Yeah, it was subtle but she definitely implied it was a choice in there.
I was playing a fun game reading the transcript...I call it "spot the talking point." Basically you just try and find the specific tidbits that her handlers tried to get her to memorize based on (mostly) verbatim repetition.
After a quick skim of the parts I hadn't seen before, I noticed "boon to trial lawyers" regarding the Ledbetter Act.
And yes, all candidates fall back on talking points every now and then. But few as often or as obviously as she does. For instance, I could probably find a dozen talking points that Obama brings up often in his speeches or interviews. But you won't find many that he repeats verbatim twice in response to the same question.
The "political winds"/finger wave moment was, for me, the most embarassingly scripted moment I've seen yet. It was also the most obnoxious.
Yeah, it was subtle but she definitely implied it was a choice in there.
Implied, hell, she said right out "she made a choice I wouldn't have made". Pretty direct.
I know being straight was a choice I had to put a lot of thought into. I mean, improved fashion sense, not having to be in the military, having a cute butt, all pluses, but at the end of the day sucking cock was too high a price to pay.
I still remember when I made my choice. I was 13, confused, and I really wanted to try masturbating. But I didn't know what to get aroused to. So I looked around on the interwebs for a few until I found both some gay porn and some straight porn.
I alt-tabbed back and forth for a few, weighing the pros and cons of each. I made lists for each, with two columns.
But it was a tie.
For the better part of an hour I sat there, frustrated, not knowing what to do. I went over and over my options, looking for any sign of which road I should choose.
Eventually, knowing I had to do something, I gave up on trying to use logic and reason in this.
I pulled out my lucky quarter. Heads or tails, best of three. Tails twice in a row, and I've stuck with the vag ever since.
It's good to know that, had it come up cocks, Sarah Palin wouldn't have judged me for that choice.
Reading the interview, why do fundamentalists like her? She takes positions so vague on most of the issues important to her that McCain probably takes a position closer to what fundamentalists want.
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Couric: Gov. Palin, I know you'd like to see drilling take place in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. And Sen. McCain, you oppose this. You call it, quote, "one of the most pristine and beautiful parts of the world."
McCain: Uh huh.
Couric: Who's right?
McCain: Did you expect two mavericks to agree on - (laughter) to agree on everything? Look, I … we just have, we'll be talking more and more about this issue. We do agree on the off-shore drilling and other means of limiting our dependence on foreign oil. But for us to agree on everything would make us, I think, a little boring. You can … say a lot about us, but we're anything but boring.
Couric: Who's gonna cave on this issue?
Palin: I don't think there's any need to characterize anything as caving. We'll continue to work together on this issue. And that issue is domestic supplies of energy being tapped, flowing into very, very, very hungry markets across our U.S. And we are on the same page there in seeking solutions to reach that goal.
Couric: At peak production, governor …
McCain: I wanna go and moose-hunt with her. And then we can, maybe we can have a look.
It's like they were prepping for the interview by doing whippits.
I still remember when I made my choice. I was 13, confused, and I really wanted to try masturbating. But I didn't know what to get aroused to. So I looked around on the interwebs for a few until I found both some gay porn and some straight porn.
I alt-tabbed back and forth for a few, weighing the pros and cons of each. I made lists for each, with two columns.
But it was a tie.
For the better part of an hour I sat there, frustrated, not knowing what to do. I went over and over my options, looking for any sign of which road I should choose.
Eventually, knowing I had to do something, I gave up on trying to use logic and reason in this.
I pulled out my lucky quarter. Heads or tails, best of three. Tails twice in a row, and I've stuck with the vag ever since.
It's good to know that, had it come up cocks, Sarah Palin wouldn't have judged me for that choice.
Reading the interview, why do fundamentalists like her? She takes positions so vague on most of the issues important to her that McCain probably takes a position closer to what fundamentalists want.
I think she, or one of the advisers at least, is smart enough to know that saying the Earth is 6000 years old might fly in a town of 5000, but you can't say that on national TV, even in America. So she can't say what she thinks and she doesn't want to lie. But enough of her history is out for fundies to recognize their own.
olol I'm watching Bay Buchanan spin the newspaper thing. Carville's trying not to laugh.
Man, there is something fundamentally wrong when a news show's idea of journalism is to interview people who are PAID TO PARROT A PARTY LINE.
YOU DON'T THROW FACTS AND FIGURES AT PEOPLE.
BUT THEY'RE FILLING PALIN FULL OF FACTS OF FIGURES.
WHO HAS BARACK OBAMA TAKEN ON IN HIS OWN PARTY? NAME ME ONE!
Hillary Clinton?
GAHOIAHGOAHGI!
Did this actually happen?
