it's topical and there's no reason it shouldn't be appropriate to D&D
haha
yeah it would require a little policework, but on the other hand we have long-standing diet and no-carb threads, so it's not really gonna be any worse than those i don't think
yeah, I mean - aside from that potential hangup, I am completely down with the idea
I am certainly much more likely to read the thread if it is here than in H/A
which, uh, may say something about my own level of personal laziness but yeah
Good luck. Would be nice to see it back. That thread just requires a certain level of micro management.
Gooey - a can of tuna has more mercury than a very small percentage of vaccines used to contain (and even then it was a different mercury molecule) over 10 years ago.
There has not been any mercury whatsoever in any vaccines in any first world nation since the mid 90s.
her thing was about how there is mercury in vaccines and that will give you and your kids the 'tism
i thought there was still some in like the measels vaccine or whatever, but i could be wrong. I haven't researched it. Why? because i do not intend on not getting my kids/self vaccinated for things.
I am not excusing anything here. these people are wrong and harmful.
good intentions means I won't call the person evil or other terms like it. they are trying to do the right thing.
I would also have to reconsider if the person was knowingly causing direct harm (like beating the gay out of a kid to save their soul I'd never excuse on any level). these parents obviously don't believe their kids are getting other kids killed through lack of vaccine otherwise they'd stop.
it's a tricky situation. it just seems to me that calling these people vile and whatever else is helping no one. they need to be educated correctly.
I think it's a genuine ethical conundrum that a person may have horrible intentions but end up doing good by accident, while another person may have good intentions but end up doing horrible things.
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every person who doesn't like an acquired taste always seems to think everyone who likes it is faking it. it should be an official fallacy.
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
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one day the paranoid zealots are gonna be right
and where will you be
I'll be in an underground bunker wearing my anti brain scan helmet
there are people in this world who are ignorant in a way that they get my pity
children, mostly
when i see a 12 year old boy in a klan hood, i feel sorry for that child, it's not his fault he grew up in Jackson or Savannah or wherever
but an adult has to take stock of their life and responsibility for the stupid beliefs they were raised with, and in our modern era there's only so much a person can use their own ignorance as an excuse.
anti-vaxxers are not jungle tribes or dirt-stained appalachians. they are people who use the internet and watch TV and are capable of reading books.
they choose to remain like that are, in the face of fact to the contrary, in the face of children dying because of their stupid ideas.
so, they can go fuck themselves.
Is there a net benefit from your anger, versus pity? At what point does a person transition from "he has had evil done to him" to "he is evil"?
Adulthood. Unless a person is so impoverished or isolated they don't have access to contrary information, or are so indoctrinated by their absurd notions that they're psychologically incapable of understanding what's wrong with how they see things, then they are still adults who should be thinking critically and rationally and looking at facts as facts instead of only the facts that make them feel warm and fuzzy.
Adults have a responsibility to critical thinking.
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I am not excusing anything here. these people are wrong and harmful.
good intentions means I won't call the person evil or other terms like it. they are trying to do the right thing.
I would also have to reconsider if the person was knowingly causing direct harm (like beating the gay out of a kid to save their soul I'd never excuse on any level). these parents obviously don't believe their kids are getting other kids killed through lack of vaccine otherwise they'd stop.
it's a tricky situation. it just seems to me that calling these people vile and whatever else is helping no one. they need to be educated correctly.
I think it's a genuine ethical conundrum that a person may have horrible intentions but end up doing good by accident, while another person may have good intentions but end up doing horrible things.
yeah, I came in kind of bold acting like I knew where to draw the line but it's a fuzzy as fuck situation.
my personal thing is to not react to a difficult choice with anger and whatnot, but for other people that's the most reasonable thing... and I'm not prepared to call them wrong either.
ITT, we learn that Fluffy thinks that Hitler was neither evil nor vile.
That comparison doesn't work.
It does if you think good intentions are the only thing that doesn't make you evil.
