didn't see thses guys posted yet... Exempler Cenerators.
Emboldened from the wounds inflicted by the impure, Exemplar Cinerators move ahead of their brothers in arms, the Bastions, to breach enemy ranks with flame and steel. Cinerators channel the agony of their wounds into holy rage and are armed with ancient blades and shields passed down from fallen Knights through the centuries. An unquenchable flame flickers across the blade, blazing white-hot when wielded in battle.
I don't care what game system you play, those are some badass looking dudes right there.
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didn't see thses guys posted yet... Exempler Cenerators.
Cinerators have been out for a while. They trade Sanguine Bond, Reach, and Blessed for +1 ARM, +2SPD when damaged, and Avatar's Flame Burst. Same point cost.
If they had reach, they might have been worth while.
There's nothing wrong with it, but sanguine bond is so good.
The problem is +1.5" threat all the time is better than +2" threat some of the time. The only time it would be good is if they managed to do one our two damage on turn one, so that they could get the +4" on a run.
Flame Burst is ten times easier to dodge than Shatter Storm.
+1 arm is terribly inferior to Sanguine Bond, especially in Harby/pReclaimer lists. I could see them being used in eReclaimer lists, maybe.
Pretty sure PP said at some point that the large-based casters wouldn't go epic.
That UA is sick. WTB something that good for Stormguard. kkthx
It doesn't have a mini-feat, though. +4rng, rof 2, or even CRA for 1 round would have been nice. I do like how it gives you a reason to keep the standard around, seeing as he is entirely useless without Purity. He's entirely useless with eKreoss, though.
It's the same reason why the Mage Hunters don't have CRA. If they did, they'd be asininely broken. The Errants already ignore every spell buff in the game. With the Solo, they also get to ignore concealment and cover and LOS through forests. Really, the only things they can't ignore at this point that the MHSF get to are clouds, buildings, other models, and focus points.
Pretty sure PP said at some point that the large-based casters wouldn't go epic.
That UA is sick. WTB something that good for Stormguard. kkthx
It doesn't have a mini-feat, though. +4rng, rof 2, or even CRA for 1 round would have been nice. I do like how it gives you a reason to keep the standard around, seeing as he is entirely useless without Purity. He's entirely useless with eKreoss, though.
It's the same reason why the Mage Hunters don't have CRA. If they did, they'd be asininely broken. The Errants already ignore every spell buff in the game. With the Solo, they also get to ignore concealment and cover and LOS through forests. Really, the only things they can't ignore at this point that the MHSF get to are clouds, buildings, other models, and focus points.
Haven't actually seen the solo's stats, but that sounds awesome. Part of me just feels robbed by not having a minifeat.
Would it be possible to get the Errant solo stats?
Pretty sure PP said at some point that the large-based casters wouldn't go epic.
That UA is sick. WTB something that good for Stormguard. kkthx
It doesn't have a mini-feat, though. +4rng, rof 2, or even CRA for 1 round would have been nice. I do like how it gives you a reason to keep the standard around, seeing as he is entirely useless without Purity. He's entirely useless with eKreoss, though.
It's the same reason why the Mage Hunters don't have CRA. If they did, they'd be asininely broken. The Errants already ignore every spell buff in the game. With the Solo, they also get to ignore concealment and cover and LOS through forests. Really, the only things they can't ignore at this point that the MHSF get to are clouds, buildings, other models, and focus points.
Haven't actually seen the solo's stats, but that sounds awesome. Part of me just feels robbed by not having a minifeat.
Would it be possible to get the Errant solo stats?
The Errant solo is in the NQ that came out back in March.
SPD 6, STR 6, MAT 8, RAT 7, 12/16, CMD 9. AD, Commander, Fearless, Pathfinder
Assault Charge, Call to Sacrifice [Errants], Hunter, Leadership [Errants] - Models in CMD gain Hunter.
Same weapons as Errants.
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edited April 2010
I'm still accepting tournament sign-ups and still checking for confirmation from:
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And everybody who isn't Carnarvon or Plutonium should be working on their lists.
So it looks like the threads detailing the Menoth tier forces were taken down. Well, but I had Reznik's up.