Yes. The best part is is that after Bay challenged Carville to name a democrat Obama had gone up against, she continued to blabber because I'm pretty sure even she knew "Umm, Hillary Clinton, you dolt?" would be the response.
Reading the interview, why do fundamentalists like her? She takes positions so vague on most of the issues important to her that McCain probably takes a position closer to what fundamentalists want.
You're going off her responses to a national media interview. Not the best place to focus on why fundies like her.
Personally I just want to ask the person when they chose to enjoy/not enjoy sucking cock. Since they obviously must have made that decision at some point in their life and are sticking with it.
It was my graduation dinner and I was just sitting down at my table and getting ready to really go to town on some top-quality schlong when I stopped and said to myself "Is this really what I want with my life? I can be so straight if I just put my mind to it!"
That's when I dedicated myself to the honest pursuit of primo trim.
But just as she does now, Ms. Palin often spoke in generalities and showed scant aptitude for developing arguments beyond a talking point or two. Her sentences were distinguished by their repetition of words, by the use of the phrase “here in Alaska” and for gaps. On paper, her sentences would have been difficult to diagram.
John Bitney, the policy director for her campaign for governor and the main person who helped prepare her for debates, said her repetition of words was “her way of running down the clock as her mind searches for where she wants to go.”
These tendencies could fuzz her meaning and lead her into linguistic cul-de-sacs. She often used less than her allotted time and ended her answers abruptly.
When questioned about the nuts and bolts of governing, Ms. Palin tended to avoid specifics and instead fell back on her core values: a broadly conservative philosophy and a can-do spirit.
“My attitude and my approaches towards dealing with the complexities of health care issues,” she said in an AARP debate in October 2006, “is a respectful and responsible approach, and it’s a positive approach. I don’t believe that the sky is falling here in Alaska.”
These patterns could help explain why the McCain campaign negotiated for less time for discussion in her debate Thursday with Senator Joseph R. Biden Jr. of Delaware than the presidential candidates had in their debate last week.
Ms. Palin was not always at her best when questioned by her opponents in the governor’s race.
In the AARP debate, Mr. Knowles and Andrew Halcro, an independent, double-teamed her to press her about how she would pay for health care.
In response to Mr. Knowles, she mentioned “certificates of need” and said they had been inflexible, “creating an environment where a lot of folks are lacking the receiving of their health care that is needed in some of the areas, especially in some of our larger markets.” She added, “The State of Alaska needs to be looking specifically at that inflexibility that exists today in order to fill some of the market needs that are out there in Alaska in our larger markets.”
She then added, “I can’t tell you how much that will reduce monetarily our health care costs, but competition makes everyone better, it makes us work harder, it does allow reduction in costs, so addressing that is going to be a priority.”
Mr. Knowles was nonplussed, saying that he did not understand her answer and that Ms. Palin had missed the point.
Mr. Halcro asked how she would pay for critical health care programs.
“Well, the point there, Andrew,” she said, “is that these are critical, and again it’s a matter of prioritizing and it’s a matter of government understanding its proper role in public safety, is health care, so it’s a matter of priorities.”
Mr. Halcro called her answer “political gibberish.”
But other times, she gave direct answers that appealed directly to her audience. The candidates were asked in a debate on Aug. 17, 2006, by a rural resident via video whether they would restore a longevity bonus for senior citizens, a payment intended to keep them from leaving the state.
“No,” Mr. Murkowski said gruffly. John Binkley, a third candidate, said yes. Ms. Palin’s response was filled with emotion.
“Yes, our precious, precious elders,” she said, looking into the camera. “For those who were prematurely lopped off, I am so sorry that that has happened to you.”
But generally, her voice carried surprisingly little affect.
“In tone, manner and sometimes even language, she treated every issue exactly the same,” Michael Carey, the former editorial page editor of The Anchorage Daily News, wrote in an essay about Ms. Palin. “She gave no suggestion that some issues are of higher priority than others. Her voice was cheerful, up-tempo, optimistic, never off key but always in the same key.”
Perhaps her strength in debating was coming across like an average person who understood the average person’s needs and would not be expected to have detailed policy prescriptions.
She also neutralized some of her conservative social views. She said intelligent design should be taught in schools — along with evolution. She said she favored the teaching of abstinence — along with the teaching of sex education. “Let the kids debate both sides,” she said.
She was not a particularly aggressive debater, and she rarely took an opportunity to challenge her opponents. But when pressed, she could be tough. In a roundtable discussion in October on the “Bob and Mark Show,” Mr. Halcro suggested that Ms. Palin had not attended enough debates.
“It’s been a year today that I’ve been on the campaign trail,” Ms. Palin responded, “attending many, many more forums, more debates, than either one of you, Tony and Andrew, because I had a primary opponent. You know, you got to have the balls to take it on in the early part of a campaign, and not just go right to the big show.”