Hitler was aware he was harming the Jews. He didn't care. Anti-vaxxers are not aware of the harm they are causing. They would care if they did.
BULLSHIT.
Children die because of anti-vaccination beliefs. Children of anti-vaxx parents who, because of their parents stupid bullshit, fucking die.
Do you see any of them recanting because of that?
No.
They just make fucking excuses, because that's what self-righteous, paranoid zealots do.
And you're making excuses for them, for reasons I think are bullshit.
Not all Anti-vaxxers are aware of the deaths contributed to them. Not nearly enough of them are active or vocal enough to say their entire community would behave the way you're claiming.
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it's topical and there's no reason it shouldn't be appropriate to D&D
haha
yeah it would require a little policework, but on the other hand we have long-standing diet and no-carb threads, so it's not really gonna be any worse than those i don't think
yeah, I mean - aside from that potential hangup, I am completely down with the idea
I am certainly much more likely to read the thread if it is here than in H/A
which, uh, may say something about my own level of personal laziness but yeah
Gooey - a can of tuna has more mercury than a very small percentage of vaccines used to contain (and even then it was a different mercury molecule) over 10 years ago.
There has not been any mercury whatsoever in any vaccines in any first world nation since the mid 90s.
her thing was about how there is mercury in vaccines and that will give you and your kids the 'tism
i thought there was still some in like the measels vaccine or whatever, but i could be wrong. I haven't researched it. Why? because i do not intend on not getting my kids/self vaccinated for things.
Ah, cool.
Well if it ever comes up the fact is that thermisol was a preservative used in some kinds of vaccines until the mid to late 90s. It was based on a different mercury molecule than what causes mercury poisoning and in very tiny amounts (as you noted, less than is in a can of tuna). However, even that has not been used at all for over a decade now.
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KageraImitating the worst people. Since 2004Registered Userregular
Anti-Vaccination propaganda was actually started by the shadow government which is a puppet government controlled by what popular media likes to refer to as The Greys.
They constantly disrupt society in various ways to keep society as a whole from reaching the technological singularity.
you trollin, bro
Trolls really don't get involved in human affairs very much. The Fae have their own agendas to worry about.
Trolls never get the appreciation they deserve.
Those bridges aren't guarding themselves.
Trolls don't guard bridges. It's just that bridges run over water. Running Water is often indicative of a ley line. Ley lines are perfect for exits to and from the Fae Realms. Nice little hidden alcoves under bridges are even better.
Trolls are big, and grumpy and they get caught coming through a portal and shit happens, bra.
guys feral posted in my h/a thread and called me a lamentable drug addict and told me he'd give me some adderall if i sucked his dick
do i have any legal recourse
Your only recourse is to get down on your knees, ho.
Seriously though I don't think it's a big deal. What you've described is completely typical of Adderall. And I really don't think it's a big deal to use Adderall occasionally if you have a big day or an important deadline. Just as long as it stays occasional.
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every person who doesn't like an acquired taste always seems to think everyone who likes it is faking it. it should be an official fallacy.
Anti-vaxxers are not aware of the harm they are causing
You seriously don't think an anti vaxxer doesn't have the cognitive ability to make the connection that "If my child doesn't get the measles vaccination, he will get the measles"?
If my child doesn't get the measles vaccination, he might get the measles
If my child gets the measles vaccination, he is having poison injected into him
They opt for the possible harm over the definite. It makes a certain sense, from their point of view.
My father's a paranoid jerk-off, with not so much "conspiracy theories" proper but more a bunch of groundless fears and dreads that lead him to do all kinds of stupid things.
Like train my brother and I in insurgency tactics from childhood. That is insane. I wouldn't say it was abusive, but I would say it was un-necessary and fucked up!
So my dad sits on the side of a line where I am annoyed with his bullshit, but still have a bit of pity for him because his whack-ass notions don't really hurt anyone but himself. He doesn't scream it at people, in fact he generally doesn't talk about it and if I wasn't his son and raised with it, I wouldn't know about it either.
