I'm just going to ignore the fuck-ups Picard introduces to the setting until some other series establishes whether or not we're keeping that crap. And hopefully we aren't because Discovery is the only other entry as bad and at least that's shuffled off to a different timestream now.
The notion that Starfleet would keep all their major production capacity around one single planet, especially after the Dominion War, is even more completely unbelievable than the tech in Star Trek. With over a hundred governments and hundreds of worlds as members, there would be production facilities on multiple worlds if only so every new ship doesn't have a three-month lead time to fly to their operating area. Not to mention how insanely stupid it would be centralize all that knowledge and capability in a society that is all about self-improvement through learning and experience.
The easiest way to explain it is that they lost possible thousands of irreplaceable engineers and technicians the shipyard itself wasn't as important I'm sure they do have more but UP was their primary test bed for new ships
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- Janeway
- Jellico
- Old Ships
- Warp 4 barrier
- Founders vs. Starfleet
- Tuvix
- Prime Directive
- Transporter Shenanigans
- ?
Old ships shouldn't really be an argument, especially when we've already seen in the TOS movies that Starfleet is willing to basically rebuild a ship and just call it a refit.
The "Star Trek Phase II" design is IMO somewhat more plausible than the movie version as an actual refit rather than a complete rebuild, but I prefer the look of what we got, so... *shrug*
I like the idea that particularly during the movies and TNG, the Starfleet Shipyards had a huge pile of parts from various ships, and they just tried to stick them together in different configurations.
"I like it Jeff, but it just looks too similar to our Constitution class ships."
"Hmm... what if we turned the back part upside down, and used some warp nacelles from the Excelsior class ships?"
"I like it!"
There's obviously nothing going on Star Trek wise so I've been rewatching my personal comfort TV - TOS. I grew up with it and Fry's speech from Futurama is very, very accurate.
So I thought I'd watch those episodes I rarely watch, you know...the bad ones.
Catspaw - aka The Halloween Episode. Some misogyny (woman is the villain, goes mad), and Chekov joins the crew in a truly hilariously awful wig. It calls back to 'the Old Ones' from What Are Little Girls Made Of and it starts the trope of extra galactic aliens unable to handle being human (emotions! Sensations!). It's...fine. Very silly and Kirk does try to save the day with his dick but fails because villain is a telepath. Whoops.
Then on to...Omega Glory aka What If America lost the Cold War after it went hot and instead of nukes it was biowarfare.
This episode is pretty bad but it's also unintentionally hilarious. However it is super racist. It superficially looks like it might be undermining racist tropes of East and West but nope, it reinforces them (Asians are cold and evil, Americans are noble savages).
The fun comes from the 3 round fight between Kirk and Tracey. Round 1 happens when Kirk wakes from sucker punched. Round 2 happens as they chase around the town with Kirk doing ludicrous forward rolls for no reason (running would just be faster!). Then it ends with a dramatic Round 3 fight to the death (but obviously Kirk spares Tracey). Then it was that awful revealed that these aliens somehow have an identical Constitution of the United States....on a planet a millions of light years away. It's so bad. Although ironically for real life right now, Kirk's impassioned defence of the Constitution and that it must apply to ALL men is a winner as we watch people trying to smash it.
After these two I decided to watch an episode I hadn't seen in a long time Corbomite Manoeouvre aka Kirk Demonstrates Guile to save the Enterprise. It's an amazing bottle episode - takes place almost entirely on the bridge. Kirk shows off that he's much more of a thinker than a the fighter he often gets characterised. There's a reason he was the youngest captain in Starfleet and this is it. He manages to bluff a superior enemy from destroying the Enterprise. Now we later learn it's unlikely Balok would have destroyed them unless they tried to fight but Kirk doesn't know this.
There are also some fantastic dialogue scenes for Kirk, Spock and McCoy and the tension is palpable even though we know our crew will survive.
Corbomite Manoeuvre is definitely one of the lesser spoken about episodes but it's a banger in my opinion. The cast has to carry the entire episode as the 'villain' barely speaks.
I choose to believe that all those medals are just from the Klingon Boy Scout association: campfire making, targ hunting, competitive mekleth throwing, needlework...
I choose to believe that all those medals are just from the Klingon Boy Scout association: campfire making, targ hunting, competitive mekleth throwing, needlework...
One side is the sober version of those skills, the other side is all the same skills after a barrel of blood wine.
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I'm only halfway through but this is a surprisingly clear-eyed, not-whiny assessment of what happened with Enterprise: https://youtu.be/LDaKTmDhbxs
I don't necessarily agree with all the points being made but they are at least coherent and are supported by more than just "this isn't my Star Trek!"
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oh yeah I mean there's obviously story problems, but ENT had a lot of bullshit going behind the scenes.
Connor and Malcolm do a podcast and have discussed it at length. Bakula was even on recently.
