PRICE FOR THE COINS, SHIPPED :
NWTM has negotiated the following total flat price/shipping rates:
$10 per coin for USA, $15 for Canada. (You Canadians are used to that kind of baloney, right?)
As in, you pay $10 or $15 depending on your location, and a coin will show up at your door.
I have yet to hear how long it should take for those of you in places like Maine or Nova Scotia to receive your coins after being shipped. I have asked, though.
Edit:
Whoever wants to buy coins for the rest of the PA crew are certainly welcome to do so.
Awesome, awesome, awesome. Thank you papaprinny for doing this, and I'm looking forward to the coins - once we are able to place orders, at least. Speaking of, is it still going to be via the ChipIn link provided earlier, or has that changed? Apologies if I missed it along the way.
I'd be down to buy one or two to the rest of the PA staff as well, but how would we get them to everyone? Just give Mike & Jerry all of them and ask them to distribute them out to the rest of the gang? And who will be the one to give the coins to 'em?
So if i buy 2 coins i have to pay $20 for shipping?
Sorry but WTF!
NO. $20 gets you two coins shipped. As in, you pay a total of $20, and two coins will arrive at your door. If you live in the US.
And yes, the payment method is still the ChipIn. But nothing is final yet. Please wait until I give the go-ahead and the full details.
Edit: I would suggest attempting to give the coins to someone in the PA crew whom you know will be at a certain location at a certain time. I would suggest giving them to Mike and Jerry at one of the Q&As or the Make a Strip panel with instructions to provide the coins to certain members of PA. Odds are that some of the folks will be there during the panel, namely Kiko.
Please note that I have already volunteered to provide Robert Khoo a coin.
So if i buy 2 coins i have to pay $20 for shipping?
Sorry but WTF!
NO. $20 gets you two coins shipped. As in, you pay a total of $20, and two coins will arrive at your door. If you live in the US.
And yes, the payment method is still the ChipIn. But nothing is final yet. Please wait until I give the go-ahead and the full details.
Edit: I would suggest attempting to give the coins to someone in the PA crew whom you know will be at a certain location at a certain time. I would suggest giving them to Mike and Jerry at one of the Q&As or the Make a Strip panel with instructions to provide the coins to certain members of PA. Odds are that some of the folks will be there during the panel, namely Kiko.
Please note that I have already volunteered to provide Robert Khoo a coin.
Ok thats much better, You should make this clear in the post because i know me and about 4-5 others read it as $8 a coin and the shipping is another $10 on top of that.
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So if i buy 2 coins i have to pay $20 for shipping?
Sorry but WTF!
NO. $20 gets you two coins shipped. As in, you pay a total of $20, and two coins will arrive at your door. If you live in the US.
And yes, the payment method is still the ChipIn. But nothing is final yet. Please wait until I give the go-ahead and the full details.
Edit: I would suggest attempting to give the coins to someone in the PA crew whom you know will be at a certain location at a certain time. I would suggest giving them to Mike and Jerry at one of the Q&As or the Make a Strip panel with instructions to provide the coins to certain members of PA. Odds are that some of the folks will be there during the panel, namely Kiko.
Please note that I have already volunteered to provide Robert Khoo a coin.
Ok thats much better, You should make this clear in the post because i know me and about 4-5 others read it as $8 a coin and the shipping is another $10 on top of that.
PRICE FOR THE COINS, SHIPPED :
NWTM has negotiated the following total flat price/shipping rates:
$10 per coin for USA, $15 for Canada. (You Canadians are used to that kind of baloney, right?)
As in, you pay $10 or $15 depending on your location, and a coin will show up at your door.
Seems pretty clear to me.
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Woot, awesome! Okay, I know that I'm buying one for myself and Zero... I'm still trying to figure out whether my wife wants one, maybe I'll get her one anyways even though she said she didn't care at first.
OK, so if we have folks who want to contribute to the PA crew coins we should probably get a list together. I would be cool with talking with Robert to find out how best to get them to the folks, I like the idea of giving them to Jerry and Mike during the Q&A, but if the others won't be at the show in one given place that creates a problem.
Maybe even ask to just have a few mailed direct and we'll make a nice presentation at the show for the others :P
Just to put in another note - I've already volunteered to buy coins for Mike and Jerry. I'll send the cash as soon as Papaprinny gives the OK.
Nice work papaprinny!
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It would be an honor and a privilege to buy and present one of these to the great Wil Wheaton. If no one who's been more involved in this wants to claim that right, I'd love to do so.
It would be an honor and a privilege to buy and present one of these to the great Wil Wheaton. If no one who's been more involved in this wants to claim that right, I'd love to do so.
Sorry, I claimed this a couple or so pages back. It's more money out of my pocket, but I am interested to see what his reaction will be to the design.
It would be an honor and a privilege to buy and present one of these to the great Wil Wheaton. If no one who's been more involved in this wants to claim that right, I'd love to do so.
Sorry, I claimed this a couple or so pages back. It's more money out of my pocket, but I am interested to see what his reaction will be to the design.
I recalled Wil, Jerry, Mike, and Robert were all covered. Should we include new office resident Scott Kurtz and/or Kris Straub?