He keeps it to himself, so it's not so much threatening as it is sad and pathetic, and if he ever decides to get help, I'll be there to help him.
But, if, for example, his stupid beliefs had harmed me as a child, or he went around shouting his stupid crap and convincing others of it?
Trolls don't guard bridges. It's just that bridges run over water. Running Water is often indicative of a ley line. Ley lines are perfect for exits to and from the Fae Realms. Nice little hidden alcoves under bridges are even better.
I hadn't heard that before. Fits in with the whole "vampires can't cross running water" thing, though.
Is it a 'real' myth, or something out of Pratchett?
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KageraImitating the worst people. Since 2004Registered Userregular
ITT, we learn that Fluffy thinks that Hitler was neither evil nor vile.
That comparison doesn't work.
It does if you think good intentions are the only thing that doesn't make you evil.
Hitler was aware he was harming the Jews. He didn't care. Anti-vaxxers are not aware of the harm they are causing. They would care if they did.
BULLSHIT.
Children die because of anti-vaccination beliefs. Children of anti-vaxx parents who, because of their parents stupid bullshit, fucking die.
Do you see any of them recanting because of that?
No.
They just make fucking excuses, because that's what self-righteous, paranoid zealots do.
And you're making excuses for them, for reasons I think are bullshit.
Not all Anti-vaxxers are aware of the deaths contributed to them. Not nearly enough of them are active or vocal enough to say their entire community would behave the way you're claiming.
So they are ignorant of their own fucking movement and lazy to boot?
Trolls don't guard bridges. It's just that bridges run over water. Running Water is often indicative of a ley line. Ley lines are perfect for exits to and from the Fae Realms. Nice little hidden alcoves under bridges are even better.
I hadn't heard that before. Fits in with the whole "vampires can't cross running water" thing, though.
Is it a 'real' myth, or something out of Pratchett?
It probably is, but I just make this shit up on the fly. Cobbled from reading waaaay too many fantasy novels.
Anti-vaxxers are not aware of the harm they are causing
You seriously don't think an anti vaxxer doesn't have the cognitive ability to make the connection that "If my child doesn't get the measles vaccination, he will get the measles"?
If my child doesn't get the measles vaccination, he might get the measles
If my child gets the measles vaccination, he is having poison injected into him
They opt for the possible harm over the definite. It makes a certain sense, from their point of view.
Different points of view are a hard thing for a lot of people.
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there are people in this world who are ignorant in a way that they get my pity
children, mostly
when i see a 12 year old boy in a klan hood, i feel sorry for that child, it's not his fault he grew up in Jackson or Savannah or wherever
but an adult has to take stock of their life and responsibility for the stupid beliefs they were raised with, and in our modern era there's only so much a person can use their own ignorance as an excuse.
anti-vaxxers are not jungle tribes or dirt-stained appalachians. they are people who use the internet and watch TV and are capable of reading books.
they choose to remain like that are, in the face of fact to the contrary, in the face of children dying because of their stupid ideas.
so, they can go fuck themselves.
Is there a net benefit from your anger, versus pity? At what point does a person transition from "he has had evil done to him" to "he is evil"?
Adulthood. Unless a person is so impoverished or isolated they don't have access to contrary information, or are so indoctrinated by their absurd notions that they're psychologically incapable of understanding what's wrong with how they see things, then they are still adults who should be thinking critically and rationally and looking at facts as facts instead of only the facts that make them feel warm and fuzzy.
Adults have a responsibility to critical thinking.
A nice ideal, but it's not really something that you're made to learn. People are taught "this is how the world is", not "this is how you find out how the world is".
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KageraImitating the worst people. Since 2004Registered Userregular
Anti-vaxxers are not aware of the harm they are causing
You seriously don't think an anti vaxxer doesn't have the cognitive ability to make the connection that "If my child doesn't get the measles vaccination, he will get the measles"?
