I have yet to bro op (or sis op as the case may be) that one. I would be interested!
I'm kind of meh at it, but I really enjoy it and I'm fairly certain I can get better with practice. It's mostly that everything is geared to 2+ players that's hindering me, I'm only in chapter 3.
Honestly, for me, anti-vaxxers straddle that line between merely stupid versus stupid and evil.
Mostly because I cannot understand how somebody can look at the available information and come to the conclusion that arguing against vaccination is the right thing to do.
And if they haven't really looked at much of the available information, I cannot understand how they can come to the conclusion that arguing against stopping diseases based on their limited knowledge is the right thing to do.
The moral calculus just flummoxes me.
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every person who doesn't like an acquired taste always seems to think everyone who likes it is faking it. it should be an official fallacy.
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
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Can't believe Nate Dogg really passed. This hits me hard.
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Anti-vaxxers aren't vile. They're just terribly misinformed. Their intentions are good.
Their intentions are self-absorbed and arrogant.
You don't know what you're talking about. They genuinely think vaccinations are unhealthy and intend to spread the word. Some of them behave too aggressively about it, but you'll find extremists in any group. They put too much stock in bad information, and like conspiracy theorists -- which is basically what they are -- most of them do possess that "eyes wide open" mentality, which makes arguing with them difficult as they approach this topic from more of a belief standpoint.
What they do is harmful, definitely. What they think they're doing is preventing people from being poisoned. They are delusional, and it can be argued that they find some fulfillment in performing this function, but so do most people who set out to do good.
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Anti-vaxxers aren't vile. They're just terribly misinformed. Their intentions are good.
Their intentions are self-absorbed and arrogant.
You don't know what you're talking about. They genuinely think vaccinations are unhealthy and intend to spread the word. Some of them behave too aggressively about it, but you'll find extremists in any group. They put too much stock in bad information, and like conspiracy theorists -- which is basically what they are -- most of them do possess that "eyes wide open" mentality, which makes arguing with them difficult as they approach this topic from more of a belief standpoint.
What they do is harmful, definitely. What they think they're doing is preventing people from being poisoned. They are delusional, and it can be argued that they find some fulfillment in performing this function, but so do most people who set out to do good.
I do know what I'm talking about, and jam it with walnuts for saying I don't.
Conspiracy theorists and anti-vaxxers and all of those fucking people are self-absorbed and arrogant at best, and mentally ill at worst.
The only way they are blameless and good intentioned is if there's something mentally wrong with them, like they've got a legit psychological paranoia disorder.
In all other cases, they're ignorant, arrogant people who refuse to fucking learn shit.
I will not budge on this issue, Fluffy, and if you won't either I suggest we stop talking about it, you and I, because you have no idea the level of contempt I have for paranoid conspiracy theorists, anti-vaxxers, truthers, birthers, all those motherfuckers.
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I have yet to bro op (or sis op as the case may be) that one. I would be interested!
I'm kind of meh at it, but I really enjoy it and I'm fairly certain I can get better with practice. It's mostly that everything is geared to 2+ players that's hindering me, I'm only in chapter 3.
I will play with you, passer!
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less or more than people who don't like dragon age 2? :P
okay serious question... do you have that level of contempt for everyone who has been educated incorrectly? or is otherwise dumb/stupid/willing to find answers in the wrong places even if they seem right?
less or more than people who don't like dragon age 2? :P
okay serious question... do you have that level of contempt for everyone who has been educated incorrectly? or is otherwise dumb/stupid/willing to find answers in the wrong places even if they seem right?
Opposite question: do good intentions excuse all harmful behaviors?
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every person who doesn't like an acquired taste always seems to think everyone who likes it is faking it. it should be an official fallacy.
Honestly, for me, anti-vaxxers straddle that line between merely stupid versus stupid and evil.
Mostly because I cannot understand how somebody can look at the available information and come to the conclusion that arguing against vaccination is the right thing to do.
And if they haven't really looked at much of the available information, I cannot understand how they can come to the conclusion that arguing against stopping diseases based on their limited knowledge is the right thing to do.
The moral calculus just flummoxes me.
Someone directs them to bad information or they seek it out themselves to confirm suspicions. They follow that information to other sources saying the same thing. These people are generally paranoid to begin with, which is why the anti-vaxxer community is just a hop skip and a jump from your Truthers or what-have-you. They already think the pharmaceutical companies are just out for a buck and are, well, evil. These people view the world through a very negative filter.
Anti-vaxxers are Believers. Information that doesn't affirm their faith is viewed skeptically, and often considered falsified or part of a cover-up.