Whomever you wish to. I do not intend to organize such a donation as I can not guarantee that enough people will step forward in this forum to cover all the familiar names at PA. If someone would like to step forward to do this, I can email Robert and ask him how many people in the office would be receptive to some gifts from the PAX community.
If you could go ahead and ask him for me please do, I will see what I and others can come up with and try to work something out. If he is receptive we can trade emails at that point, no need to keep you in the middle and clog up your already busy schedule.
And yes, the payment method is still the ChipIn. But nothing is final yet. Please wait until I give the go-ahead and the full details.
. . .
EDIT:
Those who have contributed to the ChipIn so far did so before we were solid on a price. For all of you who have donated to the ChipIn, please go back and review how much you put in and how much more you will need to put in in order to get the number of coins you wanted. But don't add anything more yet. It is always possible that this may not go through, in which case it would be more work for me to go back and refund all the donations we receive from now up until the moment of disappointment. If it does go through, however, please be ready to put in whatever else you want to in order to get the number of coins you want. Please also remember that you MUST email me at papaprinnyA@Tgmail.com with your Paypal ID, the amount you put in, your name, your shipping address, and what you would like. If you do not provide instructions beyond your name, address, and your Paypal ID, I will ship as many coins to you as your ChipIn amount will cover. Any funds left over will be resolved at a later time (likely after PAX, when my primary concern won't be keeping up with orders).
Remember: You are responsible for providing me with enough details to get your order shipped to you. Failure to provide extensive documentation of the above things will result in a shipping delay, and insofar as that goes, I can not be held responsible if you fail to provide enough information. If I see that you have not provided enough info, I will do my best with the time available to me to resolve the issue of lack of information.
Eep - I'm going away for over a week and may not have access to the internet - which means cutting it extremely close. Any chance I can pay early, or do you think orders will still be open by the 20th?
The short version: WE ARE MAKING CHALLENGE COINS FOR PAX PRIME 2010. ORDERS FOR COINS ARE NOW BEING TAKEN.
The long version:
Northwest Territorial Mint has taken payment for the die. The die will now be cast. This means orders for coins may now be placed.
The design for the obverse and reverse sides of the coin:
WHAT'S ALL THIS THEN?
We, the PAX community, have designed a challenge coin for PAX Prime. It is a product of the community, and is not an official Penny Arcade product. We endeavored to create a high-quality design, and that's what we got.
HOW WILL THE COIN LOOK?
The coin will have an antique finish. This will allow the 3D properties of the coin to stand out. To keep individual coin costs down, there will be no enameling or plating applied.
Here is an example of an antique finish produced by NWTM. Notice the contrast it produces with the coin background and the 3D elements:
DOES THE COIN COME IN A PROTECTIVE CASE?
Darrell says that yes, it does. You should always keep yours in the case to protect the finish.
WHAT ARE THE SHIPPING TRANSIT DURATION ESTIMATES?
NWTM estimates that west coasters would receive their coins in about two days from time of shipping. East coasters should receive their coins in about four to five days from time of shipping. These numbers should be roughly the same for Canadian orders. All shipping durations will vary depending on the competency and ability of the Fedex carriers that deliver your packages. It is up to the person who places the order to determine whether the order they place will arrive to them in time for PAX.
WHAT IS THE CUTOFF DATE FOR ORDERING COINS?
There isn't one. If you want, you may order a coin even after PAX Prime has completed so you may have yourself a memento after the fact. However, as orders slow down, orders will eventually no longer be placed daily, but weekly. If you want your coin before Prime though, it is up to you to determine your own cutoff date depending on your geographic relation to the west coast. See above paragraph.
WHEN WILL COINS BEGIN SHIPPING?
Soon after the mint is finished, which, according to Northwest Territorial Mint, should be some time next week (the third calendar week of August).
HOW DO I PAY FOR THIS/WHERE DOES MY MONEY GO?
As suggested by a forum member in this thread, we are using the ChipIn service to take orders. The ChipIn service uses Paypal. Money placed in the ChipIn service therefore goes into my (papaprinny's) Paypal account. Each day I will withdraw all funds deposited into the ChipIn into a dedicated bank account that I have established for this endeavor, match those ChipIn amounts to a message you send to my Gmail address telling me your name, address, your Paypal ID, and how you want your money to be spent (some people like to donate their money to others!). I will forward this information daily to NWTM in an email and place orders using the funds in my dedicated challenge coin bank account.
As we are planning to make more challenge coins in the future for subsequent PAX events, if you have a suggestion for a better way to handle such orders, please post in this thread. ChipIn is a nice service, but as you can see, it has its limitations.
HOW WILL THE ORDERING PROCESS WORK?
Northwest Territorial Mint is not set up to take orders from several people for a single minting. Therefore a single person or entity must broker the transactions. I will do this using a ChipIn account that I have set up specifically for this endeavor. To place an order: Deposit money into the ChipIn account using Paypal, as ChipIn uses Paypal. Be sure to take into consideration Paypal fees, as outlined in the following link: https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/websc...y-fees-outside
EDIT:
Normally, money transfers are free with Paypal, however, because this is ChipIn, they consider it to be payment for serviceable goods. I called them and asked them to stop. They won't.