Reznik
Warjacks: all normal ones
Units: Choir, Exemplar Cinerators, Flameguard Cleansers
Solos: Hierophant, Reclaimers, Wracks, Vassal solos
Tier 1: only above
: Wracks at 20 paces. can deploy wracks 20" instead of 16
Tier 2: 2+ Cleansers
: Cleansers gain Advance deploy
Tier 3: 3+ Units
: You get 3 free wracks that ignore FA
Tier 4: 2+ Heavy Jacks
: +2 speed on first turn for jacks
No Bastions, no Errants and meh tier bonuses.
Wracks are great with Reznik, +4" is pretty good. I've never needed more than 3 wracks, though.
2x Min Choir, max Cinerators(with AD!), 1 set of Wracks. That's not bad at all. Take a Guardian so you arc spells with all that extra focus. +2spd means that Crusaders run 12", Reckoners 14". More than enough room for 3 jacks, Cleansers, and Vassals.
Not that his word is his bond or anything. But I believe Douglas Seacat mentioning he wanted to follow up Nightfall with a bit of fluff concerning not-so-major plotline characters. So if anyone went epic in the next expansion I'd look towards the lessor known guys fluffwise. Siege, Mortenbra, Zerkova. As for Baldur.. being the ONLY caster/warlock to actually... well.. die. Rumor has it he'll be returning to Circle, not Legion. Also, I believe in Meta it's hinted that his soul becomes encased within Megalith.
It'd be interesting though to see what actually happens. I suppose it can go either way. I prefer PP's method of fluff over GW's. GW was too generic.. it was here's the good guys, here's the bad guys, everything stays the same. Even with their campaigns nothing really changed. Archaon dies.. that's about it. I like how PP has plots and then subplots - for instance.. Goreshade saying screw you to Cryx to temporarily further his own little war. I mean the whole nobody dies when casters come to blows thing is kinda silly but I see why they have to do that game-wise. We can't have all of the heroes dying off, can we?
As for Cygnar.. I doubt they have anything to worry about from Skorne. They have to collect up and restore what Vinter pretty much ruined. Why? Still a mystery to me. Although PP did a great job leaving it open ended... Vinter could probably return with a new race/faction - who knows.
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Vinter runs away to Zu and returns with an army of Totem Hunters.
Not that his word is his bond or anything. But I believe Douglas Seacat mentioning he wanted to follow up Nightfall with a bit of fluff concerning not-so-major plotline characters. So if anyone went epic in the next expansion I'd look towards the lessor known guys fluffwise. Siege, Mortenbra, Zerkova. As for Baldur.. being the ONLY caster/warlock to actually... well.. die. Rumor has it he'll be returning to Circle, not Legion. Also, I believe in Meta it's hinted that his soul becomes encased within Megalith.
It'd be interesting though to see what actually happens. I suppose it can go either way. I prefer PP's method of fluff over GW's. GW was too generic.. it was here's the good guys, here's the bad guys, everything stays the same. Even with their campaigns nothing really changed. Archaon dies.. that's about it. I like how PP has plots and then subplots - for instance.. Goreshade saying screw you to Cryx to temporarily further his own little war. I mean the whole nobody dies when casters come to blows thing is kinda silly but I see why they have to do that game-wise. We can't have all of the heroes dying off, can we?
As for Cygnar.. I doubt they have anything to worry about from Skorne. They have to collect up and restore what Vinter pretty much ruined. Why? Still a mystery to me. Although PP did a great job leaving it open ended... Vinter could probably return with a new race/faction - who knows.
Technically, Deneghra and the Harbinger have both also died in the fluff (possibly twice for Harby!), but were brought back to life through evil necromancy and/or divine intervention. I would love to see eBaldur be a Wold, that would be pretty neat. It would have to look quite a bit different from the current Wolds, though, so there's no confusion about what is what. Very cool.
Vinter runs away to Zu and returns with an army of Totem Hunters.
That was actually what I thought when I put Meta down after reading. Would be awesome. But then MacBane (McBain?) by virtue of his Schwarzeneggerishness would have to put them all down. Mwhaha
And true.. those 2 girls did die.. guess I forgot since they were resurrected/divinely saved.
If anyone's got any questions, I can look it up quick.
Any chance you could share the general guidelines for ToM's tier list? I'm going to be running ToM at the Nightfall finale tomorrow, and I wanted to see if it was worth changing my list to meet the tier.
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About the epic thing, if Kraye goes epic before Siege I will cry.
Also, about the Mage Hunter ua. Played a tier list against three units of them - each with a UA. Horrible. I saw someone say that their phantom seeker still needs line of sight through models and clouds - is this true? I hope to all the gods so!