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edited March 2011
I believe the government is covering up Roswell and the usage of Element 151 for anti-gravity propulsion device testing, Pony.
less or more than people who don't like dragon age 2? :P
okay serious question... do you have that level of contempt for everyone who has been educated incorrectly? or is otherwise dumb/stupid/willing to find answers in the wrong places even if they seem right?
Paranoia about "Them" ("The Man", "The Military-Industrial Complex", "Big Pharma", whatever) and conspiracy theories and blatant distrust of science in favor of bullshit and bad logic sticks in my fucking craw for personal reasons.
Anti-vaxxers aren't vile. They're just terribly misinformed. Their intentions are good.
Their intentions are self-absorbed and arrogant.
You don't know what you're talking about. They genuinely think vaccinations are unhealthy and intend to spread the word. Some of them behave too aggressively about it, but you'll find extremists in any group. They put too much stock in bad information, and like conspiracy theorists -- which is basically what they are -- most of them do possess that "eyes wide open" mentality, which makes arguing with them difficult as they approach this topic from more of a belief standpoint.
What they do is harmful, definitely. What they think they're doing is preventing people from being poisoned. They are delusional, and it can be argued that they find some fulfillment in performing this function, but so do most people who set out to do good.
9 Infants dead of a completely preventable disease (pertussus, or "whooping cough") in a single year in a single state because of anti-vaxxers.
And these 9 dead infants? They weren't all even the children of these lunatics. They just had the bad fortune to have come in contact with them, however briefly.
In 2010 there were also pertussus outbreaks - with casulties - (which had been completely eliminated in the 1st world thanks to vaccinations prior to the anti-vax nonsense taking hold) in British Columbia, Canada as well as Australia and the UK.
less or more than people who don't like dragon age 2? :P
okay serious question... do you have that level of contempt for everyone who has been educated incorrectly? or is otherwise dumb/stupid/willing to find answers in the wrong places even if they seem right?
Paranoia about "Them" ("The Man", "The Military-Industrial Complex", "Big Pharma", whatever) and conspiracy theories and blatant distrust of science in favor of bullshit and bad logic sticks in my fucking craw for personal reasons.
It fires me up and makes me not polite.
And it's the assholes like Alex Jones who make it hard to talk about a lot of issues without being dismissed as another whackjob.
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PasserbyeI am much older than you.in Beach CityRegistered Userregular
I have yet to bro op (or sis op as the case may be) that one. I would be interested!
I'm kind of meh at it, but I really enjoy it and I'm fairly certain I can get better with practice. It's mostly that everything is geared to 2+ players that's hindering me, I'm only in chapter 3.
Anti-vaxxers aren't vile. They're just terribly misinformed. Their intentions are good.
It is possible to be vile in ignorance. Not only are they putting their own children in danger, they are putting every child around them in danger with their ignorance. And the results of their ignorance is not that children may get a sniffle or some shit, kids die from the diseases that they are willfully exposing them to because of their ignorance. Anti-vaxxers are pretty damned vile, IMHO.
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I have yet to bro op (or sis op as the case may be) that one. I would be interested!
I'm kind of meh at it, but I really enjoy it and I'm fairly certain I can get better with practice. It's mostly that everything is geared to 2+ players that's hindering me, I'm only in chapter 3.
less or more than people who don't like dragon age 2? :P
okay serious question... do you have that level of contempt for everyone who has been educated incorrectly? or is otherwise dumb/stupid/willing to find answers in the wrong places even if they seem right?
Opposite question: do good intentions excuse all harmful behaviors?
The road to hell is paved with good intentions right?
No, I would say good intentions do not, or at least do not when the information showing how wrong your intentions were is readily available and easily interpreted.
I haven't had any vaccines since I had my shots for college. I never get a flu one because I figure they're best used by the old and weak and I never get sick anyways.
I suppose I should talk to a doctor about that and at least get another tetanus or something. God, I hate dealing with my health insurance.
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pm me your name on the facebooks and we can pal around
at least that's how i think it works?
i don't have any friends on my fakebook i just made, so, i ain't tried to invite a friend to battle to see what happens
if i just import your character and you aren't playing with me that would be hella lame
Nazis.
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
...you know, I might just PM Tube and ask if we can please have a fitness thread again.
I'm kind of meh at it, but I really enjoy it and I'm fairly certain I can get better with practice. It's mostly that everything is geared to 2+ players that's hindering me, I'm only in chapter 3.
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all right i will look at it
how do i play?
do you have a facebook account?
if so
just login and i think just search for Dragon Age Legends?
should take you there
i followed an email to play it, so
Mussolini got the trains running on time, man.
[tiny]Well, he would have if he hadn't dealt with Italians.[/tiny]
I mean
shocking concept time
I have the opposite problem, so I take subtracterall.
