I know it's not a popular opinion, but I kind of like the serious/gritty tone of the DC movies. The constant parade of jokes and slapstick in the Marvel movies is becoming stale imo.
Why does actual movie making seem to escape them so badly? O_o
They want to copy the MCU's general structure, while also making it all as different as possible so as to maintain a notion of distinct branding.
The MCU is the funny one! The DCU must then be the serious one. The MCU is the bright, colorful one! The DCU must then be the one shot in nothing but earth tones. The MCU is the successful one! The DCU... well, you get the idea.
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I know it's not a popular opinion, but I kind of like the serious/gritty tone of the DC movies. The constant parade of jokes and slapstick in the Marvel movies is becoming stale imo.
I don't get this.
Guardians is the only one that veers towards comedy.
Like Cap 2 has moments of brevity but I wouldn't ever say it has slapstick.
I know it's not a popular opinion, but I kind of like the serious/gritty tone of the DC movies. The constant parade of jokes and slapstick in the Marvel movies is becoming stale imo.
"More serious" is fine, but this more akin to "school shootings are a problem, so we are going to suspend any first-graders who make a finger-gun and say 'bang'".
Maybe this is being taken out of proper context, but an actual rule of "no jokes" is just hilariously misguided.
I mean, just from a general narrative standpoint, humor is an excellent way to manage the tone and tension of your film. The inclusion of humor can make your drama more dramatic by establishing contrast.
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KadokenGiving Ends to my Friends and it Feels StupendousRegistered Userregular
I think it is much more likely that the memo is meant to discourage their employees from doing things like retweeting parodies/jokes about their movies rather than outlawing any levity or humor in the movies themselves.
If there are absolutely no jokes whatsoever in BvS I will eat a shoe...
...And by eating me shoe I mean that I'll sob profusely and while watching reruns of the Brave and the Bold.
I know it's not a popular opinion, but I kind of like the serious/gritty tone of the DC movies. The constant parade of jokes and slapstick in the Marvel movies is becoming stale imo.
I don't get this.
Guardians is the only one that veers towards comedy.
Like Cap 2 has moments of brevity but I wouldn't ever say it has slapstick.
Cap2 (or maybe IM3) is probably the most serious of the MCU films. In general, they don't have slapstick and aren't outright comedies, but most of them are fairly light-hearted. Avengers is basically a big party on-screen, and everyone is clearly having a good time, despite the high stakes. Let's say the MCU films are, as a class, upbeat. There are lots of laugh lines in those films.
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I think that particular one was Begins, but TDK had humorous moments. Even some of the Joker's stuff...well I wouldn't call it funny exactly but there were some moments that evoked a kind of stunned laughter ("I'm gonna make this pencil disappear", "We're holding tryouts", harmless smoke grenade in that one guy's mouth).
Well, the whole point of the Joker was this crazy, manic energy and extremely black humor. You can't do the Joker without humor of some sort.
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Why does actual movie making seem to escape them so badly? O_o
Warner Brother is pretty famous for running its separate divisions as individual companies, to the point that they not only bill each other for services but also aggressively compete internally. That's why you don't have the same seamless integration between the comics side and film side that Marvel has.
Even DC's digital-only comics and print comics are separate divisions. Until recently, they were even headquartered on different coasts.
I know it's not a popular opinion, but I kind of like the serious/gritty tone of the DC movies. The constant parade of jokes and slapstick in the Marvel movies is becoming stale imo.
I don't get this.
Guardians is the only one that veers towards comedy.
Like Cap 2 has moments of brevity but I wouldn't ever say it has slapstick.
Cap2 (or maybe IM3) is probably the most serious of the MCU films. In general, they don't have slapstick and aren't outright comedies, but most of them are fairly light-hearted. Avengers is basically a big party on-screen, and everyone is clearly having a good time, despite the high stakes. Let's say the MCU films are, as a class, upbeat. There are lots of laugh lines in those films.
That's because Marvel understands the idea of contrast. Including light-heartedness and humor means that when serious shit goes down it has a way bigger impact and vice versa.
I know it's not a popular opinion, but I kind of like the serious/gritty tone of the DC movies. The constant parade of jokes and slapstick in the Marvel movies is becoming stale imo.
