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"That belongs in a museum!" - Archiving PA History on CoRe
Zonugal
(He/Him) The Holiday ArmadilloI'm Santa's representative for all the southern states. And Mexico!Registered User, Transition Team regular
(He/Him) The Holiday ArmadilloI'm Santa's representative for all the southern states. And Mexico!Registered User, Transition Team regular
As this community continues to shuffle forward in anticipation of its migration to its new home in the spring, how users might go about carrying over our shared history to be stored as artifacts within our new home is handled through two pathways that have been agreed to by the CoRe Transition Team:
Archiving Individual Threads
If a request is made to transfer or archive the entirety of an individual thread from the Penny Arcade forums, please send a private message to me, Zonugal, that includes the consent of every user who posted in the chosen thread. Once obtained and stored within the records of the community (as maintained by the board’s secretary), the thread may be transferred over in its entirety. Having every active poster in the chosen thread included in a group private message expressing their consent is enough, as that chain of approval can itself be carried forward in the archival process. Now, this pathway is primarily designed for threads with an incredibly small user-base, play-by-post threads on Critical Failure come to mind, but if a user thinks another thread can qualify under this pathway, have at it!
After many months of debate, the CoRe Transition Team believes this is the best approach to archiving our shared history that respects our userbase (those still here and those that no longer frequent the forums).Archiving Individual Posts
If a request is made to transfer or archive an individual post from the Penny Arcade forums, please send a private message to me, Zonugal, that includes an image file that has the following items removed:
– The date of the post, as well as the name/avatars/signatures of any user
– Any reference to personal information that could be used to dox a previous/current user
– No sensitive material (for example, references to medical issues)
– In addition, the user must include a brief commentary on why this post should be archived.
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That is correct, yes.
It is also the only legally secure way of doing it. the EU's laws on this make it very tricky to port our stuff over. It is a whole mess that would require a lawyer be paid more money that it is worth to sort out how to do it any other way.
I assume it's no different than quoting a Tweet or Facebook something or whatever but we do have some old running jokes that might never get consent from everyone involved in them just due to time to move over wholesale to the new archive forum.
I guess once old PAF goes down those will be infrequent but there might be some people still quote or reference or have favorite screenshots of good jokes or comments.
I like this. I think this is a really good compromise for people wanting to archive and people not wanting to archive.
A+ Good Job
you could theoretically still link that thread from archive.org though right?
edit: not on CR, I'm just saying it should be on archive
you could get each individual post of the LP by Fishman archived. it would be more work but it would avoid needing to get consent for every single individual poster, instead just needing Fishman's
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is this like
so whoever is judging the posts for inclusion doesn't prejudge based on what they know of the poster?
or are we saving the posts as shopped up anonymous screenshots?
fuck up once and you break your thumb / if you're happy at all then you're god damn dumb
that's right we're on a fucked up cruise / God is dead but at least we have booze
bad things happen, no one knows why / the sun burns out and everyone dies
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If they made a single post within a thread, they are an active poster within it.
And if I'm screenshotting individual posts for archival purposes, that don't I already have my own, uh, dox-friendly archive?
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Wilds of Aladrion: [https://forums.penny-arcade.com/discussion/comment/43159014/#Comment_43159014]Ellandryn[/url]
And yet its the best way, currently, of respecting the consent of current & previous users of the Penny Arcade forums when it comes to archiving their posts over to Coin Return.
What folks do within their own personal computer is their purview, but for the health of Coin Return, this is the position the Transition Team has agreed upon.
Oh, so basically any thread that contains a person who has left the forums cannot be archived?
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Not without anonymizing it, which, as Delz said...
Cool beans.
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Assume that no posts will be associated with an identity without consent. If this works the way I want, you'll be able to look at an archive thread and say "hey that's me!" and replace the anonymized username with yours, either in bulk or individually.
https://forums.penny-arcade.com/discussion/comment/46987441/#Comment_46987441
Fishman’s legendary X-Com threads used forum members for the characters. It was, of course, part of what made it so epic.
Would that, for example, require anonymizing said users, in the event they do not consent to their participation being retained?
Like, I’m not trying to GOTCHA on this, simply noting that the efforts to anonymize personal data means that very thread series could run headlong into the issue by its very nature.
“And then Forar was mercifully executed due to risk of Chrysalid infection” carries more emotional weight and history than “And then *Player Anonymized* was mercifully executed due to risk of Chrysalid infection”.
I believe the screenshots are lost/broken links, though in a previous thread Fishman said he might have a copy of them somewhere. Would they also need to be anonymized?
Not to be a downer but the Halo threads I'd want preserved have someone that's passed and someone that got permmed (and has since gone AWOL IRL) so it's not possible to transfer them to CR even if I wanted to poke the rest of TBK into signing back in to sign off on transferring. If that means anything.
I fully agree with the structure/ruleset requirements, btw - only way to do it - but yeah, gonna guess if anybody wanted to, some amount of threads are basically non-starters.
there are full dumps of the entire forum as it existed in a publicly facing way (ie: no PMs etc..) a couple months ago already readily available. How else would that cool graph generator that shows the percentages of where you post and such work?
Nothing anonymous, and including all data from users who later had their history nuked of course.