I think that is actually how it works yo
he'll probably just want people to post in the SE thread instead, since he's an SE uber alles type of guy
but you can try! it's topical and there's no reason it shouldn't be appropriate to D&D
Mostly because I cannot understand how somebody can look at the available information and come to the conclusion that arguing against vaccination is the right thing to do.
And if they haven't really looked at much of the available information, I cannot understand how they can come to the conclusion that arguing against stopping diseases based on their limited knowledge is the right thing to do.
The moral calculus just flummoxes me.
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
Oh, I was thinking of reviving the H/A thread.
Hmm.
You don't know what you're talking about. They genuinely think vaccinations are unhealthy and intend to spread the word. Some of them behave too aggressively about it, but you'll find extremists in any group. They put too much stock in bad information, and like conspiracy theorists -- which is basically what they are -- most of them do possess that "eyes wide open" mentality, which makes arguing with them difficult as they approach this topic from more of a belief standpoint.
What they do is harmful, definitely. What they think they're doing is preventing people from being poisoned. They are delusional, and it can be argued that they find some fulfillment in performing this function, but so do most people who set out to do good.
yup
really bad things are happening because of these people
but to their understanding they are doing the right thing
so... I don't call that vile.
what really?
gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay
I do know what I'm talking about, and jam it with walnuts for saying I don't.
Conspiracy theorists and anti-vaxxers and all of those fucking people are self-absorbed and arrogant at best, and mentally ill at worst.
The only way they are blameless and good intentioned is if there's something mentally wrong with them, like they've got a legit psychological paranoia disorder.
In all other cases, they're ignorant, arrogant people who refuse to fucking learn shit.
I will not budge on this issue, Fluffy, and if you won't either I suggest we stop talking about it, you and I, because you have no idea the level of contempt I have for paranoid conspiracy theorists, anti-vaxxers, truthers, birthers, all those motherfuckers.
I will play with you, passer!
okay serious question... do you have that level of contempt for everyone who has been educated incorrectly? or is otherwise dumb/stupid/willing to find answers in the wrong places even if they seem right?
They're still a-holes.
Opposite question: do good intentions excuse all harmful behaviors?
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
Someone directs them to bad information or they seek it out themselves to confirm suspicions. They follow that information to other sources saying the same thing. These people are generally paranoid to begin with, which is why the anti-vaxxer community is just a hop skip and a jump from your Truthers or what-have-you. They already think the pharmaceutical companies are just out for a buck and are, well, evil. These people view the world through a very negative filter.
Anti-vaxxers are Believers. Information that doesn't affirm their faith is viewed skeptically, and often considered falsified or part of a cover-up.
Am I an asshole?
Paranoia about "Them" ("The Man", "The Military-Industrial Complex", "Big Pharma", whatever) and conspiracy theories and blatant distrust of science in favor of bullshit and bad logic sticks in my fucking craw for personal reasons.
It fires me up and makes me not polite.
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2010/09/ninth-infant-confirmed-dead-from-whooping-cough-in-state-epidemic.html
9 Infants dead of a completely preventable disease (pertussus, or "whooping cough") in a single year in a single state because of anti-vaxxers.
And these 9 dead infants? They weren't all even the children of these lunatics. They just had the bad fortune to have come in contact with them, however briefly.
In 2010 there were also pertussus outbreaks - with casulties - (which had been completely eliminated in the 1st world thanks to vaccinations prior to the anti-vax nonsense taking hold) in British Columbia, Canada as well as Australia and the UK.
That... doesn't really help your position.
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
do you think that the right response to that belief is to give your children measles?
no?
then i don't care much
your wacky theory ain't hurtin' nobody, so i don't care particularly.
Anti-vaxxers hurt people. They hurt children as a result of their fucking bullshit. No.
I am not okay with that.
And it's the assholes like Alex Jones who make it hard to talk about a lot of issues without being dismissed as another whackjob.
Ok. I'm zippadeedooda on Steam.
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It is possible to be vile in ignorance. Not only are they putting their own children in danger, they are putting every child around them in danger with their ignorance. And the results of their ignorance is not that children may get a sniffle or some shit, kids die from the diseases that they are willfully exposing them to because of their ignorance. Anti-vaxxers are pretty damned vile, IMHO.
http://forums.penny-arcade.com/showthread.php?t=139026
read my adderall thread
especially read it if you've ever taken adderall
I will add you. I am "pseudostar"
The road to hell is paved with good intentions right?
No, I would say good intentions do not, or at least do not when the information showing how wrong your intentions were is readily available and easily interpreted.
I suppose I should talk to a doctor about that and at least get another tetanus or something. God, I hate dealing with my health insurance.
:oops:
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