mine is a camera and it isn't able to discern time limited speed limits like school zones very well so the display will read 15 mph regardless when I drive by cause it just sees the sign
also other context dependent speed limits like some highways have a posted truck speed limit which is not applicable to cars but my car will read it and display it to me anyway
honestly if they're going to do this, they need to consider upping the speed limits on certain highways too
65mph doesn't make much sense for cars of this era given all the safety advancements we've made
This certainly doesn't make my blood boil, but I also generally stay in that speed range anyhow. Most everyone else I know definitely doesn't.
The only case I can immediately think of where I wouldn't want a hard ceiling would be when an 18 wheeler decides it really wants to merge into my lane, the only open path is in front of me, and I'd better get out of the way fast.
I would say it's wrong just because of the technical nightmare implementation would be. Cars deciding they can only go 35 on a freeway or 75-35-75 in the span of a few feet, etc. And also 10MPH isn't enough for emergency maneuvers in some situations.
I would say it's wrong just because of the technical nightmare implementation would be. Cars deciding they can only go 35 on a freeway or 75-35-75 in the span of a few feet, etc. And also 10MPH isn't enough for emergency maneuvers in some situations.
The issue with speed is more about road design, the need to eliminate stroads, and greater support for mass transit.
Most speed limit readers go by the sign.
They will fail to differentiate between different signs if they’re in the proper style. And also will fail for variable/lighted signs.
so like California will have a truck limit. So your speed limit reader will see 70 then see a limit 100 feet later of 60 (for trucks). And be like “it’s 60”.
And many places now have lighted signs which change limits based on time of day/traffic and the system will not see those.
Similarly they are unable to determine KPH/MPH. So like, if you go to Canada it’s going to list limits in MPH unless you change your dials.
Yes, the famously intolerable snails pace of 10 mph over the speed limit
Look, I'm not going to lie, when I was learning to drive, being officially instructed "Well yes, you can get a ticket if you're over the speed limit, but you're expected to go with the flow of traffic even if it's above the speed limit" was a major contributing factor in me never getting my driver's license and using public transportation for the rest of my life
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Yes, the famously intolerable snails pace of 10 mph over the speed limit
Look, I'm not going to lie, when I was learning to drive, being officially instructed "Well yes, you can get a ticket if you're over the speed limit, but you're expected to go with the flow of traffic even if it's above the speed limit" was a major contributing factor in me never getting my driver's license and using public transportation for the rest of my life
That's the law in some places, because impeding traffic can be more dangerous than following the sign. That's mostly for highways, though
Yes, the famously intolerable snails pace of 10 mph over the speed limit
Look, I'm not going to lie, when I was learning to drive, being officially instructed "Well yes, you can get a ticket if you're over the speed limit, but you're expected to go with the flow of traffic even if it's above the speed limit" was a major contributing factor in me never getting my driver's license and using public transportation for the rest of my life
That's the law in some places, because impeding traffic can be more dangerous than following the sign. That's mostly for highways, though
sounds like a wonderful reason for me to assign that responsibility to the bus driver
Yes, the famously intolerable snails pace of 10 mph over the speed limit
Look, I'm not going to lie, when I was learning to drive, being officially instructed "Well yes, you can get a ticket if you're over the speed limit, but you're expected to go with the flow of traffic even if it's above the speed limit" was a major contributing factor in me never getting my driver's license and using public transportation for the rest of my life
That's the law in some places, because impeding traffic can be more dangerous than following the sign. That's mostly for highways, though
FWIW I failed my first driving test (in california) because I was going 10 below the speed limit
Yes, the famously intolerable snails pace of 10 mph over the speed limit
The thing is - there's vast swaths of the western US that go 20+ over as it's empty, straight road. Everyone drives that speed as it's empty, straight road. Adding something like speed limit adherence would mean we wholesale review the current state of speed limits in every municipality, as many are much lower than they should be and left that way because no one cares. I grew up in the woods, where most roads were 30 or 35 - no locals actually drove that slow.
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I would say it's wrong just because of the technical nightmare implementation would be. Cars deciding they can only go 35 on a freeway or 75-35-75 in the span of a few feet, etc. And also 10MPH isn't enough for emergency maneuvers in some situations.
