What MMO out there pulls that much traffic? None of the top games do, that's atrocious netcode.
As for reformatting, that's 100gb. Okay... so you've used less than half your allowance due to a rare situation. You still have 150gb left, which is still 2 movies a day for the month.
Downloading Vanguard + patches is 30gb, which leaves you with 3 1/2 movies a day for the rest of the month.
250gb is absurd for anything short of business use. Which is likely why they offer a business service as well without the cap for 10/mo more. :P
Damn Americans. You're complaining about what? 250 GBs a month? I get 40GB a month on my broadband plan. And it's a good plan (by Australia's crappy standards). Be grateful.
Eat your broadband, Timmy. Little warezmonkeys in Australia are starving!
I just switched from Comcast to AT&T last week. I finally switched because my connection would drop out for hours at a time. I easily hit 20gigs a week between HD Podcasts, games, legal TV & Anime downloads, Video streams, legal music, and miscellaneous junk.
My area had a strong Comcast monopoly for a few years. Wide Open West (cable) and AT&T (DSL) have plans that can compare to Comcast's basic and mid grade plans but not their 16Mbps down plan.
Damn Americans. You're complaining about what? 250 GBs a month? I get 40GB a month on my broadband plan. And it's a good plan (by Australia's crappy standards). Be grateful.
Eat your broadband, Timmy. Little warezmonkeys in Australia are starving!
Please, consider sending just $1 a day.
For less than the cost of a cup of coffee, little Jack can have enough bandwidth to shoot mans with guns in Team Fortress 2. For the cost of a donut with that coffee, Jack can obtain a better connection to let him make deadly Sniper shots. Your pennies can make the difference between "Critical Hit!" and "Respawn in 20 seconds."
Please give generously.
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I just switched from Comcast to AT&T last week. I finally switched because my connection would drop out for hours at a time. I easily hit 20gigs a week between HD Podcasts, games, legal TV & Anime downloads, Video streams, legal music, and miscellaneous junk.
My area had a strong Comcast monopoly for a few years. Wide Open West (cable) and AT&T (DSL) have plans that can compare to Comcast's basic and mid grade plans but not their 16Mbps down plan.
That puts you at 80g/month, which is a third the limit.
Comcast's service in some areas is terrible, we're just trying to hammer in exactly how much 250 gigs is.
wow 250 gigs? sweet deal... back home in isolation land up north we only get 10 and we pay pretty handily for it too. 9$ a gig for going over!
shaw down south where i go to school is alright though, i get 60 gigs and faster then back home for 20$ cheaper.
I can see this maybe bothering some setups who have like lots of people using it though. Like 4+?
The only time I use big chunks has got to be for downloading mmo updates and full games from steam or direct 2 drive. Thats not all that often.
Note to folks who have lots of people on their same connection! If you all play WOW download the update ONCE!!! then put it on your network :P!!! I had two friends come over to play and they both didn't have the newest patch, and they both had downloaded like 40% of it before i told them WTH man no just use this... nice chunk of my paltry 10 gig limit!!
So rather than trying to raise your cap, you're happy that others have been dragged down to where you are?
Doesn't make much sense to me.
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To all of you complaining about how 250GB isn't the greatest injustice in the history of injustices. Let me explain something.
We're Americans, and we're rich(except for maybe that recession thing going on right now). We eat money salads everyday and wear monocles and tophats while we're doing it. To even think these crooks at Comcast would dare put a limit on my internet, enrages me.
Why if I even come across a Comcast employee I shall deliver upon to them a royal caning the likes of which they have never seen!
We're Americans, and we're rich(except for maybe that recession thing going on right now). We eat money salads everyday and wear monocles and tophats while we're doing it. To even think these crooks at Comcast would dare put a limit on my internet, enrages me.
So switch provider.
No other providers? Heck, buy one and tell them to lay down some fiber. You're rich, right?
We're not saying 10gigs isn't horrible, or what have you
We're saying that to hit the cap comcast has set would require an absurd level of file transfer. As in, more than a residential customer not using the connection for business purposes should need.
Again: this means downloading four movies from netflix per day every day for a month in order to hit the cap.
