderation to continue, which was the biggest source of objection, so things might calm down or they might not.
Yeah I'm not a redditor but the scuttlebutt I heard was that the API fees they were proposing were far beyond reasonable. Like many of the 3rd party so people were willing to pay but it was like 20x what anybody expected.
Also a side affect of so many subs going private was that it apparently caused problems with the app loading anything.
My assumption is Reddit is playing API users like a fiddle to inflate their revenue via making an absolutely absurd initial demand, then making a second offer that is construed as an "improvement/compromise", but would have normally also have been rejected out of hand had it been the initial offer instead.
I didn’t realize just how time I spent on reddit at work. Most subs I look at are down and I’ve got nothing to do. I guess I’ll go for a walk or something.
Negative, you are not cynical. I repeat, Red Leader, you are Not cynical. You are on the nose, fire all tubes.
Posturing is an excuse a lot of people use for maniacs like Baylon Tusk, or Taynald Rump, to claim they're intelligent, when they're just swinging their d-wolves around trying to make the world adjust for Contrast on their philosophical view tubes so that the Epstein's don't look "that bad". But this commander dork of this company reddit is starting to jump on the stupid rich 1984 train (right over a shark) that Tycho's talking about, and reddit has been playing a lawful-neutral demeanor for so long that they had some clout levels to spend and permanently lose on this raise dead, but we know their nature, we'll find out how many willpower points they can spend.
I hope they get knocked to level 1 and lose their last CON point from this if this is how he's going to treat his audience though. A business can't live off of destroying it's free work force. Their ad revenue must be insane, its like tribbles up in that b lately.
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Looks like he was talking to Rusty Nails. Don't ask him about his handle. You don't wanna know what Rusty nails.
By clamping down and changes, people mean they slapped on a $20 million annual fee, yes. An enormous number of subreddits, including several of the most popular front page ones, went private in protest.
Reddit has since backed down and said they'll allow programs intended for moderation to continue, which was the biggest source of objection, so things might calm down or they might not.
To be fair, it appears this $20 million figure that I've seen tossed around in several places is specifically what it was estimated to cost the Apollo app to stay up and running for a year. I've never heard of it, but apparently it's considered to be the most popular Reddit app on iOS. So, it's not like everyone is getting a bill for $20 million to use Reddit's API.
"It's just as I've always said. We are being digested by an amoral universe."
No, but Reddit are asking 20-30x more per access than other platforms. That's not "we want to make some money from all these API calls" pricing. That's "get the fuck off our platform" charging.
If someone builds a bridge and charges a 10 dollar toll to cross it, well that's a bit of an oof but yeah, ok, they have costs to cover.
If they charge 300 dollars, they just don't really want people walking over it. What Louis Rossman called "Fuck You pricing".
Reddit is solely concerned with making people use their app so they can ram advertising into your field of view.
Reddit is solely concerned with making people use their app so they can ram advertising into your field of view.
One of the many reasons I refuse to install site specific apps for any sort of online browsing beyond a generic web browser that allows me to install things like uBlock. And no, I will not disable it, dear site owner, unless you sign liability paperwork that assumes responsibility for any damage your third party ads do to my computer, which have been abused as an attack vector before. No, I will not install your data harvesting tool that opens another hole in my security either.
No, I don't care that you have taken a digital pill and that it should be safe to go raw. The computer condom stays on.
On a lighter note:
Two things: one, CB stands for Citizen's Band. That's really beautiful in a way. And second, if a bunch of your favorite subreddits go down, Ham Radio is not an effective substitute.
I guess that *really* depends on what your favorite subreddits are. 🤨
unless you sign liability paperwork that assumes responsibility for any damage your third party ads do to my computer, which have been abused as an attack vector before.
Even many tech savvy people I speak to don't understand this. There are MANY MANY sites that host ads locally on their servers OR THEIR DOMAIN so that the ads bypass almost every ad blocker; bypasses all ad blockers except for the ones that block All pictures, which turns all sites into just words, which is fine to some if thats what they want.
I'm not against ads. I'm not 100% against capitalism (just against 100% capitalism, as no country in the world has that). I'm against the attack and distraction vectors. I can't read a site and will leave it if a video is playing in my face (or even just off to the side) when i'm trying to read something. I just can't read at that point.
