While I'm not against the thought of pay-to-access for the new forums, taking payment does mean that (at least) one person now has to be responsible for reporting said income and doing whatever tax shenanigans are required by whatever country will admit we're somehow a business.
While I'm not against the thought of pay-to-access for the new forums, taking payment does mean that (at least) one person now has to be responsible for reporting said income and doing whatever tax shenanigans are required by whatever country will admit we're somehow a business.
Does anybody live in Ireland? Or the Cayman Islands?
Any of the splinter forums still alive? Ttb, sheep shirts, ranssite (which I think became moose site, but I lost track). I guess I only know one that officially died ( flying stove)- I just lost track of the others
Yes, Platformers(arguably the OG) is somehow still active.
I think penny arcade cult has to be the OG, possibly followed by citadel of truth.
I can't believe I remember something like that a quarter of a century later!
360arcadians died long ago.
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syndalisGetting ClassyOn the WallRegistered User, Loves Apple Products, Transition Teamregular
I remember when the desperate call went out for people who remembered how to code in COBOL.
Y2K came and went, and thanks to the heroic efforts of so many unknown programmers, it was hardly a blip ... and the public concluded it had never really been that big a deal, right?
Yes it was technically AS/400 but any slash would make it shit itself and if you did it wrong someone would literally walk out of the ADP data center with an error printout and tell you not to do it again.
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syndalisGetting ClassyOn the WallRegistered User, Loves Apple Products, Transition Teamregular
Yes it was technically AS/400 but any slash would make it shit itself and if you did it wrong someone would literally walk out of the ADP data center with an error printout and tell you not to do it again.
I’ve had to manage ancient teletype integrations for CBC machines that let doctors know if the chemo regimen was working.
ACK/NACK on a literal life and death level.
This shit is still everywhere. PHP is positively futuristic by comparison.
When I first went back to school for cybersecurity IBM specifically sent recruiters to us to try to talk us into getting certified in their Z system mainframes because surprise surprise all the mainframe and COBOL people are aging out. I seriously looked into it too before I found a network admin job ten minutes from my house.
Anything that is a year+ away remind me in six months.
The warning this far back is a blessing and a curse, and we should find out if like some level of donations buys an entire other year of support.
I hope that now that PA had backed off there is a Vanilla rep talking to the new mod community independent of PA?
Fully agree. The easiest path forward is getting off of whatever weird branch of vanilla we are on, and having the time needed to carry things we care about into whatever their new mod architecture is.
Anything that is a year+ away remind me in six months.
The warning this far back is a blessing and a curse, and we should find out if like some level of donations buys an entire other year of support.
I hope that now that PA had backed off there is a Vanilla rep talking to the new mod community independent of PA?
The contract is with PA still so why would Vanilla? How could they? PA would have to delegate directly at the very least.
I would hope that at least an intro and a handoff conversation could be managed.
It doesn’t feel completely impossible.
Totally, just it would be a gross violation of contract for Vanilla to do anything with us without PA as long as they are the contracted entity. Same thing with finances/data, just needs to be properly shuffled so wouldn't expect stuff to just happen.
Anything that is a year+ away remind me in six months.
The warning this far back is a blessing and a curse, and we should find out if like some level of donations buys an entire other year of support.
I hope that now that PA had backed off there is a Vanilla rep talking to the new mod community independent of PA?
The contract is with PA still so why would Vanilla? How could they? PA would have to delegate directly at the very least.
The whole idea is that when PA approaches the end of the contract or in preparation for that they hand off everything to the new entity.
It's a real question that if we can sever from Penny Arcade but otherwise maintain status quo is it worth some migration and the effort involved?
If now the forums are negotiating independently with Vanilla as a life support thing, are they happy with a much lowered rate?
I doubt vanilla is currently happy with a fragile community on an old forked branch that creates all sorts of issues whenever they want to make changes
There is room here to negotiate becoming easier and normal to work with.
Any of the splinter forums still alive? Ttb, sheep shirts, ranssite (which I think became moose site, but I lost track). I guess I only know one that officially died ( flying stove)- I just lost track of the others
Yes, Platformers(arguably the OG) is somehow still active.
I think penny arcade cult has to be the OG, possibly followed by citadel of truth.
I can't believe I remember something like that a quarter of a century later!
360arcadians died long ago.
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>.>
Holy crap, TheArcadians.Net is still around. (Formerly 360arcadians)
I mean, it appears nobody posts there, but it's still up and the url still works.
