The Next Terrorist Target: The House Of Mouse?

Owenashi

Probably not new, but it was weird enough that I had to bring it up.

http://www.newsarama.com/film/090822-MickeyFatwa.html

Newsarama wrote:

In a story that’s so weird his has to be considered true, a leading Saudi Arabian cleric has declared Mickey Mouse to be an “agent of Satan.” As such, he has put a fatwa, or death sentence , on the Mouse’s head.

This is not the first time the Mouse has come into conflict with the Muslim world. A few years back, the Palestinian political group Hamas used an almost exact duplicate of the Mickey, named Farfour, as a sort of host of its own TV show. From this pulpit it used to preach death and destruction to its audience, young Palestinian children.

In 2007, the character was also “murdered” on air. A co-host of the show declared Farfour was killed by an actor posing as an Israeli official trying to buy Farfour's land. At one point, the mouse called the Israeli a "terrorist."

"Farfour was martyred while defending his land," said Sara, a teen co-star. He was killed "by the killers of children," she added.

Slagmire

The defense grid necessary to protect the House of Mouse must be designed and built by experts in the field. Therefore, I propose:

Spoiler:

be tasked for the job.

Air

i saw an ad on tv today (on the multicultural channel) thats like some random aussie guy went to live with a certain controversial high ranking islamic imam guy

this guy is apparently one of the highest ranking muslim clerics in australia and hes been in the news a bunch of times for shit like blaming victims of rape for not being at home wearing their hijab, instead of walking around the street in normal clothes like exposed meat
and calling women tools of the devil and publicly praising jihadists and stuff
i think maybe they tried to deport him at one point but im not sure

and then this ad comes on tv that starts off with this aussie guy going 'hi im nick and i got a special talent where i can count the number of letters in words really quick. muslim -thats 6 letters. thats about all i know about that religion'
and then they mentioned that he lived with the cleric for 6 weeks i think and i thought it was a bad joke with the same awful writing until it showed them hanging out together
hmm

Clint Eastwood

more reasons to be glad i wasn't born in Palestine

trentsteel

You know how there was that beheading on a bus bound to winnipeg up here?

People were making jokes about not traveling on buses after that. I reminded them it's pretty much the only time it's ever happened so actually having something like that happen again would be pretty damn slim, like being struck by lightening since there's not really any history of violence on greyhound buses.

Then, a week later some shit happens, and just now there was yet ANOTHER STABBING on yet ANOTHER greyhound bus to winnipeg.

What the fuck

CrossBuster

Coming soon: a lawsuit against Mickey Mouse for "defamation of religion"

arod_77

Its a strange debate-whether religion does more harm than good.

I don't know.


Christianity sucks, Islam sucks even more. Buddhism is pretty cool I guess. The end.

Mysst

trentsteel wrote: »

You know how there was that beheading on a bus bound to winnipeg up here?

People were making jokes about not traveling on buses after that. I reminded them it's pretty much the only time it's ever happened so actually having something like that happen again would be pretty damn slim, like being struck by lightening since there's not really any history of violence on greyhound buses.

Then, a week later some shit happens, and just now there was yet ANOTHER STABBING on yet ANOTHER greyhound bus to winnipeg.

What the fuck

I rode a bus once, and I kinda felt like stabbing a dude about halfway through.

Weaver

They're just mad because all of our buildings aren't made of sand.

Air

arod_77 wrote: »

Its a strange debate-whether religion does more harm than good.

I don't know.


Christianity sucks, Islam sucks even more. Buddhism is pretty cool I guess. The end.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igIBSeaJ9YI

Auntie Shibby

You know whats creepy, seeing a bus drive by with only one passenger. Some dude sitting in the back with a hoodie and sunglasses.

arod_77

Yes but the Dalai Llama does not issue edicts that affect the course of my country's social conservatism hardon


Give me a break I am anti-religion and trying not to look like a total tool.

They all blow pretty bad.

ChicoBlue

That guy has a horrible voice.

Centipede Damascus

arod_77 wrote: »

Its a strange debate-whether religion does more harm than good.

I don't know.


Christianity sucks, Islam sucks even more. Buddhism is pretty cool I guess. The end.

way to be ignorant, dude

Wren

people aren't taking us seriously enough

lets declare fatwa on mickey mouse!