SO BECAUSE PAYPAL SUCKS THE ROOT, THEY ARE ASSESSING 2.9% + $0.30 FEES ON EVERY ORDER ANYWAY.
SO PLEASE ADD 2.9% OF THE ORDER + $0.30 TO THE TOTAL OF YOUR ORDER, OTHERWISE I WILL BE SHOULDERING THE FEES.
Because these fees are being assessed to me, with the current total of $753.68, I am now out a few bucks. Please, PLEASE add the fees to your order when placing your order! The calculation for the amount you should pay is as such:
(Your order total x 1.029) + .30 = your total payment EDIT 2: ADD A FEW CENTS OF EXTRA SALT ON THIS.
Why? Because, surprise surprise, Paypal are run by a bunch of crooks. For instance, orders of $20 should require $20.88, which is equivalent to 20 x 1.029 + .30. After Paypal is done with it though, the remaining total is $19.97. Either they are not fully disclosing their fees, or they are thieves. Either way, Paypal still sucks, and I hate them dearly.
I guess that's what we get for swimming with sharks, eh?
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After you place money in the ChipIn, IMMEDIATELY send me an email at papaprinnyA@Tgmail.com (leave out the A and the T) with the following:
1.) Your Paypal ID/email that you used to put money into the ChipIn
2.) Your name
3.) The name of the PayPal account holder
Edit: I would prefer that you simply include recipient name/shipping address with your Paypal payment from this point forward. This will eliminate the possibility of my mistaking where to have the coin sent.
4.) The amount of money you put into the ChipIn
5.) What you would like me to do with your money. (Yes, this has to be asked: Some people are willing to simply donate money so that others of lesser means may have a coin too.) If you wish to purchase a coin for someone else in the forum here, you will need to provide me that person's name and shipping information. I will not figure this out for you.
If item 5 is omitted, I will assume the order is for you and will use the entirety of the funds submitted to order coins for you.
If you wish to simply donate your money to the "Challenge Coins for the Nerdy and Underprivileged" Fund (see below), that money will be used to order single coins for individuals of stated financial need. This fund will be first-come, first serve. If long after PAX Prime this fund still has money in it, the balance will carry over into our next Challenge Coin event.
After all the above is received, payment and your information will be forwarded to Northwest Territorial Mint on at least a daily basis.
FAILURE TO PROVIDE SUFFICIENT INFORMATION AS OUTLINED ABOVE WILL RESULT IN A SHIPPING DELAY.
The "Challenge Coins for the Nerdy and Underprivileged" Fund
As mentioned above, if anyone wishes to simply donate money so that those of stated financial need may have a challenge coin when they would otherwise be unable to order one for themselves, you may do so. This money will be earmarked for the "Challenge Coins for the Nerdy and Underprivileged" Fund, whose total will be updated daily.
Conditions for application for a free challenge coin using the aforementioned fund: PLEASE NOTE: The conditions have changed, and are somewhat more lenient now.
You no longer must be unable to pay for your own coin.
You may request a free coin if you are very tight on money and thus can not justify the cost of purchasing a coin. (ie, poor, not dirt poor)
You MUST post in this thread asking for a free coin. This is done so that the more dishonest among us who are fully able to afford a coin will be discouraged from essentially stealing from the fund, as they would be forced to lie publicly.
Will this take some humility? Yes. Does the PAX community understand? Yes. Yes we do. We look out for our brothers and sisters, and we want you to have a coin if you can't afford one, so long as the funds are available.
If it is discovered that someone who asks for a free challenge coin has lied about their stated financial need, that person will likely be publicly humiliated by members of this forum, and will also likely be subject to moderator and administrator reprisals.
WHO IS PROFITING FROM THIS?
Northwest Territorial Mint is the only entity in all of this who will make any profit. Though I, papaprinny, have put a lot of time and effort into helping this forum produce a design for a coin and subsequently broker all transactions that have happened thus far, I receive not one cent of profit from this endeavor. I do not profit from this because I feel it would be dishonest to do so, and because I do not want my motives for doing all this to be called into question. Since I was a large contributor to the design of the coin, I am happy enough knowing that people like the design and would want to have their own copy of one.
JUST TO CLARIFY: WHO WILL BE BROKERING THESE TRANSACTIONS?
I, papaprinny, am performing all brokering services. I would have you deal with Northwest Territorial Mint directly, but as mentioned, they do not take orders from multiple individuals for single mintings. Thus someone had to step up and do it. It just happened to be me.
JUST TO CLARIFY: HOW OFTEN WILL PAPAPRINNY FORWARD ORDERS TO NWTM?
At least once a day through and beyond the event dates. Each order will require both an email sent to Darrell at NWTM with shipping instructions, as well as a debit card order from me. As orders slow down to a trickle after Prime, orders will be placed weekly.
WHAT IS PAPAPRINNY'S REPUTATION?
I have been a member of the PAX community since its inception. I have attended every PAX event, and my passion for the culture and brotherhood it creates still burns. I have additionally been with the PAX forums for a number of months now, and for a while now I have been doing my best to cultivate a positive reputation among the PAX community with the Unofficial PAX Community DVD, an endeavor which I deeply care about, and put much of my time into. If my reputation is compromised, the Community DVD is compromised, thus I do my absolute best to be an upstanding- and outstanding- participant in the PAX community.