I don't get this.
Guardians is the only one that veers towards comedy.
Like Cap 2 has moments of brevity but I wouldn't ever say it has slapstick.
Cap2 (or maybe IM3) is probably the most serious of the MCU films. In general, they don't have slapstick and aren't outright comedies, but most of them are fairly light-hearted. Avengers is basically a big party on-screen, and everyone is clearly having a good time, despite the high stakes. Let's say the MCU films are, as a class, upbeat. There are lots of laugh lines in those films.
Well it is a comic book, you'd think that'd be the idea behind a live action comic book.
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I know it's not a popular opinion, but I kind of like the serious/gritty tone of the DC movies. The constant parade of jokes and slapstick in the Marvel movies is becoming stale imo.
I don't get this.
Guardians is the only one that veers towards comedy.
Like Cap 2 has moments of brevity but I wouldn't ever say it has slapstick.
Cap2 (or maybe IM3) is probably the most serious of the MCU films. In general, they don't have slapstick and aren't outright comedies, but most of them are fairly light-hearted. Avengers is basically a big party on-screen, and everyone is clearly having a good time, despite the high stakes. Let's say the MCU films are, as a class, upbeat. There are lots of laugh lines in those films.
Well it is a comic book, you'd think that'd be the idea behind a live action comic book.
DC comics, as a whole, have not been upbeat since the 1980s. Marvel has always had the lighter tone (X-Men excepted) but grim has become the default tone of DC since at least The Watchmen.
I know it's not a popular opinion, but I kind of like the serious/gritty tone of the DC movies. The constant parade of jokes and slapstick in the Marvel movies is becoming stale imo.
I don't get this.
Guardians is the only one that veers towards comedy.
Like Cap 2 has moments of brevity but I wouldn't ever say it has slapstick.
Cap2 (or maybe IM3) is probably the most serious of the MCU films. In general, they don't have slapstick and aren't outright comedies, but most of them are fairly light-hearted. Avengers is basically a big party on-screen, and everyone is clearly having a good time, despite the high stakes. Let's say the MCU films are, as a class, upbeat. There are lots of laugh lines in those films.
I know it's not a popular opinion, but I kind of like the serious/gritty tone of the DC movies. The constant parade of jokes and slapstick in the Marvel movies is becoming stale imo.
I don't get this.
Guardians is the only one that veers towards comedy.
Like Cap 2 has moments of brevity but I wouldn't ever say it has slapstick.
Cap2 (or maybe IM3) is probably the most serious of the MCU films. In general, they don't have slapstick and aren't outright comedies, but most of them are fairly light-hearted. Avengers is basically a big party on-screen, and everyone is clearly having a good time, despite the high stakes. Let's say the MCU films are, as a class, upbeat. There are lots of laugh lines in those films.
That's because Marvel understands the idea of contrast. Including light-heartedness and humor means that when serious shit goes down it has a way bigger impact and vice versa.
A prime example being GotG's opening.
now that I think about I should've had tonal whiplash it was such a good scene it really didn't matter.
I posted this in the SE thread, but the difference between Marvel and DC is that Marvel gets that people use humor as a coping mechanism; they play it up in their stories and it winds up being funny and humanizing. Thus they can deal with grim subject matter while remaining relatively light.
Meanwhile DC seems to want its stories to all be The Dark Knight; they can still be good or uplifting stories, but they always have to be emotionally exhausting. The problem with that approach is that when it doesn't work it really doesn't work and you get Man of Steel, a film where you ultimately don't really find anything worth caring about.
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That's true.
Even in Green Lantern, which I didn't think was as bad as others thought (it was just really mediocre) there wasn't that much humor, or coping humor. Reynolds uses humor in that more cynical way. Oh this stupid lantern thingie, I'm totes cooler than this even though I'll make a hot wheel ramp for a car.
DC comics, as a whole, have not been upbeat since the 1980s. Marvel has always had the lighter tone (X-Men excepted) but grim has become the default tone of DC since at least The Watchmen.
That's the sad thing. When a generally funny/silly hero like Booster Gold has a serious moment, you REALLY feel it.