The other statistic worth noting wrt this forum is I can count on one hand the number of forumers I specifically know of who are under 30 (I am one of the youngest active forumers and I turn 31 next week), and I know of basically no active forumers under 27 years old
This format essentially lives and dies within the boundaries of the millennial generation, unless some random cohort of younger folks suddenly get really into forums again and decide this place is particularly interesting, which I doubt could/would happen at this point
despite how it might feel to some of us sometimes, millennials have a lot of life left. I can't envisage a time in my life when I wouldn't enjoy firing up Penny Arcade forums to have a ready made group of my generational peers to talk to. So that's at least a few decades worth of valid use-case.
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DrezI’m exactly the same in real lifeRegistered Userregular
Plus we can use inception and brainwashing to pass forums down to newer generations of toddlers
like yes. anything that has things leave and doesn't have things enter means that over time, less things are in it. but let's say five months after NuForums are made, you're the only person from these forums that posts there. everyone else drifted away in the first few months. but they were all replaced by an equal number of people. more people even!
you didn't save anything. forum's dead. you joined a different forum and used the same avatar as you used here.
asking these kinds of questions, and not just kneejerking "well i don't want things to DIE!!!" is the only way anyone is going to successfully actually carry forward what they value anywhere forward
I meant to comment on this but the thread got locked temporarily.
Your scenario is an example of taking an extreme so far that it breaks the premise.
Yes if everyone left in short order and were immediately replaced, the culture of the forum would essentially change overnight, but that's not what would happen in real life.
We'll lose some people, but hopefully gain new people and those people will be attracted here because of the culture we've created, because they're relatively like-minded individuals seeking out others like themselves. In that way the forum culture can survive even if all of us are long gone.
It won't be exactly the same as things are now of course, but that was never in the cards. Even ignoring the big change in front of us, the forums as they are NOW aren't the same ones as ten years ago, or ten years before that.
My friend who’s still alive on mafiascum told me they are on phpbb3 if that is meaningful or helpful info for accessing options (or if they’re also on some weird old tech fork too)
like yes. anything that has things leave and doesn't have things enter means that over time, less things are in it. but let's say five months after NuForums are made, you're the only person from these forums that posts there. everyone else drifted away in the first few months. but they were all replaced by an equal number of people. more people even!
you didn't save anything. forum's dead. you joined a different forum and used the same avatar as you used here.
asking these kinds of questions, and not just kneejerking "well i don't want things to DIE!!!" is the only way anyone is going to successfully actually carry forward what they value anywhere forward
I meant to comment on this but the thread got locked temporarily.
Your scenario is an example of taking an extreme so far that it breaks the premise.
Yes if everyone left in short order and were immediately replaced, the culture of the forum would essentially change overnight, but that's not what would happen in real life.
We'll lose some people, but hopefully gain new people and those people will be attracted here because of the culture we've created, because they're relatively like-minded individuals seeking out others like themselves. In that way the forum culture can survive even if all of us are long gone.
It won't be exactly the same as things are now of course, but that was never in the cards. Even ignoring the big change in front of us, the forums as they are NOW aren't the same ones as ten years ago, or ten years before that.
There's no preserving a community. It either changes with time or it dies. The latter isn't necessarily bad per se, depending on the goals and values of the individuals in a community, but I'd rather see the forums keep going even if vastly different in the long term.
I think, largely speaking, the question of “how does the forum community continue to propagate itself in a community sense” is a thing that can be dealt with after the gaping wound that is about to be inflicted upon it is avoided/dealt with.
We’re not going to be attached to the PA comic any longer, nor are we really going to be in the PAX orbit short of some ReedPOP exec getting concussed hard enough to go “PAX NEEDS A GOOD OLD FASHIONED AUGHTS STYLE INTERNET FORUM” and swooping in to buy the board from PA Corp, so whatever draw of new blood is going to be something that depends on whatever the forum is known for in the wider internet after shit comes and goes (we don’t have the inertia of ResetEra where everyone in the games industry posted on NeoGAF and jumped ship when it became clear that ownership was going ot allow the old board to fester into an alt right gamers den, for example).
Preserving what’s here, particularly the people, and maintaining a steady ability to keep the successor materially afloat, should be the main focus.
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Dhalphirdon't you open that trapdooryou're a fool if you dareRegistered Userregular
preserve what we have before we worry about what we should become, ideally, yes.
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Still if I've gotta make something work give me a LAMP stack with full sudo access.
Does anybody live in Ireland? Or the Cayman Islands?
360arcadians died long ago.
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>.>
I have two production environments using php.
One is running php 5.x (will not say what the x is because holy shit nooooo)
One is on 8.3, and honestly… symfony framework plus a modern system and yeah, you can make it happen.