WHAT IS PAPAPRINNY'S REAL NAME?
Daniel Borders.
Pleased to meet you.
WHAT DO I DO IF I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH MY ORDER?
First let me tell you what you should NOT do: Do NOT go to Paypal first!
Here's why:
Paypal handles disputes in the following manner: They immediately freeze the account of a Paypal account holder, and keep the account frozen until whatever disputes that are brought up have been resolved. This could take weeks, possibly longer. In the mean time, the account is useless. Additionally, because Paypal has a history of employing thieves and gangsters, it is not all that uncommon for Paypal employees to make withdrawals from frozen accounts until the account is empty.
While all of this is happening, EVERYONE'S day gets ruined: Mine, everyone who has placed an order, and Northwest Territorial Mint. After the dispute is raised, everyone who wants to place an order will be unable to. Those who have placed an order will receive their coins long after Prime if their funds are not stolen by Paypal employees. If these funds are stolen, many may never get their money back if their funds are in the account at the time of the account being frozen.
So if you have any problems, EMAIL me (papaprinnyA@Tgmail.com (without the A and T)), for the sake of everyone who places an order. I will do my darnedest to help you straighten out whatever difficulties you feel you are experiencing.
THE PREVIOUS CHIPIN PAGE IS NO LONGER ACTIVE. WHAT'S UP THERE?
The original ChipIn was meant to collect funds for the die. I only had it active until July 23, which was the cutoff date for gathering of die funds. I am unable to reactivate it. Had I had more time to think this through, I would have allowed the ChipIn to run for a year, the maximum duration of a ChipIn event. In my haste to get this whole thing off the ground, I did not do this. I will be in contact with everyone who contributed to that ChipIn past the $300 point with details about ordering coins.
OKAY, DOWN TO BUSINESS. ORDER HERE:
PRICES ARE AS FOLLOWS:
$10 FLAT FEE FOR EACH COIN ON ORDERS SHIPPED WITHIN THE UNITED STATES.
$15 USD FLAT FEE FOR EACH COIN ON ORDERS SHIPPED TO CANADA.
TO CLARIFY:
$10 WILL GET YOU ONE COIN SHIPPED TO YOUR DOOR IN THE CONTINENTAL U.S. $20 WILL GET YOU TWO COINS SHIPPED TO YOUR DOOR IN THE CONTINENTAL U.S. $30 WILL GET YOU 3, $40 WILL GET YOU 4, ETC.
$15 WILL GET YOU ONE COIN SHIPPED TO YOUR DOOR IN HAWAII. $30 WILL GET YOU TWO COINS SHIPPED TO YOUR DOOR IN HAWAII. $45 WILL GET YOU 3, $60 WILL GET YOU 4, ETC.
$15 WILL GET YOU ONE COIN SHIPPED TO YOUR DOOR IN CANADA. $30 WILL GET YOU TWO COINS SHIPPED TO YOUR DOOR IN CANADA. $45 WILL GET YOU 3, $60 WILL GET YOU 4, ETC.
PLEASE REVIEW THE "HOW WILL THE ORDERING PROCESS WORK?" SECTION ABOVE BEFORE PLACING YOUR ORDER.
You literally posted that FAQ 30 seconds after I sent payment directly to your GMail. Whoops.
Did you receive it or should I send it somewhere else?
Edit: Can we also get a running total of the number of challenge coins bought each day? That would be a great thing for those of us who love numbers, even if it is fully anonymous.
If you have to pay for a single drink PAX weekend, we have failed you.
Also, should we use a certain subject so you can filter things better?
Also, put my order in for 1 coin and fundage for others who need it.
Also, Oslo is a place.
Also, I'm done.
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Essentially, if you transfer funds from your bank account or the funds in your paypal account, Paypal won't skim anything off the top. If you pay by debit or credit card or paypal credit, the fee will be 2.9% of the amount sent plus $0.30 USD.
Since paypal skims off the top for this fee, does that mean that each coin is $10.59 if we use a credit card? If the maths are correct.
Essentially, if you transfer funds from your bank account or the funds in your paypal account, Paypal won't skim anything off the top. If you pay by debit or credit card or paypal credit, the fee will be 2.9% of the amount sent plus $0.30 USD.
Since paypal skims off the top, does that mean that each coin is $10.59 if we use a credit card? If the maths are correct.
($10 * 1.029) + $0.30 = $10.59
I would suggest adding a couple cents' worth of salt on top of that, as Paypal is sneaky and bastardly. Anything left over will go to the Challenge Coins for the Nerdy and Underprivileged Fund.
I would suggest adding a couple cents' worth of salt on top of that, as Paypal is sneaky and bastardly. Anything left over will go to the Challenge Coins for the Nerdy and Underprivileged Fund.
That's exactly what I just did & e-mailed to you. Thanks for putting this all together!
If you have to pay for a single drink PAX weekend, we have failed you.
Be forewarned: I will fail you under the table with that offer.
....
if you have to pay for your *FIRST* drink at all PAX weekend, we have failed you.
-shifty eye-
Seriously though, it sounds like it was a lot, and will be, a bunch of work, thanks for everything.