Weaver

the only answer to holy war is to counter with secular war

Clint Eastwood

Jihadists for Jesus

I really hope that URL isn't taken

Weaver

We should really just sick the latter-day saints people on islam two birds one stone

Air

funny show though
have a look at more on youtube

oh shit this one seems a bit more relevant last one guys

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4RyzFjQbHE

arod_77

Ignorant of what exactly? What am I missing? There are good religious people and sound religious thinkers. Overall I have found in my search for faith that in order to be a reasonable religious thinker you have to discard or ignore much of what you would read in your chosen book of faith.

People claim that the fundamentalists are the issue--but really aren't they just doing it right?

Meissnerd

I think the argument is more over what the fundamentals are

The_Scarab

arod_77 wrote: »

Ignorant of what exactly? What am I missing? There are good religious people and sound religious thinkers. Overall I have found in my search for faith that in order to be a reasonable religious thinker you have to discard or ignore much of what you would read in your chosen book of faith.

People claim that the fundamentalists are the issue--but really aren't they just doing it right?

You're painting an entire religion with the brush of a very small minority of fundamentalists.

I know plenty is Islamic people who are no different from you or me. Heck, they wear suits to work and can throw down in Mario Kart like nobodies business.

Islam isn't this wacky thing out in the desert somewhere.

Clint Eastwood

Well as far as Christianity goes, the fundie retards are basically drawing all their hate from the Old Testament, and conveniently ignore the fact that Jesus comes off as a bit of a liberal hippie in the New Testament.

The Old Testament is lame as shit.

Pony

Meissnerd wrote: »

I think the argument is more over what the fundamentals are

ka-ding

i'm a pretty religious dude

but my religion also doesn't call upon me to be a fuckle to people

so there you go

Weaver

hey Pony's back

The_Scarab

Cloudman wrote: »

Well as far as Christianity goes, the fundie retards are basically drawing all their hate from the Old Testament, and conveniently ignore the fact that Jesus comes off as a bit of a liberal hippie in the New Testament.

The Old Testament is lame as shit.

Nah people in the old testament got shit done.

dont let my people go free? oh well im going to cover your lands with death, suffering and plagues of ever increasing inventiveness.

did jesus ever do that? fuck no he was all 'love thy neighbour'. what a homo.

arod_77

From the seminarians I have talked to in my limited study focused on Catholic and Protestant faiths there is a "trans-literal" perspective that many are taught to embrace--at least when preaching. In Catholic and Episcopal traditions I was always taught about the symbolic nature of Genesis which I very much appreciate.

The issue is that the Religious right is dominated by politically active evangelical fronts and baptist fundamentalist groups which do believe in literal interpretation and I don't know if you read the OT but that shit is hardcore

The problem is that most people in the US may not be fundamentalists--but most do believe in a "God".

A pseudo legitimacy is seized upon from there and then all of the sudden we are a "Christian Nation" with a bent towards radical Christian ideology knownst or unbeknownst to the citizens. The argument over Gay Marriage is just the beginning of what the Falwell types have in store.

I expect that Islam would be much the same except that Middle Eastern society mostly forgoes any pretense of secularism.

edit- To follow up on Scarabs point Islam is very much indeed a global religion (the fastest growing in the US in fact) I just percieve that the issue of Islamic Fundamentalism in the Middle East is particularly pressing right now.

Weaver

Guys I was shown in a vision from the Lord God Allah that I am the living reincarnation of the Prophet Muhammed and uhhhh I just want to go on the record that all that stuff I said my first time around, yeah I was tripping balls pretty hard on hashish and honey wine. My bad.

Meissnerd

It's a lot like political ideas, really

You have people taking worth from an idea in an extreme way, or a moderate way, or whatever in between

If you asked a christian what they thought was the most important message from the bible you'd get answers like

god hates gay people

we should treat everyone well

helping the poor is paramount

all other religions are false

the argument shouldn't be about whether the bible is legitimate or not; the ideas are the same no matter how they're worded

The_Scarab

arod_77 wrote: »

From the seminarians I have talked to in my limited study focused on Catholic and Protestant faiths there is a "trans-literal" perspective that many are taught to embrace--at least when preaching. In Catholic and Episcopal traditions I was always taught about the symbolic nature of Genesis which I very much appreciate.