Especially if you park modern caching systems in front of it and create proper scaling.
The fuck is wrong with your people?
My 7.4 environment I'm trying to get prioritized to go to 8.4 so I can not worry for a few years.
A 5.x? No
The nastiest tech debt you have ever seen.
If it makes you feel better I plan on treating it like the office space xerox it is before the year ends.
Ah the scream test decommission.
The most reverred and boldest IT move.
Php? VBA-based access apps that handle medical data? Yes, I will deal with this shit. I will solve this nightmare.
I was once the AS400 talker.
Y2K came and went, and thanks to the heroic efforts of so many unknown programmers, it was hardly a blip ... and the public concluded it had never really been that big a deal, right?
(God, 25 years - that was half my life ago, now.)
I’ve had to manage ancient teletype integrations for CBC machines that let doctors know if the chemo regimen was working.
ACK/NACK on a literal life and death level.
This shit is still everywhere. PHP is positively futuristic by comparison.
Anything that is a year+ away remind me in six months.
The warning this far back is a blessing and a curse, and we should find out if like some level of donations buys an entire other year of support.
I hope that now that PA had backed off there is a Vanilla rep talking to the new mod community independent of PA?
Fully agree. The easiest path forward is getting off of whatever weird branch of vanilla we are on, and having the time needed to carry things we care about into whatever their new mod architecture is.
I had one project that was years of merging seven hospitals into one system.
Writing some MUMPS reports was wild.
The contract is with PA still so why would Vanilla? How could they? PA would have to delegate directly at the very least.
I would hope that at least an intro and a handoff conversation could be managed.
It doesn’t feel completely impossible.
They aren’t going to do shit that makes us finding a new home wildly harder.
Totally, just it would be a gross violation of contract for Vanilla to do anything with us without PA as long as they are the contracted entity. Same thing with finances/data, just needs to be properly shuffled so wouldn't expect stuff to just happen.
The whole idea is that when PA approaches the end of the contract or in preparation for that they hand off everything to the new entity.
It's a real question that if we can sever from Penny Arcade but otherwise maintain status quo is it worth some migration and the effort involved?
If now the forums are negotiating independently with Vanilla as a life support thing, are they happy with a much lowered rate?
I doubt vanilla is currently happy with a fragile community on an old forked branch that creates all sorts of issues whenever they want to make changes
There is room here to negotiate becoming easier and normal to work with.
Holy crap, TheArcadians.Net is still around. (Formerly 360arcadians)
I mean, it appears nobody posts there, but it's still up and the url still works.
Headless Drupal detected
(I'm cheating because you've told me about this before.)
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
I mean, mafiascum is still about and I guess I was one of the OGs when it spun off of the GL, but I'd largely left it a long time ago.
I'll lend whatever hand I can for a transition. I don't have the DB or language knowledge others have. Maybe my only contribution is financial.
PGLHS?
despite how it might feel to some of us sometimes, millennials have a lot of life left. I can't envisage a time in my life when I wouldn't enjoy firing up Penny Arcade forums to have a ready made group of my generational peers to talk to. So that's at least a few decades worth of valid use-case.
I meant to comment on this but the thread got locked temporarily.
Your scenario is an example of taking an extreme so far that it breaks the premise.
Yes if everyone left in short order and were immediately replaced, the culture of the forum would essentially change overnight, but that's not what would happen in real life.
We'll lose some people, but hopefully gain new people and those people will be attracted here because of the culture we've created, because they're relatively like-minded individuals seeking out others like themselves. In that way the forum culture can survive even if all of us are long gone.
It won't be exactly the same as things are now of course, but that was never in the cards. Even ignoring the big change in front of us, the forums as they are NOW aren't the same ones as ten years ago, or ten years before that.
There's no preserving a community. It either changes with time or it dies. The latter isn't necessarily bad per se, depending on the goals and values of the individuals in a community, but I'd rather see the forums keep going even if vastly different in the long term.
We’re not going to be attached to the PA comic any longer, nor are we really going to be in the PAX orbit short of some ReedPOP exec getting concussed hard enough to go “PAX NEEDS A GOOD OLD FASHIONED AUGHTS STYLE INTERNET FORUM” and swooping in to buy the board from PA Corp, so whatever draw of new blood is going to be something that depends on whatever the forum is known for in the wider internet after shit comes and goes (we don’t have the inertia of ResetEra where everyone in the games industry posted on NeoGAF and jumped ship when it became clear that ownership was going ot allow the old board to fester into an alt right gamers den, for example).
Preserving what’s here, particularly the people, and maintaining a steady ability to keep the successor materially afloat, should be the main focus.