Reading the interview, why do fundamentalists like her? She takes positions so vague on most of the issues important to her that McCain probably takes a position closer to what fundamentalists want.
You're going off her responses to a national media interview. Not the best place to focus on why fundies like her.
Seriously. She's got, like, underground fundie cred. She was fundie back before fundie was cool and all the kids were into it. She doesn't need to wear it on her sleeve, like some cheap Christian t-shirt from the Christian bookstore. That shit's for posers.
Daily Show goes right to work nailing the McCain campaign for taking credit for the bailout "passing".
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Palin is the worst thing McCain has done in this campaign. People liken her to an albatross around his neck, I see it more as an albatross eating his genitals with ferocity.
This is just amazingly bad. Even Dan Quayle was not this bad.
I fully expect to see a Sarah Palin ranking in Civilization V, underneath Dan Quayle.
She said she favored the teaching of abstinence — along with the teaching of sex education. “Let the kids debate both sides,†she said.
Isn't the issue that some parents don't want their kids to know the other side of this particular debate even exists?
Here's my problem with both:
The basic idea of a debate is a deep understanding of a subject with opposing viewpoints. Sex ed, whether teaching abstinence or safe sex, implies the kids have a rudimentary knowledge of sex (penis goes in, everyone's happy, usually you need beer). Saying that these kids will debate both sides of the issue after just being taught boilerplate sexual education (even though safe sex ed continually says "Abstinence is the only real safe sex", a phrase I have so many problems with) is fucking ludicrous.
This woman is promoting the free exchange of ideas to people who just fucking learned them and have absolutely no experience. I'm tired of her "THE KIDS SHOULD LEARN BOTH SIDES AND THEN DEBATE IT" when that's a fundamentally ridiculous position.
She said she favored the teaching of abstinence — along with the teaching of sex education. “Let the kids debate both sides,†she said.
Isn't the issue that some parents don't want their kids to know the other side of this particular debate even exists?
Yeah, I guess, but I mean it doesn't matter if the teachers that are hired are all pre-screened to be firmly abstinence and "forget" to mention the other side.
olol I'm watching Bay Buchanan spin the newspaper thing. Carville's trying not to laugh.
Man, there is something fundamentally wrong when a news show's idea of journalism is to interview people who are PAID TO PARROT A PARTY LINE.
YOU DON'T THROW FACTS AND FIGURES AT PEOPLE.
BUT THEY'RE FILLING PALIN FULL OF FACTS OF FIGURES.
WHO HAS BARACK OBAMA TAKEN ON IN HIS OWN PARTY? NAME ME ONE!
Hillary Clinton?
GAHOIAHGOAHGI!
Did this actually happen?
Yes. The best part is is that after Bay challenged Carville to name a democrat Obama had gone up against, she continued to blabber because I'm pretty sure even she knew "Umm, Hillary Clinton, you dolt?" would be the response.
In a widely quoted 2006 survey she answered during her gubernatorial campaign, Palin said she supported abstinence-until-marriage programs. But weeks later, she proclaimed herself "pro-contraception" and said condoms ought to be discussed in schools alongside abstinence.
"I'm pro-contraception, and I think kids who may not hear about it at home should hear about it in other avenues," she said during a debate in Juneau.
Palin spokeswoman Maria Comella said the governor stands by her 2006 statement, supporting sex education that covers both abstinence and contraception.
I still remember when I made my choice. I was 13, confused, and I really wanted to try masturbating. But I didn't know what to get aroused to. So I looked around on the interwebs for a few until I found both some gay porn and some straight porn.
I alt-tabbed back and forth for a few, weighing the pros and cons of each. I made lists for each, with two columns.
But it was a tie.
For the better part of an hour I sat there, frustrated, not knowing what to do. I went over and over my options, looking for any sign of which road I should choose.
Eventually, knowing I had to do something, I gave up on trying to use logic and reason in this.
I pulled out my lucky quarter. Heads or tails, best of three. Tails twice in a row, and I've stuck with the vag ever since.
It's good to know that, had it come up cocks, Sarah Palin wouldn't have judged me for that choice.
Damn, I never even thought of using my lucky quarter. That's brilliant. I ended up compromising and alt-tab-tab'd to the lesbian porn and cranked one out and have since spent my life going after women who have no interest in me. Sadly this is not because they are gay.
I don't remember all this debating in my middle school and high school years, either. I mean, is the 8th grade like grad school now, where the kids just read the course material and chew it out while the teacher does dick all?
Fuck calculus and higher math. I got rid of my imaginary friend when I was four, why the fuck do I need imaginary numbers?