The issue is that the Religious right is dominated by politically active evangelical fronts and baptist fundamentalist groups which do believe in literal interpretation and I don't know if you read the OT but that shit is hardcore

The problem is that most people in the US may not be fundamentalists--but most do believe in a "God".

A pseudo legitimacy is seized upon from there and then all of the sudden we are a "Christian Nation" with a bent towards radical Christian ideology knownst or unbeknownst to the citizens. The argument over Gay Marriage is just the beginning of what the Falwell types have in store.

I expect that Islam would be much the same except that Middle Eastern society mostly forgoes any pretense of secularism.

edit- To follow up on Scarabs point Islam is very much indeed a global religion (the fastest growing in the US in fact) I just percieve that the issue of Islamic Fundamentalism in the Middle East is particularly pressing right now.

There are fundamentalists in every religion. There is no need to single out islam.

Religion is just a catalyst for crazy people to have legitimacy. Be it christian, islam or any other faith.

Weaver

excuse me going back in time to kill Martin Luther

Meissnerd

Weaver wrote: »

excuse me going back in time to kill Martin Luther

don't even think about it

he will nail you 99 times with his cock

arod_77

Christianity is adapted globally and politically to the modern world like it or not, and the seat of Islam is a dishtowel in a dirty sink. That is public perception.

The public perceives all those Islam types are in about 5 countries next to each other to the east of Israel.

Islamic fundamentalism is more dangerous to Islam than anything else-- it may be a world religion nearly on par with Christianity--but it is a world religion with a shitload of negative press and a bad pr department.

Evander

The problem isn't religion. The problem is that certain religions villify the act of questioning authority.

Pony

not a lot of people killing people in the name of buddhism, is why buddhism generally gets such a good rap

people see it as all mellow and shit, what's the most violent thing most people know buddhists as doing? monks who light themselves on fire, i guess.

i mean buddhists have killed people in the name of religion. mostly other buddhists though, in sectarian violence in southeast asia n shit

so generally it gets seen as pretty okay

hinduism usually is okay with most people but then you say the words "caste system" and uh

Meissnerd

Evander wrote: »

The problem isn't religion. The problem is that certain religions villify the act of questioning authority.

Or the wrong authority!

Like that in bit in Jesus Camp where the kids pray for cardboard cut out George Bush.

sarukun

Owenashi wrote: »

Probably not new, but it was weird enough that I had to bring it up.

http://www.newsarama.com/film/090822-MickeyFatwa.html

Newsarama wrote:

In a story that’s so weird his has to be considered true, a leading Saudi Arabian cleric has declared Mickey Mouse to be an “agent of Satan.” As such, he has put a fatwa, or death sentence , on the Mouse’s head.

This is not the first time the Mouse has come into conflict with the Muslim world. A few years back, the Palestinian political group Hamas used an almost exact duplicate of the Mickey, named Farfour, as a sort of host of its own TV show. From this pulpit it used to preach death and destruction to its audience, young Palestinian children.

In 2007, the character was also “murdered” on air. A co-host of the show declared Farfour was killed by an actor posing as an Israeli official trying to buy Farfour's land. At one point, the mouse called the Israeli a "terrorist."

"Farfour was martyred while defending his land," said Sara, a teen co-star. He was killed "by the killers of children," she added.

Jesus Christ on a bacon flavored dog biscuit.

GRMike

Air wrote: »

funny show though
have a look at more on youtube

oh shit this one seems a bit more relevant last one guys

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4RyzFjQbHE

That man's voice. I could listen to him talk about anything.

Meissnerd

Pony is Buddhism all about attaining Nirvana

how are you supposed to do it

arod_77

Christianity is very contradictory on the idea of questioning faith if you stick to the scripture. Jesus' example in his trial of the desert shows he is human and that he is not immune to conflict of faith--same with Gethsemane.

"Crisis of faith" is really entirely different than asking hard questions about legitimacy--but often the two are conflated for political reasons.

On the other hand asking actual "questions" about whether or not a religious ideal or dictate was valid is often very difficult and was seen by my pastors as tempting the devil or such nonsense.

Bigtimes

Weaver wrote: »

hey Pony's back

Hey Weaver's back.