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UPDATE:
In order to deal with initial orders, I was depending on my Paypal debit card, which gets around the problem of fund availability 3 to 4 days after a bank transfer to my dedicated challenge coin bank account. However, as fate would have it, my Paypal debit card appears to no longer be active.
This affects you in the following way:
Demand for challenge coins have far exceeded my wildest dreams. I am unable to access the funds immediately. Due to the amazing demand, I can not begin to cover the orders until funds are available. Therefore I must transfer the balance at the end of each day to my challenge coin bank account and wait for those funds to become available. This transaction takes 3 to 4 business days to complete. I was hoping to deal with this in the mean time by using a Paypal debit card, but the card is now no longer a factor. So the bottom line is this:
Order now and you won't be affected.
By the time the die is cast, orders placed today, tomorrow, Saturday and Sunday should be ready to be placed. If you wait to place your order, your order will be placed after the die is cast, when I have access to the funds.
Does this push up the deadline for ordering coins and receiving them before PAX? YES.
Does Northwest Territorial Mint take Paypal orders? NO.
Does papaprinny feel bad about this development? I FEEL AWFUL.
It was my intention to do everything in my power to make this work as perfectly as possible in what very little time we had to organize this. However, it seems the world had other plans.
The takeaway here is that there is now a 3-4 business day wait for me to have access to funds. Due to the amazing demand, I can not immediately cover these with my personal finances, though I would if I could.
What should I do to avoid this being a problem for me? Order right now. Tell all your friends to order right now.
What can I do to best help papaprinny feel better?
Offer the following: Your sympathy, your understanding, your patience, and your immediate order placement if you want a coin so that I may accommodate you in a timely fashion.
That's all for now. If you'll excuse me, I need to go fill this pit in my stomach.
Yay PayPal for letting you put things on credit cards Money deposited, E-Mail sent your way! Well done, you rock!
Also, don't let the PayPal situation get you down/anxious: PayPal is a butt like that. But I do appreciate that they let you use credit... I'm in the process of almost finding a job after some drama, but at the moment I'm not sure when the offer is going to come down (or if it will, though it feels good), so cash is strapped until I'm sure of new income. =(
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Darrell says the die will be complete next week.
PRICE FOR THE COINS, SHIPPED :
NWTM has negotiated the following total flat price/shipping rates:
$10 per coin for USA, $15 for Canada. (You Canadians are used to that kind of baloney, right?)
As in, you pay $10 or $15 depending on your location, and a coin will show up at your door.
I have yet to hear how long it should take for those of you in places like Maine or Nova Scotia to receive your coins after being shipped. I have asked, though.
Edit:
Whoever wants to buy coins for the rest of the PA crew are certainly welcome to do so.
I'd be down to buy one or two to the rest of the PA staff as well, but how would we get them to everyone? Just give Mike & Jerry all of them and ask them to distribute them out to the rest of the gang? And who will be the one to give the coins to 'em?
Sorry but WTF!
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<prox> i work for dicks
#paforums_pax, all about the dicks.
NO. $20 gets you two coins shipped. As in, you pay a total of $20, and two coins will arrive at your door. If you live in the US.
And yes, the payment method is still the ChipIn. But nothing is final yet. Please wait until I give the go-ahead and the full details.
Edit: I would suggest attempting to give the coins to someone in the PA crew whom you know will be at a certain location at a certain time. I would suggest giving them to Mike and Jerry at one of the Q&As or the Make a Strip panel with instructions to provide the coins to certain members of PA. Odds are that some of the folks will be there during the panel, namely Kiko.
Please note that I have already volunteered to provide Robert Khoo a coin.
<Qs23> I just need to get my dicks in a row
<prox> i work for dicks
#paforums_pax, all about the dicks.
Edit:
Seems pretty clear to me.
Organizer of the Post-PAX Party. You should come!
Satellite Theater for life!
Maybe even ask to just have a few mailed direct and we'll make a nice presentation at the show for the others :P
Nice work papaprinny!
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Sorry, I claimed this a couple or so pages back. It's more money out of my pocket, but I am interested to see what his reaction will be to the design.
I recalled Wil, Jerry, Mike, and Robert were all covered. Should we include new office resident Scott Kurtz and/or Kris Straub?
EDIT:
Those who have contributed to the ChipIn so far did so before we were solid on a price. For all of you who have donated to the ChipIn, please go back and review how much you put in and how much more you will need to put in in order to get the number of coins you wanted. But don't add anything more yet. It is always possible that this may not go through, in which case it would be more work for me to go back and refund all the donations we receive from now up until the moment of disappointment. If it does go through, however, please be ready to put in whatever else you want to in order to get the number of coins you want. Please also remember that you MUST email me at papaprinnyA@Tgmail.com with your Paypal ID, the amount you put in, your name, your shipping address, and what you would like. If you do not provide instructions beyond your name, address, and your Paypal ID, I will ship as many coins to you as your ChipIn amount will cover. Any funds left over will be resolved at a later time (likely after PAX, when my primary concern won't be keeping up with orders).
Remember: You are responsible for providing me with enough details to get your order shipped to you. Failure to provide extensive documentation of the above things will result in a shipping delay, and insofar as that goes, I can not be held responsible if you fail to provide enough information. If I see that you have not provided enough info, I will do my best with the time available to me to resolve the issue of lack of information.