As for attacks, if the files for the pictures/videos for the ads aren't secure enough to put on YOUR server (or domain), then why would I trust YOU to put them onto MY pc. WTH, man. So many viruses, phishes, and lies.
The ads someone sells on their site, they just dont want to have to think about it... but then they're a victim of their own laziness too at that point and are just the hilt to the sword hurting their consumers.
I think it kinda sucks that a handful of people (many of whom are hugely self important tbh) can just unilaterally shut down a large subreddit; I get that people don't like that their favorite reader app isn't going to be available anymore but idk, get off the platform then if you wanna
this move is absolutely about reddit pushing their own app, but I mean, if they wanna keep operating the site they do need to make money
Eat it You Nasty Pig. on
hold your head high soldier, it ain't over yet
that's why we call it the struggle, you're supposed to sweat
I mean, it was how it went down on some subs I read; I also don't really agree that either side has any claim to 'democracy', for whatever value that even has in this context
and while he was remarkably tone deaf in his ama he fundamentally just said 'look the site needs to make money and this is a way we can do it'
Eat it You Nasty Pig. on
hold your head high soldier, it ain't over yet
that's why we call it the struggle, you're supposed to sweat
I mean, it was how it went down on some subs I read; I also don't really agree that either side has any claim to 'democracy', for whatever value that even has in this context
and while he was remarkably tone deaf in his ama he fundamentally just said 'look the site needs to make money and this is a way we can do it'
"I" don't like this false "needs to make money" argument. The sites been up for decades, the ads are increasing Right Now even in the recent years. If it weren't "making money" then, surprise, it wouldn't have been up that whole time. It costs money to pay devs, rent domain "ownership", pay off cdn's, pay off ISP's, pay power bills, to rent or own data center space. It's a straw man, they've been making money for decades, he's just pulling political BS to tow the line with the other Richie Rich's who haven't learned the lesson that the world started with a buildup to millions of farmers/gatherers, not millions of billionaires.
Letting users vote for mods will lead to a nightmare site, 100%.
It's like Boaty McBoatFace, except Dicky McDickface, the alt-right troll now gets to moderate the LGBT+ subreddit because of course that's exactly the sort of social engineering trolls on Reddit are great at.
Letting users vote for mods will lead to a nightmare site, 100%. That aside, no doubt in my mind that it's not the users, but Huffman who wants the "landed gentry" removed. The whole "democracy, the users want it" spiel is firmly in the Musk/Trump camp imo
The people with the strongest opinions about moderators are nearly always exactly the people who make moderation necessary. People who don't get modded don't think much about moderators.
Welp, Hoffman came out and straight up said he thinks Musk is a cool guy who does good things with Twitter, and that's an inspiration. Not that it wasn't obvious where this is all coming from, but there you go.
"I too aim to emulate the actions that have cost Musk's shareholders at least $20B. So far. Please subscribe to the Reddit IPO!"
These people are knowingly fucking with us, aren't they? This is like those shitheads than burn £20 notes in front of homeless people, except with million pound notes instead.
Yeah I'm not a redditor but the scuttlebutt I heard was that the API fees they were proposing were far beyond reasonable. Like many of the 3rd party so people were willing to pay but it was like 20x what anybody expected.
Also a side affect of so many subs going private was that it apparently caused problems with the app loading anything.
As someone who occasionally works with APIs for a living, I can tell you the fees were so beyond the industry standards that honestly the only thing I can assume is that the idea was to make nobody actually *use* the API so people would have to use the proprietary Reddit app. Because what in the *fuck* is that price structure.
Letting users vote for mods will lead to a nightmare site, 100%. That aside, no doubt in my mind that it's not the users, but Huffman who wants the "landed gentry" removed. The whole "democracy, the users want it" spiel is firmly in the Musk/Trump camp imo
Does that mean we can vote the ceo out?
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MichaelLCIn what furnace was thy brain?ChicagoRegistered Userregular
Letting users vote for mods will lead to a nightmare site, 100%. That aside, no doubt in my mind that it's not the users, but Huffman who wants the "landed gentry" removed. The whole "democracy, the users want it" spiel is firmly in the Musk/Trump camp imo
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I'm not a redditor, but is this implying that site is dying? Have people moved on to something else? Something that perhaps doesn't have a total shit interface? I honestly can't ever understand how Reddit caught on to begin with. The site's design is terrible.