Coulson was almost entirely used as a friendly/joking character and then when they offed him, it was like being punched in the nuts.
Meanwhile in DC land, NO ONE is sad that Superman's jerk dad died. Despite them forbidding jokes and everything!
The Superman Animated Series did a much better job of fleshing out Krypton and developing the characters than MoS in about the same amount of time. It was really sad when Krypton exploded in Superman: TAS. No one cared when Krypton exploded in MoS, not even the Kryptonians.
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It's kinda bad for DC at this point that even if it's just a rumor, DC's direction makes this rumor too believable.
I know it's not a popular opinion, but I kind of like the serious/gritty tone of the DC movies. The constant parade of jokes and slapstick in the Marvel movies is becoming stale imo.
I don't get this.
Guardians is the only one that veers towards comedy.
Like Cap 2 has moments of brevity but I wouldn't ever say it has slapstick.
Cap2 (or maybe IM3) is probably the most serious of the MCU films. In general, they don't have slapstick and aren't outright comedies, but most of them are fairly light-hearted. Avengers is basically a big party on-screen, and everyone is clearly having a good time, despite the high stakes. Let's say the MCU films are, as a class, upbeat. There are lots of laugh lines in those films.
Well it is a comic book, you'd think that'd be the idea behind a live action comic book.
DC comics, as a whole, have not been upbeat since the 1980s. Marvel has always had the lighter tone (X-Men excepted) but grim has become the default tone of DC since at least The Watchmen. Swamp Thing
It's kinda bad for DC at this point that even if it's just a rumor, DC's direction makes this rumor too believable.
... It is a rumor, right?
what rumour are we talking about?
No jokes in future DC movies.
Last week was about the fifth time I've heard that there is a mandate at Warner Bros. regarding any of the DC superhero films in development, and it's very simple and direct and to the point.
"No jokes."
It would seem like a crazy rule to set for an entire series of films. How can you know what the tone is for every story you'll be telling in a series before you've even started telling it? The thing is, DC has taken a few stabs at establishing this larger universe on film, and they've gotten smacked down for everything that hasn't had Batman in it. "Man Of Steel" made money, and I'm certainly not the only person to like the film. I may be one of its more ardent defenders, but I'm not alone. I think you'd have a far harder time finding someone to defend "Green Lantern," the studio's other big attempt at launching one of the core Justice League characters with a film franchise of his own.
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Look at the reaction to Chris Pratt now that he's made the jump to a lead in the biggest film of the summer. He's the guy studios dream of when they dream of new young movie stars. A sense of humor seems like an essential club to have in the golf bag, right?
Not according to Warner/DC. Not after "Green Lantern."
Now, to be fair, no one has directly connected those dots for me. But something has caused this shift in the overall editorial voice of the DC superhero movies. There's got to be a point behind an edict as broad and as specific as that.
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But if "No Jokes" is a reaction to "Green Lantern," an edict that comes from a desire to simply do things differently from Marvel, it could really paint DC's movies into a corner, and I would imagine that it's giving some filmmakers pause in considering whether or not they'd want to make a DC movie.
While I thought there were some gentle pokes at genre fans in "Man Of Steel," there's nothing in that film that I'd call a joke. There were set-ups and punch-lines in the Nolan Batman films, but I wouldn't really describe those movies as "funny" in any significant way. "Green Lantern" is the one film where they really gave a character permission to talk shit in the Tony Stark manner, fast and funny and self-aware, and where audiences seemed to love it when Robert Downey Jr. did it, they did not seem as smitten with Reynolds.
and i here i thought the 'no jokes' thing was just presumed because that's how DC movies have been lately. didn't realise there as wan actual mandate that they be completely devoid of humour. that really is incredibly short sighted and sad.
The Superman Animated Series did a much better job of fleshing out Krypton and developing the characters than MoS in about the same amount of time. It was really sad when Krypton exploded in Superman: TAS. No one cared when Krypton exploded in MoS, not even the Kryptonians.
Honestly, I disagree. The Krypton part was the most compelling story in the movie for me and I thought it made Zod a believable villain. They just didn't do a good job of making us realise why Earth made Superman a Super Man.