Thanks. Chipin seems to be closed though!
WE ARE MAKING CHALLENGE COINS FOR PAX PRIME 2010. ORDERS FOR COINS ARE NOW BEING TAKEN.
The long version:
Northwest Territorial Mint has taken payment for the die. The die will now be cast. This means orders for coins may now be placed.
The design for the obverse and reverse sides of the coin:
WHAT'S ALL THIS THEN?
We, the PAX community, have designed a challenge coin for PAX Prime. It is a product of the community, and is not an official Penny Arcade product. We endeavored to create a high-quality design, and that's what we got.
WHO WILL BE MINTING THE COINS?
Northwest Territorial Mint. View some of their example work here:
http://custom.nwtmint.com/galleries.php
HOW WILL THE COIN LOOK?
The coin will have an antique finish. This will allow the 3D properties of the coin to stand out. To keep individual coin costs down, there will be no enameling or plating applied.
Here is an example of an antique finish produced by NWTM. Notice the contrast it produces with the coin background and the 3D elements:
DOES THE COIN COME IN A PROTECTIVE CASE?
Darrell says that yes, it does. You should always keep yours in the case to protect the finish.
WHAT ARE THE SHIPPING TRANSIT DURATION ESTIMATES?
NWTM estimates that west coasters would receive their coins in about two days from time of shipping. East coasters should receive their coins in about four to five days from time of shipping. These numbers should be roughly the same for Canadian orders. All shipping durations will vary depending on the competency and ability of the Fedex carriers that deliver your packages. It is up to the person who places the order to determine whether the order they place will arrive to them in time for PAX.
WHAT IS THE CUTOFF DATE FOR ORDERING COINS?
There isn't one. If you want, you may order a coin even after PAX Prime has completed so you may have yourself a memento after the fact. However, as orders slow down, orders will eventually no longer be placed daily, but weekly. If you want your coin before Prime though, it is up to you to determine your own cutoff date depending on your geographic relation to the west coast. See above paragraph.
WHEN WILL COINS BEGIN SHIPPING?
Soon after the mint is finished, which, according to Northwest Territorial Mint, should be some time next week (the third calendar week of August).
HOW DO I PAY FOR THIS/WHERE DOES MY MONEY GO?
As suggested by a forum member in this thread, we are using the ChipIn service to take orders. The ChipIn service uses Paypal. Money placed in the ChipIn service therefore goes into my (papaprinny's) Paypal account. Each day I will withdraw all funds deposited into the ChipIn into a dedicated bank account that I have established for this endeavor, match those ChipIn amounts to a message you send to my Gmail address telling me your name, address, your Paypal ID, and how you want your money to be spent (some people like to donate their money to others!). I will forward this information daily to NWTM in an email and place orders using the funds in my dedicated challenge coin bank account.
As we are planning to make more challenge coins in the future for subsequent PAX events, if you have a suggestion for a better way to handle such orders, please post in this thread. ChipIn is a nice service, but as you can see, it has its limitations.
HOW WILL THE ORDERING PROCESS WORK?
Northwest Territorial Mint is not set up to take orders from several people for a single minting. Therefore a single person or entity must broker the transactions. I will do this using a ChipIn account that I have set up specifically for this endeavor. To place an order: Deposit money into the ChipIn account using Paypal, as ChipIn uses Paypal. Be sure to take into consideration Paypal fees, as outlined in the following link:
https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/websc...y-fees-outside
EDIT:
Normally, money transfers are free with Paypal, however, because this is ChipIn, they consider it to be payment for serviceable goods. I called them and asked them to stop. They won't.
SO BECAUSE PAYPAL SUCKS THE ROOT, THEY ARE ASSESSING 2.9% + $0.30 FEES ON EVERY ORDER ANYWAY.
SO PLEASE ADD 2.9% OF THE ORDER + $0.30 TO THE TOTAL OF YOUR ORDER, OTHERWISE I WILL BE SHOULDERING THE FEES.
Because these fees are being assessed to me, with the current total of $753.68, I am now out a few bucks. Please, PLEASE add the fees to your order when placing your order! The calculation for the amount you should pay is as such:
(Your order total x 1.029) + .30 = your total payment
EDIT 2: ADD A FEW CENTS OF EXTRA SALT ON THIS.
Why? Because, surprise surprise, Paypal are run by a bunch of crooks. For instance, orders of $20 should require $20.88, which is equivalent to 20 x 1.029 + .30. After Paypal is done with it though, the remaining total is $19.97. Either they are not fully disclosing their fees, or they are thieves. Either way, Paypal still sucks, and I hate them dearly.
I guess that's what we get for swimming with sharks, eh?
/EDIT
After you place money in the ChipIn, IMMEDIATELY send me an email at papaprinnyA@Tgmail.com (leave out the A and the T) with the following:
1.) Your Paypal ID/email that you used to put money into the ChipIn
2.) Your name
3.) The name of the PayPal account holder
Edit: I would prefer that you simply include recipient name/shipping address with your Paypal payment from this point forward. This will eliminate the possibility of my mistaking where to have the coin sent.