I'm not surprised in the least to see cable companies imposing traffic caps, but when DSL companies start doing it I worry. There has to be some serious negligence in infrastructure maintenance in order for there to be problems with DSL customers not getting the bandwidth they're paying fore.
Every time I see one of these stories, I praise Jeebus that I live in Saskatchewan. SaskTel here is probably one of the best ISPs around. Sure, they aren't all rainbows and kittens, but they don't impose traffic caps and never will. If you call up tech support, their people will tell you how to configure your torrent client to get better downloads!
If I ever have to move away from this rectangular province, I will be a very sad panda.
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There has to be some serious negligence in infrastructure maintenance in order for there to be problems with DSL customers not getting the bandwidth they're paying fore.
All ISPs, no matter how they deliver, oversell bandwidth. No ISP actually has num_customers * offered_bandwidth in available bandwidth. They just hope all customers don't use it at once.
There has to be some serious negligence in infrastructure maintenance in order for there to be problems with DSL customers not getting the bandwidth they're paying fore.
All ISPs, no matter how they deliver, oversell bandwidth. No ISP actually has num_customers * offered_bandwidth in available bandwidth. They just hope all customers don't use it at once.
No you see in America they do because they have limitless money salads and whatever so they can.
Some MMO's currently out would allow you to blow through a 5th of your monthly bandwidth in a day.
And this is where I'll be asking for the names of these MMOs that gorge 50 gigs a day.
I think he's talking about "downloading and patching the client", not "playing."
Yeah, that's exactly what I'm saying. I'm sorry I wasn't terribly clear but I guess I thought that would be obvious, especially considering the rest of my comments.
I know 250 is a pretty high limit, but I don't like there to be limits period. It gets into the whole slippery slope thing others have been talking about.
Does this cap include digital cable on demand usage as well?
No, this is Comcast's internet offerings.
As for slippery slope.... what. I hate that argument. By that argument the first time ink touches paper on a constitution for a country, they're well on their way to facism or some shit. Nothing is automatically going to become repressive because someone puts a sanity clause in their contracts. This is the same slippery slope as your car insurance adding a clause that it's void if you were doing over 250 mph.
It sounds like the limit's been there all along. Just rather than saying "don't download obscene amounts of the internet", they've gone "don't download over 250gb of internet"
They'd have stopped you at the same point anyway, just now you know what that point is.
Does this cap include digital cable on demand usage as well?
No, this is Comcast's internet offerings.
As for slippery slope.... what. I hate that argument. By that argument the first time ink touches paper on a constitution for a country, they're well on their way to facism or some shit. Nothing is automatically going to become repressive because someone puts a sanity clause in their contracts. This is the same slippery slope as your car insurance adding a clause that it's void if you were doing over 250 mph.
Or like the manufacturer of a line of rally-bred vehicles voiding your warranty for doing Autocross.
oh wait
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Does this cap include digital cable on demand usage as well?
No, this is Comcast's internet offerings.
As for slippery slope.... what. I hate that argument. By that argument the first time ink touches paper on a constitution for a country, they're well on their way to facism or some shit. Nothing is automatically going to become repressive because someone puts a sanity clause in their contracts. This is the same slippery slope as your car insurance adding a clause that it's void if you were doing over 250 mph.
Someone needs to teach you analogies.
The problem is that when many people signed up for Comcast they bought, for example, a 10 Mbps connection. This works out to a 1.25 MBps connection which, if you were maxing your down pipe constantly, implies a monthly limit of 3.14 TB ((1.25 * 60 * 60 *24 * 30)/1024), a completely unapproachable number for household use. Since this limit was not advertised when people bought the service, they are now understandably angry. And now here's the crux of the situation, even if it's a reasonable restriction that you're highly unlikely to hit it's still a restriction that was not enumerated before.
Does this cap include digital cable on demand usage as well?
No, this is Comcast's internet offerings.
As for slippery slope.... what. I hate that argument. By that argument the first time ink touches paper on a constitution for a country, they're well on their way to facism or some shit. Nothing is automatically going to become repressive because someone puts a sanity clause in their contracts. This is the same slippery slope as your car insurance adding a clause that it's void if you were doing over 250 mph.
Someone needs to teach you analogies.