While I thought there were some gentle pokes at genre fans in "Man Of Steel," there's nothing in that film that I'd call a joke. There were set-ups and punch-lines in the Nolan Batman films, but I wouldn't really describe those movies as "funny" in any significant way. "Green Lantern" is the one film where they really gave a character permission to talk shit in the Tony Stark manner, fast and funny and self-aware, and where audiences seemed to love it when Robert Downey Jr. did it, they did not seem as smitten with Reynolds.
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edit: Is there any reason Seth Rogan would have insight into the DC-related executive decisions at WB?
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To be fair, Rogan might have some sort of industry knowledge that makes the story sound highly implausible, even if he doesn't have SOOPER SECRET insider contacts.
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DCAU's Batman is too upbeat for DC regular universe.
I stand by my statement.
They want to copy the MCU's general structure, while also making it all as different as possible so as to maintain a notion of distinct branding.
The MCU is the funny one! The DCU must then be the serious one. The MCU is the bright, colorful one! The DCU must then be the one shot in nothing but earth tones. The MCU is the successful one! The DCU... well, you get the idea.
I don't get this.
Guardians is the only one that veers towards comedy.
Like Cap 2 has moments of brevity but I wouldn't ever say it has slapstick.
"More serious" is fine, but this more akin to "school shootings are a problem, so we are going to suspend any first-graders who make a finger-gun and say 'bang'".
Maybe this is being taken out of proper context, but an actual rule of "no jokes" is just hilariously misguided.
I mean, just from a general narrative standpoint, humor is an excellent way to manage the tone and tension of your film. The inclusion of humor can make your drama more dramatic by establishing contrast.
HERESY!
If there are absolutely no jokes whatsoever in BvS I will eat a shoe...
...And by eating me shoe I mean that I'll sob profusely and while watching reruns of the Brave and the Bold.
Cap2 (or maybe IM3) is probably the most serious of the MCU films. In general, they don't have slapstick and aren't outright comedies, but most of them are fairly light-hearted. Avengers is basically a big party on-screen, and everyone is clearly having a good time, despite the high stakes. Let's say the MCU films are, as a class, upbeat. There are lots of laugh lines in those films.
Warner Brother is pretty famous for running its separate divisions as individual companies, to the point that they not only bill each other for services but also aggressively compete internally. That's why you don't have the same seamless integration between the comics side and film side that Marvel has.
Even DC's digital-only comics and print comics are separate divisions. Until recently, they were even headquartered on different coasts.
That's because Marvel understands the idea of contrast. Including light-heartedness and humor means that when serious shit goes down it has a way bigger impact and vice versa.
Well it is a comic book, you'd think that'd be the idea behind a live action comic book.
DC comics, as a whole, have not been upbeat since the 1980s. Marvel has always had the lighter tone (X-Men excepted) but grim has become the default tone of DC since at least The Watchmen.
annnd now you've reminded me of the stupid guy riding shotgun during the Dark Knight's truck chase. I fucking hate him.
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now that I think about I should've had tonal whiplash it was such a good scene it really didn't matter.
Meanwhile DC seems to want its stories to all be The Dark Knight; they can still be good or uplifting stories, but they always have to be emotionally exhausting. The problem with that approach is that when it doesn't work it really doesn't work and you get Man of Steel, a film where you ultimately don't really find anything worth caring about.
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Even in Green Lantern, which I didn't think was as bad as others thought (it was just really mediocre) there wasn't that much humor, or coping humor. Reynolds uses humor in that more cynical way. Oh this stupid lantern thingie, I'm totes cooler than this even though I'll make a hot wheel ramp for a car.
That's the sad thing. When a generally funny/silly hero like Booster Gold has a serious moment, you REALLY feel it.
Coulson was almost entirely used as a friendly/joking character and then when they offed him, it was like being punched in the nuts.
Meanwhile in DC land, NO ONE is sad that Superman's jerk dad died. Despite them forbidding jokes and everything!
... It is a rumor, right?
Fixed that for you.
what rumour are we talking about?
No jokes in future DC movies.
Honestly, I disagree. The Krypton part was the most compelling story in the movie for me and I thought it made Zod a believable villain. They just didn't do a good job of making us realise why Earth made Superman a Super Man.
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