I think the MOST shameful offense was fucking over Jeffrey Combs
I always go back to the thing where the network wanted them to have contemporary bands, music, and product placement on the show. Not because that was the problem since it never happened, but because that shows the gaping disconnect they had with the show and setting.
I never thought about that. I wonder if networks to modern era settings over fantasy, historical or future settings so they can shove in product placement and stuff?
I mean, obviously it's also much cheaper that that other stuff.
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amateurhourOne day I'll be professionalhourThe woods somewhere in TennesseeRegistered Userregular
I never thought about that. I wonder if networks to modern era settings over fantasy, historical or future settings so they can shove in product placement and stuff?
I mean, obviously it's also much cheaper that that other stuff.
iirc, one of the reasons How I Met Your Mother was successful enough to afford the cast salary is that all of the ads in the bar, on billboards, etc. were green screen so that the ad space could be partnered/sold in syndication.
I don't know if it's true but it sounds crazy enough to be true.
It's the same tech used in sports stadiums. If you're there in person you'll see one set of ads, but then on TV you'll see different ones that might even vary between markets.
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The easiest way to explain it is that they lost possible thousands of irreplaceable engineers and technicians the shipyard itself wasn't as important I'm sure they do have more but UP was their primary test bed for new ships
The "Star Trek Phase II" design is IMO somewhat more plausible than the movie version as an actual refit rather than a complete rebuild, but I prefer the look of what we got, so... *shrug*
More likely it was a different Constitution Class ship that they retrofitted and renamed, which is the case in non-canon novels.
EDIT: Oh wait, you're probably talking about the original Constitution II refit from TMP, nevermind.
"I like it Jeff, but it just looks too similar to our Constitution class ships."
"Hmm... what if we turned the back part upside down, and used some warp nacelles from the Excelsior class ships?"
"I like it!"
So I thought I'd watch those episodes I rarely watch, you know...the bad ones.
Catspaw - aka The Halloween Episode. Some misogyny (woman is the villain, goes mad), and Chekov joins the crew in a truly hilariously awful wig. It calls back to 'the Old Ones' from What Are Little Girls Made Of and it starts the trope of extra galactic aliens unable to handle being human (emotions! Sensations!). It's...fine. Very silly and Kirk does try to save the day with his dick but fails because villain is a telepath. Whoops.
Then on to...Omega Glory aka What If America lost the Cold War after it went hot and instead of nukes it was biowarfare.
This episode is pretty bad but it's also unintentionally hilarious. However it is super racist. It superficially looks like it might be undermining racist tropes of East and West but nope, it reinforces them (Asians are cold and evil, Americans are noble savages).
The fun comes from the 3 round fight between Kirk and Tracey. Round 1 happens when Kirk wakes from sucker punched. Round 2 happens as they chase around the town with Kirk doing ludicrous forward rolls for no reason (running would just be faster!). Then it ends with a dramatic Round 3 fight to the death (but obviously Kirk spares Tracey). Then it was that awful revealed that these aliens somehow have an identical Constitution of the United States....on a planet a millions of light years away. It's so bad. Although ironically for real life right now, Kirk's impassioned defence of the Constitution and that it must apply to ALL men is a winner as we watch people trying to smash it.
After these two I decided to watch an episode I hadn't seen in a long time Corbomite Manoeouvre aka Kirk Demonstrates Guile to save the Enterprise. It's an amazing bottle episode - takes place almost entirely on the bridge. Kirk shows off that he's much more of a thinker than a the fighter he often gets characterised. There's a reason he was the youngest captain in Starfleet and this is it. He manages to bluff a superior enemy from destroying the Enterprise. Now we later learn it's unlikely Balok would have destroyed them unless they tried to fight but Kirk doesn't know this.
There are also some fantastic dialogue scenes for Kirk, Spock and McCoy and the tension is palpable even though we know our crew will survive.
Corbomite Manoeuvre is definitely one of the lesser spoken about episodes but it's a banger in my opinion. The cast has to carry the entire episode as the 'villain' barely speaks.
One side is the sober version of those skills, the other side is all the same skills after a barrel of blood wine.
I don't necessarily agree with all the points being made but they are at least coherent and are supported by more than just "this isn't my Star Trek!"
Connor and Malcolm do a podcast and have discussed it at length. Bakula was even on recently.
I think the MOST shameful offense was fucking over Jeffrey Combs
I mean, obviously it's also much cheaper that that other stuff.
iirc, one of the reasons How I Met Your Mother was successful enough to afford the cast salary is that all of the ads in the bar, on billboards, etc. were green screen so that the ad space could be partnered/sold in syndication.
I don't know if it's true but it sounds crazy enough to be true.
https://ew.com/article/2011/07/07/how-i-met-your-mother-reruns-bad-teacher-zookeeper/
It's the same tech used in sports stadiums. If you're there in person you'll see one set of ads, but then on TV you'll see different ones that might even vary between markets.