The problem is that when many people signed up for Comcast they bought, for example, a 10 Mbps connection. This works out to a 1.25 MBps connection which, if you were maxing your down pipe constantly, implies a monthly limit of 3.14 TB ((1.25 * 60 * 60 *24 * 30)/1024), a completely unapproachable number for household use. Since this limit was not advertised when people bought the service, they are now understandably angry. And now here's the crux of the situation, even if it's a reasonable restriction that you're highly unlikely to hit it's still a restriction that was not enumerated before.
except comcast hadn't said "hey as long as you're paying the connection you can max it out all the time every day" they said "hey you're paying the connection but we're gonna shut down your internet if you use it an obscene amount". now they say "btw an obscene amount is 250gb/month". they enumerated that there was a restriction, now they're clarifying exactly what the restriction is. what's the problem?
Thankfully, my year-long contract with Comcast just expired, and wouldn't you know it, so did their exclusivity deal with my apartment complex. Looks like I'm going to check out AT&T.
Honestly, I probably don't come anywhere near 250GB in a month, unless Hulu's compression is really awful. It's the principle of the thing. They offer a slow connection. It cuts out at least once per week. It becomes noticeably slower from about 5pm to 10pm. And the upstream speeds are laughable. Now they want to cap it?
Man, fuck Comcast and their awful service. This is the last straw.
Does this cap include digital cable on demand usage as well?
No, this is Comcast's internet offerings.
As for slippery slope.... what. I hate that argument. By that argument the first time ink touches paper on a constitution for a country, they're well on their way to facism or some shit. Nothing is automatically going to become repressive because someone puts a sanity clause in their contracts. This is the same slippery slope as your car insurance adding a clause that it's void if you were doing over 250 mph.
Someone needs to teach you analogies.
The problem is that when many people signed up for Comcast they bought, for example, a 10 Mbps connection. This works out to a 1.25 MBps connection which, if you were maxing your down pipe constantly, implies a monthly limit of 3.14 TB ((1.25 * 60 * 60 *24 * 30)/1024), a completely unapproachable number for household use. Since this limit was not advertised when people bought the service, they are now understandably angry. And now here's the crux of the situation, even if it's a reasonable restriction that you're highly unlikely to hit it's still a restriction that was not enumerated before.
except comcast hadn't said "hey as long as you're paying the connection you can max it out all the time every day" they said "hey you're paying the connection but we're gonna shut down your internet if you use it an obscene amount". now they say "btw an obscene amount is 250gb/month". they enumerated that there was a restriction, now they're clarifying exactly what the restriction is. what's the problem?
Here are the terms of use for Comcast internet dated January 2006, specifically the bandwidth usage part:
Comcast may provide versions of the Service with different speeds and bandwidth usage limitations, among other characteristics, subject to applicable Service plans. You shall ensure that your use of the Service does not restrict, inhibit, interfere with, or degrade any other user's use of the Service, nor represent (in the sole judgment of Comcast) an overly large burden on the network. In addition, you shall ensure that your use of the Service does not restrict, inhibit, interfere with, disrupt, degrade, or impede Comcast's ability to deliver and provide the Service and monitor the Service, backbone, network nodes, and/or other network services.
You further agree to comply with all Comcast network, bandwidth, and data storage and usage limitations. You shall ensure that your bandwidth consumption using the Service does not exceed the limitations that are now in effect or may be established in the future. If your use of the Service results in the consumption of bandwidth in excess of the applicable limitations, that is a violation of this Policy. In such cases, Comcast may, in its sole discretion, terminate or suspend your Service account or request that you subscribe to a version of the Service with higher bandwidth usage limitations if you wish to continue to use the Service at higher bandwidth consumption levels.
Where in the above quote does it say there are restrictions? It says that if there are you have to abide by them, which implies that they may exist, but it doesn't actually say if they are in place. Also, looking at the internet services section on Comcast's site, there is nothing there to say that there is a limit. It just points you to the terms of use.
Edit: Yes, the wording of the terms leaves them outs, but that doesn't mean that whatever they do is ethically right with respect to their customers.
But if you'd gone over 250 before, they would've done the same thing they're saying they'll do now. The only difference, according to reports, is that you now know about it.
