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  • ChanusChanus Harbinger of the Spicy Rooster Apocalypse The Flames of a Thousand Collapsed StarsRegistered User regular
    nostalgia brought disco back in the 90s so

    Allegedly a voice of reason.
  • BogartBogart Streetwise Hercules Registered User, Moderator Mod Emeritus
    Hakkekage wrote: »
    Plus they have said that the FF7 remake will have gameplay improvements and updated conventions to make it more modern

    sometimes I play an old game and just cannot get over the older style of pacing, or menu sifting, or leveling

    We've made huge improvements to UI in games over the past 20 years and it's hard to go back to non-user friendly menus

    Random battles, appalling writing, horribly confused plotting, endless ... dialogue. It needs a flamethrower taken to it.

    And I say this as someone who loves that game. The original trailer still gives me goosebumps.

  • HerrCronHerrCron It that wickedly supports taxation Registered User regular
    Tav wrote: »
    HerrCron wrote: »
    Tav wrote: »
    I do not get people being hyped for a final fantasy 7 remake

    Like what is the point

    Well, I've never played it, so I might check it out when it's eventually released.
    It might be nice to see what all the fuss is about without having to put up with the mess that is early 3D Playstation graphics.

    The story goes on for like a thousand hours and makes no fuggin sense but it looked pretty in 1997

    It's a JRPG.
    I don't expect it to make any goddamn sense, in the slightest.
    I also expect a few other terrible things, and I hope to be disappointed at least once.

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  • RMS OceanicRMS Oceanic Registered User regular
    Shivahn wrote: »
    I want to replay FFVII to see if I'm misremembering it, but in my head the story was largely incoherent and filled with stuff that 12 year old me thought was awesome which in retrospect... not so much.

    Some of the music was fkin rad though.

    If it's the part I'm thinking of, the reason the story comes off as incoherent is the ingame explanation is at an optional detour you have no reason to go to otherwise.

  • CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    spool32 wrote: »
    coincidentally i just was listening to a podcast where john hodgeman came on to argue that nostalgia is a toxic and useless emotion, or at best a soothing drug, and like all drugs should be used with moderation

    Ahh, yes. I remember when when the simple act of thinking back fondly on days of yore wasn't a political act that needed to be rejected in service to the agenda of progress.

    Those were the days, man. Things were better back then.

    Nostalgia for things that never were is the best nostalgia.

    Good ol' Merrie Olde England.

  • STATE OF THE ART ROBOTSTATE OF THE ART ROBOT Registered User regular
    One of my fave Metalocalypse moments was the episode where Dr.Rockso relapses and ends with him going insane, doing massive amounts of cocaine and shouting I. Do. Cocaine!

  • HakkekageHakkekage Space Whore Academy summa cum laudeRegistered User regular
    Bogart wrote: »
    Hakkekage wrote: »
    Plus they have said that the FF7 remake will have gameplay improvements and updated conventions to make it more modern

    sometimes I play an old game and just cannot get over the older style of pacing, or menu sifting, or leveling

    We've made huge improvements to UI in games over the past 20 years and it's hard to go back to non-user friendly menus

    Random battles, appalling writing, horribly confused plotting, endless ... dialogue. It needs a flamethrower taken to it.

    And I say this as someone who loves that game. The original trailer still gives me goosebumps.

    Well, I don't think we're going to see less of the confused plotting and endless dialogue, it is still a JRPG after all

    As for the writing, I think there were a lot of issues with the English translation in 1995 that might be getting a revisit

    AND. Cloud is still going to cross-dress

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  • GooeyGooey (\/)┌¶─¶┐(\/) pinch pinchRegistered User regular
    Chanus wrote: »
    nostalgia brought disco back in the 90s so

    also bell bottoms and tie dye

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  • Kid PresentableKid Presentable Registered User regular
    Chanus wrote: »
    apparently trump is going to be in town on friday

    at the colosseum which is a strange venue choice as no one has gone there for like 10 years

    He's going to fight a lion.

  • BogartBogart Streetwise Hercules Registered User, Moderator Mod Emeritus
    I think that the fact it sits in the category of JRPG is not an excuse for a terrible, confusing story.

    I sound like a Debbie Downer about this, which is annoying. Maybe FFXV will be super cool. I will probably buy it and see.