I'd guarantee that some goose will sneak out and swap out the speed limit signs on some well traveled chunk of road just for the LOLs if this goes through.
Shut up, Mr. Burton! You were not brought upon this world to get it!
Yes, the famously intolerable snails pace of 10 mph over the speed limit
The thing is - there's vast swaths of the western US that go 20+ over as it's empty, straight road. Everyone drives that speed as it's empty, straight road. Adding something like speed limit adherence would mean we wholesale review the current state of speed limits in every municipality, as many are much lower than they should be and left that way because no one cares. I grew up in the woods, where most roads were 30 or 35 - no locals actually drove that slow.
I-5 is a good example of that. 80-85 is expected, if not posted, when you're in the parts running through the Central Valley or north of Sacramento.
Yes, the famously intolerable snails pace of 10 mph over the speed limit
The thing is - there's vast swaths of the western US that go 20+ over as it's empty, straight road. Everyone drives that speed as it's empty, straight road. Adding something like speed limit adherence would mean we wholesale review the current state of speed limits in every municipality, as many are much lower than they should be and left that way because no one cares. I grew up in the woods, where most roads were 30 or 35 - no locals actually drove that slow.
Just because people do something doesn't make it safe.
While racing light mechs, your Urbanmech comes in second place, but only because it ran out of ammo.
Yes, the famously intolerable snails pace of 10 mph over the speed limit
The thing is - there's vast swaths of the western US that go 20+ over as it's empty, straight road. Everyone drives that speed as it's empty, straight road. Adding something like speed limit adherence would mean we wholesale review the current state of speed limits in every municipality, as many are much lower than they should be and left that way because no one cares. I grew up in the woods, where most roads were 30 or 35 - no locals actually drove that slow.
Just because people do something doesn't make it safe.
A bit ago I was driving to the Washington Coast past Aberdeen. And there was a stretch of road with a 30 MPH speed limit. It had a lot of hills and some pretty blind corners. I think I was going 35 and get passed by someone in an SUV going 50. And I say to myself “wow I bet there are a lot of fatalities on the road here”. It wasn’t unsafe for like, the driver of the truck, they aren’t going to fly off the road… but
lo and behold we turn a blind corner and there are at least three crosses on the side of the road of varying ages but none terribly old. Probably where pedestrians/biker got hit by someone in a truck going 50 and cutting the corner.
Even those empty straight roads it’s not safe to go that fast. If something does happen you’ve got 75% more energy at 60 than 80. And it’s also a huge waste of gas/energy.
I don't think anyone here is arguing that it's safe to go above the posted limit, or that the auto-limiter is bad because of "mah freedums"
The problem is that putting it in the hands of AI runs afoul of the many varying ways AI/computers can fuck something like this up, and the decrease in safety as a result.
"Let's take a look at the scores! The girls are at the square root of Pi, while the boys are still at a crudely drawn picture of a duck. Clearly, it's anybody's game!"
I don't think anyone here is arguing that it's safe to go above the posted limit, or that the auto-limiter is bad because of "mah freedums"
The problem is that putting it in the hands of AI runs afoul of the many varying ways AI/computers can fuck something like this up, and the decrease in safety as a result.
People are definitely arguing that posted limits are wrong and it is reasonable to ignore them in some places.
While racing light mechs, your Urbanmech comes in second place, but only because it ran out of ammo.
This whole thing is such a colossal waste of time and effort that frankly could be better spent elsewhere in the State.
It’s absolutely not going to make people be more conscientious drivers. A jackass who’s erratically driving at 70 instead of at their preferred 80 is still an erratically driving jackass.
It’s not going to stop drunk drivers from hitting people.
You’d be better off increasing penalty severity for speeding or reckless endangerment. Like straight up you lose your license full stop, or something.
You go in the cage, cage goes in the water, you go in the water. Shark's in the water, our shark.
This whole thing is such a colossal waste of time and effort that frankly could be better spent elsewhere in the State.
It’s absolutely not going to make people be more conscientious drivers. A jackass who’s erratically driving at 70 instead of at their preferred 80 is still an erratically driving jackass.