My brother and sisters are Youtube whores BIG TIME. They also download lots of music (ololol theatre majors), but they have already maxed their hard drives. I'll just let them know to take it easy.
Does this cap include digital cable on demand usage as well?
No, this is Comcast's internet offerings.
As for slippery slope.... what. I hate that argument. By that argument the first time ink touches paper on a constitution for a country, they're well on their way to facism or some shit. Nothing is automatically going to become repressive because someone puts a sanity clause in their contracts. This is the same slippery slope as your car insurance adding a clause that it's void if you were doing over 250 mph.
Someone needs to teach you analogies.
The problem is that when many people signed up for Comcast they bought, for example, a 10 Mbps connection. This works out to a 1.25 MBps connection which, if you were maxing your down pipe constantly, implies a monthly limit of 3.14 TB ((1.25 * 60 * 60 *24 * 30)/1024), a completely unapproachable number for household use. Since this limit was not advertised when people bought the service, they are now understandably angry. And now here's the crux of the situation, even if it's a reasonable restriction that you're highly unlikely to hit it's still a restriction that was not enumerated before.
Which is why you can opt out of the contract with no early termination fees due to a change in the contract!
If you feel you'll hit the cap.
Companies changing their TOS due to changing circumstances is pretty normal. In this case they sold unlimited, a few people proceeded to do business on a residential class connection, and they added a "knock it the fuck off" rule.
I don't consider adding a sanity check to something to be ZOMG SLIPPERY SLOPE ZOMG.
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Some MMO's currently out would allow you to blow through a 5th of your monthly bandwidth in a day.
As for reformatting, that's 100gb. Okay... so you've used less than half your allowance due to a rare situation. You still have 150gb left, which is still 2 movies a day for the month.
Downloading Vanguard + patches is 30gb, which leaves you with 3 1/2 movies a day for the rest of the month.
250gb is absurd for anything short of business use. Which is likely why they offer a business service as well without the cap for 10/mo more. :P
Please, consider sending just $1 a day.
My area had a strong Comcast monopoly for a few years. Wide Open West (cable) and AT&T (DSL) have plans that can compare to Comcast's basic and mid grade plans but not their 16Mbps down plan.
For less than the cost of a cup of coffee, little Jack can have enough bandwidth to shoot mans with guns in Team Fortress 2. For the cost of a donut with that coffee, Jack can obtain a better connection to let him make deadly Sniper shots. Your pennies can make the difference between "Critical Hit!" and "Respawn in 20 seconds."
Please give generously.
Can trade TF2 items or whatever else you're interested in. PM me.
And this is where I'll be asking for the names of these MMOs that gorge 50 gigs a day.
I think he's talking about "downloading and patching the client", not "playing."
Can trade TF2 items or whatever else you're interested in. PM me.
That puts you at 80g/month, which is a third the limit.
Comcast's service in some areas is terrible, we're just trying to hammer in exactly how much 250 gigs is.
shaw down south where i go to school is alright though, i get 60 gigs and faster then back home for 20$ cheaper.
I can see this maybe bothering some setups who have like lots of people using it though. Like 4+?
The only time I use big chunks has got to be for downloading mmo updates and full games from steam or direct 2 drive. Thats not all that often.
Note to folks who have lots of people on their same connection! If you all play WOW download the update ONCE!!! then put it on your network :P!!! I had two friends come over to play and they both didn't have the newest patch, and they both had downloaded like 40% of it before i told them WTH man no just use this... nice chunk of my paltry 10 gig limit!!
So rather than trying to raise your cap, you're happy that others have been dragged down to where you are?
Doesn't make much sense to me.
Can trade TF2 items or whatever else you're interested in. PM me.
We're Americans, and we're rich(except for maybe that recession thing going on right now). We eat money salads everyday and wear monocles and tophats while we're doing it. To even think these crooks at Comcast would dare put a limit on my internet, enrages me.
Why if I even come across a Comcast employee I shall deliver upon to them a royal caning the likes of which they have never seen!
So switch provider.
No other providers? Heck, buy one and tell them to lay down some fiber. You're rich, right?
No, we're saying you're not even close to as restricted as you think you are.
Being ahead of your standards doesn't mean we're not below our own.
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We're saying that to hit the cap comcast has set would require an absurd level of file transfer. As in, more than a residential customer not using the connection for business purposes should need.