If my child doesn't get the measles vaccination, he might get the measles
If my child gets the measles vaccination, he is having poison injected into him
They opt for the possible harm over the definite. It makes a certain sense, from their point of view.
You left out probably the most important part:
If my child doesn't get the measles vaccination, he might pass along that infection to any children he comes in contact with (even passively, measles is extraordinarly contagious) who are too young to have been vaccinated yet. Or elerly people, chemo patients, those with AIDS or anyone else with a compromized immune system.
Trolls don't guard bridges. It's just that bridges run over water. Running Water is often indicative of a ley line. Ley lines are perfect for exits to and from the Fae Realms. Nice little hidden alcoves under bridges are even better.
I hadn't heard that before. Fits in with the whole "vampires can't cross running water" thing, though.
Is it a 'real' myth, or something out of Pratchett?
It probably is, but I just make this shit up on the fly. Cobbled from reading waaaay too many fantasy novels.
ITT, we learn that Fluffy thinks that Hitler was neither evil nor vile.
That comparison doesn't work.
It does if you think good intentions are the only thing that doesn't make you evil.
Hitler was aware he was harming the Jews. He didn't care. Anti-vaxxers are not aware of the harm they are causing. They would care if they did.
BULLSHIT.
Children die because of anti-vaccination beliefs. Children of anti-vaxx parents who, because of their parents stupid bullshit, fucking die.
Do you see any of them recanting because of that?
No.
They just make fucking excuses, because that's what self-righteous, paranoid zealots do.
And you're making excuses for them, for reasons I think are bullshit.
Not all Anti-vaxxers are aware of the deaths contributed to them. Not nearly enough of them are active or vocal enough to say their entire community would behave the way you're claiming.
So they are ignorant of their own fucking movement and lazy to boot?
Yeah...that's not vile at all!
Their movement is pretty faith heavy, so it could be compared to a religion. Many Christians can't quote scripture, are they lazy? Maybe. One can casually adhere to certain doctrine or take up a philosophy without delving too deep into it. They learn the basics of it, find it agreeable, and expand their knowledge base as they see fit. I wouldn't say that a considerable number of Christians are any less Christian or any more vile because of how much or how little they know about their faith.
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edited March 2011
I wouldn't mind being trained in insurgency tactics
Anyone who remembers the intelligent design debate should be perfectly aware of how indoctrination can make it extremely difficult for people to change their world views in the face of overwhelming evidence. I didn't really understand it that well until I dated a fundamentalist Christian girl.
Anyone who remembers the intelligent design debate should be perfectly aware of how indoctrination can make it extremely difficult for people to change their world views in the face of overwhelming evidence. I didn't really understand it that well until I dated a fundamentalist Christian girl.
We're pretty much wired that way. Changing the way we view the world isn't easy for anyone.
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Good luck. Would be nice to see it back. That thread just requires a certain level of micro management.
You should put Multi-Pass on his collar
her thing was about how there is mercury in vaccines and that will give you and your kids the 'tism
i thought there was still some in like the measels vaccine or whatever, but i could be wrong. I haven't researched it. Why? because i do not intend on not getting my kids/self vaccinated for things.
I think it's a genuine ethical conundrum that a person may have horrible intentions but end up doing good by accident, while another person may have good intentions but end up doing horrible things.
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
and where will you be
I'll be in an underground bunker wearing my anti brain scan helmet
Adulthood. Unless a person is so impoverished or isolated they don't have access to contrary information, or are so indoctrinated by their absurd notions that they're psychologically incapable of understanding what's wrong with how they see things, then they are still adults who should be thinking critically and rationally and looking at facts as facts instead of only the facts that make them feel warm and fuzzy.