  • ShivahnShivahn Unaware of her barrel shifter privilege Western coastal temptressRegistered User, Moderator mod
    Hakkekage wrote: »
    Bogart wrote: »
    Hakkekage wrote: »
    Plus they have said that the FF7 remake will have gameplay improvements and updated conventions to make it more modern

    sometimes I play an old game and just cannot get over the older style of pacing, or menu sifting, or leveling

    We've made huge improvements to UI in games over the past 20 years and it's hard to go back to non-user friendly menus

    Random battles, appalling writing, horribly confused plotting, endless ... dialogue. It needs a flamethrower taken to it.

    And I say this as someone who loves that game. The original trailer still gives me goosebumps.

    Well, I don't think we're going to see less of the confused plotting and endless dialogue, it is still a JRPG after all

    As for the writing, I think there were a lot of issues with the English translation in 1995 that might be getting a revisit

    AND. Cloud is still going to cross-dress

    JRPGs can have plots that are weird as shit, but I don't think they're always as confused as FFVII was.

  • ChanusChanus Harbinger of the Spicy Rooster Apocalypse The Flames of a Thousand Collapsed StarsRegistered User regular
    Chanus wrote: »
    apparently trump is going to be in town on friday

    at the colosseum which is a strange venue choice as no one has gone there for like 10 years

    He's going to fight a lion.

    he's going to fight the best lion. it's going to be so fight. he's going to make lion great again.

    Allegedly a voice of reason.
  • HakkekageHakkekage Space Whore Academy summa cum laudeRegistered User regular

    I don't know who this guy is, but it already seems unaffordable

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  • SleepSleep Registered User regular
    edited June 2016
    Tav wrote: »
    I totally get nostalgia but like

    You could have spent most of the last like 20 years playing FF7 on a variety of systems

    why be excited about that?

    1 die hard fans have been requesting it for a long time. I'm happy for those fans, and it is cool to see a company actually listening to a fanbase like that.

    2 I barely played final fantasy 7 (my childhood RPG of choice is Lunar Silver Star Story Complete) so this rerelease is a chance for me to give the game another go, and maybe finish it without having to play through terrible psx graphics.

    I mean I'm excited about it, but not necessarily enough that I'm buying a ps4 for it, but it could be the biggest push towards getting one.

    Sleep on
  • NecoNeco Worthless Garbage Registered User regular
    Ugh our internet went out last night and it is STILL down!

    *goes to restart modem*

    *notices an Xfinity logo*

    N...n-no...NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

  • Grape ApeGrape Ape Registered User regular
    Topically, NPR had a really good piece on Muhammad Ali, and how his legacy has already been co-opted, citing Bob Costas quip during the '96 Olympics that Ali was receiving a gold medal to replace the one that he 'lost'
    It explored how this happens to all radical black activists after the fact. Was good.

  • TavTav Irish Minister for DefenceRegistered User regular
    I guess as well I don't really see the point of updating it?

    Surely taking out elements, even shitty ones, is going to negatively impact the nostalgic value or something like that?

  • zepherinzepherin Russian warship, go fuck yourself Registered User regular
    HOLY SHIT!

    The Sr. PM just threw a shit fit and quit.

    Spongebobjawdrop.gif

  • HakkekageHakkekage Space Whore Academy summa cum laudeRegistered User regular
    Of all the JRPGs i've played the only one that wasn't at least a bit confusing in terms of plot is Chrono Trigger

    but that's because Chrono Trigger is a transcendent game and exists...out of time

    :cool:

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  • Shazkar ShadowstormShazkar Shadowstorm Registered User regular
    i dont want to work

    !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    poo
  • ChanusChanus Harbinger of the Spicy Rooster Apocalypse The Flames of a Thousand Collapsed StarsRegistered User regular
    Tav wrote: »
    I guess as well I don't really see the point of updating it?

    Surely taking out elements, even shitty ones, is going to negatively impact the nostalgic value or something like that?

    that's the thing with these remake things

    if you keep it the same and just update the graphics, it's going to be a horribly dated game and you'll realize how much you've gotten used to how much better games are now

    if you change it to "improve" it, everyone gets upset because you aren't being true to the original

    it's pretty much a bad deal any way you slice it

    Allegedly a voice of reason.
  • AtomikaAtomika Live fast and get fucked or whatever Registered User regular
    It does seem like "Mt Doom" was a placeholder until he figured out a cool elvish name but then accidentally sent the manuscript to the publisher before he changed it

  • bowenbowen Sup? Registered User regular
    zepherin wrote: »
    HOLY SHIT!

    The Sr. PM just threw a shit fit and quit.

    Spongebobjawdrop.gif

    justified meltdowns are great though

    not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
  • RMS OceanicRMS Oceanic Registered User regular
    zepherin wrote: »
    HOLY SHIT!

