The idea that your vote is a moral statement about you or who you vote for is some backwards ass libertarian nonsense. Your vote is about society. Vote to protect the vulnerable.
I think Vance is ultimately too much of a boring ass regular politician to accomplish much more than the regular background noise of evil, but his competence with confidently speaking bullshit and giving it the cadence of a sensical statement is tremendously annoying.
But honestly, the guy is just a slightly dumber Paul Ryan. I don’t see the threat.
“They have PHDs, they don’t have common sense” is going to play pretty well unfortunately
Vance’s messaging is laser focused on rust belt voters.
This Walz question on Tiananmen Square is weirdly hostile.
Ehhhh it was a discrepancy he needed to address, and he didn’t address it in the question until the redirect. That wasn’t great, especially when his follow up was frank and good.
Yep so Vance probably thought that was great but he's run with "let's not trust the experts". Trump's base already loves that, I'm hoping that sounds a bit weird to everyone else.
That's a common blue collar attitude towards white collar, which is a demographic Kamala/Walz are still fighting for.
“They have PHDs, they don’t have common sense” is going to play pretty well unfortunately
It'll play well with the base, but that's not the group of voters Trump and Vance need to convince to vote for them. I suspect it won't play well enough with everyone else. Some undecided and soft supporters of the GOP's bullshit will like it, but I suspect it is going to turn off more people in that column because people like an expert opinion on things outside their wheelhouse.
AHAHA. He just keeps TALKING. He gets dunked on a fact check on Springfield (the fact that the Haitians are there legally, and the myth that they are illegal migrants), and he just keeps doubling down on it. And then swerves into this magical application that waves a magic wand and suddenly, Kamala personally grants asylum. (The app just schedules an appointment for an interview for asylum)
Just got to that as I had to switch to a more reliable stream and it was truly pathetic.
So far Walz's most winning strategy is to take whatever Vance says and undercut it by pointing out what Trump has said/done that contradicts it.
Meanwhile Vance has done a good job of not getting rattled, staying on message, and lying with confidence. Hate to say it but he clearly prepped for this, IMO.
Yep so Vance probably thought that was great but he's run with "let's not trust the experts". Trump's base already loves that, I'm hoping that sounds a bit weird to everyone else.
That's a common blue collar attitude towards white collar, which is a demographic Kamala/Walz are still fighting for.
Yes and no - it sort of tends to vary. Like, as soon as you cross over into something they know about, you do get a few lightbulb moments. "Trust doctors" later on by Walz was a good line.
“They have PHDs, they don’t have common sense” is going to play pretty well unfortunately
It'll play well with the base, but that's not the group of voters Trump and Vance need to convince to vote for them. I suspect it won't play well enough with everyone else. Some undecided and soft supporters of the GOP's bullshit will like it, but I suspect it is going to turn off more people in that column because people like an expert opinion on things outside their wheelhouse.
i think you're off base on this
anti-ivory tower populism has broad appeal outside of the trump base
it's not anti-intellectual, it furthers the narrative that the experts (democratically educated policy people) have engineered america's decline to enrich themselves
that belief is not just limited to trump's base unfortunately
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I kinda hate how the moderators keep say "your time is up." right after the person finished talking. Like no shit.
If you had a drinking game where you took a shot every time someone said "Donald Trump", you'd be dead by now.
I'm already getting irritated by both of them saying "But look."
Also, Vance's response on abortion was just bullshit. "We need to help families... which is why we're fucking not and want to obliterate all public programs."
If you had a drinking game where you took a shot every time someone said "Donald Trump", you'd be dead by now.
I'm already getting irritated by both of them saying "But look."
Also, Vance's response on abortion was just bullshit. "We need to help families... which is why we're fucking not and want to obliterate all public programs."
The problem here is the media should be doing their fucking jobs and eviscerating Vance before and after this. But they're not going to.
“They have PHDs, they don’t have common sense” is going to play pretty well unfortunately
Vance’s messaging is laser focused on rust belt voters.
This Walz question on Tiananmen Square is weirdly hostile.
Ehhhh it was a discrepancy he needed to address, and he didn’t address it in the question until the redirect. That wasn’t great, especially when his follow up was frank and good.
It got ugly on the back half.
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Walz sounded REALLY frustrated by Vance supposedly making a claim that doctors are allowed to kill botched late term abortions, which is just a fucking bizarre bit of nonsense.
The theater shit the media is obsessed with will prefer the smarmy liar. which is my concern.
The idea that your vote is a moral statement about you or who you vote for is some backwards ass libertarian nonsense. Your vote is about society. Vote to protect the vulnerable.
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And people who don't know that they're lies just hear the confidence.
Vance’s messaging is laser focused on rust belt voters.
This Walz question on Tiananmen Square is weirdly hostile.
The amount of basic drugs we don't make in the US is probably something that should be addressed.
But also it was hella funny when the US was making all the Moderna and Pfizer covid vaccines and not sharing them fast enough.
E: Like maybe we don't need to lead the world in making drugs developed decades ago.
But honestly, the guy is just a slightly dumber Paul Ryan. I don’t see the threat.
Especially when a large portion of our country was rejecting them, and we ended up having surpluses of them left to rot.
I'm waiting for "stolen valor, why did you?"
The questions are horrible.
Some of the questions are decent. These ones are awful
Overall they seem to be doing OK.
Yes, but, if they keep lying to the republicans that they won't fact check or mute mics just to get them to show up, that's a good first step!
Ehhhh it was a discrepancy he needed to address, and he didn’t address it in the question until the redirect. That wasn’t great, especially when his follow up was frank and good.
That's a common blue collar attitude towards white collar, which is a demographic Kamala/Walz are still fighting for.
And yet that's not mutually exclusive with what I said.
It'll play well with the base, but that's not the group of voters Trump and Vance need to convince to vote for them. I suspect it won't play well enough with everyone else. Some undecided and soft supporters of the GOP's bullshit will like it, but I suspect it is going to turn off more people in that column because people like an expert opinion on things outside their wheelhouse.
Just got to that as I had to switch to a more reliable stream and it was truly pathetic.
Meanwhile Vance has done a good job of not getting rattled, staying on message, and lying with confidence. Hate to say it but he clearly prepped for this, IMO.
Yes and no - it sort of tends to vary. Like, as soon as you cross over into something they know about, you do get a few lightbulb moments. "Trust doctors" later on by Walz was a good line.
i think you're off base on this
anti-ivory tower populism has broad appeal outside of the trump base
it's not anti-intellectual, it furthers the narrative that the experts (democratically educated policy people) have engineered america's decline to enrich themselves
that belief is not just limited to trump's base unfortunately
that's their new strategy, we'll see if it works. i assume it will because american electorate is stupid.
I'm already getting irritated by both of them saying "But look."
Also, Vance's response on abortion was just bullshit. "We need to help families... which is why we're fucking not and want to obliterate all public programs."
The problem here is the media should be doing their fucking jobs and eviscerating Vance before and after this. But they're not going to.
It got ugly on the back half.
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