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Uhhh, no. They ignore LOS. Period.
Basically the only thing they don't ignore is Stealth.
The druids of the Circle Orboros have continued to experiment with the forbidden processes by which they transform men into the terrifying warpwolves. Volunteers chosen for the keenness of their minds as well as their strength in battle are candidates for the altered rites that produce the warpwolf stalker. Unlike their totally animalistic kin, the stalkers retain a more than animal cunning. They prowl the dense foliage of the Immoren forests, stalking their unsuspecting prey before leaping out to deliver powerful killing blows in a berserk frenzy.
Eh, it looks too... civilized for me.
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If anyone's got any questions, I can look it up quick.
Do Cinerators have reach? Has Avatar changed from his pdf card? Are there any Flameguard solos? Did Cinerators get a UA, or otherwise change from their pdf card?
If anyone's got any questions, I can look it up quick.
Any chance you could share the general guidelines for ToM's tier list? I'm going to be running ToM at the Nightfall finale tomorrow, and I wanted to see if it was worth changing my list to meet the tier.
If anyone's got any questions, I can look it up quick.
Do Cinerators have reach? Did Cinerators get a UA, or otherwise change from their pdf card?
Danke.
No, and no because they might be awesome then. Errants got the badass UA.
What I meant to say was: Did Cleansers get a UA/change from PDF?
Cinerators with reach would have been usable. As in, I still probably wouldn't have taken them. With any luck, they'll get a solo/ua that gives them pathfinder when charging/increased flame burst radius.
Also: ToM's list is pretty damned expensive. 31pts with min units and no zealots/UAs. It's nice to see Idrians getting attention.
Holy shit. I just went on the PoM community section... to try and find the PoM tier lists. And man... I read like 3 pages.. and there are like 5 or 6 people being complete assholes.
I mean, correcting someone when they are wrong is one thing.. But being a complete and total jackass to someone just because they didn't know tiers needed to stack (which is sorta obvious but still..) is really uncalled for.
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I don't care what game system you play, those are some badass looking dudes right there.
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Cinerators have been out for a while. They trade Sanguine Bond, Reach, and Blessed for +1 ARM, +2SPD when damaged, and Avatar's Flame Burst. Same point cost.
If they had reach, they might have been worth while.
Here's to hoping they get it back in FoM.
I see nothing wrong with this.
There's nothing wrong with it, but sanguine bond is so good.
The problem is +1.5" threat all the time is better than +2" threat some of the time. The only time it would be good is if they managed to do one our two damage on turn one, so that they could get the +4" on a run.
Flame Burst is ten times easier to dodge than Shatter Storm.
+1 arm is terribly inferior to Sanguine Bond, especially in Harby/pReclaimer lists. I could see them being used in eReclaimer lists, maybe.
It's the same reason why the Mage Hunters don't have CRA. If they did, they'd be asininely broken. The Errants already ignore every spell buff in the game. With the Solo, they also get to ignore concealment and cover and LOS through forests. Really, the only things they can't ignore at this point that the MHSF get to are clouds, buildings, other models, and focus points.
Haven't actually seen the solo's stats, but that sounds awesome. Part of me just feels robbed by not having a minifeat.
Would it be possible to get the Errant solo stats?
The Gun Mage UA doesn't have a mini-feat either... I'm not complaining. Neither do Stormblades... still not complaining.
(edit: apparently mini-feats are not a Cygnar thing. The only UA with a mini-feat are the Precursors)
Another strike against Cygnar, and more proof that Precursors are the only good thing to come from them.
Really, I just like feats. Minifeats basically double the enjoyment of the game for me.
The Errant solo is in the NQ that came out back in March.
SPD 6, STR 6, MAT 8, RAT 7, 12/16, CMD 9. AD, Commander, Fearless, Pathfinder
Assault Charge, Call to Sacrifice [Errants], Hunter, Leadership [Errants] - Models in CMD gain Hunter.
Same weapons as Errants.
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And everybody who isn't Carnarvon or Plutonium should be working on their lists.
Warjacks: all normal ones
Units: Choir, Exemplar Cinerators, Flameguard Cleansers
Solos: Hierophant, Reclaimers, Wracks, Vassal solos
Tier 1: only above
: Wracks at 20 paces. can deploy wracks 20" instead of 16
Tier 2: 2+ Cleansers
: Cleansers gain Advance deploy
Tier 3: 3+ Units
: You get 3 free wracks that ignore FA
Tier 4: 2+ Heavy Jacks
: +2 speed on first turn for jacks
No Bastions, no Errants and meh tier bonuses.