4.) The amount of money you put into the ChipIn
5.) What you would like me to do with your money. (Yes, this has to be asked: Some people are willing to simply donate money so that others of lesser means may have a coin too.) If you wish to purchase a coin for someone else in the forum here, you will need to provide me that person's name and shipping information. I will not figure this out for you.
If item 5 is omitted, I will assume the order is for you and will use the entirety of the funds submitted to order coins for you.
If you wish to simply donate your money to the "Challenge Coins for the Nerdy and Underprivileged" Fund (see below), that money will be used to order single coins for individuals of stated financial need. This fund will be first-come, first serve. If long after PAX Prime this fund still has money in it, the balance will carry over into our next Challenge Coin event.
After all the above is received, payment and your information will be forwarded to Northwest Territorial Mint on at least a daily basis.
FAILURE TO PROVIDE SUFFICIENT INFORMATION AS OUTLINED ABOVE WILL RESULT IN A SHIPPING DELAY.
The "Challenge Coins for the Nerdy and Underprivileged" Fund
As mentioned above, if anyone wishes to simply donate money so that those of stated financial need may have a challenge coin when they would otherwise be unable to order one for themselves, you may do so. This money will be earmarked for the "Challenge Coins for the Nerdy and Underprivileged" Fund, whose total will be updated daily.
Conditions for application for a free challenge coin using the aforementioned fund:
PLEASE NOTE: The conditions have changed, and are somewhat more lenient now.
You no longer must be unable to pay for your own coin.
You may request a free coin if you are very tight on money and thus can not justify the cost of purchasing a coin. (ie, poor, not dirt poor)
You MUST post in this thread asking for a free coin. This is done so that the more dishonest among us who are fully able to afford a coin will be discouraged from essentially stealing from the fund, as they would be forced to lie publicly.
Will this take some humility? Yes. Does the PAX community understand? Yes. Yes we do. We look out for our brothers and sisters, and we want you to have a coin if you can't afford one, so long as the funds are available.
If it is discovered that someone who asks for a free challenge coin has lied about their stated financial need, that person will likely be publicly humiliated by members of this forum, and will also likely be subject to moderator and administrator reprisals.
WHO IS PROFITING FROM THIS?
Northwest Territorial Mint is the only entity in all of this who will make any profit. Though I, papaprinny, have put a lot of time and effort into helping this forum produce a design for a coin and subsequently broker all transactions that have happened thus far, I receive not one cent of profit from this endeavor. I do not profit from this because I feel it would be dishonest to do so, and because I do not want my motives for doing all this to be called into question. Since I was a large contributor to the design of the coin, I am happy enough knowing that people like the design and would want to have their own copy of one.
JUST TO CLARIFY: WHO WILL BE BROKERING THESE TRANSACTIONS?
I, papaprinny, am performing all brokering services. I would have you deal with Northwest Territorial Mint directly, but as mentioned, they do not take orders from multiple individuals for single mintings. Thus someone had to step up and do it. It just happened to be me.
JUST TO CLARIFY: HOW OFTEN WILL PAPAPRINNY FORWARD ORDERS TO NWTM?
At least once a day through and beyond the event dates. Each order will require both an email sent to Darrell at NWTM with shipping instructions, as well as a debit card order from me. As orders slow down to a trickle after Prime, orders will be placed weekly.
WHAT IS PAPAPRINNY'S REPUTATION?
I have been a member of the PAX community since its inception. I have attended every PAX event, and my passion for the culture and brotherhood it creates still burns. I have additionally been with the PAX forums for a number of months now, and for a while now I have been doing my best to cultivate a positive reputation among the PAX community with the Unofficial PAX Community DVD, an endeavor which I deeply care about, and put much of my time into. If my reputation is compromised, the Community DVD is compromised, thus I do my absolute best to be an upstanding- and outstanding- participant in the PAX community.
WHAT IS PAPAPRINNY'S REAL NAME?
Daniel Borders.
Pleased to meet you.
WHAT DO I DO IF I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH MY ORDER?
First let me tell you what you should NOT do:
Do NOT go to Paypal first!
Here's why:
Paypal handles disputes in the following manner: They immediately freeze the account of a Paypal account holder, and keep the account frozen until whatever disputes that are brought up have been resolved. This could take weeks, possibly longer. In the mean time, the account is useless. Additionally, because Paypal has a history of employing thieves and gangsters, it is not all that uncommon for Paypal employees to make withdrawals from frozen accounts until the account is empty.
While all of this is happening, EVERYONE'S day gets ruined: Mine, everyone who has placed an order, and Northwest Territorial Mint. After the dispute is raised, everyone who wants to place an order will be unable to. Those who have placed an order will receive their coins long after Prime if their funds are not stolen by Paypal employees. If these funds are stolen, many may never get their money back if their funds are in the account at the time of the account being frozen.
So if you have any problems, EMAIL me (papaprinnyA@Tgmail.com (without the A and T)), for the sake of everyone who places an order. I will do my darnedest to help you straighten out whatever difficulties you feel you are experiencing.
THE PREVIOUS CHIPIN PAGE IS NO LONGER ACTIVE. WHAT'S UP THERE?