It references that most subs went dark for the past few days to protest a few changes in how Reddit is running the site and API.
Reddit has since backed down and said they'll allow programs intended for moderation to continue, which was the biggest source of objection, so things might calm down or they might not.
Also a side affect of so many subs going private was that it apparently caused problems with the app loading anything.
Then again, I could just be incredibly cynical.
Negative, you are not cynical. I repeat, Red Leader, you are Not cynical. You are on the nose, fire all tubes.
Posturing is an excuse a lot of people use for maniacs like Baylon Tusk, or Taynald Rump, to claim they're intelligent, when they're just swinging their d-wolves around trying to make the world adjust for Contrast on their philosophical view tubes so that the Epstein's don't look "that bad". But this commander dork of this company reddit is starting to jump on the stupid rich 1984 train (right over a shark) that Tycho's talking about, and reddit has been playing a lawful-neutral demeanor for so long that they had some clout levels to spend and permanently lose on this raise dead, but we know their nature, we'll find out how many willpower points they can spend.
I hope they get knocked to level 1 and lose their last CON point from this if this is how he's going to treat his audience though. A business can't live off of destroying it's free work force. Their ad revenue must be insane, its like tribbles up in that b lately.
To be fair, it appears this $20 million figure that I've seen tossed around in several places is specifically what it was estimated to cost the Apollo app to stay up and running for a year. I've never heard of it, but apparently it's considered to be the most popular Reddit app on iOS. So, it's not like everyone is getting a bill for $20 million to use Reddit's API.
-Tycho Brahe
If someone builds a bridge and charges a 10 dollar toll to cross it, well that's a bit of an oof but yeah, ok, they have costs to cover.
If they charge 300 dollars, they just don't really want people walking over it. What Louis Rossman called "Fuck You pricing".
Reddit is solely concerned with making people use their app so they can ram advertising into your field of view.
I'm trying to decide if the best response to something like this is:
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One of the many reasons I refuse to install site specific apps for any sort of online browsing beyond a generic web browser that allows me to install things like uBlock. And no, I will not disable it, dear site owner, unless you sign liability paperwork that assumes responsibility for any damage your third party ads do to my computer, which have been abused as an attack vector before. No, I will not install your data harvesting tool that opens another hole in my security either.
No, I don't care that you have taken a digital pill and that it should be safe to go raw. The computer condom stays on.
On a lighter note:
I guess that *really* depends on what your favorite subreddits are. 🤨
this move is absolutely about reddit pushing their own app, but I mean, if they wanna keep operating the site they do need to make money
that's why we call it the struggle, you're supposed to sweat
and while he was remarkably tone deaf in his ama he fundamentally just said 'look the site needs to make money and this is a way we can do it'
that's why we call it the struggle, you're supposed to sweat
"I" don't like this false "needs to make money" argument. The sites been up for decades, the ads are increasing Right Now even in the recent years. If it weren't "making money" then, surprise, it wouldn't have been up that whole time. It costs money to pay devs, rent domain "ownership", pay off cdn's, pay off ISP's, pay power bills, to rent or own data center space. It's a straw man, they've been making money for decades, he's just pulling political BS to tow the line with the other Richie Rich's who haven't learned the lesson that the world started with a buildup to millions of farmers/gatherers, not millions of billionaires.
It's like Boaty McBoatFace, except Dicky McDickface, the alt-right troll now gets to moderate the LGBT+ subreddit because of course that's exactly the sort of social engineering trolls on Reddit are great at.
The people with the strongest opinions about moderators are nearly always exactly the people who make moderation necessary. People who don't get modded don't think much about moderators.
"I too aim to emulate the actions that have cost Musk's shareholders at least $20B. So far. Please subscribe to the Reddit IPO!"
These people are knowingly fucking with us, aren't they? This is like those shitheads than burn £20 notes in front of homeless people, except with million pound notes instead.
As someone who occasionally works with APIs for a living, I can tell you the fees were so beyond the industry standards that honestly the only thing I can assume is that the idea was to make nobody actually *use* the API so people would have to use the proprietary Reddit app. Because what in the *fuck* is that price structure.
Does that mean we can vote the ceo out?
Only if he makes a poll.