Currently painting: Slowly [flickr]
Wracks are great with Reznik, +4" is pretty good. I've never needed more than 3 wracks, though.
2x Min Choir, max Cinerators(with AD!), 1 set of Wracks. That's not bad at all. Take a Guardian so you arc spells with all that extra focus. +2spd means that Crusaders run 12", Reckoners 14". More than enough room for 3 jacks, Cleansers, and Vassals.
Do you need lists submitted? Or are we waiting for sign-ups to be complete?
The tournament will start precisely whenever I feel like it, but that requires I have the lists.
Good point. My lists are in! Fuck yeah Legion of Everblight.
It'd be interesting though to see what actually happens. I suppose it can go either way. I prefer PP's method of fluff over GW's. GW was too generic.. it was here's the good guys, here's the bad guys, everything stays the same. Even with their campaigns nothing really changed. Archaon dies.. that's about it. I like how PP has plots and then subplots - for instance.. Goreshade saying screw you to Cryx to temporarily further his own little war. I mean the whole nobody dies when casters come to blows thing is kinda silly but I see why they have to do that game-wise. We can't have all of the heroes dying off, can we?
As for Cygnar.. I doubt they have anything to worry about from Skorne. They have to collect up and restore what Vinter pretty much ruined. Why? Still a mystery to me. Although PP did a great job leaving it open ended... Vinter could probably return with a new race/faction - who knows.
Technically, Deneghra and the Harbinger have both also died in the fluff (possibly twice for Harby!), but were brought back to life through evil necromancy and/or divine intervention. I would love to see eBaldur be a Wold, that would be pretty neat. It would have to look quite a bit different from the current Wolds, though, so there's no confusion about what is what. Very cool.
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That was actually what I thought when I put Meta down after reading. Would be awesome. But then MacBane (McBain?) by virtue of his Schwarzeneggerishness would have to put them all down. Mwhaha
And true.. those 2 girls did die.. guess I forgot since they were resurrected/divinely saved.
If anyone's got any questions, I can look it up quick.
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Any chance you could share the general guidelines for ToM's tier list? I'm going to be running ToM at the Nightfall finale tomorrow, and I wanted to see if it was worth changing my list to meet the tier.
Spoiler'd plot synopsis once you finish reading?
Also, about the Mage Hunter ua. Played a tier list against three units of them - each with a UA. Horrible. I saw someone say that their phantom seeker still needs line of sight through models and clouds - is this true? I hope to all the gods so!
Basically the only thing they don't ignore is Stealth.
Eh, it looks too... civilized for me.
Currently painting: Slowly [flickr]
Do Cinerators have reach? Has Avatar changed from his pdf card? Are there any Flameguard solos? Did Cinerators get a UA, or otherwise change from their pdf card?
Danke.
No, and no because they might be awesome then. Errants got the badass UA.
Currently painting: Slowly [flickr]
ToM: Sands of Fate.
Warjacks:
Non-Character warjacks, Avatar.
Units:
Exemplar Errants, Holy Zealots, Idrian Skirmishers
Solos:
Exemplar Errant Seneshals, Reclaimers, Vassals of Menoth, Idrian solos
T1: Only models above.
Benefit: Zealots get AD
T2: Two or more Exemplar Errant units.
Benefit: You get +1 on your starting roll for the game.
T3: Two Idrian Skirmisher units
Benefit: Skirmisher units are -1 points.
T4: Army includes a Avatar of Menoth.
Benefit: Models/units in the army gain Incorporeal during your first turn of the game.
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What I meant to say was: Did Cleansers get a UA/change from PDF?
Cinerators with reach would have been usable. As in, I still probably wouldn't have taken them. With any luck, they'll get a solo/ua that gives them pathfinder when charging/increased flame burst radius.
Also: ToM's list is pretty damned expensive. 31pts with min units and no zealots/UAs. It's nice to see Idrians getting attention.
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I mean, correcting someone when they are wrong is one thing.. But being a complete and total jackass to someone just because they didn't know tiers needed to stack (which is sorta obvious but still..) is really uncalled for.
Damn. People are such shit heads.
Found your problem.