    The Sr. PM just threw a shit fit and quit.

    Spongebobjawdrop.gif

    deets

  • HerrCronHerrCron It that wickedly supports taxation Registered User regular
    Hakkekage wrote: »
    Of all the JRPGs i've played the only one that wasn't at least a bit confusing in terms of plot is Chrono Trigger

    but that's because Chrono Trigger is a transcendent game and exists...out of time

    :cool:

    it's a damning indictment of the hot mess that is JRPG's that the one that features time travel as a central part of the story is the one that is the most comprehensible.

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  • ChanusChanus Harbinger of the Spicy Rooster Apocalypse The Flames of a Thousand Collapsed StarsRegistered User regular
    Atomika wrote: »
    It does seem like "Mt Doom" was a placeholder until he figured out a cool elvish name but then accidentally sent the manuscript to the publisher before he changed it

    Mt Magic Robot

    @Podly

    Allegedly a voice of reason.
  • AtomikaAtomika Live fast and get fucked or whatever Registered User regular
    Hakkekage wrote: »
    Atomika wrote: »
    Hakkekage wrote: »
    Haters to my DICK

    hakkes we've talked about this

    Everyone has a metaphorical dick atomika what else am I supposed to do to aggressively dominate everyone else, Haters to my CLIT? it doesn't work!

    let me tell you about a little fuzzy animal called the hyena . . . .

  • NecoNeco Worthless Garbage Registered User regular
    FF7 is good, you weirdos.

    Its just far from the best, and yes, 6 would have been a better choice.

  • Grape ApeGrape Ape Registered User regular
    Atomika wrote: »
    It does seem like "Mt Doom" was a placeholder until he figured out a cool elvish name but then accidentally sent the manuscript to the publisher before he changed it

    Mt Magic Robot

  • spool32spool32 Contrary Library Registered User regular
    Atomika wrote: »
    It does seem like "Mt Doom" was a placeholder until he figured out a cool elvish name but then accidentally sent the manuscript to the publisher before he changed it

    @Podly

  • ChanusChanus Harbinger of the Spicy Rooster Apocalypse The Flames of a Thousand Collapsed StarsRegistered User regular
    i see we are all of the same mind here

    Allegedly a voice of reason.
  • Grape ApeGrape Ape Registered User regular
  • CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    Tav wrote: »
    I guess as well I don't really see the point of updating it?

    Surely taking out elements, even shitty ones, is going to negatively impact the nostalgic value or something like that?
    It depends on if the goal to appeal to nostalgia or to update it in a way that appeals to a new generation that never played the original?

    Though even in the former, the updates usually strive to make it like it is remembered rather than how it was. PS1 games were usually 320x240. I don't think most people remember them looking as bad as they actually did.

  • wanderingwandering Russia state-affiliated media Registered User regular
    Bogart wrote: »
    wandering wrote: »
    Meanwhile I think Miyazaki said nostalgia is the basis of all good art

    That seems like a bold statement.
    I can't find the quote, I'm prolly mangling it, but I did find this which I thought was interesting:

    rB61eiT.jpg?1

  • ShivahnShivahn Unaware of her barrel shifter privilege Western coastal temptressRegistered User, Moderator mod
    HerrCron wrote: »
    Hakkekage wrote: »
    Of all the JRPGs i've played the only one that wasn't at least a bit confusing in terms of plot is Chrono Trigger

    but that's because Chrono Trigger is a transcendent game and exists...out of time

    :cool:

    it's a damning indictment of the hot mess that is JRPG's that the one that features time travel as a central part of the story is the one that is the most comprehensible.

    The problem with JRPGs is often the random twists the story takes. In Chrono Trigger, there is a moment when your goal becomes clear, and everything else is in service to that. In other games, like FFVI, there are some twists following your goal, but it is always clear at the moment.

    Contrastingly, in games like the Tales series (which I love), the goal changes a trillion times. In Tales of Symphonia, you start out taking your friend on a journey, then you kill an angel, then you are betrayed, then you are sent to a new world knowing nothing, then you try to cure your now angel-friend, then some other stuff happens - I can't remember what - then you start fighting some bros, then it turns out a heroic figure isn't dead, then you go to space for a bit, then you fight the guy that betrayed you again, then you fight the hero who is also an angel.

    Your actual main goal changes, and you're always doing adjacent stuff that leads you towards it, but the main villain isn't revealed until later, and there are tons of distractions.

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