Adults have a responsibility to critical thinking.
yeah, I came in kind of bold acting like I knew where to draw the line but it's a fuzzy as fuck situation.
my personal thing is to not react to a difficult choice with anger and whatnot, but for other people that's the most reasonable thing... and I'm not prepared to call them wrong either.
so here I sit on a fence.
do i have any legal recourse
you could suck his dick
Not all Anti-vaxxers are aware of the deaths contributed to them. Not nearly enough of them are active or vocal enough to say their entire community would behave the way you're claiming.
your click muscles are all atrophied, jake!
he pretty much has to
so simple
so elegant
I can give you legal advice.
It'll cost you though.
:winky:
Ah, cool.
Well if it ever comes up the fact is that thermisol was a preservative used in some kinds of vaccines until the mid to late 90s. It was based on a different mercury molecule than what causes mercury poisoning and in very tiny amounts (as you noted, less than is in a can of tuna). However, even that has not been used at all for over a decade now.
But he was doing it FOR THE WORLD! Because Jews were the evil ones.
Trolls don't guard bridges. It's just that bridges run over water. Running Water is often indicative of a ley line. Ley lines are perfect for exits to and from the Fae Realms. Nice little hidden alcoves under bridges are even better.
Trolls are big, and grumpy and they get caught coming through a portal and shit happens, bra.
Your only recourse is to get down on your knees, ho.
Seriously though I don't think it's a big deal. What you've described is completely typical of Adderall. And I really don't think it's a big deal to use Adderall occasionally if you have a big day or an important deadline. Just as long as it stays occasional.
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
If my child doesn't get the measles vaccination, he might get the measles
If my child gets the measles vaccination, he is having poison injected into him
They opt for the possible harm over the definite. It makes a certain sense, from their point of view.
Like train my brother and I in insurgency tactics from childhood. That is insane. I wouldn't say it was abusive, but I would say it was un-necessary and fucked up!
So my dad sits on the side of a line where I am annoyed with his bullshit, but still have a bit of pity for him because his whack-ass notions don't really hurt anyone but himself. He doesn't scream it at people, in fact he generally doesn't talk about it and if I wasn't his son and raised with it, I wouldn't know about it either.
He keeps it to himself, so it's not so much threatening as it is sad and pathetic, and if he ever decides to get help, I'll be there to help him.
But, if, for example, his stupid beliefs had harmed me as a child, or he went around shouting his stupid crap and convincing others of it?
Fuck him, man.
I hadn't heard that before. Fits in with the whole "vampires can't cross running water" thing, though.
Is it a 'real' myth, or something out of Pratchett?
So they are ignorant of their own fucking movement and lazy to boot?
Yeah...that's not vile at all!
No you fool, don't you see
The lizard people invented the anti brain scan helmets
They can hack them and scan your brains!
It probably is, but I just make this shit up on the fly. Cobbled from reading waaaay too many fantasy novels.
Different points of view are a hard thing for a lot of people.
A nice ideal, but it's not really something that you're made to learn. People are taught "this is how the world is", not "this is how you find out how the world is".
You left out probably the most important part:
If my child doesn't get the measles vaccination, he might pass along that infection to any children he comes in contact with (even passively, measles is extraordinarly contagious) who are too young to have been vaccinated yet. Or elerly people, chemo patients, those with AIDS or anyone else with a compromized immune system.
eh, making shit up is far more fun.
Because circles are harder to draw?
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
and I need to dust my room
two birds? ... but this seat is so comfy
maybe a coffee first
Their movement is pretty faith heavy, so it could be compared to a religion. Many Christians can't quote scripture, are they lazy? Maybe. One can casually adhere to certain doctrine or take up a philosophy without delving too deep into it. They learn the basics of it, find it agreeable, and expand their knowledge base as they see fit. I wouldn't say that a considerable number of Christians are any less Christian or any more vile because of how much or how little they know about their faith.
As an adult, mind
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all in all, a good days work.
We're pretty much wired that way. Changing the way we view the world isn't easy for anyone.
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or am i
i dont know what to think
upenn has a pretty good d.phil poli sci program
I'm sure the army wouldn't mind teaching you some insurgency tactics.
In exchange for an Iraqi vacation.
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