The original ChipIn was meant to collect funds for the die. I only had it active until July 23, which was the cutoff date for gathering of die funds. I am unable to reactivate it. Had I had more time to think this through, I would have allowed the ChipIn to run for a year, the maximum duration of a ChipIn event. In my haste to get this whole thing off the ground, I did not do this. I will be in contact with everyone who contributed to that ChipIn past the $300 point with details about ordering coins.
OKAY, DOWN TO BUSINESS. ORDER HERE:
PRICES ARE AS FOLLOWS:
$10 FLAT FEE FOR EACH COIN ON ORDERS SHIPPED WITHIN THE UNITED STATES.
$15 USD FLAT FEE FOR EACH COIN ON ORDERS SHIPPED TO CANADA.
TO CLARIFY:
$10 WILL GET YOU ONE COIN SHIPPED TO YOUR DOOR IN THE CONTINENTAL U.S. $20 WILL GET YOU TWO COINS SHIPPED TO YOUR DOOR IN THE CONTINENTAL U.S. $30 WILL GET YOU 3, $40 WILL GET YOU 4, ETC.
$15 WILL GET YOU ONE COIN SHIPPED TO YOUR DOOR IN HAWAII. $30 WILL GET YOU TWO COINS SHIPPED TO YOUR DOOR IN HAWAII. $45 WILL GET YOU 3, $60 WILL GET YOU 4, ETC.
$15 WILL GET YOU ONE COIN SHIPPED TO YOUR DOOR IN CANADA. $30 WILL GET YOU TWO COINS SHIPPED TO YOUR DOOR IN CANADA. $45 WILL GET YOU 3, $60 WILL GET YOU 4, ETC.
PLEASE REVIEW THE "HOW WILL THE ORDERING PROCESS WORK?" SECTION ABOVE BEFORE PLACING YOUR ORDER.
OKAY. HERE'S THE CHIPIN LINK:
http://pax2010challengecoins.chipin.com/pax-prime-2010-challenge-coins-2
QUESTIONS?
Post 'em here.
Did you receive it or should I send it somewhere else?
Edit: Can we also get a running total of the number of challenge coins bought each day? That would be a great thing for those of us who love numbers, even if it is fully anonymous.
If you have to pay for a single drink PAX weekend, we have failed you.
Also, should we use a certain subject so you can filter things better?
Also, put my order in for 1 coin and fundage for others who need it.
Also, Oslo is a place.
Also, I'm done.
-Italo Calvino
Thanks.
Since paypal skims off the top for this fee, does that mean that each coin is $10.59 if we use a credit card? If the maths are correct.
($10 * 1.029) + $0.30 = $10.59
I would suggest adding a couple cents' worth of salt on top of that, as Paypal is sneaky and bastardly. Anything left over will go to the Challenge Coins for the Nerdy and Underprivileged Fund.
Edit:
Be forewarned: I will fail you under the table with that offer.
That's exactly what I just did & e-mailed to you. Thanks for putting this all together!
....
if you have to pay for your *FIRST* drink at all PAX weekend, we have failed you.
-shifty eye-
Seriously though, it sounds like it was a lot, and will be, a bunch of work, thanks for everything.
-Italo Calvino
Thank you!
In order to deal with initial orders, I was depending on my Paypal debit card, which gets around the problem of fund availability 3 to 4 days after a bank transfer to my dedicated challenge coin bank account. However, as fate would have it, my Paypal debit card appears to no longer be active.
This affects you in the following way:
Demand for challenge coins have far exceeded my wildest dreams. I am unable to access the funds immediately. Due to the amazing demand, I can not begin to cover the orders until funds are available. Therefore I must transfer the balance at the end of each day to my challenge coin bank account and wait for those funds to become available. This transaction takes 3 to 4 business days to complete. I was hoping to deal with this in the mean time by using a Paypal debit card, but the card is now no longer a factor. So the bottom line is this:
Order now and you won't be affected.
By the time the die is cast, orders placed today, tomorrow, Saturday and Sunday should be ready to be placed.
If you wait to place your order, your order will be placed after the die is cast, when I have access to the funds.
Does this push up the deadline for ordering coins and receiving them before PAX?
YES.
Does Northwest Territorial Mint take Paypal orders?
NO.
Does papaprinny feel bad about this development?
I FEEL AWFUL.
It was my intention to do everything in my power to make this work as perfectly as possible in what very little time we had to organize this. However, it seems the world had other plans.
The takeaway here is that there is now a 3-4 business day wait for me to have access to funds. Due to the amazing demand, I can not immediately cover these with my personal finances, though I would if I could.
What should I do to avoid this being a problem for me?
Order right now. Tell all your friends to order right now.
What can I do to best help papaprinny feel better?
Offer the following: Your sympathy, your understanding, your patience, and your immediate order placement if you want a coin so that I may accommodate you in a timely fashion.
That's all for now. If you'll excuse me, I need to go fill this pit in my stomach.
Also, don't let the PayPal situation get you down/anxious: PayPal is a butt like that. But I do appreciate that they let you use credit... I'm in the process of almost finding a job after some drama, but at the moment I'm not sure when the offer is going to come down (or if it will, though it feels good), so cash is strapped until I'm sure of new income. =(
Ditto
thirded