Again: this means downloading four movies from netflix per day every day for a month in order to hit the cap.
Never said you weren't. Still not a massive travesty, since I'm curious to understand who could feasibly use up 250GiB without being a massive pirate.
Linux nerds.
:P
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Blaaaaaahhhh what
So instead of downloading 250GiB of games I download 250GiB of Linux distros and the same packages for all of them instead.
?
Every time I see one of these stories, I praise Jeebus that I live in Saskatchewan. SaskTel here is probably one of the best ISPs around. Sure, they aren't all rainbows and kittens, but they don't impose traffic caps and never will. If you call up tech support, their people will tell you how to configure your torrent client to get better downloads!
If I ever have to move away from this rectangular province, I will be a very sad panda.
Set a man on fire, and he's warm for the rest of his life.
- Terry Pratchett
All ISPs, no matter how they deliver, oversell bandwidth. No ISP actually has num_customers * offered_bandwidth in available bandwidth. They just hope all customers don't use it at once.
No you see in America they do because they have limitless money salads and whatever so they can.
Yeah, that's exactly what I'm saying. I'm sorry I wasn't terribly clear but I guess I thought that would be obvious, especially considering the rest of my comments.
I know 250 is a pretty high limit, but I don't like there to be limits period. It gets into the whole slippery slope thing others have been talking about.
No, this is Comcast's internet offerings.
As for slippery slope.... what. I hate that argument. By that argument the first time ink touches paper on a constitution for a country, they're well on their way to facism or some shit. Nothing is automatically going to become repressive because someone puts a sanity clause in their contracts. This is the same slippery slope as your car insurance adding a clause that it's void if you were doing over 250 mph.
They'd have stopped you at the same point anyway, just now you know what that point is.
Or like the manufacturer of a line of rally-bred vehicles voiding your warranty for doing Autocross.
oh wait
Can trade TF2 items or whatever else you're interested in. PM me.
Someone needs to teach you analogies.
The problem is that when many people signed up for Comcast they bought, for example, a 10 Mbps connection. This works out to a 1.25 MBps connection which, if you were maxing your down pipe constantly, implies a monthly limit of 3.14 TB ((1.25 * 60 * 60 *24 * 30)/1024), a completely unapproachable number for household use. Since this limit was not advertised when people bought the service, they are now understandably angry. And now here's the crux of the situation, even if it's a reasonable restriction that you're highly unlikely to hit it's still a restriction that was not enumerated before.
except comcast hadn't said "hey as long as you're paying the connection you can max it out all the time every day" they said "hey you're paying the connection but we're gonna shut down your internet if you use it an obscene amount". now they say "btw an obscene amount is 250gb/month". they enumerated that there was a restriction, now they're clarifying exactly what the restriction is. what's the problem?
Honestly, I probably don't come anywhere near 250GB in a month, unless Hulu's compression is really awful. It's the principle of the thing. They offer a slow connection. It cuts out at least once per week. It becomes noticeably slower from about 5pm to 10pm. And the upstream speeds are laughable. Now they want to cap it?
Man, fuck Comcast and their awful service. This is the last straw.
Here are the terms of use for Comcast internet dated January 2006, specifically the bandwidth usage part:
And here's a link to the page where that quote lives - http://www.comcast.net/terms/use.jsp.
Where in the above quote does it say there are restrictions? It says that if there are you have to abide by them, which implies that they may exist, but it doesn't actually say if they are in place. Also, looking at the internet services section on Comcast's site, there is nothing there to say that there is a limit. It just points you to the terms of use.
Edit: Yes, the wording of the terms leaves them outs, but that doesn't mean that whatever they do is ethically right with respect to their customers.
Which is why you can opt out of the contract with no early termination fees due to a change in the contract!
If you feel you'll hit the cap.
Companies changing their TOS due to changing circumstances is pretty normal. In this case they sold unlimited, a few people proceeded to do business on a residential class connection, and they added a "knock it the fuck off" rule.
I don't consider adding a sanity check to something to be ZOMG SLIPPERY SLOPE ZOMG.
Hopefully they add the ability to see where your bandwidth is at for the month so you can reasonably know how much you use.