It’s not going to stop drunk drivers from hitting people.
You’d be better off increasing penalty severity for speeding or reckless endangerment. Like straight up you lose your license full stop, or something.
Those people they hit are more likely survive if you limit the speed at which the drunk driver strikes them. Additional speed literally kills:
This whole thing is such a colossal waste of time and effort that frankly could be better spent elsewhere in the State.
It’s absolutely not going to make people be more conscientious drivers. A jackass who’s erratically driving at 70 instead of at their preferred 80 is still an erratically driving jackass.
It’s not going to stop drunk drivers from hitting people.
You’d be better off increasing penalty severity for speeding or reckless endangerment. Like straight up you lose your license full stop, or something.
Those people they hit are more likely survive if you limit the speed at which the drunk driver strikes them. Additional speed literally kills:
It'll never make it into law because of the politics behind it. Doesn't make it wrong, though
The answer to limiting speed isn't the use of technology that doesn't work and makes driving less safe, but better road design that addresses core speed issues.
Cool. It still doesn’t change the fact of bad drivers and that every person behind the wheel falls somewhere on the spectrum of Mr. Rogers and DT while operating a multi-ton vehicle and all it takes to veer between the two is a bad day.
This is just slapping a bandaid on the symptom not the problem.
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You go in the cage, cage goes in the water, you go in the water. Shark's in the water, our shark.
This whole thing is such a colossal waste of time and effort that frankly could be better spent elsewhere in the State.
It’s absolutely not going to make people be more conscientious drivers. A jackass who’s erratically driving at 70 instead of at their preferred 80 is still an erratically driving jackass.
It’s not going to stop drunk drivers from hitting people.
You’d be better off increasing penalty severity for speeding or reckless endangerment. Like straight up you lose your license full stop, or something.
Those people they hit are more likely survive if you limit the speed at which the drunk driver strikes them. Additional speed literally kills:
It'll never make it into law because of the politics behind it. Doesn't make it wrong, though
The answer to limiting speed isn't the use of technology that doesn't work and makes driving less safe, but better road design that addresses core speed issues.
Governors don't reduce speed and they make drivers more reckless?
This whole thing is such a colossal waste of time and effort that frankly could be better spent elsewhere in the State.
It’s absolutely not going to make people be more conscientious drivers. A jackass who’s erratically driving at 70 instead of at their preferred 80 is still an erratically driving jackass.
It’s not going to stop drunk drivers from hitting people.
You’d be better off increasing penalty severity for speeding or reckless endangerment. Like straight up you lose your license full stop, or something.
Those people they hit are more likely survive if you limit the speed at which the drunk driver strikes them. Additional speed literally kills:
It'll never make it into law because of the politics behind it. Doesn't make it wrong, though
The answer to limiting speed isn't the use of technology that doesn't work and makes driving less safe, but better road design that addresses core speed issues.
While this technology is not ready to be used like this, road design is not a magic fix all. I'm not sure what road design you could do on a highway through a flat plain to keep people going 60 instead of 80.
While racing light mechs, your Urbanmech comes in second place, but only because it ran out of ammo.
This whole thing is such a colossal waste of time and effort that frankly could be better spent elsewhere in the State.
It’s absolutely not going to make people be more conscientious drivers. A jackass who’s erratically driving at 70 instead of at their preferred 80 is still an erratically driving jackass.
It’s not going to stop drunk drivers from hitting people.
You’d be better off increasing penalty severity for speeding or reckless endangerment. Like straight up you lose your license full stop, or something.
Those people they hit are more likely survive if you limit the speed at which the drunk driver strikes them. Additional speed literally kills:
It'll never make it into law because of the politics behind it. Doesn't make it wrong, though
The answer to limiting speed isn't the use of technology that doesn't work and makes driving less safe, but better road design that addresses core speed issues.
My street has most versions of NAACTO street calming. Some people still go 40mph in between the stretches of the speed tables and chicanes. Passive solutions are important, but they are also not invincible
We should be regulating hood/truck height not trying to implement speed governors.