I have yet to find a use for imaginary numbers or quadratic equations. And they only method of thinking they taught me was many and more creative ways to cheat at math.
Yes, people get angry when you insinuate that your sexuality is a choice, particularly when you're using that line of reasoning to deny them legal protection for their relationships, etc.
Heh, like my Mormon boss. "My church doesn't believe that homosexuals are sinners, just that they would probably be happier if they were straight. Or at least, stopped being gay. I mean, the church doesn't kick them out if they're gay. You can be gay and be Mormon. They just can't be 'practicing gay.'"
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Implied, hell, she said right out "she made a choice I wouldn't have made". Pretty direct.
I know being straight was a choice I had to put a lot of thought into. I mean, improved fashion sense, not having to be in the military, having a cute butt, all pluses, but at the end of the day sucking cock was too high a price to pay.
I alt-tabbed back and forth for a few, weighing the pros and cons of each. I made lists for each, with two columns.
But it was a tie.
For the better part of an hour I sat there, frustrated, not knowing what to do. I went over and over my options, looking for any sign of which road I should choose.
Eventually, knowing I had to do something, I gave up on trying to use logic and reason in this.
I pulled out my lucky quarter. Heads or tails, best of three. Tails twice in a row, and I've stuck with the vag ever since.
It's good to know that, had it come up cocks, Sarah Palin wouldn't have judged me for that choice.
Do not taint the memory of Schoolhouse Rock.
It's like they were prepping for the interview by doing whippits.
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There's a good reason for that...
Maverick.
The Republicans really should have just nominated James Garner.
Or Tom Cruise.
Good post for Strange & Embarassing moments?
I think she, or one of the advisers at least, is smart enough to know that saying the Earth is 6000 years old might fly in a town of 5000, but you can't say that on national TV, even in America. So she can't say what she thinks and she doesn't want to lie. But enough of her history is out for fundies to recognize their own.
In 2008, the only choice...is MURPHY'S CHOICE.
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Yes. The best part is is that after Bay challenged Carville to name a democrat Obama had gone up against, she continued to blabber because I'm pretty sure even she knew "Umm, Hillary Clinton, you dolt?" would be the response.
It was golden.
You're going off her responses to a national media interview. Not the best place to focus on why fundies like her.
It was my graduation dinner and I was just sitting down at my table and getting ready to really go to town on some top-quality schlong when I stopped and said to myself "Is this really what I want with my life? I can be so straight if I just put my mind to it!"
That's when I dedicated myself to the honest pursuit of primo trim.
Palin is a man confirmed!
Seriously. She's got, like, underground fundie cred. She was fundie back before fundie was cool and all the kids were into it. She doesn't need to wear it on her sleeve, like some cheap Christian t-shirt from the Christian bookstore. That shit's for posers.
This is just amazingly bad. Even Dan Quayle was not this bad.
I fully expect to see a Sarah Palin ranking in Civilization V, underneath Dan Quayle.
Is it ok to refer to Palin as Queen Ramblonia from now on?
Yeah basically.
Also, who the hell thinks kids should decide what they learn? Calculus, let them decide whether or not they need it.
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Here's my problem with both:
The basic idea of a debate is a deep understanding of a subject with opposing viewpoints. Sex ed, whether teaching abstinence or safe sex, implies the kids have a rudimentary knowledge of sex (penis goes in, everyone's happy, usually you need beer). Saying that these kids will debate both sides of the issue after just being taught boilerplate sexual education (even though safe sex ed continually says "Abstinence is the only real safe sex", a phrase I have so many problems with) is fucking ludicrous.
This woman is promoting the free exchange of ideas to people who just fucking learned them and have absolutely no experience. I'm tired of her "THE KIDS SHOULD LEARN BOTH SIDES AND THEN DEBATE IT" when that's a fundamentally ridiculous position.
Yeah, I guess, but I mean it doesn't matter if the teachers that are hired are all pre-screened to be firmly abstinence and "forget" to mention the other side.
do you know how many people with treatable mental illness end up on SSID because they can't afford actual treatment instead
it's just shifting the cost
Fuck calculus and higher math. I got rid of my imaginary friend when I was four, why the fuck do I need imaginary numbers?
Looks like it.
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-sexed6-2008sep06,0,5768481.story
Why do fundamentalists like her?
Damn, I never even thought of using my lucky quarter. That's brilliant. I ended up compromising and alt-tab-tab'd to the lesbian porn and cranked one out and have since spent my life going after women who have no interest in me.
Sadly this is not because they are gay.
Heh, like my Mormon boss. "My church doesn't believe that homosexuals are sinners, just that they would probably be happier if they were straight. Or at least, stopped being gay. I mean, the church doesn't kick them out if they're gay. You can be gay and be Mormon. They just can't be 'practicing gay.'"