Also improve/modernize highways, traffic enforcement, and for the love of Christ make semi-trucks drive on their own designated roadways or something. If I have to go down 99 one more time between a concrete divider and a cattle truck with my balls in my throat I’m gonna spit
You go in the cage, cage goes in the water, you go in the water. Shark's in the water, our shark.
Constructing a duplicate, parallel road network is definitely more reasonable than requiring car manufacturers to... install speed governors.
Again, there's no way this law gets passed. Nothing causes frothing rage like the view from the dashboard, even with our deaths per VMT climbing. "Stop de Kindermoord" protests would likely get run over here.
We should be regulating hood/truck height not trying to implement speed governors.
Also improve/modernize highways, traffic enforcement, and for the love of Christ make semi-trucks drive on their own designated roadways or something. If I have to go down 99 one more time between a concrete divider and a cattle truck with my balls in my throat I’m gonna spit
You meant to say rail...so many trucks are doing runs that should be handled by trains.
Constructing a duplicate, parallel road network is definitely more reasonable than requiring car manufacturers to... install speed governors.
Again, there's no way this law gets passed. Nothing causes frothing rage like the view from the dashboard, even with our deaths per VMT climbing. "Stop de Kindermoord" protests would likely get run over here.
Building a parallel road network is actually doing something, even if it’s fully stupid. Speed governors in cars sounds nice but, again, it’s addressing symptoms not the problem. People are still going to drive like assholes, get people killed, and if they want to go fast they’re gonna find a way governor or not.
It’s legislative theater, and bad theater at that
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It’s like selling blunt knives instead of sharp knives
You’re still selling knives
And if a person wants to they’re gonna strip that inhibitor out and oh neat you just created an entirely new black market for car modding
Winner winner, chicken dinner. Someone would figure out a firmware update inside of a week.
And its essentially impossible to prevent them doing it, too.
Eh, yes and no. Something like a Tesla that updates frequently, yes. Something on the low cost end (as much as exists these days ...), which doesn't behave that way? That'll stay modded.
It’s like selling blunt knives instead of sharp knives
You’re still selling knives
And if a person wants to they’re gonna strip that inhibitor out and oh neat you just created an entirely new black market for car modding
Winner winner, chicken dinner. Someone would figure out a firmware update inside of a week.
And its essentially impossible to prevent them doing it, too.
Eh, yes and no. Something like a Tesla that updates frequently, yes. Something on the low cost end (as much as exists these days ...), which doesn't behave that way? That'll stay modded.
Okay, two weeks on an "always connected" kind of car, which by the way is dumb and probably shouldn't be allowed.
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Signage in at least many cases. Thing is that GPS can be wrong due to interference and signage can be faked.
also other context dependent speed limits like some highways have a posted truck speed limit which is not applicable to cars but my car will read it and display it to me anyway
honestly if they're going to do this, they need to consider upping the speed limits on certain highways too
65mph doesn't make much sense for cars of this era given all the safety advancements we've made
The only case I can immediately think of where I wouldn't want a hard ceiling would be when an 18 wheeler decides it really wants to merge into my lane, the only open path is in front of me, and I'd better get out of the way fast.
The issue with speed is more about road design, the need to eliminate stroads, and greater support for mass transit.
They will fail to differentiate between different signs if they’re in the proper style. And also will fail for variable/lighted signs.
so like California will have a truck limit. So your speed limit reader will see 70 then see a limit 100 feet later of 60 (for trucks). And be like “it’s 60”.
And many places now have lighted signs which change limits based on time of day/traffic and the system will not see those.
Similarly they are unable to determine KPH/MPH. So like, if you go to Canada it’s going to list limits in MPH unless you change your dials.
Look, I'm not going to lie, when I was learning to drive, being officially instructed "Well yes, you can get a ticket if you're over the speed limit, but you're expected to go with the flow of traffic even if it's above the speed limit" was a major contributing factor in me never getting my driver's license and using public transportation for the rest of my life
That's the law in some places, because impeding traffic can be more dangerous than following the sign. That's mostly for highways, though
sounds like a wonderful reason for me to assign that responsibility to the bus driver
FWIW I failed my first driving test (in california) because I was going 10 below the speed limit
The thing is - there's vast swaths of the western US that go 20+ over as it's empty, straight road. Everyone drives that speed as it's empty, straight road. Adding something like speed limit adherence would mean we wholesale review the current state of speed limits in every municipality, as many are much lower than they should be and left that way because no one cares. I grew up in the woods, where most roads were 30 or 35 - no locals actually drove that slow.
I'd guarantee that some goose will sneak out and swap out the speed limit signs on some well traveled chunk of road just for the LOLs if this goes through.
I-5 is a good example of that. 80-85 is expected, if not posted, when you're in the parts running through the Central Valley or north of Sacramento.
Just because people do something doesn't make it safe.
A bit ago I was driving to the Washington Coast past Aberdeen. And there was a stretch of road with a 30 MPH speed limit. It had a lot of hills and some pretty blind corners. I think I was going 35 and get passed by someone in an SUV going 50. And I say to myself “wow I bet there are a lot of fatalities on the road here”. It wasn’t unsafe for like, the driver of the truck, they aren’t going to fly off the road… but
lo and behold we turn a blind corner and there are at least three crosses on the side of the road of varying ages but none terribly old. Probably where pedestrians/biker got hit by someone in a truck going 50 and cutting the corner.
Even those empty straight roads it’s not safe to go that fast. If something does happen you’ve got 75% more energy at 60 than 80. And it’s also a huge waste of gas/energy.
The problem is that putting it in the hands of AI runs afoul of the many varying ways AI/computers can fuck something like this up, and the decrease in safety as a result.
People are definitely arguing that posted limits are wrong and it is reasonable to ignore them in some places.
It’s absolutely not going to make people be more conscientious drivers. A jackass who’s erratically driving at 70 instead of at their preferred 80 is still an erratically driving jackass.
It’s not going to stop drunk drivers from hitting people.
You’d be better off increasing penalty severity for speeding or reckless endangerment. Like straight up you lose your license full stop, or something.
Those people they hit are more likely survive if you limit the speed at which the drunk driver strikes them. Additional speed literally kills:
The answer to limiting speed isn't the use of technology that doesn't work and makes driving less safe, but better road design that addresses core speed issues.
Cool. It still doesn’t change the fact of bad drivers and that every person behind the wheel falls somewhere on the spectrum of Mr. Rogers and DT while operating a multi-ton vehicle and all it takes to veer between the two is a bad day.
This is just slapping a bandaid on the symptom not the problem.
You’re still selling knives
And if a person wants to they’re gonna strip that inhibitor out and oh neat you just created an entirely new black market for car modding
Yeah our drivers are shit. I wish they’d do something to address it. But being able to go fast ain’t the issue
Governors don't reduce speed and they make drivers more reckless?
While this technology is not ready to be used like this, road design is not a magic fix all. I'm not sure what road design you could do on a highway through a flat plain to keep people going 60 instead of 80.
My street has most versions of NAACTO street calming. Some people still go 40mph in between the stretches of the speed tables and chicanes. Passive solutions are important, but they are also not invincible
Also improve/modernize highways, traffic enforcement, and for the love of Christ make semi-trucks drive on their own designated roadways or something. If I have to go down 99 one more time between a concrete divider and a cattle truck with my balls in my throat I’m gonna spit
Again, there's no way this law gets passed. Nothing causes frothing rage like the view from the dashboard, even with our deaths per VMT climbing. "Stop de Kindermoord" protests would likely get run over here.
You meant to say rail...so many trucks are doing runs that should be handled by trains.
Building a parallel road network is actually doing something, even if it’s fully stupid. Speed governors in cars sounds nice but, again, it’s addressing symptoms not the problem. People are still going to drive like assholes, get people killed, and if they want to go fast they’re gonna find a way governor or not.
It’s legislative theater, and bad theater at that
Winner winner, chicken dinner. Someone would figure out a firmware update inside of a week.
And its essentially impossible to prevent them doing it, too.
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Eh, yes and no. Something like a Tesla that updates frequently, yes. Something on the low cost end (as much as exists these days ...), which doesn't behave that way? That'll stay modded.
Okay, two weeks on an "always connected" kind of car, which by the way is dumb and probably shouldn't be allowed.